Monday 22nd Oct '12
Too much similarity. Not leaving anything to subtle storytelling ... this is shoving the resemblance down our throats.
Is Aarav diabetic or did he just faint from hunger/weakness/standing too long/heat/any of the varied reasons a child can faint? If he was diabetic, he couldn't have recovered without sugar.
Aarav with the girls was cute ... his annoyance at being called cute
How many ways are there of eating toast anyway?
Is gardening an inherited trait? Or has Sheetal really raised her son to be a carbon copy of his dad? Or of Arnav ...
Family is rather insensitive ... going on about how similar Aarav and Arnav are, and that he could be his son ... when they know he's the son of an old college friend ...
Sheetal very uncomfortable, wanting to leave as soon as possible. Thanks Khushi, as little interaction with Arnav as possible, and looks actually nervous at seeing him bonding with Aarav.
Khushi's face getting smaller and smaller ... growing quieter and quieter, so unlike Khushi ... cold fingers of unease start curling around her mind ...
She delicately starts to probe about Arnav's relationship with Sheetal ... Arnav's ready admission that he was in a relationship with Sheetal in college ... with a reminiscent smile, as though the memories are all pleasant ones ...
'They both realised it wasn't love?' I thought he didn't believe in love at that stage?
Arnav's teasing list of girlfriends ... Khushi's anger ... his laughing reassurance ... he didn't even know what love was till he met her ... enjoying her jealousy ... not taking it seriously yet.
But Arnav did not look as lost in Khushi and the Rabba ve as she was in him ...
Khushi slightly reassured by the teasing and the hug and the words ... till she asks the name of Sheetal's husband ... and learns that Sheetal is a single mother ... And the unease starts building again.
Precap - vintage Khushi ... 'har kisi ka kal hota hai jo aaj 'meant nothing' ho jata hai!'
But seriously ... Baankelal?! How is Arnav even going to take that seriously?!
Khushi is taking this very seriously indeed ... this is going to hit her very hard.
Relief - don't think we're going to get an OTT Khushi.
Dread - we might be in for an emotional Khushi ... which means a really intense track.
*Edited*
Holiday here today so my edit will be brief.
Thoughts:
All of Aarav's traits shown till now are traits due to upbringing - nurture, not nature. The only trait which could have been genetic - diabetes - is absent. (Inheritance of diabetes is complex, it is related to a particular gene which runs in families). His dressing habits, his 'What the ...", his non-belief in rituals, his distaste for girls (which is actually a trait in almost every little boy that age, not just Arnav
). His fear of being seen as weak is also a very boyish trait ... no wonder Arnav appreciated it more than the ladies. His interest in gardening, in reading newspapers - though it seemed to me he picked up a newspaper only to escape constant questioning ... all are inculcated traits, not inherited.
It would have been different if Mami or Nani or Anjali had exclaimed on seeing Aarav as to how similar he looked like Arnav at that age ... none of them did so. By this age, a child does show very clearly which parent he resembles.
Also, the traits Aarav showed are traits that a grown up Arnav exhibited ... Arnav did not dislike rituals at this age, he apparently took part in Janamashtami celebrations as a child. So Aarav shows the only traits that Sheetal would know about - because she only knew Arnav as an adult. And Khushi also knows mainly the same traits as she too did not know Arnav as a child.
The eating toast and drinking juice like Arnav was an overkill ... is toast and juice that rare as a breakfast combination? Very common indeed ...
So it seems that the cv's are carefully showing that yes, Aarav has been trained or reared to be like Arnav ... they're going a bit overboard with it though, with all the family exclaiming as to how similar Aarav and Arnav are ... yes, we do get it! And of course, Khushi already stuck by the thought last night ... all the comments just serve to make her more and more uneasy ...
Sheetal did not admit to anything more than being a classmate of Arnav's ... on the contrary, she played it down ... they only shared one class. And she didn't speak to Arnav at all after entering RM. Her expressions were nervous as she watched Aarav-Arnav interactions, and she was in a hurry to leave as quickly as possible.So she appears to have something to hide.
Arnav was at ease with Sheetal in the office - he didn't have any interactions with her at home .... and he was quite at ease with Aarav. No self-consciousness at all. And he admitted to his fling with Sheetal to Khushi fairly easily. He seemed a bit taken aback that Sheetal had told the family that they were not good friends, and he made it a point to tell Khushi that they in fact had been going out together for a while. His natural honesty? Again because he thinks he has nothing to hide? But what exactly does he mean by 'seeing each other'? From his words, it seemed it was a brief period of dating between two quiet individuals who both found similarities in their quiet introverted natures ... but when they got together they found they had nothing much else in common. Or maybe because two quiet individuals can really not gel with each other - at least one person needs to talk!
And why, when he realised that Sheetal was hiding their relationship from his family, did he even tell Khushi about it? Again his natural honesty and the fact that it really meant nothing to him now? Should he have hidden it from Khushi too? Why tell her about a past fling when he feels it's over?
Sheetal feels she has something to hide ... Arnav apparently does not feel the same way. But his expression during the Rabba ve was strange ... thinking, his mind was obviously somewhere else. Was he wondering how much more to tell Khushi? Yes, 'it meant nothing' to him ... but what exactly was the 'it' that meant nothing?
One last point - How come Arnav-Sheetal took so long to reach home - the time it took for Nani-Mami-Anjali-Payal to complete the kanya pooja and get rid of the girls, they were on the road the entire time? And Khushi was making toast and juice for Aarav for that long? Oh well, it gave SaRun a needed break from screen time ... accepted completely!
Too much similarity. Not leaving anything to subtle storytelling ... this is shoving the resemblance down our throats.
Is Aarav diabetic or did he just faint from hunger/weakness/standing too long/heat/any of the varied reasons a child can faint? If he was diabetic, he couldn't have recovered without sugar.
Aarav with the girls was cute ... his annoyance at being called cute
How many ways are there of eating toast anyway?
Is gardening an inherited trait? Or has Sheetal really raised her son to be a carbon copy of his dad? Or of Arnav ...
Family is rather insensitive ... going on about how similar Aarav and Arnav are, and that he could be his son ... when they know he's the son of an old college friend ...
Sheetal very uncomfortable, wanting to leave as soon as possible. Thanks Khushi, as little interaction with Arnav as possible, and looks actually nervous at seeing him bonding with Aarav.
Khushi's face getting smaller and smaller ... growing quieter and quieter, so unlike Khushi ... cold fingers of unease start curling around her mind ...
She delicately starts to probe about Arnav's relationship with Sheetal ... Arnav's ready admission that he was in a relationship with Sheetal in college ... with a reminiscent smile, as though the memories are all pleasant ones ...
'They both realised it wasn't love?' I thought he didn't believe in love at that stage?
Arnav's teasing list of girlfriends ... Khushi's anger ... his laughing reassurance ... he didn't even know what love was till he met her ... enjoying her jealousy ... not taking it seriously yet.
But Arnav did not look as lost in Khushi and the Rabba ve as she was in him ...
Khushi slightly reassured by the teasing and the hug and the words ... till she asks the name of Sheetal's husband ... and learns that Sheetal is a single mother ...
And the unease starts building again. Precap - vintage Khushi ... 'har kisi ka kal hota hai jo aaj 'meant nothing' ho jata hai!'
But seriously ... Baankelal?! How is Arnav even going to take that seriously?!
Khushi is taking this very seriously indeed ... this is going to hit her very hard.
Relief - don't think we're going to get an OTT Khushi.
Dread - we might be in for an emotional Khushi ... which means a really intense track.
*Edited*
Holiday here today so my edit will be brief.
Thoughts:
All of Aarav's traits shown till now are traits due to upbringing - nurture, not nature. The only trait which could have been genetic - diabetes - is absent. (Inheritance of diabetes is complex, it is related to a particular gene which runs in families). His dressing habits, his 'What the ...", his non-belief in rituals, his distaste for girls (which is actually a trait in almost every little boy that age, not just Arnav
). His fear of being seen as weak is also a very boyish trait ... no wonder Arnav appreciated it more than the ladies. His interest in gardening, in reading newspapers - though it seemed to me he picked up a newspaper only to escape constant questioning ... all are inculcated traits, not inherited.It would have been different if Mami or Nani or Anjali had exclaimed on seeing Aarav as to how similar he looked like Arnav at that age ... none of them did so. By this age, a child does show very clearly which parent he resembles.
Also, the traits Aarav showed are traits that a grown up Arnav exhibited ... Arnav did not dislike rituals at this age, he apparently took part in Janamashtami celebrations as a child. So Aarav shows the only traits that Sheetal would know about - because she only knew Arnav as an adult. And Khushi also knows mainly the same traits as she too did not know Arnav as a child.
The eating toast and drinking juice like Arnav was an overkill ... is toast and juice that rare as a breakfast combination? Very common indeed ...
So it seems that the cv's are carefully showing that yes, Aarav has been trained or reared to be like Arnav ... they're going a bit overboard with it though, with all the family exclaiming as to how similar Aarav and Arnav are ... yes, we do get it! And of course, Khushi already stuck by the thought last night ... all the comments just serve to make her more and more uneasy ...
Sheetal did not admit to anything more than being a classmate of Arnav's ... on the contrary, she played it down ... they only shared one class. And she didn't speak to Arnav at all after entering RM. Her expressions were nervous as she watched Aarav-Arnav interactions, and she was in a hurry to leave as quickly as possible.So she appears to have something to hide.
Arnav was at ease with Sheetal in the office - he didn't have any interactions with her at home .... and he was quite at ease with Aarav. No self-consciousness at all. And he admitted to his fling with Sheetal to Khushi fairly easily. He seemed a bit taken aback that Sheetal had told the family that they were not good friends, and he made it a point to tell Khushi that they in fact had been going out together for a while. His natural honesty? Again because he thinks he has nothing to hide? But what exactly does he mean by 'seeing each other'? From his words, it seemed it was a brief period of dating between two quiet individuals who both found similarities in their quiet introverted natures ... but when they got together they found they had nothing much else in common. Or maybe because two quiet individuals can really not gel with each other - at least one person needs to talk!
And why, when he realised that Sheetal was hiding their relationship from his family, did he even tell Khushi about it? Again his natural honesty and the fact that it really meant nothing to him now? Should he have hidden it from Khushi too? Why tell her about a past fling when he feels it's over?
Sheetal feels she has something to hide ... Arnav apparently does not feel the same way. But his expression during the Rabba ve was strange ... thinking, his mind was obviously somewhere else. Was he wondering how much more to tell Khushi? Yes, 'it meant nothing' to him ... but what exactly was the 'it' that meant nothing?
One last point -
How come Arnav-Sheetal took so long to reach home - the time it took for Nani-Mami-Anjali-Payal to complete the kanya pooja and get rid of the girls, they were on the road the entire time? And Khushi was making toast and juice for Aarav for that long? Oh well, it gave SaRun a needed break from screen time ... accepted completely! 
honestly, i'm glad that we got the spoilers. otherwise i would be ranting and raving right now.
ReplyDeleteneat episode. rather drawn out in parts, but i love how comfortable arnav and aarav were together.. and that little spotlight scene of a sad face on sheetal was beautifully poignant.
barun acting like arnav acting like he was lying was hilarious. and yes, the storytelling is all about in-your-face explaining today. leaves no room for interpretation, everyone is thinking aloud and speaking aloud and ... i loved arnav's long lisht of girlfriends!!
j,
Deletethe way the track is turning out i am not going to place any faith in any of the spoilers....esp the one that she put out later....seems more of an effort to calm than anything else.....
the sheetal girl seems to be holding on to some deep secret
when i watched the episode unfold, i remembered ur words, of how they will tell this tale, whatever the twist... beautifully....leaving the irritations of the poor writing aside the track has great potential...just wonder
This track has great potential ... the start is damn good. Ignoring all spoilers, this could go any which way. Khushi's face getting smaller and smaller got to me today already ... this is going to be very tough on her, as we already discussed.
DeleteI desperately want SP to convince Barun to stay on IPK ... This could be such a good track if he stays on ... And I really think there's lots of scope to explore Arhi further...
ReplyDeletePlus good side tracks for Payash and Anjali !!
"Sab ka ek kal hota hai jo aaj mein nothing hota hai!!" Great KKGSR said it!! Motto of the track.
ReplyDeleteI loved the way Khushi is handling the whole situation. Still early to say but she is taking it very maturely as off now.
I love love Chotu ... I'm more in love everytime I see him. Awww ma baccha!!!
honestly, if i was not so emotionally invested in the arhi bond, i could just sit back and enjoy the track unfolding....there is immense scope...and none other than SARUN who can do do justice to it......but my heart is feeling heavy as if there is some impending doom...can't get that feeling out of my mind!! my heartfelt wish if even one of them drops out, let them just end the serial.....its going to be painful to see it anything less than as a homage to love, arhi's love.....sorry for being maudlin....
ReplyDeletemy two cents:
why is sheetal saying "hum"...does she mean aarav and her or just her in all the sentences that she said today....the hum humne was very apparent..does she have a lucknow connection as well, just wondering....
i liked madhura's acting today..pretty decent....Opti's take seems a logical course if they wish to explore....if they want to keep sheetal grey/white...she seems to have a strong arnav hangover.....and i can well accept if he was attracted to her in his teens....sheetal seems just the right companion for him...introverted....not in the face, shy and someone who would have him given a lot of emo space to arnav in his diffi years....the etching so far is gud....and if i was not so involved in ARHI, i could have seen this track bear out well.....
a lot of in-the-face remarks, the cvs must be careful not to overdo it...they have made the point already...
i was wondering how many ways there are really in which one can have toast....as in tareeka....
Rekha i know what you mean when you say your heart feels heavy.. i look forward to watching each but i keep wondering if that is the last time i will watch Sarun together...
Deleteam not too good with the whole wait and watch thing!!
For me the most beautiful scene was Arnav telling Khushi that he did not know what love was till he met her..tho he was earlier pulling a fast one her when he was naming his dozen or so conquests fully realising that she is getting jealous...this is my interpretation ..I
ReplyDeleteDon't know if I am right..will welcome Dia and others comments..
Riya
Monu, please drop in a line to tell us all that u and baby are fine. r&r is praying!!
ReplyDeleteWhen ASR said 'single mom', the first name that shot to my mind was Sushmita Sen.
ReplyDeleteSheetal is an introvert, may be she never really got over ASR, hence she gets really fidgety around him. She did not want another person in her life and may be adopted the kiddo- ASR- Aarav Sheetal R...explains why she is insecure about her maternal instincts also. Just another possibility on the kid. He is really cute.
I found that Arhi hug more than a friendly hug, they really held on tight. Nice expressions on ASR- slight regret that he had not found her sooner and tremendous happiness that he found true love when he did not even go loking for it.
su,
Deletepossible and she may have brought up this boy instilling almost all his traits and some of her own, she is similar to asr in some ways..who knows she may like gardening too.....she maybe a no-fuss person..when they are etching it fine, (i liked the way arnav described sheetal) which is why the writers should just stop for a moment and think of what is possible realistically to inherit and what is imbibed as a habit?
Rekh,
DeleteFor now I am really glad he did not inherit the diabetes...very positive sign!
WT can never be explained, unless Sheetal herself says it.
BTW, Sheetal seemed OK today. Is she really supposed to turn in to a vamp?
i was waiting for the doctor to say something about the diabetes..but nothing happened...guess they scrapped that part..
Deletebut how can he say anything abt diabetes until tests are done? and btw what injection was he giving the boy...is that the right thing to do for a fainting spell?
Deletehe came..gave the injection..said he was a brave boy and left...did he even say what could have happened?
DeleteROFL anita.. that was the WT scene of the day.. cutting out the diabetes dialogue (because of the ire of fans) took the whole wind out of that scene.
DeleteThe kid did tell the doctor diagnosed it as due to climate change. Plus this is the first time he fainted, hence the 'don't tell any one I fainted' dialogue. He does not have diabetes.
DeleteAlso, this kid has no problem saying 'thank you'. He cannot be ASR's son regardless of what K or Sheetal or ASR thinks.
yeah.. next, we should check if he has problems saying "Happy Birthday".. then the paternity test would be complete ROFL
DeleteJ,
DeleteROFL. We'll have to wait for a year for that, since K and ASR already celebrated their round this year, and NO ONE else has a birthday!
Seriously, I find the kid less damaged than ASR. He has just developed an attitude early on in life, thanks to having a single parent. And he already knows more about gardening than ASR. WT! The kid at least does not have ASR's brains. LOL. Another paternity test turns out negative!
Rofl at the paternity tests!
DeleteI too find the kid ok ... he has an attitude all right, but that could be because of having a single parent. I did find him a bit rude in the way he went and helped himself to water, the way he asked Khushi for toast and juice - if my kids said it that way, they would get a severe telling off - PLEASE AND THANK YOU!!!! ... and the way he wandered off into the garden ... you do not wander off around strangers' homes if you are a well-brought up child ... at least, my kids did not! And you don't start fiddling with their things without their permission. No matter how 'intelligent' or 'cute' others find it!
I am a strict mother, I'm realizing! :D
I found Aarav very cute and natural the way he interacted with the girls - that disgust was hilarious! And the Arnav-Aarav gardening was sweet. But more and more I feel his similarities to Arnav have been carefully inculcated by training - none of them are inherited traits.
Now why Sheetal went out of her way to do so, remains to be seen. She could be interested in reading and gardening herself, that could have been a common interest for her and Arnav, and one she has passed on to her son. She might not be a believer in rituals herself. The stoicism faced with needles - that's an inborn trait, not necessarily inherited - my son is that way, while my daughter freaks at the sight of a needle.
But the dressing, the What The, and more than anything, the fact that Aarav has so many of Arnav's traits, and those too, all the trainable ones ... I think the cv's are doing this purposely. It's not just a question of lazy writing ... this is deliberate, to show that Sheetal HAS TRAINED her son to be like Arnav. Now the REASON for that remains to be disclosed.
ideas for paternity test - ROFL ROFL - too good - but ASR (J) could have a better brain - after all its called evolution!!
Deleteas to the exaggerated similarities - its for the general audience - everything has to be 'in your face' kind of build up - no need to think Sheetal trained her kid, its just a way of the CT to keep us thinking and their options open. they can mold the story as they wish - as Characteristics inherited from a dad or just coincidence of having a very boyish (8/9 year old) boy!
If BS stays on (or not) - they can twist the story as they want
Hugs Su for the decoding of the hug. I was confused by the expression and decoded it as nostalgia , realization about how he had changed , realization about how different this hug was .. realization about love and maybe a realization that he had to tell Khushi more about his past and Sheetal..............and how much he should tell .......
Deletei found the episode a bit slow..but it was good to see Arnav and Aarav bond.. Barun and Sanaya seem very comfortable around kids!!
ReplyDeleteLoved Arnav's long list of GF's..hilarious! though he had a weird expression in his face as he was hugging her..ho sakta hai mein zyada soch rahi hoon!!!
my favourite dialogue..i didn't know what love was till i met u!! aaww...
I was laughing my head off when he started the list. There were tears in my eyes by the end of it. Seriously, it was so funny- he said it with such a straight face, then K's expressions and his transformation...if I get even a 5 minute segment like this it is a real treat. And what followed was really good. Precap- confusing. So, he did not convince her? Aaaawww....bitiya.
DeleteSu i know!!! that expression on his face was classic!!!i was hhaawww ODB was such a womaniser for a second..then i saw that expression!!:D
Deleteprecap..oh she is convinced..i think she is just taking revenge on him by trying to make him jealous just like he did..
ok this is not connected to today's epi
Deleteu know Su, i was sometime back trolling the IF.posts ...seems its divided pretty much into two camps there....one that is angry that asr is this casanova and other camp that is overjoyed that asr is this virile macho man....LOL ...extreme views no chance of any moderation....hey bhagwan inn bacchiyon ka kya hoga?
precap bankelal was hilarious..our sankadevi can only choose such a name!!
Rekhs i saw those posts too..i mean some of them are really mad at ASR for being a normal hot-blooded man..it was kind of funny reading some of their reactions..
Deleteanita...but the funny part is that there is another camp that feels vindicated that asr has a long list of partners....comeon..either way what is the point being made...i would say one is too sexist in approach and the other wet behind the ears...sometimes i worry about the stereotypes being built...perhaps the effect of reading too many m&b books or watching too many SP serials...
Deleteanita,
Deleteon that rv, i am not sure how to read it....the angle was all wrong...what could he do when she is already in his arms...if he looked into her eyes...the inevitable will have to follow....ab woh toh nahin hoga...toh issi se khushi rahiye...was the point being made....
ani, i am also a chicken like u....i have started reading LUs, i will watch only until it is palatable...the moment it is not, i will stop watching the serial...for me nothing can tarnish arhi, if they do.....i will not watch a single frame after that....i have only seen the terrace epi once and that too, i ff the hug and scene after that...
That RV: I felt it was heartfelt. ASR's expressions semed to suggest something like 'I am sorry my past hurt you, unfortunately there is nothing I can do about it'. Realy like he was suddenly reminded of the huge difference in their thinking, how 'we were seeing each other' means different things for him and her...how he forgets to see things from her pov...
DeleteI absolutely loved the episode for bringing out the skeletons in the closet. She already knew about La, and ASR never found any of those relationships meaningful to be even mentioned to her. I felt it was handled very maturely from thhe ASR part, because we are used to his way of thinking. What it means to K, a traditional girl...can she accept each of his GFs that easily? La was different, she was her friend too...
I really liked Sheetal today, how she wistfully looked at her son and ex boy friend' together, thinking of what could have been??? She looked like another lost child. I hope K suddenly does not want to turn 'saviour' for her. Hmmmphh...
I did not mean he had a string of GFs.
DeleteHe found a friend in Sheetal because she was not like the other girls. In fact, she was a loner like him...lost...angry..and they vibed. They thought it was love, and discovered it was not; parted ways.
I loved the GF listing scene.. he was obviously joking and the precap was wonderful....but can a Banke lal stand up against an ASR? NK was almost an equal competitor who got ASR jealous... I only see him getting amused at Banke lal ji... most likely halwai from Lucknow
DeleteAnita he did have a rigid expression when hugging Khushi ...as if debating whether to tell her more about Sheetal and his relationship. It does not matter to him but as usual its opposite in case of khushi.
ReplyDeleteThis is really interesting. If this track handling is anywhere near to how todays episode was done. I am a happy camper. As in for Sheetal to not be vamp and Arav to be Arnavs.
Bitwa ko phir se kuch karna padega Bitiya ko manane ke liye, agar apne love life ke baare mein sab bata diya toh!!!
Deleteam still unsure about the track Sam! if the kid is Arnav's..will the PH be able to handle a kid for a longer period of time??
sam,
Deletei get ur point.....but my only concern is that if sheetal is in the picture and is not grey...waht are the credible options that remain to keep this an arhi love story for the audience..and by credible i mean sensibilities of target audience
1) bs won't stay if he is the father....highly doubt that at this stage of career...not that its a gud/bad move, but he would need to thnk thru that well.....
2) do we see a serial on star plus advocating okay, let the boy remain wth mother and father will visit him on weekends....much as that could be a practical solution, u know how these things work here...i will applaud if they have the courage to show a practical solution to this situation....
3) then there is this thing called sankadevi...do u see her letting all this happen given how she is?
4) and by letting asr walk away with new family, they would not only kill the spirit of the show, they would have perhaps made a mockery of everything their characters stood for...
Sama, it matters to Khushi because as usual she's put two and two together and made 22 ... and face it, she's meant to! Whereas Arnav is as usual clueless as to what is going on in his Sanka devi's mind. Now either the possibility hasn't crossed his mind because he actually never slept with Sheetal, or else he really is a bit slow on the uptake ...
DeleteGiven that he knows Sheetal is a single mom, Aarav's age, I would think he might have wondered for a brief second ... that is if he slept with her at all.
actually i have stopped crediting asr's brain at all...it was always a rumour....
DeleteRekha, agree with you ... if they want to keep the credibility of this love story intact, this has to handled very delicately.
DeleteI would prefer to go with the suggestion (I think it was Opti's) of Sheetal having an affair on the rebound, and this not being Arnav's son ... but she brought him up with very similar habits because she never fell out of love with Arnav. But to make the track believable at all, Arnav has to have had an affair with Sheetal at some point, for that doubt to come in.
Boy remaining with mother, and father visiting him on weekends - would happen in real life - won't happen on a show, not enough drama. If they were so civilised to actually TALK everything through, where would the MU's come in from?
As it is, I was rather impressed with the way Khushi broached the topic of Sheetal to Arnav ... and got the information she wanted out of him. Most unlike Khushi - she usually barges in like a bull in a china shop - or else sweeps it under the carpet, pretending it hasn't happened. So her reactions are going to be interesting.
Rekha, I love you!!! You make such serious points and then you come out with comments like the above ... Arnav's brain was always a rumor! :D
DeleteRekha,
DeleteHum bhi aapse I love you dammit :P
Le you called and I came to do bak abk - posted below :)
Dia,
Agree to what you said about Khushi. baby steos. Rather than go haring in, she asked him first. I hope she asks him more tomorrow and perhaps plants the doubt in his head too :)
Oh and Dia,
DeleteIn the case they eventually show Aarav to not be Arnav's son, let Sheetal have had a bad marriage and tried to suppress those memories with her good them with ASR - maybe ASR was her first love.
I am not too comfy with children being born out of flings - adults need to exert as much caution as possible and with all the birth control pills available today and other precautions it sounds a bit whacko tho I know the one in a 100/1000/1000000 chances do exist of precautions failing.
ROFL public service message:
Delete"wrap it before you tap it in college..
or a child will fall in your lap when you're happily married to the love of your life!" LMAO
have not seen the epis yet - so will be back with my tipani - but just dropped in to thank you all for your concern - my kiddo is fine and almost back to self - after a three day stint in the hospital! (though i personally think the last day was just a prerequisite of a private hospital - an attempt to squeeze you of every dime :D) jokes apart - she did give me a scare and cant tell you how nice it felt to have virtual friends pray for her :D
ReplyDeletedont know if i said this before but my baby is growing up so fast, she is a big girl yet she is still just a kid - my baby :D
hey monu.....so glad u come online and give us this reassuring news...i had closed my lappy for the day...thats te only way there will be some food on our table...i have to cook dinner but i couldn't resist checking on phone if there was any post from u...becos u do tend to log in late....
DeleteVery very glad.....may Almighty always keep u and ur girl in His benevolent care always....take care and all the best...to ur little big girl *hugs*
btw dia, i can't seem to make posts on phone esp the adding name/url....is there any issue for others as well...
Mona,
DeleteThanks for letting us know. My cousin had dengue and took almost this time to recover. But I was getting slightly apprehensive with no news from you. Our love to your 'big girl'. *hugs*
monu, good to hear from you!
Deleteso glad that your sweetie is all right. hospital stays are always a hassle, good that you needed only 3 days!
thanks Rekha, Su, Jaya - she has been down with the fever since Tuesday but when her platelets and BP dropped i thought it best to take her to a hospital - before that was staying up nights just feeding her (forcing down ) fluids! poor kid was in pain and i could do nothing for her - But all's well now :D
Deletesorry should have written earlier but had no internet in the hospital and could not post through the phone
Hey Mona..good to know your lil one is alright!!!*HUGS*
DeleteMonu, so glad to hear that your baby is doing all right ... kids are kids all your life ... my kids are 18 and 20 and I still worry over them if they have a cold! Give her lots of hugs from us and tell her to get well soon!
DeleteAn idea - Sheetal was way too much in love with Arnav.
ReplyDeleteArnav liked her because they had most of the things in common. In few days that they were dating Sheetal realised Arnav is never going to marry her as he does not believe in it. She hatched a plan to trap Arnav - maybe juice mein nasha on a prom night which he did not attend- but got trapped herself. Got knocked out.
She was too afraid to let anyone know what happened and top of the list was Arnav. So graciously accepted their parting. She left Lucknow too &moved abroad - I'm
thinking Lucknow as I don't believe in Harvard timeline - as she discovered she was pregnant. His traits - genetic ones - are very logical as Sheetal herself is similar to Arnav and the non-genetical ones were thought by mom herself as she never could stop loving Arnav.
Sheetal not a vamp ... Arav not Arnav kid ... He is not a plant either, that would take away from the kid and most important of all ArHi remains intact and their relationship will be explored by themselves.
sam,
Deletei would prefer aarav not to be a plant simply else i will be forced to conclude that the makers are diabolical in their thinking...bubbly track,gruesome miscarriage and now this....
but then again i have this cold dread in my heart for that very reason...but all ur options are soothing my heart but u know what the central thing to our skds happening is one hotwa staying on in that skd.....i can almost feel those cold fingers of unease....eeeeeeeerrie!!dia, a very gud title...chalo girls wl chat up tommo...bye
Sama,
DeleteI agree with the Harvard timeline.
May be Delhi?- since they probably were kicked out immediately after their parents' death.
Sama,
DeleteI don't particularly like the juice main nasha idea.
I mean if they were physically intimate let it be so, knowingly, in full hosh. He believed in live-in. He never hid it from anyone. His ideas are all nouveau generation and Khushi is still learning. To her gf bf may mean haatohon main haath salman khan ka movie but gf bf in today's world has physical connotations.
Bachelor's Party night he clearly told her - Khushi I know you don't like all this. For her to be that close she needed to love and trust and be in a relationship with the man. To him, being physical was just a need like eating or sleeping.
It would be interesting to see how Khushi copes with it. Will she accept it like he did the rasams? For this change / relaxation in her outlook only for him would be a true gesture unlike the date night and bday parties IMO.
I would honestly like it if Sheetal was not a vamp. ANd pleej not a plant and that too Shyam's. There is a way to end this bit and then bring that psycho in post this phase of the story.
and how come none of the Raizada's asked Sheetal's name??
ReplyDeleteand what exactly is ASR Juniors full name??
Deletethey do not give us those all important details Mona!! in that scene they were calling her bitiya..but no one asked her for her name!! Khushi knows..at least let arnav intro her...but know..she walked in with ASR so no intro's needed...
Deleteinteresting episodes:
ReplyDelete- pancakes - awww - seriously cute! - must say ODB smiling is really drool worthy - wish they did not use such loud bg music - the expression of both actors was bang on - we did not need the bg score to tell us what was goin on in their heads!
- the CT does not need the 'in your face' similarities between ASR & ASR - the white shirt, sweater, the 'what the..' - really not required
the kid actually does look like ASR and little nuances make him very ASR - loved the toy store bit where KKG indirectly asks if the doll is a good gift and ASR (J) is all - "I am not interested" but cant help but respond - very like ASR (S) - he too cant help but respond to KKG's very many tricks :D
- ASR & ASR bonding - very very sweet - did feel for the boys becharey ladkiyon main gheeray huay the!
- must say IDB has improved by leaps and bounds as an actor - ODG was always damned good - the scene by the pool today was very very well done! - you could almost see imps of mischief in ODB's eyes
- the track "will the arhi bond survive this?" is getting interesting - i just don't want to know any more spoilers - if this is a way to get rid of ASR then the track is pathetic - but if this is just another track, where the ARhi bond HAS to survive this and the only thing that needs clarity is whether ASR was involved or was cheated - then i am all game (and me being the incurable romantic - believing in the fact ;) that love makes the world go round) - i want to see either of the last two options - meaning - ASR has to stay on!
- very cute today - "and she she disappeared... you could not see her.." after all 'seeing' is defined very differently by different people!
- finally - i dont like that ASR had had 'affair/s' earlier (apart from the fact that i am old school) - this does not gel with my image of ASR - if he thought flings were ok (he never believed in marriage!) then why the anger at his father and BIL - oh i get the big difference - they were married, he was not - but if he did not think girls were worthy of the respect, then in a way he was like them - so this is not an image i want of ASR - so tricked/drunk/one night stand in a moment of passion are all acceptable to me - but ASR 'seeing' girls casually does not gel with the ASR in my head
oh and btw - if ASR did have a relationship with Sheetal (a physical one) then how come he is not even wondering if the child is his - he knows Sheetal is a single mom and the timelines should at least get him to wonder - so two things can happen, given the CT love to mess up our characters -
Delete1) ASR never had a physical relationship with sheetal - or was tricked in to a one night stand he remember nothing of -
or
2) he is plain dumb and cant do maths!
Mona,
DeleteIt does not look like he thought flings were OK.
I really liked the way he explained the relationship to K.
'You know how I was,....AM...' (I really liked the way he inserted the present tense suddenly, not in relation to Sheetal, but on the whole it means this to me: "You have changed me, taught me a lot of new things. But I don't know if I can ever be any thing close to what you are as a human being, Khushi." This guy has a lot of RESPECT for his wife now.)
And he goes on to explain how they were both loners. He had no one to talk to - boy or girl- found a friend in Sheetal, it grew into a BF- GF thing, ultimately he realised it was not love. 10 years back. Probably he stopped believing and looking for love after that. Would've thought it is only a myth, until he met Khushi.( By the time La came, he did not believe in love..it was only a relationship to satisfy his family's constant pressure on him.)
Mona i am seriously questioning that look of ASR's when he was hugging Khushi..i think it suddenly struck his 'shaatir' dimaag that Sheetal is a single mother...i may be completely wrong of course!! par uska expression zaroor badla!!
DeleteMonu,
DeletePehle to bade waale jhappis and huggs that you and lil Monu are back from the hospital. Looks like it was quite a scare.
Huggs and kisses to her for being a brave little big girl :)
As for hat last look, I will wait to see if they continue the scene today but to me ASR did not get into the hug cos he was pensive thinking about and sifting through all that Khushi had just brought up.
I have always wondered why no one speaks of La. Today I thot - bcos she did not mean much to Arnav, the family knows he does not like people speaking of things an people that have passed and Khushi is perhaps still jealous and insecure that La was in his life before her unknowing of her place in his life even then.
I would have loved soem La discussion between the ladies tho when Arnav was not home at least to see Khushi's reaction - La's SPA outing, attempts to make laddoo, the mud cake..something like that.
pps - so anji has moved on - as in totally - completely - without a thought to spare - wow!
ReplyDeleteSanaya looked very very pretty today, and fresh. That grape colour suit would look good only on her.
ReplyDeleteLiked Sheetal's attire. The way she stomps in and out..I found it funny. Like she has to run away from this before she starts complicating it.
Also liked the way she effortlessly thanked K today. Really, can't find any vamp there. Scary?
su,
Deletegirlie.....u don't say scary?... if u say that...hum kahan jaaye, tumhare bharose baithe hain hum....
speaking of bharosa....where is sandy? tumhara bharosa kahan hain...humein bharosa dilao......sandy, hazari do yahan.....soon
su, i don't see sheetal as a vamp from any angle, if they do that.....it would be only if they are creatively challenged how to use this track.....there are very sensible ways to keep the track simple and yet provide something meaningful for arhi....including keeping sheetal grey or white....if they have to test the arhi bond....like use sheetal in a grey way to make the point....
i hope they don't spin a track around an arnav who sees himself as undeserving of khushi due to a quirk of circumstances....please please please don't that......
Su, the hallmark of this PH is that they have wrought the changes in characters very smoothly (all except for Khushi!) ... Shyam was smooth talking, polite, helpful kind of person and slowly his layers peeled off ... La was bitchy, mean, rude vamp at the start and slowly changed color ... ASR to Arnav, what a journey ...
DeleteSo I wouldn't go by Sheetal's current character ... she could change slowly, and the way they have shown her, right now she could go any direction. That's one thing in this show, the characters all have layers, they are not too cliched.
dia, very well said. my sentiments exactly.
DeleteDia,
DeleteA single mum would rarely mould her son in the replica of the man no longer in her life. If Arnav was indeed Aarav's son, that fact alone would have sufficed why add to the misery of loss by having the child reflect the same mannerisms?
Instead if she and Arnav were good friends, broke up amicably (similar to La and Arnav) where there was heartbreak on Sheetal's side but knowing Arnav she could not do much tho she hoped for more. She moves on, gets married has a child and the marriag breaks for whatever reasons. There is a child borbn of the wedlock. You would then try to mould that child in the memory of the man you loved to take your mind away from any harsh memories of your married life.
She is for now potrayed to be an introvert. She downplays her relationship with Arnav because it will be nothing less than embarassing to acknowledge that yes they were good friends and have the risk of the family wondering or even Arnav asking her why her son resembles him so much in mannerisms. Awkward it would be fo Sheetal.
However, every human craves love, attention and comfort. Seeing the warmth of the family, the comforts Arnav enjoys, the man he has become, I would not put it past Sheetal to want it all fr herself in a misguided moment of self pity. After all it cannot be easy being a single mum and being strong always for your child. And her goal changes. She misuses the tag of ex-gf, ex-good friend and Arnav's new found humaneness to sow discord in ArHi's life.
Dia,
Deletecont..
For some reason I was reminded of the FB of Ratna where she tells her hubby - I saw you with that woman. How could you do this to me, to us? Did you never think of your wife, children, your family?
Putting a twist here, what if Arnav hears similar stuff from Khushi in the future? Not about letting her down but not disclosing the child and how he would need to take a decision favouring the child.
Arnav can keep on denying and fighting but what if the evidence stacks against him. Khushi will believe his word but she will also have the urge to do right. But unlike his mother her himmat does not break.
I would want Khushi to decide with Arnav that they need to do the right thing, initiate steps in that direction and drunk on her initial success Sheetal trips up setting alarm bells in Arnav's mind and he investigates. Aarav meanwhile has developed a genuine liking for the klutzy ye cute and amiable Khushi aunty. If Aarav and Sheetal are in RM already, then I hope that Aarav finds way to keep coming to GH with NK or Payal. Garima and Buaji though upset with developments will not want to blame a child who has no real hand.
Arnav can face RM censure like Khushi once did. A reversal of the Shyam stalking Khushi can happen with Arnav and Sheetal. (No I do not want Khushi rescuing him. Silent phone convos, being there for Arnav, allok, but no bond007 on his behalf. Arnav is capable fo coming out of this on his own. Khuhsi can pass on snippets she learnt from Aarav to NK and Arnav). But gradually NK and Arnav trip up Sheetal and the truth comes hurtling out. (Whether Shyam will be involved I do not know, rather seeing how Sheetal framed him if they lead it to causing doubt that his father may have beenframed and thence leading to Shyam's return would be nicer I think. Am wondering cos when Shyam was thrown out, Khushi turned to look back at him. SO there is that bit yet).
Anywas Sheetal story:
Arnav realizes the extent of Khushi's insecurities due to their shared past and how she ended up being sacrificial lamb in his life's events.
Arnav to prove what he told Nani and Garima on the wedding day that he shall not hurt Khushi and neither will he let the past intervene in their present.
Khushi acknowledges the extent of her need for him. How she too needs only him and how her breath will stop if he were not around.
Khuhsi to realize the risk involved in trying to get to the bottom of every matter. at times it is better to let sleeping dogs sleep on. This time her inquisitiveness / jaagruk nature could have almost hurt a small child. Though she mean well, how many lives including hers would have been affected? (assuming she will not upfront share her doubs about aarav possibly being arnav's son with arnav to begin with, only later)
The cliched route but with sope for growth in ArHi as people and as a couple
Dia,
Deletelastly..
I know a child from your hubby's ex is no laughing matter. In real life it is a very difficult situation to be in. Emotionally draining.
But there is a part of me which wonders if they will have the guts to show Aarav to indeed be Arnav's son. He did not sleep around. He believed in live-in relationships but never marriage.
Sheetal and he seem to have had a good relationship and seemed to have parted amicably. She so far is not shown to have any animosity just an awkwardness. What if she had decided to intially raise the child on her own and would have done so but for the chance meeting with Arnav and Khushi. What Arnav did not know he could not have told anyone right?
Whether her decision is right or wrong I cannot say but she chose to stay single, her call.
Because if indeed Aarav is Arnav's child - what would Arnav do? what would Khushi do?
Judegement, tears, accusations will all be a part of the revelation.
Arnav will be angry he was not told and kept away for so long. He would want to have his son to himself and know him better. He would want rights over his son.
In his enthu he may forget the pain it would cause Khushi to live with a child not of her own blood. But when her pain reaches him, it will crumble him for yet again he would have become a thorn in her life. And unlike Shyam, Aarav cannot be discarded or thrown out. WHat would he then do? Hold onto the past, Hold onto his present, or find a way to hold onto his presnt with an acceptance of his past?
Will Khushi, the selfless one find it in her heart to give back what she has received in plenty - bonds of the heart. A gesture of the selfless love for this man who has said she is better than him? Profess to him that the knowledge hurts, its pains but accept that just as it is a fact that for the hurt of the roses, the flower cannot be blamed, so it is a fact tha if you like the rose, you need to accept it with its thorns and yes sometimes they may prick you.
Would Aarav bonding with Arnav and Khushi result in Arnav realizing the himmat his mum lacked, in realizing why Khushi calls Garima amma and stated that Garima was not answerable to her real mum, why Khushi still stores away a memory of her real parents as stars thoguh she acords Garma and Shashi the status of mother and father in her life?
Will this time Khushi yet again think to relinquish her haq on Arnav or will she fight to stay with him despite how she feels about the situation and what Sheetal may demand? (a reversal of Arnav forcibly marrying her that night)
How would Sheetal react to it? How would it affect Aarav? What was he told about his father?
"Zindagi tere gham ne humein
Rishte naye samjhaaye
Mile toh mile dhoop main mile
Chaanv ke thande saaye
..Muskuraaon kabhi toh lagta hai
Hoton pe jaise koi karz rakha hai.."
sandy, I like the scenario where sheetal covets the warm loving family that ASR has. sounds a humane way to turn her into a vamp (LOL)
Deleteratna saw AD stray.. and asked an explanation.. why in the world would arnav stray? like he said, he does not have many friends, the only bright spot in his life remains only khushi.. the way he reassured her about his girlfriends past.. now even if he hugs sheetal for some reason or the other and khushi sees it, i can imagine ODG asking him about it, and i am sure arnav would leave no stone turned to reassure her again.. but RM censure, he has no regard for, so I dont think he will explain beyond "there's nothing going on between sheethal and me".. even if the RM ladies hostel begin the 'support khushi' morcha.
seriously.. there were so many men at RM.. now only ASR!! a bit like aSR and the girls at kanyapooja :D
J,
DeleteRatna's FB aagin from ASR's introspection POV. What will he do now knowing what he does plus how Khushi reacts to it.
Somewhere there will be a parallel between his mum and Khushi dealing with an upheaval in their married lives. His mum killed herself, Khushi will yet again show Arnav how she will live with her head held high.
As for Sheetal, humane way to make her vamp LOL :P
She seems like ASR. So she would want to stay away (like he once tried with Khushi). Fact is she possibly does not even have feelings for him anymore but the child is a reality. ANd if it is theirs, knowing he is married she knows it will mess up things considerably. Besides I wonder how they will shape up her having stayed away all this while and coming back only now. I am also not for them trivializing single mums or showing them as wimps.
As for her loneliness, hook her up with NK. Somehow I am looking forward to a positive note like they did with La. It was so refreshing.
Sheetal loved Arnav, they broke up moved apart, she realized she was having a child and decided she wanted it. He anyways did not want marriage. The could perhaps speak of how he had mentioned he did not believe in family, marriages and kids. So Sheetal kept mum. But now he is married and he will have an upper hand if there is a custody battle. Hence she is being cagey?
Sandy,
Delete'A single mum would rarely mould her son in the replica of the man no longer in her life. If Arnav was indeed Aarav's son, that fact alone would have sufficed why add to the misery of loss by having the child reflect the same mannerisms?'
BINGO ... that was EXACTLY the point I made in my post on IF this morning!
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3252836&PID=67839062�
To me too, this makes it more likely that she may have had an affair/marriage on the rebound, and Aarav is a product of that, whom she reared not like his actual dad, but in the memory of the man she really loved. Now we know at that time, Arnav did not believe in marriage (he didn't believe in love either - a slip from the cv's when he told Khushi that it wasn't love so he and Sh broke up). So makes sense that Sh din't contact him - if Aarav is not even his son, why would she?
And if he is, well, the old Arnav never believed in love, marriage - they had broken up because Arnav didn't want a long term relationship, would a child have changed his mind? This was wrong on Sheetal's part IF Aarav was actually Arnav's son, so Sh is in the wrong in this one - and she should know it and feel even more guilty about coming back.
But now, like you said, Sh gets tempted ... Arhi marriage is very new, barely a week old, she has no idea of past history. If she plants the idea in Khushi's brain that Aarav is indeed Arnav's, then Khushi will take time out to consider the options ... including what would be best for the child. After all, the child is the most innocent in all this, he shouldn't suffer.
But Sh stands to lose the most as well ... if she reads Arhi wrong, then like you said, in a custody battle, Arnav's side is much heavier - he can give Aarav a stable home with a family and a mother as well ... no court will tell a man to break his marriage to marry the mother of his son ... and neither will the R family expect that either. It's only Khushi who will even think of the possibility ... and Sheetal, of course - regardless of how black or white or grey Sheetal is ...
Girls,
ReplyDeleteJust wanted to come in and say au revoir you all...
Its been a lot of fun discussing everything ARHI for the past 4 months here at R&R - the witty comments, the insightful comments all added to the IPK experience.So thank you all.And since we have discussed so long I did not just want to disappear without letting you all know :)
Koi khaas wajah nahin hai - Asli duniya has always been busy , IPK addiction is gone now so it does not pull me away from the AD as strongly.
Good luck and best wishes to all of you girls and thank you Dia for this platform :) Have fun and happy Dussehra :)
hey sri,
Deletegud for u if u r detoxed.....thats the best thing....but keep dropping in for some fun comments....
altho R&R has been abt ipk always.....but it has also been much more.....even when we discussed characters....somehow we always felt we discussing a perspective...yes at times far removed from reality yet recognising that fact...so as long as this cafe is open..do drop in....ipk or no ipk viewing...
wishes for the festive season.....it has been fun 'knowing' u.....
Sri - haven't you heard the dialogue - Yahan sab aatey apni marzi say hain par jatey hamari marzi say hain!! - meaning - we get you have detoxed but you still have to drop in once in a while - if only to say HI!
Deletehope to see you around - and hope the drama turns so that you are forced to come back ;)
Sri,
DeleteYou've been saying for a while that you have detoxed, so will not say much ... but do drop in once in a while if an episode catches your interest ... in IPK or any other show. R&R isn't only IPK ... it's our virtual coffee shop, where you can discuss anything that's bothering you, vent out ... or just drop in to catch up on the chats! Hope to see you around!
Sri,
DeleteAU Revoir!! WT*
Thou shall have permission to say that only to IPK on R&R if you so wish but not R&R per se - Samjhi Tum!!
Bol Diya!Bas!!
sri, it was great 'knowing' you.. go on, have a ball, enjoy your life!
DeleteJ,
DeleteThe way you said go have a ball, I thot of haso jiyo muskuraayo..kya pata kal ho na ho!!
yes yes fimly I know.
Sri, nice "knowing" you :) dang yaar I shall miss your flowcharted options to story :)
Sri!!! ye kya?? do come to R & R often!!! will miss your takes!!
DeletePoor khushie, the thoughts going on in her head whether this boy with so many of her husbands mannerisms could be his,son. The family not helping the situation at all. Confusion and concern. Can Arnav really be that blind. If he did have a physical relationship with this girl and he knows sheis a single mother, looking at the child and the,age,would he not put it together and think of the possibilities. I don't think This boy is his child, there is no guilt attached to his thoughts and when he relates his list of ex's he is just tring to make his adorable wife jealous and loving the reaction. But if this is his child, khushie will be heartbroken to know that she was not the first to give him children. How will she cope with the news. Will she listen when Arnav tells her what she means to him and try's to make her understand, or will she back out and slowly disappear from his life and crumble with sadness and loneliness into her own world again. Hope not, this is just too,sad.
ReplyDeleteLin
Lin, I agree, I felt worst for Khushi today ... she's already getting insecure and uneasy. This is going to be really hard on her ... it's the worst for her.
DeleteIf Aarav IS indeed Arnav's son, he gets a father, Arnav gets a son, Sheetal gets a father for her child, the Raizadas get a child in the family.
What does Khushi get? A stepson? A permanent reminder that there were other women in her husband's life? Another woman who will always share her married life - because if Aarav is Arnav's son, he can't kick Sheetal out of his life permanently.
All Khushi wanted was a place of her own, a place she belonged ... she finally thought she had someone of her own ... what will this do to change equations? Will this bring back all her insecurities, her feeling of not belonging? Will she feel that Aarav deserves to have both his parents with him, not just part time, or a stepmother ...
Hi Lin and Dia,
DeleteThis is why I'm afraid to watch the show nowadays. I seriously can't take the heartaches anymore. I only get to know what was happening through the blog. It's like I'm having this phobia about knowing that after all the hurt of khushi she will get more and more hurt. Did I made sense?;-) I can't express how deeply saddened I am with this track sorry.:-( and also I'm curious as to how will the show carry on when asr leave. Sigh.. well as Lin said life will go on, it'll be hard for awhile but it will go on..
cheng, lin, dia, we have been having sad tracks after sad tracks.. the diwali rejection, the forced wedding, the airport rejection.. not to mention several other humiliations that we as viewers took only because we were addicted to the story?
Deletedo you forget all that when you see a smiling khushi?
do we expect everything to be hunky dory again? of course there is going to be angst.. without angst, there is no character growth.
yes, they did give special focus on khushi's twisting brain.. from the moment she met aarav in the tailoring shop, she is having deja vu moments. seeing ASR repeating what aSR said in the car.. and then family all saying he acts like ASR.. and still she had only vague doubts.. but hearing ASR say that he dated sheetal in college must be blending all sort of filmy scenarios in her head.
i'm waiting for the next episode.. i dont think their conversation is finished yet.
Dia, what makes you think sheetal will gladly step into arnav's life? she was a single mother to a seven year old, if the child was ASR's, she could have emotionally blackmailed him into marriage a long time ago. instead, she kept herself and aSR away from him, even now when she met him, she was trying to get away as fast as possible. she did not want to work at AR once she realized that ASR was boss.
yes, she is hiding something, but i am 100% sure that the kid is not ASR's.
J,
DeleteTrue that the show addicted us with ths suspense of the lovers and high passion in times of total angst.
I am also wondering if Sheetal is not too happy to see ASR bcos she fears complications in her life thus far. There has to be a reason to keep away and being a single mum. Yes they may go the vamp way, alternatively what is Sheetal says this was her decision - keep the child to herslef as the relationship meant nothing to him but something to her.
I am right now ok with both. Child being ASR's, or initially being ASR's and later being shown as not his once teh drama and angst element has been sorted.
I for one want one more guy to crush on Khushi - Aarav :) NK can get jealous of Aarav ;)
But seriously NK developing a soft corner for Sheetal before hell breaks loose would be a good a parallel track and it will add to the circumstances when the suspense breaks.
Bas they show sensitivity in what they show and how they show it.
..and that is another way aarav is similar to arnav.. instantly understands khushi..
Delete(SN i liked that sheetal called khushi "aap". means she understands she is ASR's wife, giving the respect that title deserves. i dont think any of khuhsi's peers have yet called her aap. )
and yes, for the moment, i am definitely liking sheetal's characterization. her introvert behaviour, her downplaying the past, her reaction to the family.. nice girl!
I concur with Jaya . The girl has raised the kid so long . She knew of ASR-- he was atleast in the press..so I am sure that if the kid was his , she would have come to him long back. The kid is not his.. so two options
Delete1) She has raised a kid exactly like him -- mirroring her first crush -- the kid is hers but from some other person or adopted!
2)She is in it for the money --Shyam's plant ... kid is an actor that she has adopted. ... wonder how shyam knows her when anji does not.. and she has decided that this time she will have Arnav ! Either way , the kid is a good actor!
Ash,
DeleteYep she has raised him to be a mirror of Arnav. I go with 1 or just because she wanted to raise him in the way she perceived Arnav, his dad, would have raised him.
2 will be a bit too much of a stretch.
I agree on 2 being a stretch... the kid has to be really a good actor to pull off
Delete1) Calling the lady his mother
2) ASR mannerisms
Somehow I think it is the lady who imprinted on ASR and raised her child ( I do not say their) to be like him ! Her coming out of the woodwork is purely coincidental..and the resemblance can be explained away as the imprinting .
This is not to say that Arnav is a saint and there could not have been a moment of weakness.. but the child does bring in lots of complications that would ruin the serial.
The normal/sane way to deal with this assuming that Arnav did not know about the child and therefore did not run away from his responsibilities.. thus keeping his character intact is
1) Accept the child
2) Pay maintenance and have visitation rights... enough that the boy gets a father.
Given that this is a Hindi serial and the treatment of such subjects is not great on Indian TV so far....would not know how this will go!
On top of it there is fandom!!
Hello all, greetings from Germany! :)
ReplyDeleteI'm liking it a lot here in my new city and enjoying settling down and setting up my room...added to which my latmate is extremely sweet .. :)
hope you all are doing fine ... @monu, god to hear your kid is now ok.. :) my kid brother had dengue and his BP had gone so low...I was in Germany then and there was absolutely nothing I could do except pray...my mom and dad were sitting next to him in hospital, he wasn't responding to anything then.. it was so terrible, I still get tears when I imagine that time... I wishes then I could just fly to India and be with him.. but god to know that yout child is feeling better now.. :))
@Su..hope your FIL is feeling better now.. :)
P.S. I have watched all the epis till date and have decided to ignore offscreen drama so that I can make some sense into the nonsense that they wanna show.. :P surprisingly, it is quite interesting, even to someone like me who had vowed that she wouldn't watch any other epi until they get ArHi back or track and/or give a confirmation that BS is staying on.. but now, chuck BS..I don't give a damn whats gonna happen...whether he stays or not, and even if he quits, looks like, (as of now) this track is gonna revolve around khushi and her feelings without making her go OTT - me likes! :)) nothing like watching Sanaya enact emotional scenes.. :)
oh god..I've made so many typos with this new laptop of mine!! :P still have to get used to the placement of keys ... they are so different from my previous laptop! :S
DeleteSu,
DeleteWhere are my manners - hope your FIL's surgery went good and he recovers well.
Madsiee,
huggs! gud to see you liking the new place.
madsie, so happy to hear that you're finally back in Germany and liking the place! good luck in your research!
Deleteyeah.. as of now, the track shows a lot of promise!
today's airtel spoiler says aarav has juvenile diabetes. will wait and watch.. khushi's jealousy.. hope she goes the bond way and not the sanka devi way!
Thanks, girls.
DeleteDad doing well, should get discharged by tomorrow if all is well.
Mads, great to hear you are adjusting.
J,
Oh no!
Why? Why? Why? Why does Aarav have to have diabetes?
I hope this spoiler is wrong.
Hey mads, good to see you back! Hope you're settled in your new place!
DeleteMads - thanks - yes i can understand what your parents must have gone through :) but alls well that ends well
DeleteGlad to hear you are happy in your new home - have a blast and hope you have a great time there
Su - really glad to hear your dad is on the mend - glad to see you back here :D
hummm... interesting
ReplyDeletei am all for the Yash copra kind romance - flowers, music , lights - the works! - an incurable romantic - hence i do not believe in love at first sight - falling in love with something (one little thing)you liked, what so great about that? - staying in love despite knowing the ugly - that's love! (of course love is built on the +ve but has to withstand the -ve as well)
so i would have been ok if ASR had had a few relationships in the past - (in the words of Leonie )i would much rather have ODG be his last than his first - BUT my problem is the ASR so far has had no characteristic of someone who had a relationship (let alone relationships!)
the only person who came close to him was La - she was a genuinely nice person - efficient (otherwise he would have thrown her out of AR long ago), persistent and daring enough to try to get close to him - and she did - to the point that he "allowed her to waste 10 minutes of his time"(introduction of La) - but he never got physically close to her - even when in the office he was never shown trying to kiss her (none of the failed attempts with KKG due to interruptions from family) - the PH could have easily shown that - after all KKG interrupted them so many times) - every time he was as stiff and erect as a stick!
even when la was in his house (which by the way was just a reaction to nani!) - he never took advantage of the situation. even before nani came into her room and shoo-ed off La - he was stiff and unyielding!
And finally he is for all his faults a very strong 'family man' - his family is what he can die for - so if he had had a relationship with Sheetal - how come its not even clicking in his head that this could be his kid??
so either one of two things have happened here - either the PH has come up with traits to suit a track required to send ASR away
or
ASR is NOT ASR's kid!
ps - am a single mother and one thing i do know - a lot is imbibed through nurture - my daughter is my replica and i cant attribute it all to genes - she really has nothing from her dad even though i have never consciously kept his traits away!
Though i so wish she had picked up his intelligence and flair for languages but trust kids to always side with the wrong genes!!!!
Monu,
Delete"staying in love despite knowing the ugly - that's love!"
Having said this why do you say ASR will have to go away if Aarav is Arnav's kid?
True it has not yet clicked his head that this boy could be his and I guess that it began in that hug. Khushi asked him about the child's father and that scene ended..lets see if they continue. Honestly if she is doing a DNA test, it would be nice if she speaks to him about it and why she needs to know and he respects her sentiments for if the child is his it would matter to him too. Sheetal is being obtuse to all around.
SN: I respect you for raising your child as a mum and dad both. Whatever she inherits or not, what she will imbibe through nurture is definitely your strength and pragmatism / practical non-nonsense outlook to life with the courage to dream yash chopra waala romance :)
And dont give up jeustyet on the languages flair - it may bloom late :)
mona, i was thinking of the la track too.. and yes, lavanya seems to be just a time pass girlfriend, to take to events and stuff.. he did spend time with her, in the office.. where khushi was the only one who (unknowingly)dared to interrupt them.. and the live-in was definitely because of nani's meddling.. so a "serious" girlfriend seems unlikely. and la had to ask him for a hug when they broke up.. i'm pretty sure he was as touch-o-phobic as they showed him to be. (what could he do if the pesky KKG had to fall into his arms at every opportune/inopportune moment!)
Deletei'm not judging.. merely speculating from the presented data.
the reason he is not thinking that aarav maybe his kid.. the possibility never arose!! the only one with doubts will be KKG.. arnav will be blind to the whole drama, as usual.. until the very end. i have a feeling no one will tell him their suspicions.. and he will happily live in his bubble till it blows over.. thats what i think.
character traits.. comeon.. if i like wearing polo tshirts and i see a child walking by wearing one, will i say "haila, that kid could be my son!"
like dia said, none of the family can see a feature resemblance. he was a stranger in the house, so could not go in/out away from the attention, so he hid behind the newspaper. he can say "what the" or be a rather mature kid, (bubbly was mature too.. in fact, it is NOT so difficult to find mature kids these days.. especially when parents dont treat them like kids) the way he reassured his mom by standing up.. "i'm okay now.. see?" there was love, there was care ,there was exasperation.. exactly like a mature kid. (that boy is a very good actor!)
monu, you said nurture can affect character traits.. but nature is a big part.. i can see traits of me, my hubs, my parents, his parents.. in each of my kids.. some more, some less. now why would my daughter anger like my dad when she has not spent one full month with him from the day she was born? it is indeed genetic. (or that's what i think)
and yes, how many ways ARE there to eat a piece of toast? or has manorama mami &co never seen people eat toast? seeing the way she ate a piece of bread, i think that might be the true answer :D
i'm wondering why they did not feed him at the table. not even a coffee table?
seeing sandy's post reminded me. yes, RESPECT for the insane amount of worry you would be facing,while raising a child, as a single parent. ((hugs))
DeleteHEY! speaking of La.. her introduction was ASR's birthday!!! so the birthday was definitely before di's anniversary!!! paagal CVs (eyeroll)
DeleteJaya -- it was not - it was the 3 month anniversary of their relationship! I checked when ASR's b'day was announced!
DeleteBTW ASR's b'day would have come as per the calendar before janmashtami -even the IPK calendar... so they forgot the dates and did the wrong b'day or like the tweet said he has two b'days-- one in the passport that came from school records and a real one -- common in India!
oh thanks Ash.. i dint want to go watch that again and confirm. and yes,two birthdays is common.. i used to have 2 birthdays.. was such a hassle to merge them before getting my passport!
DeleteJaya, temperament - being short tempered or cool tempered, hyper active, hyper sensitive etc, can be inherited or imbibed. Dressing and speaking styles cannot be inherited.
Deleteopti, putting on a vest over a shirt is not a patented dressing style. which is exactly what i was saying before.. and if a boy has a touch of common sense in his dialogues ,suddenly he is ASR's son? ( granted, that "what the" from those little lips was hilarious.)
DeleteActually, each of those individual traits isn't a big deal in itself ... but the fact that they are all present together is what makes them out of the ordinary.
DeleteA child who dresses like that ... fine.
A kid likes gardening ... fine.
A kid doesn't like rituals ... fine.
A kid says What The ... okayyyy, maybe fine.
A kid is hypersensitive about being weak ... fine, most little boys are that way.
But putting ALL those together, and you get a kid who is a replica of a man who has all the same idiosyncrasies, moreover a man who had a fling with said kid's mom in college, which would be just around the time the kid was conceived ... coincidence much?
Aiyoo - yeh to MU ho gaya -
Deleteno no Sandy did not mean ASR should leave if ASR is his son - what i meant was that I FEAR that BS is leaving so the CV are going down this route - otherwise of course he should not leave if ASR (J) is his son - this boy came into the picture way way before KKG came into his life so he is not cheating on her (the only thing i cant forgive)
Jaya - what i was trying to say was exactly what Opti wrote - temperaments may or may not be inherited but mannerisms and things usually are imbibed
(And before i blush at the compliments - thanks Sandy but i cant take all the credit - have a very supportive family and sometimes (balki mostly) it feels like my mom is the one raising my daughter and i am only helping!!)
Dia,
ReplyDeleteAfter a long time the suspense is intriguing. The last it was this intriguing was just before the terrace scene and the whole suspense where I was like pls anything but a hate marriage, anything but a hate marriage. similar feelings now though the fervour in watching and looking for hidden meanings is not so high.
I stick by what I said to you in my lastly comment above. Just like Garima became the other woman in his father's life, why is it inconceivable that Aarav is Arnav's son. Yes that means Arnav's first child will not be with Khushi. Yep he had an illegitimate child which kind of condemns him like his father.
But and this is the big one to keep ASR intact, IMO, he had a son but he did not know. Because Arnav knowingly abandoning a child and its mother goes against the grain of the man he has been potrayed to be. I am not so keen on an MU now. Rather how do they deal with the tsunami they are hit with knowing this is a love story will be a good watch.
SN: Can they please have Arshad back in time for the high passion scenes. Or make sure LM is on top of things at least. The interpretation if top notch will leave goosebumps.
Dia,
DeleteI know the issus with Aarav turning into Arnav's son. What is there are more? So I would in that case like to believe Sheetal was his gf in collee, college ended they parted ways. He setup business, met La and they wre going out. Finally met Khushi and he found his solmate for life - 3rd time lucky :)
The long list was just to rile Khushi up and perhaps gals in college who crushed after him. He kept them all at bay by going out with Sheetal.
As for stigma of Khushi having to bear a step child, thee is the pain of Arnav living with Garima being the other woman albeit wronged but still the 3rd wheel in his parnets lives that Arnav will live with.
ANd frankly for a change, let it be as Arnav said, they both realized it was not love and broke up. Sheetal discovers she is pregannt, decides to have the baby and raises him. Matter closed.
Toda her edginess rises from Arnav seemingly having changed, being married and doing well - so if he comes to know she stands to lose the child to him in a custody battle.
The child has been brought up without a father thus far. If his mum were to remarry the child would gradually learn to accept the new man as a father. And hence it would be cool to see NK and Sheetal hit it off and getting hooked off and moving back to Sydney.
Things I do not want to see:
Sheetal plotting and Khushi using her detetcivegiri skills to "rescue" Arnav from her clutches.
Khushi bringing up the possibility or Aarav being his son basis how their subsequen 'Sheetal' convos go due to all the similarities
Khushi fighting an inner battle and realizing that her man has a diff set of ideals from her (does not make them wrong) but he always does right by people so he is no character dheela.
She can be angry, upset, confused, conflicted anything but MUing him, giving him up to Sheetal are strict Nos
She wants to go to GH, tells him so as she needs a change and he lets her go. (GH steps pe chaai ki pyaali shiddat ke liye scope)
At Gh Khushi will be reminded of Garima accepting Payal - her husband's child and having loved her with all her heart. Buaji can rage aginst Arnav but Garima will speak of his true heart and how much he loves Khushi.
And like Arnav at the mandap - Khushi comes back to Arnav because she wants to live with him - kyunki aap par sirf humaara haq hai samjhe aap :)
After all like Rekha says, agar sab jaankar pyaar kiya toh kya pyaar kiya.
hayee kya stoty likhi aapne! (applause)
DeleteLike the story Ha ji ! What after she comes back? Arnav pays maintenance and has visitation rights to the child... and Sheetal is happy with that ? can happen in a foreign serial..but can it happen on an Indian serial?
DeleteAsh,
DeleteASR cannot have known of the child until now. Else I cannot love ASR anymore.
Once he knows, what he will do will depend on what Sheetal wants. If she wants him out he will stay out but he would want to stay in touch. He will accept the child and even be willing to give him his name.
But the family and Khushi are not going to be ok with this. NK will support Arnav.
The family will want him to perhpas marry Sheetal and give them a family. But ASR is not going to give in. His life is with Khushi. She is going to go emo on him with the
Given that it is a Hindi serial, there will be a lot of drama no doubt. But the child need not ruin the serial and if handled like La it can be a new way to look at things.
Simply put,
Sheetal does not love ASR anymore though she does not deny the child is his. She has no intention of marrying him. If he insists on financial support she will accept as he too has rights.
The child needing a father's name, ASR will agree to name the child as his in any case. Sheetal may agree or rather that the child takes the name of the man she will eventually start to love and wants to spend her life with. Well NK can like Sheetal for her spirit and willingness to be a single mum and propose they become a couple and she follows him to Australia. The child guesses at the truth, perhaps Arnav sits him down and tells him some of it but the child is cool that he gets to stay with his mum like he has been all this while. ANd he tells Arnav he will learn to put up with NK ;)
Just as everyone is about to leave for Australia, Arnav calls up Khushi "one last time" to tell her he is granting her her wish, Aarav will have a family and a father. Sheetal and Aarav leave for Australia that night. Khushi quickly thinks Arnav is leaving. First is all humein koi faraq nahi padhta and then goes beserk ealizing she is going to lose Arnav forever. Tears down to the airport to see plane takeoff and then a hand on her shoulder..Arnav has not left.
ANd then Arnav says they are going somewhere - for their long pending honeymoon and drags her off to board thier personal chopper to a nice romantic destination. (time for UK visit??)
ArHilicious episodes and then we come back for more nautanki (Chacha + Shyam attack on the company?)
Fandom well can scream all we like, it is the TRP aunties they will be still majorly pleasing to ensure that the show has a good watchbase at the end of the TRP sabbatical. SP is no juvenile there unlike fandom.
SN: If someone can take logical thinking, I guess this will be a good alternate career for me :P
Alternatively Ash,
DeleteBcos it is a Hindi serial, well another possibility could be:
the test results will be shown negative (I am still holding back on Sheetal becoming a vamp). But Khushi is not going to be convinced. Perhaps she learns that these results have a % margin of error so the negative results could be a mistake.
Its a given that Arnav and Sheetal would have had some sort of physical intimacy as part of seeing each other further fuelling Khushi's thoughts. Sheetal may have married soon after she left Arnav.(Much like in Jeffrey Archer's latest series) Yes she has trained Aarav to be like Arnav bcos Arnav was her role model and love.
If Khushi finds Arnav and Sheetal non responsive to her, Khushi is going to set about fixing the problem her way and end up making a raita hurting people in the process (I wish is baar plan flop ho taaki she realizes ki har baar she cannot get away with sanak though her heart maybe in the right place.) Plus what is it with TV bahus and all thier suspicions always coming true. EVer heard of apne haathon se apne ghar main aag lagaana!
Finally Arnav cottons onto her exact gameplan and steps in setting it all right all around. Khushi realizes that though his ideaologies differ he does not have loose morals and nothing matters more to her than the fact that she loves him needs him realizing that he has made her special by making her the only woman who has the right to him - mind heart body and soul.
All great plots- logical and plausible and believable. Your creative juices are really flowing!
DeleteWish the Cvs thought like this!
sandy,
Deletehugs...
i am all for this track making this a point of 'she loves him needs him realizing that he has made her special by making her the only woman who has the right to him - mind heart body and soul.'
but don't misuse the kid for that....let it be a case of sheetal having never thot she would meet him one day and find him married...let her fidgetiness be a result of her worry on being questioned why did she bring up aarav like this when he is not arnav's kid....let K worry and let arnav worry..let them have a scare but let them still look in to their eyes and tell us one more time why rabba vey is so special to this love story....and after that we will happily say goodbye to this tale if they want to end it and then if sP want to SPfy their serial, let them do that and all those happy for that let them stay on and see it, bs or no bs,
Rekha,
DeleteThis conflict if handled well can be given a nayi soch treatment as well as the haunting 4th promo track.
ASR believed what he saw - prrof. Khushi always follows he heart proof or no proof.
Madhura is an average actor and she cannot carry heavy duty emoting. Keep her role o be teh catalyst and ArHi taking the major brunt and worrying like you said. There being a child makes both vulnerable because of their backgrounds.
I think the femmale RV is gonna come into play
Kyun nazrein teri yun anjaan hai
Aankhein hain meri bhi num
Kyun paakar bhi tumko khoya hai
Hum kyun na ban paaye hum
SN: So does this mean we will again get shots of them in bed, perhaps her taekwondo poses, holding hands, looking at the other as the otehr sleeps bcos no hanky panky mood once the storm hits?
Ash,
DeleteTherein lies the fear that I am thinkign logical - But are the CVS :P
Well one can always hope :)
If the nayi soch is not working they will damn the 3rd woman, finally prove the kid is not his and Khushi would hav learnt to accept Arnav's beliefs.
SN: One request can they please have a moment when the elders think about or in private speak of how in their hurry they almost messed and scarred a child for life. I know they missed mentoring Anji but dount jump like kangaroos. Hopping like a rabbit is not all bad!
wah wah - u are on a roll today :D
DeleteBTW - completely agree with you - ASR did not know of Aarav's existence - otherwise the CT does not know their own creation - if ASR even had an inkling (even if he knew she was pregnant and had asked / thought she had had for an abortion) then he is not the man he was made out to be - then i cant like him anymore - completely agree
Also - i think that if sheetal is not a vamp - they will have her go the kajol way - as in thinking she had done her tough bit now it was her rigth to win back ASR! (from a movie - cant remember the name - was a really stupid one where she has a one night stand with Ajay Devgand and has a child she gives up for adoption - and then Ajay and his wife actually adopt the kid - she comes back to meet her kid - finds Devgand and starts talking about his love etc etc - she had met him for one night on a train!!!! what love??? what understanding????)
girls,
ReplyDeleteu all have been busy today making posts, story ideas comments, and counterposts....looks like i have to spend some time reading all of them clearly before i can respond to any single post. btw, i did skim thru all posts
mads, happy u settled in...also happy u have the heart to see it as a khushi-centric story if it so emerges as that.....teach us the mantra, girl....i am also a huge san fan but somehow for me this story has always had an asr perspective...while K being the beacon in the journey of that man..... but i can well imagine San (not Khushi) being the only factor for the story to have significance without ASR...her tears at diwali still is an indelible memory for me...chap chuka hain woh pal mere dimag mein!
sandy....girl where were u and now u come write a big post which i have to read carefully....some small points...
strangely, y'day i thot of a scene in the movie "masoom' where there is a cricket match and saaed jaffrey's kid and NS's kids are playing...jugal hansraj the kid plays a lovely shot or gets the other kid out and NS almosts jumps in joy exclaiming pride at "beta kiska " and then there is that awkward moment for him and SA....
yes,but all said and done, a kid is not a "issue" (pun unintended) that can be sorted out, rationalised, put in back burner or resolved....the kid is a living reminder and part of one's flesh and blood...irrespective of how he was conceived, (out of physical need or love or deceit or moment of madness, or behoshi(??))he certainly must not be part of this situation except as a catalyst.
i hope the CVs deal with this more sensitively than they have accorded to other matters in their serial...don't bring up an sensitive matter to make a drama when u don't have the intention to make a serious point....
This situation of arnav's alleged physical relationship is expected to draw sharp views on either side..my own views are that if we had to have guarantees before we fell in love, then it would be a very difficult affair...falling in love is an irrevocable feeling, and u want that feeling to last forever and even if it changes hues...(due to life's knocks,pressures of the real world, unforseen circumstances of the shit-all variety etc), u would it to stand the test of time....some stay on and fight...some think the heartbreak is too difficult to manage and would want to get off the bus....BUT ALL THAT IS FOR THE REAL WORLD....IN SKDs, i would expect that the sanctity of a love tale be maintained....let everytime arnav looks at khushi's eyes, the shadow of any such past be so far behind that it should only be a fading memory that taught them what they really mean to each other....please Cvs, don't take that away from us....
Rekh,
DeleteYou talked about 'Masoom'.
All I could think of yesterday was alaipaayuthe', the difference in their worlds...that drove them apart in spite of the wonderful way they came together...and how a tragedy brought them back together...truly, one of my favorite movies...Sandy's too, I think.
yes su,
Deletealaipayuthe was wonderful movie....it tackled post marriage scenario in a very beautiful way....a situation of humdrum coming in and tragedy making them realise what love is really all about...
My point is that only....in the real life, humdrum sets in but u find romance in that too and sometimes u chug along, sometimes u race along...., sometimes u break, sometimes u get up and fight...
ok, not sure whether these scenarios may be attractive enuf for audiences for daily viewing...and therefore i appreciate the need for drama...else why was there a need for shakti to have that accident for karthik to realise what was it all about.....
but drama in a story like arhi that hits at the core of their love story...then we sit up and think....
J,
ReplyDelete"and yes, for the moment, i am definitely liking sheetal's characterization. her introvert behaviour, her downplaying the past, her reaction to the family.. nice girl!".
same feelings here.
Rekh,
I said 'scary' above. This is the reason.
This could be just K's jealousy track.
Afterall we have been promised that ASR is not ASR's kid. I somehow feel like believing this since it came from Mishti. And she did say that they will make it look like the kid might be his, and that is what is happening now.
Dia talked about the layering of characters in IPK with the exception of Khushi.
ASR has been revealed to us fully, I feel. I mean, with his overlooking Garima, we know nothing will shake him now. Plus, all thru this track, he cannot stop admiring her or loving her even for a second.He makes jalebis, launches into BW type lines...I am not fearing anything on that front...other than him being irritated with K, when he knows of her mistrust in him?
The SCARY bit is Khushi.
K can stand ASR manhandling her, MUing her, ditching her...but this is HUGE...the fact that he had feelings for Sheetal itself is big. It will be, for a girl from her bg. And she has already started putting things together, wheras the rest of the family who has seen the similarities have just brushed it away. For K, each revelation has been driving the point further.
K is jealous, rightly so. And it is not going to go away as long as Sheetal is single and works with ASR. K will not be able to see their 'friendship' from HIS POV.
It is like ASR told dadi, in my society, K is known as KKGSR. But in K's duniya, the marriage was not valid without the phere. That difference is going to stay on in this track also.
What is acceptable and well within limits for ASR will not be so for K. Sheetal obviously behaves like she never got over him, but she wants to keep a safe distance. If K gets aware of Sheetal's feelings and MUs ASR's friendship with her in the slightest way, and the kid falls sick or something and ASR shows genuine care...I am not talking of a mahaan K. I am also worried about a slightly jealous K who might jump to conclusions (that she does otherwise also).
The scary bit here, for me, is K. I don't know which way they will make her go. I am not seeing a Sheetal who will turn more than a slight shade of insecure, jealous, arrogant grey- a colour that ASR's proximity might bring out.
These guest appearances will never have much layers probably, I'd like to think it is more about Khushi.
She has seen something- the similarities in ASR and ASR.
She has heard something- ASR's confession that he had a fling.
I agree with Dia, this track has immense potential. It can go so many ways.
Two things I badly want:
1. I hope ASR and Sheetal did not have a physical relationship. I know it is too much to ask for. But I'll be happy if they don't even touch up on that point.
2. I don't want to see a mahaan K, unless there is a really VALID reason (the CVs will have to work really hard here) for her to believe ASR and ASR are better off without her.
Su,
DeleteThis track is Khushi centric. And yes she is going to jump before he looks.
Khushi has to at some point realize why she could not bear to see La with ASR though she never gave it much thought and bringing them together was what she had come for.
Sometimes I wonder if that dialogue she made to ASR about how DM had held his hand and written hsi destiny will actually come back to haunt Khushi herself - DM's bhakht who has been missing all the big signs DM has sent her way.
I support you, I do not want a mahaan K except in perhaps acepting SR idealogies and all - no moral policing on how his way was right wrong etc. His way is his way right in his world even if not the same as hers!
SN: Alaipayuthe is an all time fav. Esp that one scene where karthik sees a hubby consoling his wife whi has caused the acciden that all will be well and Shakti will be fine. Enquiring if his wife was fine. At the same ime trying to support him, a distraught husband.
It was at that moment the meaning of marriage came home to him. Holding your partner's hand at all times - through good times and bad, through tough spots and romantic moments knowing that together we can face it and walk past it..
Su,
DeleteLa is the finest temp side character in IPK land. Well sketched and consistently maintained. The changes in her totally plausible and a good example of how prgressive thinking young women.
su,
Deletei have said this often enuf, u know that one of the high points i expected this story to explore is their differences from where they come....and how do they deal with it...there are different ways to do it and some would be cliched too...
presently, if i were not worried abt the off-screen drama, i would say...they are tackling this in a very diff manner within the constraints of a drama on telly medium.(forget who aarav is for the moment)..
khushi has traditional views on marriage and physical intimacy etc...arnav has his own views...we see some action here where both povs are out there in the open...
i would say if arnav can understand her insecurities and if K can understand arnav's perspective, of the past belonging in the past...of the need to hold on to the present....the track would reach a high point...
but with them having been given a rough jolt when all scenarios are being played out...
one may well ask if we can accept that asr had a physical relationship what is the harm in accepting that he sired a child?
here comes the dichotomy...
every physical relationship does not lead to a child...and nowhere has asr been seen as a person who would have been in such a relationship as a commitment to be together...his partner would have known the score and so technically, they both had a responsibility to be careful if they were intimate...if they were not....and only one of them knew of the issue...how does the other address it years later when he has moved on in life? socheka padi....
Sandy,
DeleteI somehow cannot consider La as a side character, because she was there in the beginning. I know that she is not coming back in any way other than probably the IPK party after the serial ends.
Fully agree with you that La was very well sketched. But I don't expect the writer to go through the same pains for Sheetal, she will be in btn La and Babli, definitely better than the latter track.
Rekh,
Delete'one may well ask if we can accept that asr had a physical relationship what is the harm in accepting that he sired a child?
here comes the dichotomy...':
Why am I blind to this aspect? Why do I blindly believe this child is not his?
I will be in for a rude jolt if it turns out to be. LOL.
But I am really thankful I can be blind to the off screen drama. I just feel we have blown it out of proportion. There is too much smoke around, for all you know the fire may have died out also. I feel BS nmay not leave, and if he leaves I am pretty sure the serial will be wrapped up nicely. Will Sanaya want to play a Khushi minus ASR?
when i talked of rough jolt, in the story i would want that all possibilities be out in open...including the one when arnav has a doubt and what that causes for him as sandy described....it will teach him that situations need to be verified before judgement is pronounced..like the one he did for his father..(let him go thru some worry on that account...let him strive to get himself exonerated becos he spent some time just pronouncing judgements for all, that his father turns out a cad or not is a inconsequential matter!)
Deleteat the same time, let k learn to assert some of her haq or let her deal with as maturely as she can...just some of her silent treatment can make our bitwa crazy...
But greedy me also wants that the kid be kept away from this as the tamasha plays out...i hate for those scenarios....imagine poor guy will be thinking he gets a father and then poof maybe, maybe not will happen...just talk abt don't show him on screen when u have these convos....and another one....if arav is arnav's kid....can we have spoiler so that i can resolve not to watch another frame becos kitna bhi main boloon....meri arhi mujhe ek piece main chahiye.....call it my hypocrisy...
its not that i don't understand that the real world will call for compromises, adjustments and understanding in such scenarios and anyone who can deal with it with composure,grace is worthy of praise. Its just that i am possessive of ARHI.bas keh diya!!
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she mentions everything i wanted to say... and then some more.
j,
Deleteit is a very beautiful post....
honestly if this was just a serial we watched like some other, the focus should have been exactly on the aspects made in the post...its not that it was not apparent to most of us...it was...and where it did not strike us, one of us brought that into picture.....
unfortunately, j the spoiler games from feb onwards have made this a habit for us...where we have let imagination take flight each time...at one level it has heightened our love for this serial but equally the poor execution many times (on that i will not accept that it was all clear, it was all sewn up, agreed) has made us wary of what follows and our irrational fears have taken over...
even yesterday...despite the dread in my heart, when aRHI were on screen...there was pure magic....there was gud drama even before that....when sheetal was on screen..they have made sit up and think of the poignancy of the tale....but i will not hesitate to say...arhi is what made me fall in love with iPK...not anything else...i cannot feel for sheetal more than arhi....
so if ARHI are there for each other, whichever way, i don't care even if aarav is arnav's kid..if they can sell the arhi dream in that scenario too, i am all for it....if Khushi can happily live with arnav as aarav's kid...who am i to judge them on that score? let it be a their story at the end of it...
J / Rekha,
DeleteThat day when Khushi came to get her mehendi altered were ArHi in the same costumes as yday?
The first time Arnav was kidding about if he leaves her hand he will not hold it again and she hugged him and totally lost herself in him. When she told him she was hurt about what he said and how he yelled at her.
Today again she caught him poking fun at her but what gave him glee both times was how Khushi displayed her anger and chtapataoed at having to share him or not have him around.
That was the day of Tume aur Main humeshaa..Always!!
A post I really liked on IF ... read the replies if you have time. Both sides of the argument presented very well and in great detail.
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Most of my thoughts ... this is a very grey area actually, and if Aarav is Arnav's son, there can be no absolutely right or wrong decisions ... in all, Aarav stands to lose out.
If Khushi decides to step out of the way, and let Arnav and Sheetal be together for Aarav's sake ... Aarav gets a home with his real parents, but his father does not love his mother, he loves another woman, and always will.
If Arnav refuses to let Khushi leave, or if Khushi herself decides she will fight for her marriage, then eventually Arnav and Sheetal come to an agreement about visitation rights, holiday sharing etc., much like divorced parents. Again Aarav suffers - he gets a dad and a loving home on one side, and a mom alone on the other side. And his loyalties get divided ... so far he only had his mother, and while he has an attitude problem, he otherwise seems a well-balanced kid.
Either way, he knows for sure that his father never really loved his mom, and he was just a mistake.
Next person to suffer is Khushi ... just starting off her married life after so many trials, she is hit with another one, and has to adjust to the idea of a stepchild in her life ... and probably some kind of adjustment with the child's mother. So she has another woman always in her married life.
Now this happens when marriages break up and partners re-marry, but then they know what they're signing up for, they know already of their partner's past ... like Garima knew about Payal. Khushi did not. She knew about Lavanya, she mentally accepted Arnav wasn't a virgin (maybe she knew for a fact by now ;) ) ... but knowing about nameless, faceless women in your husband's past is all very well if they stay in the past ... NOT if they come into the present.
contd ...
DeleteSheetal and Arnav ... they are the guilty parties, both of them. I would say Sheetal more than Arnav, because regardless of anything, Arnav deserved to know of his child's existence and be given the choice to decide his fate. Sheetal made the decision alone, and that puts her in the wrong. So her trying to win over Arnav now is also wrong ... if she made the decision 7-8 years ago, she has no business trying to change it now ... especially when she sees that Arnav is married now. So her trying to stay away from Arnav is understandable for me - her leaving RM quickly, refusing the job at AR ...
Should she now tell Arnav about his child? Well, he does have the right to know ... so I can't say she is making making trouble if she does tell him. Depends what her reason for telling him is - if she's hoping to break Arhi and get her toes in the door, it's wrong, but can I fully blame her for making an attempt? Since Arnav's views on marriage seem to have changed since she last knew him? Of course its wrong ... she can see Arhi are in love ... but its still understandable, I wouldn't call her a vamp just for doing that. It depends then what extent she goes to.
Arnav ... he is guilty of nothing more than carelessness. If he and Sheetal parted amicably, then he would have expected she would tell him if any consequences happened. I can't really blame him ... but he will be in a bind. It would be difficult for him to refuse to have any dealings with his kid, in fact, he would want to and he would be justifiably angry with Sheetal for leaving him in the dark so many years. And knowing Khushi, he would expect that Khushi would accept Aarav ... after the initial shock had worn off. But I do want him to feel guilty as hell about it, and to know that it is very difficult for Khushi. And for Khushi to give him a tough time ... not in terms of accepting Aarav, but in terms of taking her own sweet time to come to terms with the fact.
And all this can play out for some time ... and then if Sheetal and Aarav are cameos, then finally it can come out that Aarav is not actually Arnav's after all ... and that Sheetal was just trying her luck with Arnav ... like I mentioned - the EXTENT to which she went to try and keep Arnav in her life.
exactly, Dia,
Deletethats why i said when the cvs started this story, i hope they don't want make a serious point without following thru...
1)whats the point of showing aarav as arnav's kid if he has to stay with sheetal only....
2)whats the point of showing aarav as arnav's kid if he has to live with arnav and sheetal....meaning what happens to arhi then/
3)whats the point of showing aarav as arnav's kid if he has to stay with arnav and khushi....meaning his mom will be forgotten.
so, if the cvs have to sell a story when any of the above scenarios work out.....its not about catering to individual sensibilities of viewers becos u cannot cater to all sensibilities in any case but u have to stick to ur point in the story which to begin with was a arhi love story...esp when u went to extreme lengths to point that out...love like never before ....hope anyone handling this track remembers that...even the approving authority....
Very true, Rekha ... I really hope the cv's have thought this through completely.
DeleteThe way I see it, either - most likely - Aarav is not Arnav's son at all, and the cv's will go the cliched way of regular vamp ... well, they turned Shyam into regular black villain after starting off as a very layered character, so this could happen ...
Or Sheetal herself goes away for good because of some genuine reason, maybe another cliche, a fatal illness, so she wanted her son to have a home ... leaving Aarav with a new family and no divided loyalties ... retaining Sheetal as a good character after giving her some shades of grey through the track ... like La.
And this would be very much like Dil Kya Kare ... Kajol, the real mother, who had a one night stand with Ajay D, did create MU's between him and his wife, she got tempted into hoping that she could make a place for herself ... but eventually she left. The difference there was that the child had already been adopted by Ajay and his wife, so it wasn't a disruption for the child.
Dia,
DeleteNice post.
It made me wonder. Would Shyam really have succeeded had the Guptas refused to force their daughter?
Like you said let us wait and see how they unravel it hereon.
Talking of brainless heroes, our T.V. shows are all full of them. The only one I have come across with more brains than one would credit him for is the nineth-standard pass hero of the lamp and wick show. I hate the show for its loud characters, especially the loud mouthed and rigid mom-in-law who believes a woman's place is in the kitchen and the bedroom but I would have to admit that the hero, though a guy for whom his mom means the world, is one sensitive guy. The scene where he accidentally comes to know of his wife's dreams of becoming an IPS officer and has to make a speech about how proud he is of her winning an award for countering terrorist attack was really moving as he is so chocked for words, empathising with all that she has gone through because she got married to him. In his own quiet way he keeps battling for the rights of his wife. Although at times I just want him to be more forceful with his dominating mother I guess given his background whatever he is doing itself can be considered brave. If only I can ignore that dominating dragon, I would enjoy that show more but that woman just gets on my nerves as does the dumb heroine who is doing nothing to further her cause.
ReplyDeleteopti, tho i don't watch the show but i can relate to why it is trp no 1 simply becos their story telling would be focussed on relating their point of the woman's unfulfilled dream aided by the partner...and their travails thereon......
Deletefor the audience it caters to in the rural areas and probably urban areas too, there would be a resonance that a woman's dream is even being heeded to in first place and perhaps in a non-intrusive way (satyagrahi kind of movement, if u will). in places where many don't ever stop to think of themselves, it must be one huge morale-booster...
i can't relate to the patience people can have to make their legitimate concerns known in the set-up altho i also know for some there is very little choice. I used to always joke abt it saying...'its like u can be anything u want if u MIL gives u the blessing not otherwise".., thats the message given by shows like this
OMG.. has to be ragini's best work ever!!!
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