Thursday 1st Nov '12
Liked the episode today ... some semblance of restoring the characters to their original avatars ... although still not completely. Today was all about Arav ... the little lost boy, who wants a father desperately.
I liked that Arnav picked up on Khushi's jalebi making as a sign of her being upset ... but he seemed to get convinced too easily that she was okay.
I would be happier if Khushi's focus shifted from suspecting Arnav as being Arav's dad, especially after today's Arhi-Sheetal scene, when Arnav showed no discomfort about talking to Sheetal about Arav with her ... and shifted to wondering who Arav's dad could be, and why the similarities ... her version of atoot vishwas beginning to develop, and her focus shifting to Arav. But then what happens about her own insecurities?
Or will the dhamaka happen just as Khushi decides in her mind that she has been wrong all along in her thinking? Dhamaka being that Arav is indeed Arnav's son.
Sheetal and her motives remain mysterious ... she seems above board and genuinely nice ... but on the other hand, she raises the topic of Arav's Parent Conference in the living room with the entire family around, when she knows it's a sensitive topic for Arav ... and her exchange with Khushi about not wanting to snatch other people's happiness at the cost of her own was suspicious ...
She knows that Khushi suspects Arnav of being Arav's father -
If Sheetal is all pure white then that was her way of telling Khushi she is not going to bring out Arav's parentage ... i.e Arnav is the father.
If Sheetal is negative, she's telling Khushi that she's not going to bring out Arav's parentage regardless of her own suffering and that of Arav's. The one being reassurance, the other is emotional blackmail.
Liked the Khushi-Arav scene ... pure Khushi ... she can't see any one upset, least of all a child. And the way she gets Arav out of his sullen mood by making him 'help' her with the gardening ... tactful, thoughtful and very sweet.
Liked the two second call Arnav makes to Khushi to check on Arav.
Felt for Sheetal, the difficulties of a single mom, who's hidden the truth about her son's dad all his life, now finds herself unable to tell him the truth for whatever reasons ... the child growing to an age when he needs his father ... but the father is for whatever reason unavailable ... not a great situation to be in.
Liked the fact that Arshi went together to talk to Sheetal ...behaving like a couple after an aeon!
Sheetal seemed all white and pure as the driven snow in her motives today ... but if she really is that white, then either Arnav is Arav's dad, or Sheetal firmly believes that he is.
Why does Arav do his homework and Sheetal check his bag and schedule in the living room? They have a guest room, don't they?
Sceptical Dia - to raise the question of Arav's dad in front of the family, of course ... so that someone among the unquestioning and unbelievably discreet and sensitive Raizadas will finally ask her about Arav's dad. And so that Arav will throw a tantrum to demonstrate how much he misses having a father. And so that Arshi (or anyone in the family)will urge Sheetal to tell Arav about his dad, so that Sheetal can refuse with that martyr look on her face, speaking about snatching someone else's happiness.
Why does Sheetal get Arav ready for school in the living room? Again, they have a guest room.
Sceptical Dia - so that Arav can throw his tantrum in front of the family again and the entire family knows that Arav is planning to meet his dad today, at XYZ cafe, so that when he goes missing from school, Arnav will rush there to find him. Will Arav then mistake him for his dad? Don't quite know how that will help.
*edited*
The episode and Thoughts.
Khushi-Arav ... Khushi troubled by the photographs, that Sheetal still hasn't got over Arnav, now sees that Arav has fallen head over heels into hero worship of Arnav.
ArShi ... After aeons, a decent Arshi scene ... Arnav finally deciphered from his wife's jalebis that she's still troubled about something. And of course she says "nothing." And of course like all clueless husbands, he doesn't probe further. She maroes a jibe about how he had fun winning the BB match, so he deduces, quite incorrectly! that's what his wife is annoyed about ... he changes the subject to Arav and how he likes the kid, he doesn't throw tantrums (he spoke too soon!) and will take a day off to teach him some basketball ... he can train him a little before Arav leaves ...
Arnav completely easy with the fact that Arav will leave soon, he's not a permanent fixture in their lives.
And Khushi gets upset all over again at the AA bonding. And Arnav sees she's not over her upset yet.
Is Sheetal really Arav's mom? She is very fond of Arav, no doubt about that, and he of her. But she really doesn't seem to have a clue as to how to coax and manage Arav when he's being difficult ... apart from the fact that she doesn't seem to have taught him basic manners either - ref his What The's and lack of Please and Thank you's.
When Arav wanted to have jalebis, all Sheetal said was "no, you can't - you don't eat sweets." And it was Arnav who had to give him a story about how basketball players don't eat sweets, they eat healthy food, to coax the child into listening. Why has Sheetal not bothered to sit the kid down and explain to him about his illness and the change it will bring for him? After all, this is a lifestyle change for the child, not a one day thing, that he can't have sweets.
When Arav throws his tantrum in front of the entire Raizada family, Sheetal doesn't seem to have a clue how to deal with him.
First of all, she brought up a sensitive subject in public, that itself was a strange thing to do. Arav has obviously talked about wanting his father earlier, if Sheetal promised to make them meet in Delhi. Then she was completely unprepared to deal with Arav's tantrum. Instead of dealing with his anger and fears gently and lovingly, she just laid down the law - 'you have only me, no father. That's it.' And when he throws the tantrum and runs off, obviously upset, Sheetal sits down with her own rona-dhona, rather than running after an upset child. And it's left to Khushi to deal with Arav and bring him out of his bad mood and upset by involving him in something he loves.
All Sheetal does is bring him colors.
Is she really his mom? Or is she just a mom going the wrong way in dealing with her child? Parenting doesn't come with manuals, and Sheetal is alone, with no experienced mom as friend to guide her. Arnav and Khushi have both suffered the loss of parents, so they are sensitive to a child's needs, more so than Sheetal appears to be. And much better at handling him.
But then again, they're outsiders, with less emotional entanglement - that makes for a calmer approach.
Gardening by the poolside ... Loved the way Khushi brings Arav out of his upset mood, gently and tactfully, giving him the opportunity to lord it over her with his superior knowledge, and feel good about himself. And then leaves his mother to deal with the real problem. Also liked the way Nani and Anjali realise what Khushi is up to ... and their understanding smiles at Khushi and her compulsive habit of spreading smiles.
Again Sheetal doesn't give Arav any satisfactory answers. And it's sad to see the child so keen to meet his father. Did Sheetal lie to him deliberately when she said she'd make them meet? That is really not nice.
Arnav Khushi confronting Sheetal. I always felt that Arnav should be the one to talk to Sheetal, after all he's her college friend, and the closest among the Raizadas, relatively speaking. From the rest it would be interference, but from him, no. She's in his house because she's his friend, her kid is getting lots of love and affection from his family. It was appropriate that he spoke to her.
I loved it even more that both Arshi talked ... as a unit. Showing Sheetal that they function together, they have discussed this before they came to talk to her ... Sheetal has already overheard Arnav tell Khushi firmly that Arav is not his child, and cannot be.
Arnav's pov - he is very definite he is not Arav's dad. There is not even a shadow of doubt in his mind. His concern for Arav is for the son of an old friend, and for a child he has come to like and be fond of.
Khushi's insecurities are not gone, but she seems to be reaching a calmer way of dealing with them (so hopefully the violent negative reactions against the comedy have reached the cv's) ... her doubts are still there, but she agrees with Arnav that Arav needs to know his dad ... regardless of who he is.
That last was said after a pause, and with a new determination ... Khushi is ready to handle the fallout if the worst happens.
Sheetal gives her a meaningful look at that ...
If Sheetal felt that Khushi's doubts had been laid to rest by Arnav's declaration, and Khushi was ready to trust Arnav on this one, as evidenced by Arnav's talk about 'We want to talk to you about this ' ... and 'We think you should tell Arnav ... ...' then she just got evidence that they hadn't completely. So she has a window of opportunity to play with.
And that's when she starts her sob story about how much Arav misses his father, but how she, the eternal martyr, tried to be his mom and dad both, but never could ... and how Arav will be more upset when he knows who his dad is. And how how if she tells Arav it will affect many other lives, and for her own happiness, she can't spoil the lives of others.
Hellooo???? Your own happiness/ I thought they were talking about Arav and Arav's happiness here ... where did Sheetal's happiness come into the picture?
And that was a very meaningful look she threw at Khushi ... a 'you know what I'm talking about' look.
So Khushi's doubts are fired up again.
And again set to rest next morning ... because apparently Arav's sunny mood is because his mom has promised he will meet his dad today.
And when Arav is happy, he's all kid ... the annoying mini ASR is gone, he remembers his manners and says Please and Thank you, remembers to call adults by their titles, and talk politely ... he's a damn cute kid!
And the actor is really good too! Much better than his mother!
And Khushi, sharp as usual, asks Arav why the sudden change in mood and behaviour?
Because he's got what he wants ... he's in a great mood.
Mom proceeds to dress him for school in the middle of the living room ... and Arav protests, he doesn't want to go to school. He's going to meet his dad, as she promised.
And Khushi is happy - if Sheetal is going to introduce him to his dad, it means Arnav is not the dad.
So when Arav goes missing, the entire family will know he's gone to find his dad.
Really don't understand how they're taking this and where ... even if family or Khushi sees Arnav with Arav, how will they automatically assume that Arnav is his dad after all? Hope the cv's know where they're going with this.
Liked the episode today ... some semblance of restoring the characters to their original avatars ... although still not completely. Today was all about Arav ... the little lost boy, who wants a father desperately.
I liked that Arnav picked up on Khushi's jalebi making as a sign of her being upset ... but he seemed to get convinced too easily that she was okay.
I would be happier if Khushi's focus shifted from suspecting Arnav as being Arav's dad, especially after today's Arhi-Sheetal scene, when Arnav showed no discomfort about talking to Sheetal about Arav with her ... and shifted to wondering who Arav's dad could be, and why the similarities ... her version of atoot vishwas beginning to develop, and her focus shifting to Arav. But then what happens about her own insecurities?
Or will the dhamaka happen just as Khushi decides in her mind that she has been wrong all along in her thinking? Dhamaka being that Arav is indeed Arnav's son.
Sheetal and her motives remain mysterious ... she seems above board and genuinely nice ... but on the other hand, she raises the topic of Arav's Parent Conference in the living room with the entire family around, when she knows it's a sensitive topic for Arav ... and her exchange with Khushi about not wanting to snatch other people's happiness at the cost of her own was suspicious ...
She knows that Khushi suspects Arnav of being Arav's father -
If Sheetal is all pure white then that was her way of telling Khushi she is not going to bring out Arav's parentage ... i.e Arnav is the father.
If Sheetal is negative, she's telling Khushi that she's not going to bring out Arav's parentage regardless of her own suffering and that of Arav's. The one being reassurance, the other is emotional blackmail.
Liked the Khushi-Arav scene ... pure Khushi ... she can't see any one upset, least of all a child. And the way she gets Arav out of his sullen mood by making him 'help' her with the gardening ... tactful, thoughtful and very sweet.
Liked the two second call Arnav makes to Khushi to check on Arav.
Felt for Sheetal, the difficulties of a single mom, who's hidden the truth about her son's dad all his life, now finds herself unable to tell him the truth for whatever reasons ... the child growing to an age when he needs his father ... but the father is for whatever reason unavailable ... not a great situation to be in.
Liked the fact that Arshi went together to talk to Sheetal ...behaving like a couple after an aeon!
Sheetal seemed all white and pure as the driven snow in her motives today ... but if she really is that white, then either Arnav is Arav's dad, or Sheetal firmly believes that he is.
Why does Arav do his homework and Sheetal check his bag and schedule in the living room? They have a guest room, don't they?
Sceptical Dia - to raise the question of Arav's dad in front of the family, of course ... so that someone among the unquestioning and unbelievably discreet and sensitive Raizadas will finally ask her about Arav's dad. And so that Arav will throw a tantrum to demonstrate how much he misses having a father. And so that Arshi (or anyone in the family)will urge Sheetal to tell Arav about his dad, so that Sheetal can refuse with that martyr look on her face, speaking about snatching someone else's happiness.
Why does Sheetal get Arav ready for school in the living room? Again, they have a guest room.
Sceptical Dia - so that Arav can throw his tantrum in front of the family again and the entire family knows that Arav is planning to meet his dad today, at XYZ cafe, so that when he goes missing from school, Arnav will rush there to find him. Will Arav then mistake him for his dad? Don't quite know how that will help.
*edited*
The episode and Thoughts.
Khushi-Arav ... Khushi troubled by the photographs, that Sheetal still hasn't got over Arnav, now sees that Arav has fallen head over heels into hero worship of Arnav.
ArShi ... After aeons, a decent Arshi scene ... Arnav finally deciphered from his wife's jalebis that she's still troubled about something. And of course she says "nothing." And of course like all clueless husbands, he doesn't probe further. She maroes a jibe about how he had fun winning the BB match, so he deduces, quite incorrectly! that's what his wife is annoyed about ... he changes the subject to Arav and how he likes the kid, he doesn't throw tantrums (he spoke too soon!) and will take a day off to teach him some basketball ... he can train him a little before Arav leaves ...
Arnav completely easy with the fact that Arav will leave soon, he's not a permanent fixture in their lives.
And Khushi gets upset all over again at the AA bonding. And Arnav sees she's not over her upset yet.
Is Sheetal really Arav's mom? She is very fond of Arav, no doubt about that, and he of her. But she really doesn't seem to have a clue as to how to coax and manage Arav when he's being difficult ... apart from the fact that she doesn't seem to have taught him basic manners either - ref his What The's and lack of Please and Thank you's.
When Arav wanted to have jalebis, all Sheetal said was "no, you can't - you don't eat sweets." And it was Arnav who had to give him a story about how basketball players don't eat sweets, they eat healthy food, to coax the child into listening. Why has Sheetal not bothered to sit the kid down and explain to him about his illness and the change it will bring for him? After all, this is a lifestyle change for the child, not a one day thing, that he can't have sweets.
When Arav throws his tantrum in front of the entire Raizada family, Sheetal doesn't seem to have a clue how to deal with him.
First of all, she brought up a sensitive subject in public, that itself was a strange thing to do. Arav has obviously talked about wanting his father earlier, if Sheetal promised to make them meet in Delhi. Then she was completely unprepared to deal with Arav's tantrum. Instead of dealing with his anger and fears gently and lovingly, she just laid down the law - 'you have only me, no father. That's it.' And when he throws the tantrum and runs off, obviously upset, Sheetal sits down with her own rona-dhona, rather than running after an upset child. And it's left to Khushi to deal with Arav and bring him out of his bad mood and upset by involving him in something he loves.
All Sheetal does is bring him colors.
Is she really his mom? Or is she just a mom going the wrong way in dealing with her child? Parenting doesn't come with manuals, and Sheetal is alone, with no experienced mom as friend to guide her. Arnav and Khushi have both suffered the loss of parents, so they are sensitive to a child's needs, more so than Sheetal appears to be. And much better at handling him.
But then again, they're outsiders, with less emotional entanglement - that makes for a calmer approach.
Gardening by the poolside ... Loved the way Khushi brings Arav out of his upset mood, gently and tactfully, giving him the opportunity to lord it over her with his superior knowledge, and feel good about himself. And then leaves his mother to deal with the real problem. Also liked the way Nani and Anjali realise what Khushi is up to ... and their understanding smiles at Khushi and her compulsive habit of spreading smiles.
Again Sheetal doesn't give Arav any satisfactory answers. And it's sad to see the child so keen to meet his father. Did Sheetal lie to him deliberately when she said she'd make them meet? That is really not nice.
Arnav Khushi confronting Sheetal. I always felt that Arnav should be the one to talk to Sheetal, after all he's her college friend, and the closest among the Raizadas, relatively speaking. From the rest it would be interference, but from him, no. She's in his house because she's his friend, her kid is getting lots of love and affection from his family. It was appropriate that he spoke to her.
I loved it even more that both Arshi talked ... as a unit. Showing Sheetal that they function together, they have discussed this before they came to talk to her ... Sheetal has already overheard Arnav tell Khushi firmly that Arav is not his child, and cannot be.
Arnav's pov - he is very definite he is not Arav's dad. There is not even a shadow of doubt in his mind. His concern for Arav is for the son of an old friend, and for a child he has come to like and be fond of.
Khushi's insecurities are not gone, but she seems to be reaching a calmer way of dealing with them (so hopefully the violent negative reactions against the comedy have reached the cv's) ... her doubts are still there, but she agrees with Arnav that Arav needs to know his dad ... regardless of who he is.
That last was said after a pause, and with a new determination ... Khushi is ready to handle the fallout if the worst happens.
Sheetal gives her a meaningful look at that ...
If Sheetal felt that Khushi's doubts had been laid to rest by Arnav's declaration, and Khushi was ready to trust Arnav on this one, as evidenced by Arnav's talk about 'We want to talk to you about this ' ... and 'We think you should tell Arnav ... ...' then she just got evidence that they hadn't completely. So she has a window of opportunity to play with.
And that's when she starts her sob story about how much Arav misses his father, but how she, the eternal martyr, tried to be his mom and dad both, but never could ... and how Arav will be more upset when he knows who his dad is. And how how if she tells Arav it will affect many other lives, and for her own happiness, she can't spoil the lives of others.
Hellooo???? Your own happiness/ I thought they were talking about Arav and Arav's happiness here ... where did Sheetal's happiness come into the picture?
And that was a very meaningful look she threw at Khushi ... a 'you know what I'm talking about' look.
So Khushi's doubts are fired up again.
And again set to rest next morning ... because apparently Arav's sunny mood is because his mom has promised he will meet his dad today.
And when Arav is happy, he's all kid ... the annoying mini ASR is gone, he remembers his manners and says Please and Thank you, remembers to call adults by their titles, and talk politely ... he's a damn cute kid!
And the actor is really good too! Much better than his mother!
And Khushi, sharp as usual, asks Arav why the sudden change in mood and behaviour?
Because he's got what he wants ... he's in a great mood.
Mom proceeds to dress him for school in the middle of the living room ... and Arav protests, he doesn't want to go to school. He's going to meet his dad, as she promised.
And Khushi is happy - if Sheetal is going to introduce him to his dad, it means Arnav is not the dad.
So when Arav goes missing, the entire family will know he's gone to find his dad.
Really don't understand how they're taking this and where ... even if family or Khushi sees Arnav with Arav, how will they automatically assume that Arnav is his dad after all? Hope the cv's know where they're going with this.
really people is it soo bad today it almost 9.00 and no update?
ReplyDeleteGargi or meera who is this or do we have someone new:)
DeleteEpi was okay.
ReplyDeleteHe did notice she made jalebis and asks her why, she does not give him a straight answer and he doesn't pursue it and leaves it at that, ofcourse after mentioning that he will be taking a day off and will train the kid as long as he is here.
Aarav is furious when sheetal refuses to tell him about his dad. She is doing homework in the hall, kyon bhai, take him upto the room and do it na, why in front of everyone.
Anyway just like Aranv aarav gets mad and starts throwing things and storms off and not one goes to pacify the kid immediately and instead console sheetal.
Eventually khushi goes and cutely connects with him using plants.
Arnav who is at office is disturbed by aarav's behavious and calls up khushi (thank god and not sheetal) and asks about aarav, she tells him aarav is fine.
Sheetal lies to aarav that she will take him to meet his dad at some cafe.
Arnav and Khushi come together to talk to sheetal to convince Sheetal to talk to aarav about his dad and that once he knows the truth, the kid will be able to handle it.
Okay correct me if I am wrong here, I really thought BS was going to burst out laughing or was rolling his eyes seeing Madhura's Lame acting...I mean seriously or maybe I was doing that myself dunno, for the firs time I felt he felt bored ki kya pakao scene hai yaar, so totally unconvincing.
Next day, aarav is in a very cheerful mood surprising everyone especially khushi and she asks him what he is upto. Just as he is about to tell her, Sheetal comes and makes him change
WHY DOES THE KID HAVE TO CHANGE HIS DRESS IN THE LIVING ROOM ALWAYS???? come on!!!!!!!!
Aarav tells her, mom you promised we won't be going to school but to meet my dad..everyone is a bit shocked..
precap: aarav sends him to school with a check as fees payment, Duhhhhhhhh, calls up the teacher or principal and finds out aarav has not come to school.
So we can safely guess, aarav took off to the cafe and when arnav finds out from sheetal that he can probably be at the cafe, he will land up there and the kid will mistake him???
Oh and aarav enquires about arnav and akash and when he is told they are at office, he says he is so used to seeing them that he misses them, awwwwwwwwwww
the KID CAN act.
The mother CANNOT.
Btw, shwethu tell me, aisa bhi toh ho saktha hain ki Khushi goes to the cafe and sees the boy and Arnav together or am i sayin something silly here?.epi nahin dekha abhi maine
DeleteI think wohi hoga, he will go there from office hopefully with Akash, I mean if it is dhruv's kid, then ab toh akash ko thoda footage do yaar, now that he also has served his*clears throat* NOTICE PERIOD.
DeleteConfusion erupts...or since they have KC reserved for ME, it is only arnav and Akash who see the kid, arav thinks arnav his dad or says something like i wish you were my dad or something.
Batti jali for arnav and akash. They come concerned, sheetal still refuses to tell them anything and maybe during a heated conversation, she tells who the dad is?
why are u sayin that kid is dhruv kid?
Deletethe real blast from teh past for the RM? finally i am going to get teh BFTP story...teh last one was a damp squib.....hehehe
why dilshank arora should come and do 2 scenes in this drama yaar....they could have got any chappu no..even got akash bitwa as double role to do it (kanjoos PH)..Ok God's promse, i did not mean Akash is chappu...scout's honour!! I also love Jr bitwa..
hahaha...good you clarified that you love Jr Bitwa Rekhs..warna aaj toh tumhe Shwets se dande padthe :D
Deleteye dishank arora kaun hai?? good actor?? or like our madam Sheetal?? am being soo judgemental...she looked worse than a disinterested Barun today!!
disinterested Barun is also better than involved Madhura...example yesterday kitchen scene....even in play-acting, she was struggling...La had aced that scene last year (old woman one...it was so cute0
Deletedon't tell me dishank arora has become so huge, if so I am VERY happy for him considering the curse of the younger brother not getting dialogues started with him.
DeleteIf so, I have high hopes for Dograji.
Just so you know Dishank Arora aka DA as we used to call them, was the youngest of the three brothers, who well let us say for a loooooooooooooooong time did what Akash is doing now...The poor guy used to get bashed and main hoon na, I used to defend him ki yaar chance milega toh acting karega na, he is always stuck with Bhai Bhai..and apnay gautam bhaiyya was the screenplay writer there too...
makes me wonder if gautam has an annoying talkative younger bro and hence this revenge on all younger bros who are not the main leads?
Sochnay ki baat hai nahin
shwethu mujhe pata nahin woh kaun hain actually but since name was being bandied about i thot maybe he is a decently big actor...that people are saying so and so is going to play dhruv..frankly it a bit role...joh aadmi inko i.5 years mein ek baar yaad aaya....i am not very hopeful of his continued stay in RM...
DeleteRevenge angle from GH is possible....uska chota bhai bahut taklif deta hoga....possible...
arre yeh dhruv bru kuch nahin aane wala hain...wiki pe likha...main bhi kuch likh doon wahan par...
DeleteRekha..yea i remember that scene..she did ace it..
Deleteapparently she was asked to come back to IPK...now that her character is dead in Arjun (i thought she did the dying part quite well there!!)..how will they fit her in??
REKHS: Jaao jaakar likho ki Aakash ko dialogues milega.
DeleteJaao jaakar likho ki Aakash ko roper track milega..
Ab jaao na!!!
Anita...la as nks gf....but ewwwwwww, what is with NK falling for all of Arnavs gals...........too weird.
DA is like Dograji, though I would rate Dogra higher...But it has been ages since I saw DA..HE hoefully might have improved.
DeleteAlso both have the one thing in common, kuch zyada hiltay dultay hain, it is as if they take an effort to say dialogues, you know take a dee breath and say it types..it doesnt smooth flowly or effortlessly...DA always used to do that, dogra does it occassionally.
WAH WAH..2 BHAI jinhay kabhi dialogues nahin milta...what a choice I will have,lol.
DeleteShweta,
It was such fun to read your DA comments. Felt a soul sister moment there because I was such an avid follower of LNMDJ but that was when I was a normal viewer and had not discovered forums. Those were the days when I cld put off the tv just like that if I did not like an episode and not follow it only so that I know what everybody in the forum is talking about.
shwethu,
DeleteI already started writing that 100 times....like my grandma used to write shri rama jayam in her note book...
I used to ask her as a kid.."have u received some punishment that u r wrting this so many times? "
Un dinon teachers were not innovative with how to tackle recalcitrant children..all they would tell truant bachhas book mein likho "i won't talk in class" tumhari baat se mujhe woh baat yaad ageyi and i remembered my pattiamma...*hugs for that memory"
shwethu,
Deletewho is dilshank arora??
Does anyone watch BV?? who was the original couple? Anandi and??? - read in the papers that one couple is getting married in mid nov and by the looks of it - they have already canned it!! - iPK learn from your peers
Mona,
DeleteAnandi and Jagiya wsa the original couple.
Now she is marrying the Collector. And Jagiya has come back for her.
oh!! so the girl is actually moving on despite her first husband being back in the picture? - well, well done - don't watch the show but seems interesting if they are willing to show such change
DeleteBTW has anyone watched 'Qubool hai'? - how is it? - i have not had the guts to watch it for i have a huge distaste for the stereotyping of Muslim families on Television - they are either over made up, conservative, over polite, Urdu speaking(with bad diction) families OR completely the opposite where they are muslim only in name..
Personally, I don't think DA or anybody else is entering soon ... this will be about Arshi and their problems, mainly Khushi's insecurities. Don't think there is a Dhruv as of now.
DeleteSomehow I get the feeling that Arav was meant to be Arnav's child, and there is some re-working of tracks taking place because of negative feedback on that ... the way Sheetal is written, her character doesn't make sense unless either Arav IS Arnav's child, or Sheetal genuinely believes that he is. Otherwise she's out and out grey and is using Arav as a pawn. Which again is difficult to believe because Arav seems to be genuinely fond of her.
Dia,
DeleteI have no doubt that aarav was meant to be Arnav's child..now whether they change that or not remains to be seen.
when the most important aspect of their story was changed (Khushi-Arnav's interlinked past was resolved in 1 1/2 episode), i can believe anything..
Happy KC!!
I do KC in spirit only...in deed when i am with family(am southie married to Punju)actually have been away from the festivities always so could never get much involved.I have always seen KC as a social function more than a religious one...
I still remember my first KC after marriage, i got info on all the rituals etc...and then in the eve, the moon took an inordinate time to appear and when we went to the terrace, my hubby whose tummy was growling was getting impatient said "arre, its ok...u make this unwavering star i see on the sky tonite, make it ur reference point as moon, finish with whatever u have do and then let's go have our dinner, i am famished" LOL...luckily the moon gave a dekko and I did "whatever u have to do" and went on to break the fast...
Rekhs,
Delete*ROFL* your story of your hubby ... my story every year, even though my hubby doesn't usually fast on KC, but he waits for dinner for me obviously :) and gets all impatient ... ab khol do fast, it's enough, the moon is out somewhere in the world, just imagine that light behind that building is the moon ...
But the cutest is seeing my kids go out on the roads every KC searching for the moon, because without seeing it, mom can't eat!
Too true ... if the entire BFTP built up over 1 1/2 years, can be changed overnight, this track has no chance! :D
Monu, have watched 2-3 episodes of Qabool Hai ... am not impressed. Of the three main leads, none other than KSG can act well, and the KSG-dad and KSG mom interactions gave off such a deja vu of Arnav and his obsession with his past, that it felt like a repeat of IPK. And KSG doesn't look the new age tycoon ... BS suited that role far better. KSG merely looks like angry young man.
DeleteShwethu,
ReplyDeleteHugs...baby...i miss ur real chatpata comments...i know the current track cannot inspire anyone to do anything other than pithy comments but i still loved the Shwetha touch u brought to it today too...
Awwwwwww rekhs, you are so damn sweet ya...ALWAYS, *hUGS*
DeleteShweths, I ditto Rekha on this ... love the Shweths ka tadka you always bring to your takes *hugs*
Deletea decent episode...
ReplyDeletewhy did all just stand around when the kid was throwing things around??strange..
I am glad Arnav noticed Khushi made jalebis... and i also liked that both of them together went to talk to Sheetal about telling Aarav..
tomorrow is the anniversary of the almost kiss...hhaayyyeeee...those were amazing episodes...
i think i will watch a few of those episodes today...
Ani, tell me one thing that dialogue by Sheetal of not spoilin lives was her monologue kya?
Deletesatyanash kya?
Anita, even though it was their home he didn't throw anything except cushion and rest were his own things, so they kept quiet.
DeleteAlso the mother should have acted and the family cannot yaar.
No she specifically told this looking at khushi, grrr...
what??? and u guys are saying she is still positive...she may well be ...
Deletewhat she was asking leading question kya? and our shatir dimag was busy thinking of what to do when he comes to UK in Nov? mera last hope bhi paani main mil gaya..boo-hoo
Like ask her "whose life will u be destroying, sheetal, will u please spell out?" so that we can make alternate plans in our lives depending on ur respons
DeleteShwets...i know the Raizada's couldn't have done anything..Sheetal could have...anyway!!!
DeleteRekhs...she said it in the presence of A & K..looking at K..she was not very convincing...it was more said she said it on purpose!!!
maybe she did!!!
ASR toh uska baap nahi hai..that i am convinced!! even if Sheetal tries to play that card..don't think the man himself will buy it...
anita wohi toh, the moment the kid stormed off, she should have rushed after him aur kuch nahin toh tell the kid, ki beta maana ki hum muft ki rotiyan tod rahain raizada kay ghar may, tum unkay ghar ki cheezain mat todna..warna we have to pay for our own boarding and lodging......instead she was busy attracting sympathy votes for herself, mehhhhhhhhh!
DeleteHaan Shwets...ASR had to give her that sympathetic look naa..
Deleteand i think you are right..i was also thinking..what was with Barun today in that poolside scene..when she was going on and on about not telling Aarav..his expressions were like ..
'yeah whatever'
' i dont really care who it is or why you cant' and
'oh just get it over with'!!!
He did not like he bought a word she was saying!!!
Anita, Ditto, good to know I was not the only one here, he he!
DeleteShwets pelhe i was thinking oh maybe he was supposed to be like that...then he got totally obvious!!
Deleteusko bhi laga hoga..kya bakwas kar rahi ho yaar!!
oh and Sheetal was not very convincing was she?? maybe just bad acting...
ReplyDeleteactress and character both!
Deletetrue...maybe she looks that bad because the rest are that good...give them 1 minute of screen time and they do a great job...
Deleteif they have emotional scenes planned between Khushi and Sheetal..Madhura should buck up..or else Sanaya will walk all over her...
anita forge the adults yaar the kiddo is slaughtering her;)
Deletehaan..woh nahi socha tha maine..how cute was he all excited??
DeleteGargiiiiiii, where is she, Will not ask you for spoilers, tapak toh ja!
ReplyDeleteGirls, will catch up and get back tomorrow ... was out, and will have a long day tomorrow - Karva Chauth - nothing to do except sit and bak bak on my lappy!
ReplyDeleteOk just caught the epi...
ReplyDeleteCan't really add more than what is already written by Dia and others..
Nice epi....players moved ahead, positions not exactly firmed but nearly there...
Three things that struck me today...
1)Khushi has now come to the conclusion that arnav is not aarav's dad...so does that mean that all her "dubious" activities will stop or will something cause her to go that way again or will the copy of the DNA report now cause more problem?
2)If Khushi does not suspect arnav anymore, she cannot be held up for lack of trust issues...which then means it can only now be the truth that brings about any change in status-quo or am i jumping the gun here?
3)Will Khushi's shock be a result of her perceiving that Arnav has not been completely honest about the matter?
Amon the many interestin scenes today, my pick was
the dialogue from Khushi "Aapko use batana chahiye ki unka pita kaun hain chahe woh koi ho"
I found this dialogue from Khushi today very telling and the inflection placed on the words "chahe woh koi bhi ho" - this to me signifies the real Khushi - darti hain par karti hain..
Yes, she may approach problems as if it looks that she invited them (which she does too often) but she is not the one who will step back once she in the ring...she is a rarity so even when u call her insecure..u have to keep checkin for the dictionary meaning everytime u do that...else u are in danger of misjudging her...she has issues this girl but one thing she has in large measure is A BIG HEART!! u r one in a million and ASR is lucky to be in love with u and girl, remember u r too!!(just hang in there for a while, u will hear ASR's heartbeat very soon)
Rekh,
Deleteshe has issues this girl but one thing she has in large measure is A BIG HEART!!
Glad that your fear of Khushi being painted insensitive to the kid did not come true.
*hugs*
I found this nicely written.
Hoping it helps. Read shegarf.
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3258266&TPN=2
I don't think Khushi has come to any firm conclusions ... the girl is seesawing every day, clutching at straws to convince her that Arnav is not the dad, then getting doubtful again when Sheetal throws another bait. But it did seem that the comedy way of tackling this is gone (thank the Lord for small mercies and thank whoever got it into the thick skulls of the cv's that this was not the best way to deal with it!)
DeleteSo now this is more the real Khushi, gearing up to accept the next googly that Fate will throw at her, because she really doesn't believe in her own happiness at all. Hoping against hope that her fears are unfounded, but preparing herself mentally for the worst.
And that was why I loved that little Khushi-Arav scene ... this girl is ALL HEART and really cannot see anyone being upset or sad, she HAS TO try to help somehow. Least of all a little child who is really innocent in all this matter of who his father might be.
Another track laid ... the family, including Khushi, sees Arav's desperate longing for a father. For Arnav, it's nothing more than a fondness he has developed for a child, who happens to be the son of an old friend and an understanding of his need, because he has faced similar loss in his life.
For Khushi and her over-developed need of wanting to keep everyone happy, this is dangerous.
i must say - sheetal is not only a bad actress but a damned stupid mom!!! - she has no respect for her child's feeling or his sense or privacy (seriously, dressing him in front of everyone!!!)
ReplyDeletedia and others...this is for us -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3268002
if they are indeed looking for ideas then might as well give our SKD after combining everything...m sure we all can build up a brilliant track together.. :)
anyway the original story that they meant to tell us was long gone when the BFTP ended..
P.S. I don't know how authentic this is, but its worth a try..
Hello everyone. Have been really busy and have not been able to comment on the last couple of episodes but have read most of your posts with interest..
ReplyDeleteHave been out and hope to catch the rerun at 12 so will try and come back then. I know most of you will have gone to bed but I hope to catch up with you all tomorrow.
Lin
hey
ReplyDeleteam travelling today (going home yyyaaayyyy!!!).. will miss the episode..please post an update!!
Just wondering - as per the story (minus our own views)
ReplyDeleteSheetal is a single mom - one who had a baby either with a guy she was not married to or with a man who was already married - meaning she never married the guy - hence she never mentions her 'ex-husband'
then what i can't get about her:
- she chose to be a single unwed mother - then why the unpreparedness about the child asking about his dad?
- why does she brush the thing under the carpet? - in fact she was stupid enough to 'create a playground in the backyard' but not teach her kid to face this??? that too in a place where single parents are not a surprise???
- she talks about not wanting to hurting others - but is ok with messing with her own kid? and if it messes things - why did she have the baby?
- she promised her kid she would introduce him to his dad - and she repeated that by the poolside - so to save her own skin she lies to her child left right and center???
- if the father is in Delhi and she does not want to meet him, why come to delhi? someone should ask her that!
AS for the poolside scene - though i loved the "we feel" Arhi stance - to me it was a bit incomplete - why could they not show a small half min scene where Arhi actually discussed this - even as part of the telecon, it would have made great sense for them to be together then
Also would justify ASR's exasperation - his "stop ur 'bechari main' stance and tell your kid" expression
But must add - am very impressed with the PH (read the Raizadas) for not bringing up the 'ex-husband' dialogue even once in the play!
Monu,
DeleteRaizadas have the "forget once out of the door" syndrome...it afflicts one in a trillion but they have it!!
i am sure when any one of them walks out of the door on an everyday basis, they have this fear within, will they have to undergo DNA tests to prove their connection to RM household..exceptions being the HP bros inc...thats why u many seen all the helps are called HP irrespective of their facial features...
Monu, all valid points.....but itna socha hi kahan hain "inhone"...hum sab soch rahen hain aur don't be surprised we will not have answers to any questions...
I was reading the PH outburst and another post by alleged PH post defending the outburst..
The PH seems to be sayin, "yaar, chodo maaf karo..itna popularity humein nahin jhelna"
For u guys it may be a love story, but for us it is a business at the end of the day.
Every strong association with an idea, a brand brings about its own set of complications...agreed, we as viewers got attached to it...beyond measure..
But a more honest approach would have been to say, that we could not tell our story the way we wanted becos of circumstances.
the circumstances could be of their own making or others'....but that point is moot.
Rekhs - "Raizadas have the "forget once out of the door" syndrome...it afflicts one in a trillion but they have it!!.....they have to undergo DNA tests to prove their connection to RM household..exceptions being the HP bros inc..." - ROTFL ROTFL!!! - too good!
DeleteRekhs ... *ROFL* too good bey!!! Forget once out the door syndrome!!!
DeleteMonu, VERY true, those are the same questions I have been asking since the start ... why is Sheetal so unprepared with answers for Arav? In five year, has she not faced those questions even once earlier? Hasn't she formulated a story to pacify the child? And if she came to Delhi with the intention of meeting Arnav and passing off Arav as his kid, it's been quite a few days since she came to know Arnav is married, why the shock and fumbling still?
Telling Arav that his dad is married with a new family of his own, without telling the father's name ... wouldn't that be a start to getting him to accept that his dad is not going to be around for him? It's going to be sad for the child any which way, but better than telling him lies and half-truths and making empty promises which are going to hurt even more when they are broken.
Again remembering Masoom ... the single mom there knew the man was married right from the start, she chose to have her child, she brought him up alone, quietly, without disturbing the married life of the dad - it was her choice and she stuck to her guns. Only when she died, did the dad get involved out of sheer necessity.
posting here a reply on IF that I found really, really beautiful.. its a post by a member called tia.o -
ReplyDeleteFor those who defended Arnav's action last night stating that it was Khushi who brought Sheetal home so she should be prepared to watch her husband giving his whole attention to her, here's my thought.
I meet a woman friend of my husband. My husband tells me that she meant nothing to him. That woman is in trouble in a strange city with a child. I let that woman stay at my home because hey, my husband said that she meant nothing to him.
Suddenly all my husband's attention is exclusively on her and her child. So much so that he doesn't even realize during a family outing which I arranged for him, whether I was around or not. So it's my fault for trusting my husband's "meant nothing" and letting the woman stay.
So moral of the story, if your spouse (either husband or wife) let's your friend stay in your house whom you dated long ago but you told your spouse he/she meant nothing to you, you are free to ignore your spouse and devote your attention on him/her. After all, he/she let your ex in, so of course they should be prepared to watch your attention on your ex. Right?
Secondly, today I was watching the episode which reminded me of the scene where Arnav arranges for a movie day out for Khushi. Khushi invites the whole family and spends the entire movie chatting with NK while Arnav tries to get her attention unsuccessfully. (However, Khushi did continue to glance once in a while at Arnav's direction)
They come home and Arnav is angry. Khushi senses that and asks him what's wrong. He shouts at her, "I don't think you understand me Khushi. I arranged that day to spend time with you."
Now take last three days of episodes.
Khushi arranges for a family day out for Arnav. Arnav riled Sheetal into into joining the game and spends the entire time playing with Sheetal, not once looking where Khushi went. He didn't even realize that Khushi was missing until he gets home and starts chatting with his family.
Khushi is obviously angry. Arnav senses that and asks her what's wrong and why did she made jalebies as she makes them when she is upset. Khushi is angry so she says, "I'm fine and I made jalebies because you won."
A smart person like ASR would ask, "Oh so the jalebies were sugar free because you made it for me. Then when we stopped Aarav from having it, why didn't you say so?"
But he left it at that. As a married woman, I can tell you that usually husbands leave this kind of minefield when they don't want to hear anything else from their wife about this topic which might leave them in hot water.
Next clue, Khushi extends her nightdress to him. Arnav asks, "What's wrong?"
Khushi says, "I'm tired."
Arnav's smirky reply, "I played game and you're tired?"
Khushi's reaction should have been, "Yes, because you see, first I arranged the game, then I played the game, then when you were busy enjoying yourself, I came home and made jalebies. So yes, I'm tired of taking care of your needs and getting not a single appreciation out of you."
contd...
DeleteThirdly, I never said that Arnav doesn't love Khushi, he is just insensitive to her. I am still saying the same thing. Khushi asked him sarcastically, "You must have enjoyed a lot, right?"
Arnav, "Yes, I wanna check my emails." Not "Yes, thank you for arranging it for me."
When you people were asking why I was after Arnav? This was why. When someone does something special to make you happy, you say thanks to them so that they know you acknowledge and appreciate their efforts.
When Arnav brought Khushi channa coming back from jogging the day she was going to Gupta House, she said, "Thank you for bringing me channa."
Khushi was upset then about the contract marriage and his much uglier words a few nights before than her DNA test.
Now Arnav didn't bring her diamond jewellery, and Khushi didn't have to thank him. But she did which brought a lovely smile on Arnav's face.
The so-called low class girl has more manners and more class in her, than a supposedly high class Harvard educated business tycoon.
Fourth, the Sheetal angle. What's with making your son do his homework in living room in the middle of a million distraction? It looked to me totally staged. First, make him do his homework in living room, then ask him about Parents' Day in school so that he gets upset. Rile him with no valid excuse so that he throws a public tantrum. Then be a sad, desperate mother trying hard to raise her son so garner as much sympathy as you can from the family. Very very good.
Then later promise the child that she will take him to meet his father when no one is around to hear. He gets happy and like typical children can't control his joy and shares with everyone. Later, don't keep the promise so that the child does something drastic and later blame self so that people can empathize with the poor single mother in dire straits.
Now let's see what will a typical mother in this condition would do.
She will take her child in her room to do homework so that he is not distracted by everyone in the household. He has been brought up in a nuclear family so might find joint family a distraction when he is trying to concentrate.
Now even if the Parent's Day tantrum breaks, it's in her own room, so the family who is letting her stay in their home as a favour is not disturbed by her son.
Next, to pacify the boy, she'd tell him that his father can't see him because he has another family or he doesn't want to or he doesn't know about him. But his father's name is *Whatever* Singh Raizada (must be if he is ASR) and here's his picture. So that the child understands the situation and adjusts to it. All of these will be done in their room, not in the living room disrupting the host family's day.
She won't make any promise to the boy she had no intention of keeping because that builds resentment and enforces the child to retaliate by doing something drastic.
But it looked to me, Sheetal created the situation deliberately to panic the entire household.
contd...
DeleteFifth, Arnav was concerned about the boy. So he and Khushi went to talk to her.
Sheetal very conveniently made a scenario that seemed very suspicious to Khushi but because Arnav never had anything physical with her, he didn't react to it.
However, if on ME, Sheetal reveals Arnav as the father (I'm not saying he is, but I'm saying if it's a ploy), then he would look really bad to Khushi.
But I expect him then to go against Sheetal, not against Khushi because Sheetal made it look that way with his help. If he behaved like a polite guest the entire time during Sheetal's stay and spent time with Khushi instead, then Khushi would have no cause to even think that having Sheetal or Aarav anywhere in his life matters to him at all.
Because if Khushi even gets a whiff of suspicion that Arnav and Aarav are very much stuck on each other and Sheetal convinces her that Arnav is Aarav's dad, then she will remove herself from his life because she will feel herself redundant considering how Arnav seems to take her for granted these days and how less time he spends with her.
But hello? Can you blame her? Khushi is suffering from insecurity. It is a mental issue. You can't tell someone not to be insecure just like you can't tell someone not to be depressed. The only way to handle a mental issue is support, attention and understanding.
She doesn't have any support, no one pays any attention to her and no one tries to understand her issues.
Some people complained that Khushi keeps everything bottled inside. Yes, she does. Which is why 'till date no one knows the reason of her contract marriage.
Just like Arnav, she is a product of her upbringing. No one looked beyond her cheerful facade just like no one had seen beyond Arnav's anger and rudeness.
But Khushi did see through his anger. She could have taken Arnav's words at face value and let the wound fester, but she didn't.
Mads - if i may:
Deletei agree to most of the non-arnav/KKG bit but:
- tell me something - when did ASR neglect KKG? yes he was involved in the game and that was expected - he loves the game and is competitive! plus if you love someone, that does not mean you have to chant his/her name 24/7 - what it means is that you trust that person - you depend on that person
when ASR asked KKG if she was upset (and let me remind you, he has already asked her a couple of times) - she insists she is fine -
now to my mind - yes, he should probe further but having said that - has not their relationship reached a level where they can actually be honest to each other (ASR honestly told KKG about his past!) - where they know that they can depend on each other - so if she is troubled - why can she not talk to him directly?? HE is asking but she has to give him an answer for him to respond - woh nujumi (soothsayer)nahi hai! - So moral of the story is NOT - "its ok to neglect your spouse" = its:
Despite being 'made for each other soul mates - you have to work on a relationship!"
Plus i want to add - why is she not asking him? - coz she knows his answer - and she knows he is not lying - but she is still suspicious and can do nothing about it! So to me - she now needs to grow and learn to trust him - like he trusts her!
(though i find this interesting from a 'standalone' track pov but from the original IPK stance this track is funny - she always trusted him - that's why she married him under duress and yet never feared for her honour for she knew he would never hurt her thus!)
Mads,
DeleteThat is a wonderful post.
Thanks.
So this track is not only about Khushi's insecurity (though I quite agree she is reacting like a normal wife'd)...It is also about ASR's insensitivity.
When I say insensitivity, I don't mean to say he is doing it on purpose- it just does not come to him naturally.
Yes he should have thanked her for the effort sh etook in organising it, but this guy has just not learned to appreciate his wife for the smallest things she does to make his world happy. Very normal for a guy. Give him time, he will learn it.
"Just like Arnav, she is a product of her upbringing. No one looked beyond her cheerful facade just like no one had seen beyond Arnav's anger and rudeness.":
I feel here lies the scope for the growth in the love story. All the learning between a couple happens after the marriage.
On Sheetal,
The reason why the kid has his clothes changed in the living room, does his HW there etc. I wouldn't blame Sheetal. That is how the character i swriten, it is a convenient way for the writer to communicate Sheetal's issues to Khushi and Arnav and rest of RM. If she had all the convos behind closed doors, how'd they come to know all these details unless Khushi peepe in or keeps a camera in Sheetal's room?
Mona,
Delete"though i find this interesting from a 'standalone' track pov but from the original IPK stance this track is funny - she always trusted him -"
Khushi wants to believe, but the moment she assures herself, Sheetal comes up with something new to disrupt her trust. If it had stopped at the DNA report tearing, fine. She did trust him then. However the situation does not stop there, there are new worries ...after reading the diary and Sheetal refusing to discuss the father and the unending comparisons btn ASR and asr, from his family. If none of these had happened, K would have stopped bothering, I feel.
We feel the CVs should stop driving the pont, but actually the point is being driven again and again in KKG's favour, in defense of her mistrust- it is not for us audience.
Mads,
DeleteSheetal had tears in her eyes, watching the sunset, even before ASR and Khushi came to talk to her.
I don't think she is faking it.
But I'll agree she seems to have feelings for ASR which Khushi has picked up, therein lies the greyness of the character.
The rest of the inconsistencies in her behaviour, I feel, should be ignored like Anjali. It is a part of the story telling, I suspect.
But Su - that's exactly what is bothering me - not her fear but the fact that a stranger is causing all this worry when the love of her life could easy it for her (if she will but believe him over Sheetal's stupidity!) - sheetal has more influence over her than ASR at this point in time and i just cant swallow that!
DeleteMads, Mona, Su,
DeleteActually the points all lead us to question some lurking "inconsistencies" that kind of creep in when addressing such matters.
If we begin the argument saying
Mostly men and women are wired differently,probably some of these issues can perhaps be rationalised differently.
for example the movie scene.......
Khushi wanted to mak sure anji has a gud time so she invites everyone...fine...they wanted to highlight some of her sankiness..which they did..they made sure that Arnav could not get spend any time with her....despite his many clumsy attempts...but importantly the scene moved to the main point of him conveyin his hurt and she making amends in her style which may not have not gone off well but made the point across to arnav and K both.....to me that was the objective of him verbalising...his hurt and she responding to it....(how we individually reacted to the entire thing may be result of our own individual sensibilities becos in such tracks its really diffi to form an opinion)
Then came the birthday thing...again the point was perhaps for her to convey her hurt that he does not let others celebrate his big day...she chose a way that we found perplexing principally due to poor writin but at the end, Arnav got the point and actually made the effort to placate her (how or why he did it is now moot) if i look back i think poore fasad ki jhad woh suit hi hain...na woh suit seethi na woh chotu milta..hehehe)
In this track, the issue of him not being sensitive is larger becos this is not merely about a dinner or a movie date going wrong, its about a wife suspectin that her husband may have sired a kid from a previous fling.So people are bound to have strong opinions on the characters...i find both sides of the argument fairly natural.
which is why i feel it is not right to make this only about one character's insecurity or another character's insensitivity. Its a bit of both...and thats the reason love is a complex emotion..I don't know what the makers want to convey or rather idk if they wish to convey anything...but suffice to say, my sympathies are with both atm, a tad more with Khushi tho...
I want to rephrase one of my sentences above "he issue of him not being sensitive is larger becos this is not merely about a dinner or a movie date going wrong,"
Deletei want to a say " the issue of him not being sensitive and her being insecure to the point of not confiding her fears" is larger
If u see the previous matters caused them to open up to their feelings but all issues in marriage can't be tarred with the same brush... some require gentle dealing...and more importantly time to know ur partner well ...like the one currently.
But Rekha - tell me something - when she should have been insecure - when she had no confidence in his love(infact did not even know if he loved her) - then she stood by him through thick and thin - even defended him infront of HIS family - jheloed every one's anger
DeleteAND NOW when she know how much she means to him - she is insecure???? - ok that is not a good lesson for young girls!
Thats why Monu, i say its not insecurity of the kind we generally talk about...
DeleteIdk if it was meant that way or we readin much into it...but K not confiding any of her fears to anyone has always struck me odd thru out the narrative...so i always presumed there is a greater point to it...well if not..it will be one of the many things i am wrong about in IPK...no sweat
Monu, that's because she's not insecure about the new improved Arnav, but about the old ASR.
DeleteShe knows he didn't believe in relationships or marriage ... he wasn't particularly amorous with La either, La did all the chasing, he merely stood like a statue, the max you could say was that he didn't push her away, but he wasn't really cordial or sweet to La ever ... until he got angry with Khushi, then it was a response to that.
Now this new improved Arnav is pleasant to everyone, including his ex-gf ... Khushi saw with her own eyes his relationship with La and how cool it was ... his relationship with Sheetal seems much warmer - he's more pleasant with an ex-gf than he was with a current gf.
Now we can presume that this is because of the changes Khushi has wrought in Arnav ... but even we're wondering, was he this pleasant and happy with Sheetal in the old days as well? Or was he khadoos then, and it's only because he's opened up now that he's pleasant with Sheetal now. And Khushi is wondering the same - was he closer to Sheetal than he has told her? She didn't mean anything to him then ... because his attitude towards life and relationships was different then ... but with his current change in attitude, could his attitude towards Sheetal also change?
And every time Khushi decides to believe Arnav, trust him Sheetal throws in a new googly ... last night I saw it happen at the pool scene ... Arshi very much together talking to Sheetal, Sheetal already perturbed ... maybe because even after Arav's throwing such a big tantrum about his dad, Arnav has not made any move towards her, or even called to ask her how Arav is - he called Khushi instead, so Sheetal is seeing her plan fail ...
then Khushi gives her an opening ... 'tell Arav who his dad is, regardless of who that person is' ...
And immediately Sheetal starts her sob story ...
I'm putting it this way to paint Sheetal in absolute grey to show that this MIGHT be how she's thinking, and then her reactions make sense.
Contd ...
DeleteMads, I do agree with that tia's post a lot ... even I felt that Khushi organised the game as an apology for the DNA test, and Arnav didn't even once acknowledge her efforts. Especially when Akash said 'we had a lot of fun with this match' ... it should have struck Arnav who organised it and why ... but it didn't. Thankfully when Nani said again how Arav reminds her of Arnav, he finally got a bit conscious, because that was what the fight with Khushi had been about ... so he finally remembered her. But till then, he hadn't given her a thought.
Sheetal Arav discussion in the living room - a normal mom would make sure she had this discussion in privacy.
In a show you need the confrontation in public, so Arav did his hw in public - totally accept Su's point.
To make Sheetal a normal mom in a show, I would think Sheetal would look all embarrassed when Arav started his Parents Day tantrum, and at least make an attempt to take him to their room, tell him we can discuss this later alone ...
The fact that she didn't ... was it deliberate on the part of Sheetal, the character? Because she WANTED the entire tantrum to play out in front of the R's? Or a oversight by the cv's, a failure to put in correct detailing to make her believable?
Again, the actress is not good enough to figure out ... or else the cvs are purposely keeping her mysterious. But this will backfire, we need Sheetal's true motives to emerge soon for the viewers.
Shyam track was extended because we knew ever since Teej that he was the villain. So even when he got engaged to Khushi, and Arnav did the hate marriage, it was acceptable. Because we knew that both Arnav and Khushi were right in their own ways, it was Shyam playing them.
Here we need similar assurance that Sheetal IS playing games, so that both Arnav and Khushi are in the clear. By keeping Sheetal mysterious, the cvs are making it look that either Arnav or Khushi are in the wrong ... and that's where the track is going wrong.
Mona,
DeleteKhushi has not seen anything negative about Sheetal. In fact, when she said, "Sheetal seems to be nice", ASR confirmed it. So her hubby's judgemrnt of the woman cannot be wrong. Why else is this nice person trying to hide the kid's paternity from her? K thinks the only snswer is what Sheetal told yesterday, "I don' want to ruin other people's- read Khushi's - happiness for my happines. Her happiness and her kid's happiness is being one with the kid's father, but there is a big stumbling block on her path ...Khushi wonders if it is herself and that is why Sheetal does not open up to her.
It is stupid that she does not just believe him, but there are so many things pointing to the fact that he could be. She knows he is not misleading her, but probably wonders if he forgot a one night fling...he said 'no', but will someone explain the kid's diabetes, his mannerisms and the mother's reticence to her?
Even yesterday, once she felt Sheetal was going to show the father to Aarav, immediately K was at peace- the fact that Sheetal does not want to hide it any more means it is not ASR.
Ladies, let me put it this ways- if the CVs had shown that KKG trusts ASR but is suspecious of sheetal, I would have been ok buit she is doing the exact opp which is my problem. But then I am in cuarable romantic, and can't understand why people made for each other can doubt their partners but not the stranger!
DeleteAnd even Anji, though TF was the crook, she trusted him the most and that's why I understood her - her faith in her huband was never my problem, my problem was her lack of faith in her brother, her blindness in not questioninh how a good guy could sponge off her brother!
Monu,
DeleteIPK built a track on esoteric concepts like "atoot vishwas", i say esoteric not becos it is one but becos it was sold to viewers as one.
A track of this abiding faith of a man on a woman over a matter he was in despair over and the acceptance of his feelings for her which he had fought for long.
That people understood and viewed it as the meeting of the souls on arhipathy day was the highlight and powerfulness of the idea.
However, did that mean their trust edifice will never crumble or never face the shocks of an earthquake at some time..no but viewers had presumed it to be...why? Becos that was the power of that idea..call it stupidity or a quirk, i was fascinated with that aspect in the story even when i knew that all Arnav had to do was to get some facts cross-checked long ago. But for a story i was willin to ignore all the logic simply becos of the mythical concept.
But at the same time, i was mentally acceptable that these matters will get re-visited in future...found one aspect open in the track of Khushi's own perception of Arnav's love for her and arnav's perception of his past and his view of the OW in his life.
which is why i was all prepared for a diff track at re-marriage becos for me it was a question of Arnav coming to terms with some aspects of his past. That they chose to end it in half-episode was the greatest disappointment but i moved on accepting that it was perhaps my over-zealousness to see the conflict resolved in a better manner as against a tame opportune FB..
Similarly, the anji conflict...to me it had basis in the story so i never understood why it was not dwelt on? People chose to make it a sis-wife issue and started sayin that these loves are not comparable..Agreed but who said conflict cannot arise despite that.
so my point has always been that this is a story with a point to make...it has a shelf-life, agree on the points of conflict, points of concurrence, build the tracks accordingly and end on a high note...remarriage... yes love stories esp epic ones do run the course...not becos all fairy tales end with marriages but moreso becos the magical quality that we perceive until union of souls is achieved can only become about real issues after u are married...there is romance in that too but it has be presented in that light...no point in showing ARHI as a domesticated couple unless this was a new series...with a new name
at the end, i feel the PH lost out a chance to carry their conviction in their original story on to the stakeholders believing that their stakeholders will put faith in the audience perception forgetting that the story was not the audience's to tell in the first place
Since the KC is happening and Khushi is still not sure of who the father is, I think today might be a filler track.
ReplyDeleteBTW, I felt she decided to leave the issue, since Sheetal had promised to show the father, she feels it is not ASR. She thanked DM for the same.
If asr goes missing and ASR goes looking for the kid, K gets to witness more of her hubby bonding with this child...and if on KC, if Sheetal implies through her actions that ASR might be the father...
A little bit of nonsense.
1. Anjali was wearing K's necklace from Shyam ousting...the first half of the epi.
2. Loved Payal's necklace yesterday.
Happy Karva chuth to all -
ReplyDeleteps - my office is very telling today - all (happily) married women are on leave!!!!!
One of my friends told me that her hubby told her "tum yeh sab KC mat rakhna, fast-wast karke tum log aur irritated ho jaate ho..kahin fast counter productive na ho jaye" LOL
DeleteHappy festivities!!
Thanks Monu and Rekha, am fasting today ... why do I think of all the goodies that I want to eat only when I'm fasting? :)))
DeleteJust finished my pooja, so am in the mood to catch up with this discussions!
Monu,
DeleteAll (happily) married women :) I like.
Rekha,
Point yaar - bhooke people are only irritated nai
Dia,
Focus - there is lot of raita I have phailoed on IF (10 posts being the limit) and some mails. Check them out.
Sandy ... where are you on IF? On yesterday's post? Haven't been on IF much at all ... was out last night, and today has been unexpectedly busy ... just finished pooja and got free.
DeleteBtw, congrats for breaking your silence on IF finally :))) And welcome to the new SG haunts there :)))
Happy KC, All of you keeping the fast.
DeleteI find it a very sweet custom, though I am glad I don't have to fast for one whole day since it is not a part of our tradition here.
I was wondering,
The diwali programme in SP starts at 7:30. Will it spill over to IPK time?
Sarun is supposed to have the UK trip around now or what?
Any chance they might give IPK a break ?
Dia,
DeleteAm posting under the new handle.
I was on the ipk post by Sangha and Ash mainly.
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3265509&PID=68496698�
Then an appearance in Misunderstood by PH
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3268613&PID=68562909�
and now Ash has posted my parody in MF :)
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3268962
Enjoy! :)
ReplyDeleteMads,
This is the explanation for that 'outburst' it seems!
Me likes it! Drama upon drama- Bhelcome weekend!
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3268613