Monday, April 30, 2012

Random Ramblings

Am annoyed about the news of BS working on a movie, so am rambling here big time. I probably won't make any sense - ignore this post if you don't agree - it's purely a venting spot :)

Maybe I'm just being selfish, but I hold to my first reaction - it's a tad unprofessional of Barun to take up a movie, however small a role, while he's working as lead on a daily soap. Movies are a huge commitment, it's easy to say that he will give 4 hours there and 8 hours on IPK - what about nitty-gritties like travel time and waiting time? Bollywood and Tellywood are not so organized in India that the shoots start and end on time and the timing can be coordinated like clockwork ... from my one stint at watching a movie shoot on location, I remember that hours are spent just waiting around for the scenes to be set up. And if Barun is not the lead, which is likely, then he would be the one waiting around on the leads, they wouldn't work to his convenience - neither them nor the rest of the unit. So IPK would definitely suffer - yes, I am being selfish here, I'd rather watch a halfway decent show every day than wait for a movie I know nothing about.

And if IPK suffers, it would probably be better for Barun to leave the show than work on both sides half-heartedly. Which brings me to another issue - the timing of the movie. It's almost a year since IPK started, and the actors would have signed contracts for one year - which means renewal is coming up. Is Barun going to renew his contract with IPK? Or will he decide to strike while the iron is hot, take advantage of the huge fame that IPK has brought him and cash in on movie offers?

Again, IMO it would be a short-sighted move. But two sides to the coin here. The recent actors who have had this kind of adulation and success on the small screen are KSG and Gurmeet C - both were on Star One, so it was difficult to gauge their actual popularity in the general audience. GC is still on TV, although he has made it known that he will shift to Bollywood once this current soap is done. He seems to be the more sensible one, taking it very slowly and carefully and not letting his tv commitments suffer due to his movie ones. Though I believe he did do a movie role during the fag end of Geet, and was missing for some chunks, it was worked into the storyline, and he committed to the movie only when he thought Geet would have ended - it got extended, so he managed both.

KSG has come a cropper - he let all the fame and adulation go to his head, became completely unprofessional,and has all but disappeared from the small screen, while his big screen attempts haven't borne much fruit either. But again, both were on SO - popularity more among the online audience - difficult to judge popularity among the wider audience. (I'm not talking about the other telly actors who tried the switch - although many were on mainstream channels, I don't remember this kind of mass adulation for any of them  - although I might be mistaken, I was out of touch with Indian tv for years.)

While Barun is on Star Plus, a mainstream channel and there's no doubt about his popularity among the general audience. However, the big question is still Bollywood per se ... it doesn't work on talent alone ... it works on connections and on luck. And 90% of the movies made are pretty crappy - I don't think I've seen one impressive movie this year (apart from Kahaani), and we're almost into May already. A lot of Bollywood actors are making the reverse shift - from big to small screen. So what holds such a draw for the tellywood actors?

Leaving that aside, and going back to Barun and the timing of this news ... so is he planning to leave IPK? And is that why the story has stagnated in the last two-three months? When Shilpa was leaving DMG, the same thing had happened ...( again, another actress who got a lot of fame and adulation, she ventured into Bollywood and end of her story!)

Or - another possibility - the news is completely false. Don't the actors have to sign a contract, and wouldn't they be forbidden to take up any outside work during the duration of the contract? And due to the nature of work in daily soaps, and the time involved, it would be very difficult for any lead to manage work outside of his own show.  And why would the PH and/or the channel allow him to do so? Both would be involved here. The PH I can understand - they would be ready to make some allowances, because of his extreme popularity, they know the show's popularity is due in a large part to Barun's portrayal of ASR, as well as the BS/SI chemistry ... but the channel also? Just in terms of legalities, would they not put their foot down? And as it is, from reports, he takes more takes for his shots - again the timing issue - would he be able to manage the time? So would they allow it? Wouldn't that be a breach of contract? Am pretty sure one of the contract terms would be no outside work unless approved by the channel and the PH - that's a very standard term in any work contract.

And I have never heard of a lead actor of a daily doing a movie alongside - except for Ram Kapoor - but BALH has solid parallal tracks, RK is already an established actor and has been doing movies for some time, he does only supporting roles. None of those apply to Barun - except maybe the last.

Just hope it's not another case of the sudden fame and popularity going to an actor's head, and making him make the wrong moves. And frankly, if he does decide to take the plunge for movies then I would be happier in the long run if he was replaced in IPK. The character ASR is the draw for me - Barun has played him very well and brought him to life, but it's a complex character, and needs the full commitment of the actor. If Barun can't commit completely to it and the show, it would be better for him to leave it. The character is (? or was) so well written, any decent actor would be able to do the role ... and many would jump at the chance. Though it would be tough to build that chemistry again.

Final conclusion - I hope the news is false. :) Though I then can't explain why Barun is looking so tired ... Sanaya should be the one more tired, with her extra work in SPT and canning her shots before her UK trip. Which is what makes me fear the news is true. Unless BS has taken our advice and started khufiya dance lessons - now that would definitely tire him out! :)

50 comments:

  1. http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2955089

    mishti confirmed the news Dia...

    i agree its a bit unprofessional of him..it will affect his performance on the show...should've given it more thought!!

    ReplyDelete
  2. My take on your post Dia- I have always felt that BS came out so well in the show not because of the script but because of his pairing with SI. SI is a brilliant actress and its her acting which he complements gets him noticed. His stand alone acting or with other co star like in his previous show was very average. His dialogue delivery is not that impressive and overall I feel SI is the main reason why he gets noticed.
    I feel going for a movie is a bad decision, he is not that good an actor yet to take the plunge. If it was SI, I would have been jumping with joy! she is a bollywood material for sure.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I agree completely ... hesitate to say it in so many words, because I know I'm biased towards Sanaya ;) but I've always felt she is the much better actor between the two. Am glad to find that it's not only my bias, and that you feel the same.

      Yes, Barun went pretty much unnoticed in his previous show - the character ASR has been beautifully etched, and to give him his due, he has done justice to it, even though he took some time to settle into the character at the start. But I think any good actor could have done the same, because the character itself is so well-written. Where Barun scored was actually in the looks department - he has the sophisticated looks of a tycoon. But we have complained on this blog about his dialogue delivery many times ... in their comic scenes, he works beautifully as a counterfoil to Sanaya's histrionics, she does the bulk of the work.

      That's why I personally would not mind very much if he was replaced - I'd rather have an actor fully committed to the show, so that the story can get a move on, rather than a half-baked commitment, and the storyline dragging because the lead actor can't give it his full attention. And I do believe that Sanaya can strike up a good chemistry with any halfway decent actor - she did with Mohit when he was completely raw, she did it with Barun and he has progressed as an actor during the course of the show ... she will do it again.

      I would be happy for Sanaya if she got a break in Bollywood ... but again my selfishness - am happy she's decided to stick to tv - I love my daily dose of Sanaya, movies are too uncertain, and she would come once every 2-3 years, and honestly, it's a bit late for her, she's already 27-28, she's missed the boat for lead roles, and she looks too young for character roles. I would love to continue watching her on tv on different roles, especially in heroine-oriented shows like the one in NBT ... Opti, I finally caught a glimpse of that show, and I liked it! I plan to catch up with it now!

      But coming back to Sanaya - tellywood is still heroine-oriented, while Bollywood is male dominated - so I'm happy Sanaya is not making the jump. Selfish, I know ... but Sanaya has said the same in her interviews - she's not interested in Bollywood. A case of once bitten, twice shy? - she did Fanaa and wasn't happy with the way her role was cut. And she's smart enough to know that good female lead roles are few and far between in Bollywood.

      Delete
    2. Agree with u Dia...SI is far ahead of BS in acting...
      felt bad she didnt get ny individual award at SPA...she dserved one..
      Sanaya can do it with ny actor but still i think BS leaving will affect the show and its popularity to some extent....

      Ayesha

      Delete
    3. Oh yes, it will affect the show especially in the immediate short term, no doubt about that at all. BS has become the face of ASR - very difficult to imagine any other actor in his place.

      IF they get the story back on track, AND they get a really good actor for the role, they might be able to retrieve it in the long term, but that's TWO big IF's.

      However, they still have a good storyline and lots remaining, they still haven't gone past the first step yet, so it's not impossible, in my view.

      Oh well, let's see whether he actually even leaves or this is all speculation. And even whether the movie news is true at all.

      Delete
  3. Dia , I log into IF Sunday evening and see at least 10 posts dedicated to BS acting in a Bollywood movie. My first instinct to the news is disbelief. Plus is there no lag time between when an actor signs a movie and when shooting for the movie actually starts? If Barun has started shooting already, then this must have been on the works for quite some time now.
    I do somewhat agree with you that it is unprofessional of him to sccept the offer while being fully committed on this very successful daily soap. So logically, it make more sense that he has ratified the idea and the decision with both SP and 4 Lions and have their buy-in. He would have to be very stupid(pardon the french!!) to be burning bridges with SP.
    Like you said , the 8+4 plan sounds good on paper but how practical is it really? No wonder he has been looking so ragged these past few weeks. Maybe this explains why he hasn't had a haircut as yet. There is heaven and hell diference between the ASR pre and during Diwali and the ASR right now. It is very clear that the writers or the PH are unable to move past the MU citing several reasons. At least if the leads look gorgeous , there is motivation to watching the show. These days both Barun and SI are sporting a funny hairstyle. Where are the fashion experts in the PH? Is there nobody focusing on such things?
    Coming to Barun and how successful he will be in Bollywood, I'll reserve my judgement until I have more information on the role. As you pointed out, Barun can't dance and that is a major drawback in Bollywood. He is a great actor, love how he emotes with his eyes, so he would fit in better as a character role than a hero. As you poited out, success in Bollywood is less about acting and more about how much pull you have in the industry. Except for SRK, Vidya, Anushka Sharma and a few others, pretty much everyone else these days comes from an acting family. There's one other guy (Ayushman something..) whose movie did quite well although I haven't seen it yet.
    I'm just disapointed that the IPK family including the PH, writers, actors and the rest of the team seem to have lost their focus on IPK. It is we viewers who are latching on it still even after the crap that they'v been dishing out to us since the past couple of months. We are unable to let go, willing to give them a second, third , God knows how many chances to fix all the issues and bring our show back to it's original glory. Will it ever happen, only time will tell.
    I'm upset and completely agree with your post...

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Sahana,
      I agree with you about the point that if BS has already started shooting for his movie, it was in the pipeline for some time - at least a couple of months if not more. These things don't happen overnight. And it's been a couple of months since the story started stagnating ... is there a connection?

      If things go the Shilpa Anand way, we will know for sure by end May whether BS is staying or going. I have my doubts whether he will stay. From the BS and Arshad iv, it's clear that the writers and director also know the story has stagnated, they can see the falling TRP's, so why would they not be doing something about it ASAP? IPL alone is not a good enough excuse - this might be the reason. Either that BS has less time, and added are Sanaya's commitments in SPT and UK (though both those are channel driven, and not her doing) ... or the writers know he is leaving and are slowing down the story to make the major dhamakas when a new actor enters, to ensure the audience stays hooked to the show and accepts the new actor. Which will be difficult, as BS has become the face of ASR - they have to really go all out if they want to succeed.
      It can be done - DMG changed lead actresses three times, even KTLK has just changed their lead actor, and Pavitra Rishta, Sushant left the show because he wanted to try for movies, and Hiten has come in and been accepted ... but honestly, not too many actors would be fool enough to make a move like this so soon into their show.

      We just have to wait and watch, I guess.

      Delete
  4. btw Dia - Who is KSG? And wich serial is DMG? Wanted to ask you in my first post but Barun tool away my attention :-)
    Whatever it is, if Barun's heart is not in IPK, he should leave, maybe we'll be better off with the story moving and also lowering our expectations. I've said many times before , I'm drawn into this story because of ASR. Everytime I hear Barun speaking in any of his interviews , I realize how different he is from the character he portrays.
    I wish him all the best and hope he has thought through all of this. Would hate to see him fail in Bollywood, phir na ghar ka na ghat ka :-(

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. KSG is Karan Singh Grover, he was the heart throb of millions in his show Dill Mill Gaye on Star One - the first time I have been drawn to a male character on TV based solely on the strengths of the actor (normally I'm always drawn by the actresses). He was brilliant at the start of the show, then his popularity went to his head and he totally lost it. Started coming late on the sets, they had to use BD's lots of times, he took up dance reality shows to improve his own dancing because of Bollywood dreams, and DMG suffered as a result. They finally threw him out, but the fans refused to watch the show and they had to bring him back. This happened about 2-2 1/2 years down the line though, not after barely a year.

      I started watching DMG based solely on a promo I saw of KSG as Dr. Armaan Malik ... he used to emote fantastically with his eyes. He was the first choice for ASR, by the way. His acting in intense romantic scenes and in angst-ridden scenes was the USP of DMG. I still think he's a good actor, but he has messed up his career big time, because of his fame and his philandering.

      Delete
    2. me too watched DMG but when they changed the lead actors it was not the same...

      hope BS dnt go KSG way messing up his career...

      wish him the best if he is going for bollywood and if not he is already getting best with IPK in hand in tellywood...(i mean 4 awards at SPA)

      Ayesha

      Delete
    3. Okay, Thanks Dia. Off to checking out pictures of KSG now.

      Btw Opti - IPK is giving me such los these days, that I'm constantly on the lookout for alternate shows. I saw your recommendation of NBT and luckily caught the ME last weekend. I quite liked what I saw, do plan to follow it now and then. Thanks for the recommendation.

      Delete
  5. The story begins....the show hits....great story,great actors....and then everyone in IPK family got busy with one thing or the other....degrading the show...
    But v are still watching it bcoz of BS/SI acting(such great actors they r) hoping things to improve....but here v are ....even BS got busy with a movie...
    how will he be able to give those intense emotional scenes v all want with limited time to shoot for IPK and that tired look...these scenes demand a lot from the actors...

    even if he leaves the show for good(i dnt think he will unless he is sure of his position in bollywood - bollywood is so unpredictable) it is going to effect the show how so ever big dhamakas may come with the new actor... the crackling chemistry between BS/SI was one of the main reasons the show is a big hit...
    yes Sanaya can pull it off with ny actor but still i feel it will effect the show and its popularity to somne extent....

    as u say Dia... v have to wait and watch...and hope for good(not expecting best now with shyam truth revelation delayed by one more week)...

    Ayesha

    ReplyDelete
  6. Dia I watched MJHT ..... Had to after so many references ..... Watched episodes randomly ..... Mohit can't act .... Beginning I was wondering why he was even selected ....later he did improve but nothing that great and he looked like a kid more for serials in Disney than mainstream show ...... After watching those few episodes one has to respect Sanaya and her talent and to what I hear from you guys SG had a great fan following ......Must be Sanaya's doing

    I never really bothered watching serials with such devotion before .... 2 episodes of BHPH was enough for me to never go back to it .....there was nothing to like in it .......lead lady with no head and no voice and lead guy a spoilt, no head, voice in wrong places with no idea of whether they are coming or going ..... I am surprised to find out that it crossed 150 episodes .....186 last episode

    I once heard in one of SaRun's interview that SP has not passed IPK budget, I think its done yearly ..... IPK is nearing a year so what does that mean???

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Sama,
      In spite of being a Monaya/SaJan fan, I totally agree with you on Mohit :D - he could not act, especially at the start. Later he did improve, but I think partly because his character changed - from being an arrogant cool dude, which he could NOT carry at all, to just a sweet guy - which he managed, because I think in real life, that's what he is. By the time MJHT ended, he was decent, but Sanaya was always streets ahead of him, and to give him credit, he always acknowledged that she helped him a lot to learn the art of acting.

      But that was the reason that after it ended, I was never keen to see Monaya together - I wanted Sanaya with a good co-star, one who could act and who looked good opposite her - again agree completely, Mohit looks like a kid, no way he could have carried off anything like an ASR. So I was very happy to see her with Barun - Barun is damn good-looking and looks all MAN - essential for ASR. And I wanted her in an emotional love story, because however good she is in comedy, it's her emotional scenes which really rock ... a two-minute scene on Friday has got everyone sad for Khushi again, even after all her irritating antics for weeks before!

      I will post some scenes of when Gunjan hooked me to Sanaya's acting - I didn't even like her initially, and I think, similar to Barun and ASR, it took her time to get into the character of Gunjan, because it was 180 degrees from her own - a complete opposite. But once she got into the skin of the character, she just wow'ed me ... everything she did was perfect Gunjan, not a trace of Sanaya. Watching her off-screen segments actually made me realize what a good actress she was ... and she made Gunjan very different from the usual weepy crying females on Indian telly too.

      Never watched BHPH except for half an episode when IPK was announced - to check who and what BS was, and whether he would be good opposite Sanaya. He was very average in that, completely unremarkable, actually - but I also saw a couple of his Hero ads, and they gave me more confidence.

      SP has a budget for IPK? Do they finance the shows? Is that the interview in which Barun mentioned the cv's are worried because of financial issues, so cut them some slack?

      Delete
  7. Morning Girls!

    So there is some clear annoyance at Barun's Bollywood venture...

    Personally I'm happy for him. I just hope he knows what he's doing because Bollywood is a tricky place...so many actors turn out to be a one hit wonder and after that it’s near impossible to get back to good television roles. Some thoughts

    1. Barun looking tired...Honestly I blame the stylist more than shooting schedule for this. As you girls pointed out earlier Barun took longer to do his shots and in the initial phases of the show he was shooting almost 14 hours to get his shots right. Now he's grown as an actor but even when he was shooting 14 hrs a day he looked great. The tired look will disappear if he would just shave and get a decent haircut and quit with the gel. Honestly the PH needs to do something about the lead actors look thats totally on them not the actors. I feel so bad for Sanaya too...she had to get hair extensions for this role and the least they can do is give her a decent stylist! grrr.

    2. Changing the lead...I think this is a lose-lose situation...I watch this show for Sanaya and Barun. The story is decent and the characters were great but now the story has stagnated and characters compromised the draw is basically Arhi. If they change Arnav now they are going to lose a huge chunk of their younger female audience. The story is just not strong enough right now.

    My main reason for not wanting the lead to change is Sanaya. It's her show too!! IMO 60% her, 30% him and 10% timing of the show, channel's reach etc. f he leaves the show will suffer and SI will suffer!! not fair! Yes SI cn build a chemistry with anyone she's an amazing actress and she'll easily get a lead in another show but she's done such a great job with this show why should she suffer?? Barun wants to dabble his hand at Bollywood- no problem. Tell him to work harder and not compromise IPK and SI!!

    Also I honestly got the impression (from Noreen Khan's interview) that Barun is a pretty grounded sensible guy. Obviously fame and fortune can turn anyone's head but I've read interviews of Ranjeev Khandelwal and googled KSG when you guys were discussing SI attending his wedding, both came off quite cocky...whereas Barun kept insisting the credit is not his alone and genuinely seems more sensible. Arnav isn't his doing alone, it's Gul, the directors, SI and partially (hmph) the stylist's making but Barun has done a good job so credit where its due, he's worked hard and is quite young so I cant grudge him his shot at Bollywood. Everyone has career aspirations… its like turning down a better position at another bigger better firm because you're well settled in your present firm and don't know how you'll do there-you might blend into obscurity and never make partner or with hard work and luck wind up partner at a much bigger firm- its a risk which is really his call.

    I'm pretty sure they can manage both a movie and IPK...he may not be the lead in the movie but he is in IPK so they should be able to work around his timings. He's just going to work really hard..but if you don't work hard in your 20's and 30's then when will you right?


    ctd..

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Gargi,
      I'm happy for Barun too, and the guy has the right to make his career choices ... plus, he's young enough to make the move and strike while the iron is hot, as I said - he's gained a huge amount of popularity with the show, and he wants to cash in on it, fair enough.

      But I do feel it's a tad unprofessional - the others who've made the plunge have left their shows before signing/starting their movies - the most recent example is Sushant Singh Rajput - the guy is a very decent actor and he wanted to try Bollywood - fair enough. He left his pretty successful show - he took a risk but his show didn't suffer for it. And any corporation has that statute - you don't work for anyone else while you're working with us. If you want to try something different, it's at your own risk.

      So Barun has all the right to try for Bollywood, but then he should be bold enough to take the risk and leave IPK. Not carry on and make the show suffer. And maybe he is doing that - that might be the reason for the stagnating storyline, that he is working out a notice period. I have seen this happen before, so am mentally preparing myself for the worst.

      As for looking tired - agree with you that a lot of it is due to his stylist - his look at the start of the show, and especially around Diwali was fantastic ... now he looks positively scruffy - what with the long hair, the gel and the unkempt look. You can look smart in Tshirts and jeans, suits are not mandatory - you just have to be well-groomed!

      2. Changing the lead - IF the story is stagnating because of Barun, then changing the lead MIGHT - just MIGHT - work in favour IF they get the story going again. But yes, there will be a huge backlash, they have to be prepared for that. Because right now, the main draw is ArHi/SaRun, and even they are losing their sheen, so bad has the story become.

      My main draw for this show is in this order - Sanaya, ASR (the character) and ArHi the couple. Barun has grown on me as ASR, plus of course his fantastic chemistry with Sanaya. Khushi the character is not one I relate to in any great way - I like my heroines more sober and graceful, which is why I always prefer Khushi's more mature moments and emotional scenes. Only Sanaya makes me like Khushi in her madcap moments, otherwise I would have given up on her and the show, ages ago. So Barun being changed would definitely have an impact, but if they retrieved the storyline AND got an equally good actor, I would still continue watching.

      So I totally agree with you, if Barun wants to dabble in Bollywood, good for him, but it would be very unfair if he compromises the show and SI's efforts along with it. SI has given a heck of a lot of herself to this show, except for the last 2-3 months, she has had the bulk of screen space and dialogues, and has worked really, really hard on Khushi, including all the crappy stuff she has to do when Khushi goes insane. I would hate to see her efforts go down the drain because Barun wants to pursue his dreams - if he wants to pursue them, why at her expense. Either he needs to find time outside his IPK commitments or else he should leave the show and then do what he wants, and let a more committed actor take his place. This show is the livelihood of many people, no room for half-hearted efforts here.

      Delete
    2. @Dia…

      I absolutely agree about half hearted efforts. The moment Barun starts coming late for IPK shoot, or in the slightest way compromises IPk he should bow out. But that’s just it…right now my issue with IPK is the story, the editing the uncharacteristicmess of leads… I really feel that Barun and especially Sanaya both go along with whatever inane plotline the conjure and it’s their acting and chemistry which salvages the scenes.

      The moment Barun compromises IPK he should leave but right now I’m not convinced he’s compromising IPK…

      In a corporate job your absolutely right…gotta serve notice period. Quit and then take the next risk…you can’t have your feet in both places….However actors may be the exception…All the friends cast did movies simultaneously, Patrick Dempsey and Catherine Heigl of Grey’s anatomy did a number of movies respectively while still on the show…of course there’s a huge difference they were ensemble shows and Hollywood is far more organized…I can think of one daily soap actress who was a lead…Isla Fisher was the lead on the UK daily soap ‘Home and Away’ and she ventured into movies while still continuing her role on H&A and once H&A wrapped up permanently shifted to movies… so hopefully Barun can too…if not I agree I’d rather he give up IPK and give Bolywood his best shot and leave IPK in the more than capable hand of SI and whoever they replace him with…

      Reasons for watching IPK in descending order for me…

      1. Arhi chemistry (Very few movies have such amazing chemistry…people get confused I think ..Barun is good looking but it’s the chemistry that’s super hot not either of the actors individually);

      2. Characterization of leads (both ASR and Khushi);

      3. SI (her Diwali scene where she breaks down after closing the door on everyone - unparalleled. Very few people can emote so well);

      4. slowly Barun (some of his expressions are bang on, smirks and sarcastic moments esp).

      Delete
    3. i agree with you - we really have to be fair and lay the blame at the actual culprits - the CVs that are the ones messing the story! not the leads - and if that was not enough - the stupid channel has its own useless requirements - the SPT and visits to uk etc - now if the story was going as per the original pace and story lines - then a few days break for either lead would have been ok - but coz the CVs are messing up big time - this is the result!!

      BTW any new developments? news on the story line??

      Delete
  8. ...

    3. Bollywood...

    a. Give Bollywood a shot by all means...your fans are happy for you, but don't burn your bridges with SP and tellyland PH's because Bollywood is way more volatile and unpredictable than corporate promotions so it might be a good idea to hedge your bets.

    Like Dia rightly said a. Bollywood is not that great. I am a diehard hindi movie fan but will be the first to admit that very few movies have really great stories, good direction and appropriate cast…I’ve pretty much begun to associate that with Aamir Khan movies…USED to like SRK but-well that’s a whole different rant.

    b. Bollywood is based on the strong pillars of nepotism and favoritism. Children of superstars get upto ten flop movies…they pretty much learn how to act while doing big budget movies. While newcomers get one chance and even when they do perform aren’t given anymore movies. I sound terribly judgemental but 80% of the people in Bollywood cannot act. Go to the theatre-those people can act…especially the Marathi plays in Mumbai- acting is at Broadway in London and NYC level even if sets aren’t.

    c. Bollywood is a really small community. Hollywood is much bigger, far more organized and there are so many brilliant actors at the top that the industry won’t blink if 3 actors leave the business…if tomorrow Aamir, Salmaan and Shahrukh quit movies the industry may just collapse…whereas if Brad Pitt, Hugh Jackman and Leornado de Caprio quit movies, Hollywood would have a respectful lifetime award and move on. So to make it in Bollywood you really need a foothold in one of the aforesaid 3 camps or parent/s who lit up the screen in the 70/80’s. Actors have too much say in production houses in Bollywood. Universal Studios would easily kick an actor off a project and move onto the next person.

    4. Sanaya…I hope she doesn’t venture into Bollywood at all. She’s actually too good an actress for Bollywood. She’s not conventional hot (sorry its true)- Anjali is in that sense hotter, but SI is one hell of an actress…Aamir, Kajol league IMO. In Bollywood apart from Kajol, Rani and Vidhya actresses are taken for their pretty faces and for a love interest for the hero (mostly). I hope SI reaches the epitome of tellyland…further than Sakshi Tanwar. Television actually pays really well and in the long run your likely to get more fame and money as a steady television actor (not even the top television actor) than a mid level actress in Bollywood. For eg. Sakshi Tanwar is way better off than actresses like Neha Dhupia , Raima Sen, Celina Jetley etc

    Okay seriously long rant…:-s

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Gargi ,

      Very well thought out post. Loved it.

      Yes, Barun in all his interviews comes across a very grounded and humble boy. I would be very surprised if success has truly gone to his head, never came across that way.Loved what you said about gettig a job in a bigger/better company when you're young. Yes, it's all about taking a risk , sometimes it works, but often times it bombs in your face.

      Let's see how this plays out.

      Good Night Girls!! it's been a long weekend for me, have work tomorrw so will call it quits.

      Delete
    2. Agree with every single thing you said about Bollywood - there is SUCH a dearth of really good actors and good movies these days. For every halfway decent movie, there are a dozen or more duds. And the nepotism and star-kid culture seems to be majorly at play here. So am not enamoured of Bollywood at all ... I think its highly overrated these days.

      Barun does come across as very grounded in his interviews, so I hope its not that his success has gone to his head. It might be a simple decision of being ready to take the risk - his wife has a steady job, he's getting a good break now, he has made a name for himself and can afford to gamble a bit, and if things don't work out, get back to TV. He's young enough, time is on his side. And he did say in one of his interviews, that TV had the security of regular income, while Bollywood was a gamble, so he might be ready to take the gamble and see how it goes.

      But again, you take up a position at a bigger firm after leaving your current one and serving your notice - not while working at your current firm. Because then you compromise both and can't give your best to either. Nobody stops you from leaving the current job ... but nobody will allow you to sail in both boats while you decide which one suits you better. And then often you can't do justice to either ... and that's what I'm afraid of - for IPKKND and SI.

      Delete
  9. though it is none of my business, but if ODB thinks Bollywood is a better career move, he should go for it (would i not want a better career move?) - HAVING SAID THAT - (and taking care of my guilt at being selfish!!)- ODB better not leave!!!
    he is a good actor but the character, his team and his co-actors make him too - for me ipk is ipk because of the story first and then the leads - as it is the story is lost (cant even say it is getting lost - its almost completely gone!) - now if the leads go or are changed - that's it, i am done! - if i stay on - it will be only to keep coming back to R&R!! just for the sake of this coffee shop!!
    On the other hand - this could help me get cured of this ridiculous obsession! - read some random definition of love as 'inexplicable, infuriating and intoxicating' and all i could think of - perfectly defines our couple!!! - i am nuts and need a cure - this could be it!

    (PS - i think odb is looking tired more coz of his excessive makeup and oodles of oil/gel look - was catching up on old episode over the weekend as a normally do and both leads looked so much better with less make up - they looked younger and more imp fresher!! - even mami was toned down - both in makeup as well as voice!! it was such a relief!!)

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. it seems like a good career move, but having said that, i do not see barun doing it.. in fact, i think one spoiler and everyone's believed it!! i remember barun cribbing about having no free time at all on the noreen khan show, so i am a little skeptical about him signing up for a movie on top of his full days.

      mona, iss ridiculous serial obsession ka kya naam doon!

      I agree on the makeup.. these days, all the actors are looking overly made up, even oily. the only reason sanaya and daljeet escape with their face intact is because they do their own makeup...

      Delete
  10. Have to say .. thanks, girls for not jumping down my throat here! Wouldn't dare to say all this on IF, but I needed to vent!

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. hahaha...no way this the whole point of R&R unadulterated discussion and debating...:-) so much fun!!

      Delete
  11. that's why we chat here - no teenagers going all week knee-ed and drooling like idiots!!

    this place is purely for mid 30's sensible, grown up women acting like idiots - going all weak kneed-ed on fictional characters !! ;) - (yes, gargi and sama - except for the exceptions! - the babies of the blog)

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. *rofl* Mona ... you said it!!!

      Delete
    2. ROFL yaar, too true!

      Delete
    3. Hehehe:-) Sama and I are glad that we're allowed to play in the grown up playground:-D lol

      Delete
    4. haha - why else do you think we have an *MIG alert!* - its for you kids :D

      Delete
    5. "allowed to play in the grown up playground" ... Absolutely :D :D

      Delete
  12. About story not moving forward it cannot be Barun's decision ...... I mean in last 2 months almost we had a screenplay where they have shown ArHi around 15 mins every epi ..... They have used BD's when one was completely away for 3 to 4 days otherwise it has been pretty much BS and SI all through out ...... So when they had their leads in hand they could have easily taken the story forward ..... They are not even bothering about their supporting cast ..... Not untill they have some scenes which is involves presence of ArHi

    yes emotional scenes take more time ..... So keep the screen space for ArHi limited to 8 to 10 mins max ..... SaRun would have done the job beautifully to take story forward if they were provided with it

    My take ..... Somehow I feel I need to hear it from Barun himself to actually take the news to be true

    anyways I wrote this in my previous comment which disappeared ...... SaRun said in one of their interview that SP has not sanctioned IPK budget ..... What does this mean for our show? Barun said this when a question about taking the story forward was asked .... He said they are waiting for it

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I was just listening to an interview with four lions (a few months old) and they were saying that parallel tracks were not required for geet because it was on star one.. (or something to that meaning) and hence, my take is they do not have any idea how to make an effective parallel track that does not involve the leads.

      listen to the interview if you want.. 3 parts are there..
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xobx9KtfHFk&feature=BFa&list=UUzkfrrjY9wqwC4EoKqRlgMQ

      sarun interview did not say they were waiting for funding from SP... barun was saying, on the day of public bath.. that the CVs had an idea, and was waiting for funding approval from the PH.. (and i think it was for the neighbor's marriage track)

      Delete
    2. Isn't is very diffi for serials to survive, if parallel tracks are not developed...its just not fair to the main leads...I agree that in love storys the focus will be on the main leads but since this is not a movie, shouldn't the makers have thot this thru or have been too surprised by this mania that they have decide to milk it for what its worth and bhaad mein jaye story...that would be so sad...

      Delete
  13. HOOOO, was away from R&R for a couple of days and what do i see.....

    R&R gives me news abt BS working on a movie...well it had to happen one day or the other...I would go with what Gargi says...frankly, anyone making career choices in telly land, the time span that they get to cash in on their fame is very limited...so actors are obviously governed by these things..professional or not, diffi to say since we don't know what has been promised to these actors and what has been fulfilled or not from the PH end...

    For me the big draw in IPK has been Sanaya and then the SI-BS chemistry...However, I would have not paid too much attention if the story was not interesting...This is what i would have said maybe 6-7 months ago..But now i am forced to say that i can watch this show only if that chemistry is re-created and i know thats tough!!So we will wait and watch

    Chalo ARHI romance ko paar lagao, CVs need to get a move on..

    Woh afsana jise anjaam tak lana na ho mumkin
    use ek khubsoorat mod dekar chodna accha!!

    ReplyDelete
  14. There's one thing that i must say.....Barun's acting had become sharp as the show went along...and i am very convinced Sanaya had a big role to play in that...there is something about her performance that raises the bar every time and intelligent co-actors take it up and raise their own level..I haven't seen Mohit much so i can't comment but purely from the SI-BS pairing, i have come to that judgement. BS did not inspire any confidence initially...maybe he was getting to know the character but then he started matching Sanaya later on..not saying that he did not put the efforts, i am sure he did
    Personally, being a Sanaya fan, i do think the big screen is for her...more than anyone else on telly land.She has all that it takes to succeed and like Dia, i also agree she is not conventionally hot but when she is on the screen, i wouldn't look anywhere else..Thats the power of her emoting skills. The CVs did a disservice to her character in IPK of late yet she needs just one scene to stamp her presence and she does with aplomb!!

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. You know Rekha I'd love to See Sanaya in a role like Sandra Bullocks in 2 weeks notice or in a role like 27 dresses or supporting roles like Perseus in Troy or Moira in Xmen First Class or an emotional role like My sisters keeper... But somehow Bollywood doesn't make these kinda movies:-(... We have the hero centric Rom-coms from KJo and yash raj films or the dabaang types and dunno where Si would fit in there...:-( absolutely cannot see her doing a role like Deepika's in desi boys or katrina's in race ... So where would she fit? Konkana was a little off beat and ahe's pretty much disappeared...And she had a lot of support from her mum...

      Delete
    2. Gargi...Literally to say tune mere muh ki baat chin li...that day when Sandy was talking about "While we were sleeping"...since i love Sandra Bullocks...i was thinking kaash Sanaya ko "The Proposal" or "Miss Congeniality" type movies mil jaye..but the ones u r suggesting are really lovely
      I don't have a fav Hindi movie actress, mostly I like actress film to film..maybe Vidya in Parineeta,, Konkana Sen Sharma in Mr&Mrs Iyer,WakeupSid,Page3..Kareena in JWM...like that...very roles defined preferences....can't say i will like them in all movies...
      U r right...actually i meant to say, she has what it takes...unfortunately, the way the industry works, it might be diffi to see gud actresses flourish for long...but still its great if she gets that canvas...also gets that recognition...

      Delete
    3. I saw hema malini in baghban recently.. and was wondering that sanaya has almost the same face and emoting capacity.. so if she's interested, i think there will be a lot of roles she can have.. a little further down the road.

      Delete
  15. Jaya,

    thanks for the video and the clearance on the budget issue .......makes more sense now :)

    ReplyDelete
  16. ps - what is IMO?? - i suck at acronyms!

    ReplyDelete
  17. Mona, so cute....this sounds just like me asking my daughter for the acronyms that is so much in use..these internet bachhas are all very lazy...hehehe don't want to type out more than the absolute necessary letters...

    ReplyDelete
  18. With this BS news, i am wondering if the PH would end up closing open ends, hurtling towards a half-baked realisation, repentance etc...
    That would be just so sad becos altho the realisation, and clearance of MU is long overdue..running amok now without a proper narration in the coming tracks will just not be fair to the viewers...We have been wanting an intense romance and have been stuck with stop-start scenes in the last couple of months or so..many without any logic..

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. oho rekha, you call us lazy bachas and then you write altho and bcos.. dai dai phissh

      Delete
    2. I am aping the internet bacchas yaar, don't want to be told" O mama, u don't know anything".....

      Delete
  19. I hope we don't have a half-baked ending Rekha.......it seems from all the rumours floating around, that there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than meets the eye............it would be really sad all around if they mess up what was/is an extremely promising serial...............

    Aki

    ReplyDelete
  20. True Aki...just got to know there is a new promo...not the one that was abt Khushi knowing about the reason of the marriage...
    Rather this seems to be a promo for a filler episode..is this forced becos of SI's trip and due to which they have not been able to can the track related to that....(as that would call for intense scenes)

    But still can't accept the need for this comedy esp after the last scene in the Friday epi.....Hey bhagwan..i want to shout and cry!! only thing is if do that, my family will admit me to a mental asylum!!

    ReplyDelete
  21. oh so much happened again while i was away!! and so much discussed!!Barun should just give a statement to one of those people that visit them on the sets all the time...
    i for one would miss SI/BS chemistry if he does leave!!!

    ReplyDelete

Back!

 Received a message about a spam comment, logged in to delete it, and browsed through the blog after AGES!!!! With work and home life gettin...