I went back and watched Wednesday's episode again ... and then tried to put the week together. Here are my thoughts and my interpretations ... these are solely my views, and my attempt to put the pieces together.
*edited* :)
*edited* :)
Wooing the Wife – Step by Step …
Monday 30th July
First step … start breaking down the barriers, start getting Khushi used to the husband-wife relationship, not just in terms of physical closeness and passion, but in terms of comfort in that closeness, getting used to it, accepting it as a natural thing. The casual way of stripping off his shirt, even more casually and grumpily commanding “Help me!’ … as though it’s the most natural thing in the world for her to do … because she is his wife. After all, that’s why her mother sent her in with Arnav to massage his back, isn’t it? A little bit of teasing, letting her anticipate a kiss, then backing off, leaving her in softened mood, and ready to do her massage far more naturally and with less than her usual shyness … which he vanquishes with some more teasing in light conversational mode … ‘you must be happy I fell, aren’t you?’ … and then some serious flirting, but not pushing her at all … holding her pinned under him with nothing more than his eyes. And Khushi starts to soften, to accept that closeness more naturally …
Then a sudden switch of mood … like I said, I would have been happy if he had followed up his order with a command to write cards from him and her … but he gave her the chance to actually earn the money she wanted, with a pretty easy task, dressed up with time limit and missing cup to seem more difficult than it actually was.
In the office challenge, he wanted her to break, to lose … here, he wanted her to complete her twenty-four hours, to earn her money easily and salvage her pride.
But he wanted each of those twenty-four hours to be spent with him … in the spirit of not in the flesh … so the command to stay awake for him. And was Khushi missing him too … that she called him again and again at night? Exercising those wifely rights she claimed not to have? And the little bedroom interlude did accomplish what it was supposed to … a little more confidence in herself as his wife … so the indignation about how he’s making her actually work for her money … and why she can dare to disturb him at night … a right solely reserved for a wife, not for an employee.
Tuesday 31st July
Main progress was in the first scene … sleeping together at night comes more and more naturally to Arnav … so does switching off the TV and clearing up the plates at his sasural … holding his wife’s hand while sleeping is now a habit he has no intention of getting rid off … and sleeping sprawled all over him is a habit she is slowly getting used to … but only in the safe comfort of her own home so far, where she and Arnav are accepted whole-heartedly as husband and wife, and she has the confidence to exert his wifely rights.
And Arnav wonders for the first time as to why his wife is so different in her maika and her sasural. Has his dimaag ki batti lighted up?
He gives her the money she has proudly earned … leading Khushi to admit, with a touch of pride in her hubby … he’s not that bad after all, he respected her need to keep her dignity intact and earn her money, rather than just take it from him. But Arnav is too busy to celebrate … he has to set up the next roadblock in her plans of a protracted stay at GH.
And Arnav wonders for the first time as to why his wife is so different in her maika and her sasural. Has his dimaag ki batti lighted up?
He gives her the money she has proudly earned … leading Khushi to admit, with a touch of pride in her hubby … he’s not that bad after all, he respected her need to keep her dignity intact and earn her money, rather than just take it from him. But Arnav is too busy to celebrate … he has to set up the next roadblock in her plans of a protracted stay at GH.
So he makes her proclaim her status in his new office as well … not very well thought out though, because it results in an insulting remark from a staff member, who is promptly reprimanded … and starts turning the screws now … come home, and I will forgive the extra charges.
But Khushi has started recognizing her husband too, she is confident that he will not throw her family out on the road … confident enough to call his bluff on that.
But Khushi has started recognizing her husband too, she is confident that he will not throw her family out on the road … confident enough to call his bluff on that.
So he has to do more to convince her that he’s serious.
Wednesday 1st August
He does more … cut power, water … she’s still stubborn. And he’s losing patience now, mixed with a tinge of desperation. What will it take to make her come back? He can’t stay at GH, his sister does need him at home … but he needs Khushi. And he needs her back before the contract period runs out, because after that the stubborn girl might just refuse to come back at all. So a return to ASR … mixed with Arnav … threats mixed with pleas … you know why I want you back home …
And Khushi is also getting desperate … her family has already told her she needs to go back to RM, Arnav is getting more and more determined, she knows he will not throw her family out, but if he gangs up with them, she has run out of excuses.
So a last ditch attempt, and a very poor one … a broken leg might persuade her parents to let her stay back for a few more days. But she didn’t bargain to have to face Arnav so soon … although she did know he would see through her lies very easily … and he did.
And finally the crux of the matter emerges … he knows she’s trying to stay at GH till the contract ends and he finally tells her that to her face. (which he should have done at the start ... idiot!)
And here I am going to re-interpret that conversation between Arnav and Khushi. We thought they should have shown a conversation between them on the way back to RM … but in reality, they said it all here.
Arnav – you want to stay here for ten days, so that you can be free of our marriage …
And Khushi looks at him in shock … how can he think that she wants to be free of their marriage?
And Arnav reads that … and he knows now - she doesn’t want to be free any more than he does … and so he wonders, does she really think the contract is so binding? Or is there something else? What is the real reason she is running away? So he has to find that out … by pushing her, goading her into telling him.
So his next question … will you let this happen? Will you let our marriage end like this?
What he means … you won’t fight for it? You, the fighter … you will give up and walk away? When I know what marriage means to you, how much value it holds for you? I can give up on it, because I never believed in it … I can demean it by talking about contracts, but you?
Khush - this was not a marriage, it was a deception … it was a deal. With terms and conditions set by you, which I obeyed … in ten days, the terms are over, the deal is over and so is … everything …it’s …
Arnav – over.
Khushi looks down, she can’t meet his eyes. And he knows it’s not over for her … she’s lying again … she’s doing this for him. And that’s why she’s ready to give up … because she truly thinks it’s for his happiness.
She asked him that day … will you be happy if Di is unhappy? And he couldn’t say no …
But he asked her … what about me?
What about my happiness … which lies not only in Di, but also in you?
She knows his happiness is in seeing Di happy, but she doesn’t know his happiness is also in her, her presence, her smile …
Now he’s sure … it’s not about the contract … she’s talking about deals, sauda but that’s not what thinks in her heart, that’s why she can’t meet his eyes, because it will not be over for her …
She was the one who said ‘this bandhan has been given to me zabardasti, but now that it has, I will fulfil my part.’ She did not think of the marriage as a deal then, she was ready to give it her all. She never thought the marriage to be just a contract, he was the one who called it that … but now she is using it as the excuse she needs. Because she has given up … she is not ready to fight any more for their marriage, she’s not ready to sacrifice his last living blood relationship for herself. And he has to make her fight, to realise that it will not be a sacrifice.
Arnav – is it so easy for you?
So easy for you to walk away? For my happiness? When I can’t let you go, even when I see you unhappy there, I can’t let you go … can you let me go so easily?
No it’s not … it’s the hardest thing in the world for her to do … and he can see it in her eyes, that it’s so hard for her, but it’s for what she thinks is his happiness, so she will do it … and the expression in her eyes changes to determination again …
Khushi - now all these things have no meaning …
Arnav – no meaning? Koi matlab nahin hai?
Can you be so strong? Can you really walk away? From us? Don’t you believe in us? Aren’t we important to you?
And he’s reached the crux of the matter now … she takes the plaster off, now the purpose for it has gone … no time for lies now … if it was about us, she would fight … but that’s not the problem really, is it?
So he has succeeded … she is not going to pretend any more … they both know the contract is not the issue … they both remember the last war of words, when she first said she was leaving and he forced her to stay using the contract… and now she knows as well as he does now, that he was using it as an excuse to make her stay … and he knows now that she was using it as an excuse to leave...
Khushi – plaster off, all masks off … you know very well why I’m doing this. You know the whole truth. So it’s better we don’t talk about it …
You know it’s not about us. I told you that day … you won’t be happy if Di is unhappy. And if Di … or you … hold me responsible for her unhappiness, that’s the whole problem, isn’t it?
Arnav – angry … because if they don’t talk about it, it means she is not fighting for their marriage, she’s giving up … she’s not giving them a chance … he can handle Di, but she has to let him, instead of giving up like this … and she’s refusing to do that.
Skip the dialogues about telling the whole truth and getting a divorce … to
Arnav – let’s tell the whole truth now …
Khushi – they won’t be able to take it …
Who is they? Only her family? Or everyone? About the whole truth?
Arnav – I know … but now we have to tell the truth … now no games with anyone …
Khushi – what do you want?
A firmer tone here, more decided … so how do you want to play this? What do you want from me?
Arnav – come home, with me.
As my wife. Make a statement to everyone that they are together, a couple … for always. To everyone ... and then deal with what happens ... together ... stop running away. Because running away will not solve the issues, it will just seep them under the carpet.
Khushi – all right. But ten days later, when this deal is over …
Arnav – ten days later doesn’t concern me …
My interpretation … he has made it very clear he knows it’s not the contract holding her back. If it was, she wouldn’t be so worried about telling ABB about it. So tell the truth about what?
He means the time for games between them is over. The contract doesn’t matter … he knows that, and she does too. They need to face the real problem, and that is Di. But they need to face it together.
Hence …
Come home. With me. We’ll deal with the real problem … together. You as my wife, by my side. The first step of giving her the confidence that she is his wife in the true sense, for more than the contract.
Ten days later, doesn’t concern me … because the contract has no meaning, ten days, a week, a month, doesn’t matter … re-affirming that fact.
Right now there is no one at home. You stay tonight … I will pick you up tomorrow.
Tomorrow he will take her in full view of her parents, with their permission … they told her to return to her sasural, and he will confirm that she is doing exactly that, and that her husband has come to pick her up. That they are a couple. She doesn’t have to go on her own, she does nothing on her own … he is with her all the time.
So in this talk, for the first time, he started to give her the confidence about her position in his life. Tell her that the contract was in fact only an excuse he used to make her stay back. Tell her, in other words, that he too believes in their marriage and wants her as his wife. For always. And she starts to believe that … starts to hope again …
Thursday 2nd August
And hence, when they returned home, the silent communication, although the tension was not yet resolved fully, because the Di factor still lies unspoken between them. Yet that confidence she got makes Khushi take over the role of Raizada bahu for the first time, take part in organizing the Raakhee celebrations, even her hesitant approach of Di with the Raksha dhaga … showed that she knows she is here to stay, and it is that new confidence in her position which makes her approach her sister-in-law, rather than hide away from her … and of course, approach NK, her sakha, to help bring a smile to Di’s face. Starting to take the responsibilities of the house as Arnav’s wife … she has to take the onus now … it’s her duty, it’s not interference. But Di is in a very delicate frame of mind … so Khushi has to do it without making Di feel any more insecure about Arnav’s support than she already is. Which means, only talk about Arnav as Di’s brother, not as her husband … talk about how special Di is for her brothers, and how they are planning something special for Di, and how she, Khushi, wishes, she too had a beautiful bond like this. All to reassure Di that she is still very special for Arnav, that a brother-sister bond is sacred, is precious and will always be so.
Hence also give NK the credit for every little thing like the kurta – she knows Di wanted Arnav to wear it all these years, and he never did … in Di’s current frame of mind, she cannot appear to be more important to Di than she, Khushi is.… an understanding of Di’s current insecurities, and pandering to them …
Of course not fooling Arnav for a moment … but still unsure as to what his reaction will be.
3rd August Friday
Lessons from Friday …
Arnav learns the truth of Khushi’s principles in life …
The best things in life are free … like smiles.
True happiness comes from seeing the ones you love happy. As he sees her smile appear when he confesses that he wore the kurta for her and her alone, despite how uncomfortable he is in it … as he sees her smile grow wider and wider with the silly gifts he brought her … each one bearing the knowledge of how well he knows her, and what she really likes …
In love there is no place for ego … when he lost his voice, she brought it back with the kadha, and she made him show it was back by her knife stunt … and he didn’t want to give her any credit for that.
Today he keeps wearing the uncomfortable kurta, just to tell her that he knows it was her idea, that it worked, that she succeeded in her mission of making Di happy … that he’s ready to help her all the way to keep Di happy … in all her crazy ideas … because making her happy is as important to him as making Di happy … if not more.
The pearl necklace … the only material gift … but this too was not just any material gift.
Their first meeting – he broke the pearls of her dori … he dishonoured her, she covered herself with her hair, tried to restore her honor herself. .
She had two pearl-related dreams while Arnav was away ... in the first, she saw the pearls scattered at her feet … a reminder of their first meeting?
When he said ILU, she dreamed he gave her a pearl necklace … picked up the beads he had scattered at their first meeting, strung them back together, and put them round her neck … he restored the honor that he had stripped her off. And this was her dream … she had never told this to anyone … least of all, him … yet he knew how much it meant to her …
The only material gift, but it held so much meaning, way beyond its actual value ... this gift was a silent apology for that first meeting, and a promise … that he would henceforth be her protector and her refuge … she was home at last.
The last loop – when Arnav went missing, she dreamed that when she woke up, Arnav was sitting on the recliner looking at her …today that dream has also come true. She woke up to find him looking at her with all the love and passion in his heart … and this was reality,no longer just a dream.
SN – to make that point, they were also wearing the same clothes … ;)
Anjali … three possibilities, mentioned in my Friday post (which I have finally updated ;)
Dadi … blast from the past appears … Gloatwa ve!!!
Payash ... the story continues ... slowly :)
EAGERLY awaiting the edit;-)
ReplyDeletewoohooooooo we get a TWTW too. Brilliant!!
ReplyDeleteMuch needed for people(read Sama) in MANGOland :D :D :D
Boy it was a week whoooooosh done. What pace both in ArHiland and real world.
:D
Deleteits becoming too hard to keep up with you girls, but will sure read them on monday..
Deletehope my presentation goes well,
and here is song for Arhi- and esply from Arnav to Khushi and you girls..
I love this song...
Rehena tu.. from Dilli 6
Rehna Tu
Hai Jaisa TU
Thoda sa dard tu
Thoda Sukun
Rehna Tu
Hai Jaisa TU
Dheema Dheema jhonka
Ya phir junoon
Thoda sa reshma
Tu humdam
Thoda sa khurdura
Kabhi daud jaye
Ya lad jaye
Ya khushboo se bhara
Tujhe badalna na chahoon
Rati bhar bhi sanam
Bina sajawat milawat
Na jyaada na hi kaam
Tuhje chaahon jaisa hai tu
Mujhe teree barish mein beegna hai ghuljana hai
Tujhe chaahon jaisa hai tu
Mujhe tere lapat mein jalna rakh ho jana hai
Tu zakham de agar
Marham bhi aakar tu lagaaye
Zakham mein bhi mujhko pyaar aaye
Dariya o dariya
Doopne de mujhe dariya
Doopne de mujhe dariya
Rehna Tu
Hai Jaisa TU
Thoda sa dard tu
Thoda Sukun
Rehna Tu
Hai Jaisa TU
Dheema Dheema jhonka
Ya phir junoon
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Haath tham chalna hi
To dono ke daye haath sang kaise
Haath tham chalna hi
To dono ke daye haath sang kaise
Ek daaya hoga ek baaiya hoga
Tham le haath yeh thaam le
Chalna hai sang tham le
Rehna Tu
Hai Jaisa TU
Thoda sa dard tu
Thoda Sukun
Rehna Tu
Hai Jaisa TU
Dheema Dheema jhonka
Ya phir junoon
www.LyricsMAsti.com
Thoda sa reshma
Tu humdam
Thoda sa khurdura
Kabhi daud jaye
Ya lad jaye
Ya khushboo se bhara
Tujhe badalna na chahoon
Rati bhar bhi sanam
Bina sajawat milawat
Na jyaada na hi kaam
Tuhje chaahon jaisa hai tu
Mujhe teri barish mein beegna hai ghuljana hai
Tujhe chaahon jaisa hai tu
Mujhe teri lapat mein jalna rakh ho jana hai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkD5TThRvsQ&feature=related
Aaru,
DeleteThis is a song I listen to often.
Fits beautifully.
Rehna Tu
Hai Jaisa TU
Both of them don't want the other one to change.YES.
Perfect!
Twiney
DeleteGood Luck for your presentation. Jhappis of good luck..
Good Luck Aaru...
DeleteLovely song!
DeleteGood luck for your presentation, Aaru!
Sama, Rekha,
ReplyDeleteI missed the 'tweak' part of your comment, Rekha.
Can it be true?
For me, Shyam always must've had as much importance as Arhi. This is because Hitesh writes for Khushi, Mami and Shyam. All three are integral parts and have to be there from beginning to end.
I think that part in the Gul iv was about NK. Goddwani confirmed it in one of his ivs- that his character was so much appreciated that he was called back.
I am pretty sure Shyam was as well written as Arhi from the beginning. And he is supposed to be there from the beginning to the end.
Oh! NOW I know why I am the only one harping about Shyam part 2.
All of you believe he is gone for good!
No way!
Su
DeleteSomehow I did not get a feeling that Shyam was as important as Arhi coz once his truth was out at RM in front of the family and I mean complete truth proven, there is no way RM vaasis would accept him. So IMO Shyam's role would have only upto there to begin with.
Since there had a promo in the beginning linking Arnav and Khushi's past and never VLR's past with AA.... I guess now they are extending shyam's character by linking him to AA past.... this is just a guess....
Also wasn't there a tweet from Abhaas saying he is open to return or something like that...
I did think that Shyam is not gone for good .. but my feeling is that he can never gain entry back into the family. so he will continue to be villain, but from the outside.
DeleteAbhaas's name was in the initial cast, I think he is a permanent member of the cast.
The four main characters were always Barun, Sanaya, Abhaas and Daljeet ... the tycoon, his sister, the girl who changes their lives and the sister's love interest. However, the first three are the most important - so Shyam might or might not return. I still think he will ... but not as family.
Anjali will not try to get him in through Khushi, and Khushi definitely will not agree to that - no way. She has Shyam's worst face ... she has not an iota of trust in him. Plus, unless they plan to forget the kidnapping track completely, Shyam tried to kill Arnav ... there is absolutely no chance Khushi will let him back into their lives.
UJ,
Delete"once his truth was out at RM in front of the family and I mean complete truth proven, there is no way RM vaasis would accept him.":
Precisely why I believe he will come back. Because this never happened.
Kidnapping , no proof at all.
Engagement- again no proof- and he left denying the eng in total. If he was to leave for good, why did the script go like that?
**Khushi should've been able to prove her innocence beyond doubt, Shyam should've got properly thrashed and Anji shouldn't be still asking, "Kaun sach bol raha hai naniji?"**
That scene was very INCOMPLETE and that is why I keep saying Shyam part 2.I hope I'll not be disappointed.
I agree with Su, that scene has to happen again....so Shyam part 2 will happen...where he himself will admit that he planned to kill Anjali, nobody knows that yet...
DeleteHaila! Ye toe MU ho gaya.
DeleteI guess what i was trying to say is, there were rumours that Arnav and Shyam ka fight scene has been shot during KN track. I thought the original script was for shyam's truth to emerge completely at the three day confrontation at RM. And that would be it for Shyam from family POV. then even if Shyam came back it would be possibly joining hands with chachaji or something like that.
But people really appreciated Abhaas and so they changed the script, smartly got rid of all the evidence bitiya had along with her phone and so things were not resolved beyond any doubt leaving lots if questions and ofc leaving Shyam's entry open ended.....
Su not all its me. I will dig that article or vid which ever someday.
ReplyDeleteAnyways he definitely was not part of past for sure just like dadi. Dadi has 2 purpose ....bringing in the past and in a manner that it will be right infront of khushi. Hence no way she can leave ArnavJi in his crisis. Past revelation would have cost seperation otherwise which IPK cannot afford at the moment. So introduce past in a manner that will keep major unfolding at bay for now while previous tracks playout and reach their climax. I say at bay because till now anything of past had been like poison for Arnav that din't seem the case when he was discussing Dadi with Nani and as Rekha said not even a single point as to ashram or any senior relative ever in the show. That's what makes me think for now it will the 'aurat' as in Chachi who have ensured same fate for her MIL as the 2 siblings by her pati. Maybe she had not been in the game untill very late .....arnav mom's death so in that way not have too much to contribute either other than making khushi aware of the real chote in making, like what happened after his mom died and not why his mom died. She will have some vauge idea of what might have happened. Like Sandy said a family walked into a couple romancing. Or maybe a couple who actually were percieved wrong. Nani always refers Arnav as aapan baap jese. What if that's what was the case? People misunderstood Arnav dad easily because of his temper and I will what I think is right and I am always right.
I don't know what I am blabbering. Not good at using my brain for anything other than if there is crisis in real life.
As for Daiyya Ho .... Drift between sibling was the major hurdle ArHi had to overcome after VLR ....plot failed ....partly because of timing .....people waited too long, me included .... DB media stunt 50% contribution if not more .... Too much of back story ....it was DKS it was Vaidehi blah blah blah and overpowering ArHi magic ..... Nothing stands a chance. So siblings drift will playout a bit later but with VLR very much in picture. AM will do what DB had not been able to.
Aaru good luck for your presentation & beautiful song dedication. At the moment apt :D
Sama,
Delete"People misunderstood Arnav dad easily because of his temper and I will what I think is right and I am always right.": Pretty sure this has to be. Nani has MUed her son in law.
"As for Daiyya Ho: siblings drift will playout a bit later but with VLR very much in picture": Sama, I know I don't make much sense now. But the very fact that there was no 'VLR ki dhulai' as was expected- instead we got a real bheega grand finale to the kidnap-(I mean, no one was happy, lots of Qs unanswered) When VLR comes back now, for me, it is perfectly according to the script. I am hoping we'll know by 10th or 14 th, I really wish they wouldn't delay it any further.
Dia - great edit - cant wait for part 2
ReplyDeleteSama - you were right - i liked the article except i don't agree that ODB was not in love with ODG before he got married - had it been any other girl, he would have thrown the girl out of their lives - been cruel to her family - not brought her home!
All - cant get why you all seem to think ODG got up on his side of the bed - she got up on hers- remember the pink sheet was always on this side and the dream seq. after the KN - she was always here - except once when ODB got her to bed (after the TF KKG showdown) - the only time she was on his side
just a random thought about the past - i have never thought the two sets of parents died around the same time - See - ODB was around 14 when Di (probably around 18) was getting married - this did not happen and something lead to their mom's death - that was 14 years ago - All adds up perfectly as ODB is supposed to be 28 and Di around 32
Now - ODG as per the start of the show was supposed to be 18-19 - and her parents had died 10 years ago when she was 8 - so def. her parents died much later (4years later)than ODB's parents
so whatever happened did not happen together - as both sets of parents did not die around the same time
Mona,
DeleteEven the hypo scene, he was sleeping on the left side of the bed.
But Grihpravesh, when he lies down first, after throwing her out, I think he was on the right side. (Not too sure)
These sides always confused me a bit. But I think when Khushi was sleeping on the bed and him on the recliner, she was also on the left side.
Also when he got up and found she had left for GH, wasn't he on the right side?
Any way, her duppatta was on the other side, so she definitely did roll around!
Mona about ODB not being in love with ODG. My take on it was similar to what have been written in the article.
DeleteThe fateful night he misunderstood her as easily as he misunderstood her on their first meeting on ramp. So what have changed except the fact that he feels drawn towards her and his notion that Di might be right about love.
After marriage lots happened Holi, HR, Marriage Truth and KN. In each and every event he took a step towards believing her or to be proven wrong to have misunderstood her despite trying his best otherwise. "tumhare iss yakeen pe yakeen dilaya". Loved her unconditionally now. She din't need to prove her innocence anymore. He loved her and cannot live without her.
You may say the very same reason is why he married her. Difference lies in acceptance. His confession to her "ILU" regardless of her feelings towards him. He never reached that point when he married her. Loved he did or thought so but got to know about it when he started living with her. The true meaning of it.
That's what he meant by "I din't love her when I married her" in other words "If I truly loved her the way I do NOW I could not have thought so lowly of her and punished her for no fault of her at all"
Nahi re Sama, He did love her that fateful night until that catastrophic event happened which when the love turned into anger and jealousy.
Delete'The fateful night he misunderstood her as easily as he misunderstood her on their first meeting on ramp. So what have changed except the fact that he feels drawn towards her and his notion that Di might be right about love'
The first time they met on the ramp, it was pure anger and arrogance. That fateful night it was a possessive, extermely jealous man who felt betrayed by the only woman he has ever truly loved... It is this possessiveness and jealous that led to anger. Hate is a very powerful emotion and cannot come in isolation...... you have to love someone enough to hate them. IMO one can't just hate someone out of the blue....
Love can exist in isolation, i mean you don't have to hate to love someone but hate.... hate comes only when you have loved someone truly and deeply and they have done something to hurt you, betray you...
The thing is he loved her but he did not trust her or understand her. Love is just not enough in a relationship, there has to be trust and understanding to sustain it.
Arnav with his demons of the past was an insecure person anyways. He had been betrayed by his family/loved ones so he thought life had betrayed him yet again, khushi had betrayed him. She, who was reciprocating to his advances, encouraging him, never protesting his closeness actually loved someone else and that someone else happened to be his jeeja...
UJ.....me on the same page as u .....on arnav's feelings on fateful day....in fact...he has never been able to ignore Khushi.....its exactly as what he told in the Arhipathy scene..i try to get away from u and when away, all i think is to get back to u....
DeleteUJ Rekha ..... HE said he din't love her when he married her. We know he did but what makes him think otherwise and say so to his Di. What purpose would that serve? I know make Di feel important but is it really so. He does not lie to Di ....his hurt was evidant when Di even said he lied. So why would he lie the very next moment and that to about his relation with khushi.
DeleteTo him love is what he feels now, how he acts now though he hasn't changed much when it comes to temper but he doesn't take a moment to get back to making amends.
He thinks what he felt and did back then can be named love hence "I din't love her when I got married to her"
cannot ** be named love
Deletetypo mistake
Sama
DeleteUp until the terrace confrontation he is bery much in love with her. It's when he sees her in shyams arms (DDR) and hears her say those fateful words to shyam about divorcing Anji that 2 things happen
1 his possessive, passionate love turns to anger and jealousy....
2 the brother in him hates the other woman in his jeeja's life...
Ironically the other woman in his jeeja's life is the only woman he has ever loved and lived so much that even after seeing and hearing what he did he can only be extremely angry at her, be jealous, be angry at the world again but the lover in him can't hate no matter what.... It's only the brother in him who can have a shred of hatred if that but not the lover....
Hence, he did not lie to Anji. He said 'I did not love her when I got married' which is true. He does not say 'i hated her when I got married' all he says is 'I did not love her' For the moment he filled her maang with sindoor and tied the mangalsutra he was angry, very angry. The love was buried deep down in the dark murky depths of this ocean and what remained on the surface was anger.... The feeling of love was buried so deep that he did not even realise the feelings still existed when he married her...
Unfortunately he has still not realised that that night he married her not for Di but for himself. Di was only a reason given to the world and to himself... But there will come a day when he realises the true reason for his actions..,
Agree with UJ and Rekha, Arnav was in love with Khushi before he married her ... his love changed to hate and rage because of his feeling of betrayal ... so technically when he married her, it was out of hate and revenge, not love ...
Deletebut we discussed then too, that if he hadn't had strong feelings for Khushi, he would have thrown her out of his Di's life .. not married her and brought her home. He felt very strongly for her ... because he loved her, he felt betrayed and hated her AT THAT MOMENT ... hate and love are two sides of the coin sometimes ... as UJ said, you can hate only if you love.
So while he meant what he said to Di, it's because he hasn't realized, or admitted to himself yet that he married her because even though he felt betrayed, he still couldn't bear to let her go. SO he took it upon himself to punish her for what he perceived as her betrayal ... of HIM, not of his sister. If it had been all about Di, he would have used all his power and might to throw her out of their lives, destroy her completely, the way he did with the tapes, and never turned back to look.
Dia, Sama, UJ, Rekha,
DeleteAgree with all of you.
All of us are saying the same thing.
" because he loved her, he felt betrayed and hated her AT THAT MOMENT ..."
"SO he took it upon himself to punish her for what he perceived as her betrayal ... of HIM, not of his sister.":
I feel, "betrayal of BOTH him and his sister.
HIM more important, probably because in that intense moment when he took that decision, he cried for her betrayal of him. He didn't think of Shyam and Anjali then.
If I remember right, it was only fbs of Arnav, Khushi and Shyam.(Not sure if even Shyam was there.)
hawwww e ka ho raha hai!!
DeletePoint rest: He was in love that's why he married her.
Point me: He does not believe he loved her when he married her.
After reading all comments twice I conclude these to be 2 are different topics for debate.
Happy friendships day all. Thanks for the virtual cafe Dia its has a lot more to it than just rambling away IPK&ArHi.
When are you going to update 3rd August. Such ArHilicious scenes without Dia's take is just not fair to my ArHi psych.
Edit jaldi jaldi :D :D
Gr8 to see return of TWTW Dia and can't wait for the complete edit!
ReplyDeleteDia Hugggssss..........
ReplyDeleteSuper good write up.
Loved your edit and eagerly waiting for your take on Friday's episode. I was feeling very disconnected with the episodes after wednesday. Could not connect episodes after wednesday. Although I loved the episode on Friday, it was only in isolation for me but after reading your take I can connect a few dots from wednesday to thursday to friday. Although I would still like CVs to show some FBs or some monologues of their thought process...
But today I can only thank you very much for interpreting and explaining what transpired on wednesday so well... The disconnect was eating at me....
UJ, glad you felt it made some sense. I tried to put it together in a way that could make some sense to me as my first feeling after the episode was exactly the same ... WT* just happened?! This is my own interpretation ... it could be completely wrong ... we will have to see as the scenes play out this week onwards.
DeleteDia,
ReplyDeleteTWTW - i am all senti bey!
I love the Wed epi interpretation. EVen if Arnav is nto 100% sure abotu Di, he is definitely sure that Khushi stes a lot of store by their relationship. He read it in her eyes that night.And then Thurs and Fri's epi makes sense where he shows her that his happiness lies in her happiness and Di's happiness.
Then Thurs that scene when Khushi says buaji is all ok and Arnav looks up at her - I think it was a pleasant surprise that well she is also going to adhere to no more games, only the truth.
And yeah even I felt she had had some reassurance to give her the confidence to plan a surprise on Rakhi and get away with it. And Fri he has begun to give her confidence about her position as his partner.
See the Wed epi was very empotionally charged at the end and the Thurs epi began with RM. I just think it will be nice to show a FB from Khushi about how he came to pick her up at GM and perhaps buaji mentioning she met Anjali. Because there was no surprise or shock when Nani said she had met buaji.
With what you wrote for Wed, Fri's humaari baat abhi khatam nahi hui links right back to Wed where he heatedly said, "ok lets not discuss anything, sab kuch aise hi khatam hone dete hain". So today he told her that she better not even get that idea in her head now. They will talk it through and sort it out.
SN: He has anyways embarked on fulfilling being the best husband in yeh whole world like what Khushi told her amma. And maybe for the bit on asking him for the moon and stars, perhaps he will give her the kangans again along with the letter under the starry sky and tells her that their mothers would have been very happy today.
"They will talk it through and sort it out."
DeleteSandy, I really hope they will. They SHOULD to give the story some continuity.
However I am doubtful with dadi's entry.
Dadi- no great expectations from her for Arhi from my side. Looks like she is just there to gobble up Arnav’s time, so the ‘interval’ lasts for a long time.
‘Hamari baat abhi khatam nahi hui hai”- we will have to take it up some time later, sweetie.-me and my crazy relatives! Each one is a haddier KMH than the other one.
Dadi didn’t sound very popular with ASR or Anjali. It was more of like a ‘responsibility’ for him than a loved relative refusing to come home.
So I feel "hamaari baat" might get delayed for quite some time when Arnav's hands are full with dadi issue.
Su, i feel Dadi has one more kaam, re-marry ArHi....does she know that her pota got married, that too eloped.....if she doesnt, she wont like it when they tell her, n she might not accept it, just the way Nani wasnt ready for LA initially.....
DeleteAlso, with the contract ending, the cv's wud want the re-marriage....Do u guys remember seeing the contract papers in the sbs segment...i think i saw something like that....so if the papers are there, and fall into Dadi's hand, then there will be toofan in RM...and Dadi will banish Khushi back to Laxmi Nagar...facilitating the situation for the remarriage...
Geetu,
DeleteYes, remarriage will happen- somehow I don't see it coming now.
The very fact that mishti came out with a spoiler at the beginning of this track, that these two will get married again- I feel that was to prepare us well in advance for a separation and to avoid a hue and cry at the end of the contract at which time....... I've been seeing separation for a long time, right from TM2....the way it ended....
I could be totally wrong, but I thought Shyam part2 will come to settle unfinished business with Khushi. Don't know if he will dare to show his face in RM, so I don't know how that'll happen.
And now dadi is totally confusing. Is she going to be a real KMH? She is from the past and the past is supposed to be another stumbling block in Arhi union.....
Think about this: If those contract papers were there for real- we didn't see it so far in the show- where would ASR have kept it?
In his locker?
And who had access to his locker? What if VLR knows about the contract? I am full of Qs and 'IF's.
Only thing is- 'the cv's wud want the re-marriage'- all of us would- there will be a huge uproar if there is Arhi separation without a remarriage-( personally I want a remarriage because that way he has a haq on her no matter what happens)-if that happens, how will fandom react?
Basically, better to be prepared.
Su, even i think that seperation will happen...which will show the whole family what right now only Di knows, that without khushi, Arnav's saanse ruk jayengi....
Deletebut i dont think/hope that they will stretch it like the MU....trp mata won't let them, also the trigger can be Shyam....its difficult to believe that he is silent for so long now...
my speculation :
that shyam used his sources in Roy's office and got a paper of the contract (if it exists) and mailed the copy to Dadi, cause of which she has decided to come to RM and ask for an explanation from Arnav.... this confrontation will get the whole truth out, and Buaji will refuse to keep Khushi in RM, this will shatter Arnav and he will start ignoring his health.... so eventually their family will decide for a remarriage...
all this shyam getting the contract etc will be shown in fb.
he did all this to seperate ArHi and seek revenge, bt failed as usual and got them officially married, he has-to as he is our cupidwa...
Also i think Dadi's entry is for the initial seperation as they can't keep ArHi together for long without the official marriage, as its difficult to avoid the big C then....
my speculations are mostly wrong :( but i wud like to see it happening this way
Hugggs Geetu,
Delete"i dont think/hope that they will stretch it like the MU....trp mata won't let them" SHIDDAT.
'all this shyam getting the contract etc will be shown in fb.':
WOULD LOVE IT IF IT HAPPENS LIKE THIS , just like they showed him being the kidnapper and ...may be all my questions during the kidnap track will be answered too.
'this will shatter Arnav and he will start ignoring his health....':
I'd like to see him go all out and claim his bride instead of sitting around waiting for someone else to do it for him.
'he is our cupidwa..': ....undoubtedly.... and even his plan now will only bring them together, because he does not know about the existence of Arhipathy!!!! STUPID cupidwa!
Su, Geeta
DeleteAt New year's khushi had asked him 'aap mein itni kadvahat bhari hai ki aapko pyaar bhi bekaar aur bakwas lagta hai... Aap aise kyun hai' that he had said he did not believe in love and 'yeh duniya utni hi bedard or Pathar dil hai jitni hamesha se thi'.... This answer was enough at that point of time.
A frw days ago when Arnav locked buaji house to get her to agree to come to RM with him, she again asked him 'aap aise kyun hai' this time the answer was different. Khushi had shown him that the world is not as bad as he thinks it is. His world looked much better with her in it so his reply was 'tum jaanti ho mein aisa kyun hoon'
The only part she knows is he lives and doesn't want to let go of her at any cost. She doesn't yet know what ASR, ASR???? Why is he really so bitter? As she needs to off load her baggage of hurt to him so does he but talking about past is very painful for him. The wounds are still raw. He finds it hard to talk about simple things (although he is improving) talking about past is far fetched. But khushi needs to start putting her blow hot blow cold husband in perspective.
The rest if the raizada family will not talk about the past either. anji said 'beeti baatoin ko bhul jate hai and she wants a new beginning' Akash says to payal some things are better not talked about. So who will bring the past out????
So introducting Subadradevi Mallik.... I have a feeling that she will be the medium for the past to out in front of khushi. She will be a source for khushi to understand the demons plaguing her husbands mind....
Also ideally KKGSR is her Grand DIL. she will ensure khushi assume the responsibility of being ghar ki bahu.... From what mami has said about her she might be very strict and so she will want certain things done in a certain manner by the bahu hence giving khushi the rights and responsibilities of a DIL.
Last time things went wring for AA she was around. She has witnessed and been part of the hadsa last time and probably knows what Anji went through. She might become the much needed support for Anji and even hold up a mirror to her making her realise that she can't keep clinging to brother after all he is married now...
Su, Geeta
DeleteI don't think a written contract exists.
A) it is illegal to have contract marriage
B) i don't think the 6 months clause will come out in front of anyone. It would be adding indult to injury for khushi.
C) if contract papers existed Arnav would not talk about finding two witnesses for divorce. If a contract exists why would they need a divorce. Contract over walk away from each other....
I think the family will only find out about forced marriage and the reason for force. Shyam will be responsible to reveal to the family that arnav forced khushi into this marriage. They will also find out that arnav threatened khushi with payash wedding. Since it was a forced marriage first time around that family will plan a grand wedding for Arhi when they realise the depth of hurt and pain this couple has suffered....
I for one don't want the families to ever find out about 6 months clause coz yes it will make Arnav feel guilty and all but it will really insult khushi....
UJ,
Delete"C) if contract papers existed Arnav would not talk about finding two witnesses for divorce. If a contract exists why would they need a divorce. Contract over walk away from each other.... " yeh toh maine socha hi nahi :D
but i dont want Shyam to reveal the forced marriage part, cause that means either Arnav or Khushi has shared this info with him....this will hurt Arnav a lot....what i wanted was that contract comes out in open, everyone questions khushi bt it.....
she keeps quiet as usual, but Arnav reveals the truth, taking the blame......
the reason i want everyone esp Anjali to know the truth so that they appreciate Khushi more.... the way she sacrifices her khushi for everyone.... Anjali has to know the kind of pain and hurt khushi has gone thru, because of her husband's misdeed... we still dont know what Anjali thinks of Shyam, but m sure if Shyam pretends to regret his mistake, she will forgive him and even want him back in RM, and if she manipulates Nani and Mami, then Arnav will have to relent....so for that one reason the truth has to come out
One thing is sure with dadi's entry, that mami will have to take a backseat. Dadi certainly would not allow her to take any potshot or make snide remarks to her grand DIL khushi...and I am looking forward to that.
DeleteEquations are certainly going to change. Will nani and mami gel together or will it be the usual khatpat between the samdhans? I would love it if they bond together like the dadi-nani in karan johar's "kabhi khushi kabhi gam".
Even I feel that when dadi comes to know of Arhi's temple wedding, she would plan a proper wedding with all rituals.
I hope she is sophisticated and graceful like nani and CVs do not make caricature of her character.
UJ, Geetu,
Delete"i don't think the 6 months clause will come out in front of anyone. It would be adding indult to injury for khushi.":
Bitiya will boil, bitwa will boil......sorry....I feel it has to happen. This is RTR.
Ananya,
I came in to write about dadi and I found this:
'Equations are certainly going to change.':
My thoughts:
Dadi must hate nani's daughter as much as nani hates dadi's son. I don't think they will get thick.
If dadi never liked her dil, she may not take kindly to her grand d-i-l either.
That story K told about buaji- I can stretch it to dadi and her 2 grand children. The girl is about 35 years old and unmarried(separated here).
The wife took the son away from the mother.
I'll not at all be surprised if Dadi takes Khushi to be that girl. Esp if she gets pally with MM and MM repeats her "she has him wound around her little finger" dialogue.
And dadi already is not happy with her dil in the first place. She'lltake ASR to be her son and might put K in the place of her original dil.
Dadi, I feel will feel first for her grand daughter and if she gets a whiff that K was involved in the misfortune that happened to her pouthi.....
UJ,
" family will plan a grand wedding for Arhi when they realise the depth of hurt and pain this couple has suffered.... ":
This has to- has to- happen.
It WILL happen in the exact same way you all expect it.
'When?' is a question I am glad I don't have an answer for. Let it take its time. I don't mind any time. We'll have Arhi magic any way, all the way.
according to sandy's food bill analysis, this will be the time of dal.. dal mein kuch kaala? what other common dal phrases are there?
DeleteSu, the way Nani spoke about Dadi, seemed like she is very worried bt her, doesn't look like Dadi hating Nani's daughter...cause if she did then ASR wudn't want her around at all, but he was trying to get her to RM and she refused....
DeleteBut i agree with you on the point that she will feel first about her grand daughter then her grand daughter in law.....and if she is here cause somebody (read Shyam) called her and told her that the girl Arnav has married was involved with Anjali's husband then she wud want that girl out of Anji-Arnav's life...
Geetu,
DeleteWhy is MM so scared of dadi?
Surely, she could not have had any personal problems with her sil's mil.Woh toh door ki rishtedaar hai na.
I think she is speaking from what she has seen has transpired between her sil and dadi in the past.
Su, Geeta
DeleteI just think that a few things should always remain between a couple and the 6 months clause is too personal to this couple. I for one would prefer that this couple deals with the 6 months clause privately and resolve it between them.
For Anji to realise khushi's greatness and sacrifice all she needs to know is this was a hate marriage. Anji knows her brother's anger enough to know what this poor girl would have suffered as a result if the hate marriage and anger.
Khushi's foster family is very traditional. In wednesday's episode khushi tells Arnav they won't be able to take it if he spills the beans about 6 months clause and she is right they won't.... The thing is 'aaple ko chakku per maro ya chakku ko apple per chop to apple hi hota hai' similarly which ever way the 6 months clause comes out suffer to khushi hi hogi.
Even if it is for Arnav's RTR, seeing Arnav in pain will make her wince and suffer more. She can't see Arnav hurt or in pain. Such is the strength of their love. So I really hope the 6 months clause remains between them.
UJ,
DeleteYes . I agree with you totally
1."the 6 months clause is too personal to this couple"
2."Even if it is for Arnav's RTR, seeing Arnav in pain will make her wince and suffer more":
Even I am just getting used to this idea.
1. The 6 months clause will not be disclosed by ASR or Khushi. It will be most prob by Shyam.
2. Seein ASR in pain will make her suffer more: Only if she gets to see him in pain. If the clause gets exposed, she herself will be in such a state that .... only he can pick her up and restore her honour....
UJ,
'If' things go this way,
Don't worry at all.
They'll make this into a very beautiful track. I was upset too when this thought occurred to me first, but now I've grown used to it and I know the CVs will do full justice to the love story through it.
It will be really beautiful. Bahut meetha sa dard hoga.
Forget it for now. All this, if it is to happen, will take some more time.
Hello all.
ReplyDeleteI have missed a very crucial week so,I,will be relying on the edits. Had to fly to the,UK for an emergency eye operation (detached retina). So it is going to take me a while to read all theposts as well.
I know I can rely on you ladies to get me up to date with all the weeks happenings, and I have so missed R&R.
Lin
Lin,
DeleteHope you are fine now. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Read Dia's TWTW, it will give a gist of what happened from Monday to Thursday...
Take care.
UJ
DeleteThank you for you best wishes, I will be fine.
I will read Dia,s post, as you have suggested.
Thanks again
Lin
Hey Lin,
Deletewish u a very speedy recovery....all the best!! take care
Take Care Lin and give your eyes enough rest. Of course R&R is here so no worries at all about missing even the minutest detail :D
DeleteHey Lin,
DeleteWish you all the best. Take care and look after yourself - hope you recover soon!
Lin,
DeleteTake care.
PLEASE don't strain your eyes.
Get well soon!
Lin,
DeleteTake care. Wishing you a speedy recovery.
Get well soon Lin!!
DeleteTake Care and get Well Soon, dont strain ur eyes...Lin
DeleteDon't strain your eyes and wish you a speedy recovery Lin. Dia's TWTW is a great way to catch up on the weekly epis so you won't miss anything. Take care.
Deletedia reading ur twtw.....loving it.....
ReplyDelete"Right now there is no one at home. You stay tonight … I will pick you up tomorrow.
Tomorrow he will take her in full view of her parents, with their permission … they told her to return to her sasural, and he will confirm that she is doing exactly that, and that her husband has come to pick her up. That they are a couple. She doesn’t have to go on her own, she does nothing on her own … he is with her all the time."
PERFECT EXPLANATION of THAT SCENE......*applause*
Lovely TWTW Dia .... ArHi all the way this week ....waiting eagerly for fridays edit.
ReplyDeleteWhen I saw fridays epi I thought I have missed 5 epis atleast but after repeats of whole week and now reading your take makes me feel I have missed only 5 mins from ArHiland.
Wish they had shown khushis bidai from GH. Warmth in Khushi at Arnavs gesture. A minute of khushi with her DM at night pondering over all arnav said and seeking her help like she did when she wanted to get LG out of her head "DM aap hamare saath hai na" but this time to accept what her heart really wants for her for him for them.
HAPPY FRIENDSHIP DAY!!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJhVviFGqSU
Dia,
ReplyDeleteNice TWTW.
Eagerly waiting for Fri edit.
HAPPY FRIENDSHIP day, R&R!
DeleteHa Ha Ha Ha Happyji....
ReplyDeleteNahi....
Ha Ha Ha Ha Handsfree....
Nahiiiii....
Ha Ha Ha Ha Happy Friendship's Day dear friends.... R&R rocks and so do all you lovely people. It amazing how quickly I felt connected to this virtual cafe and you guys....
Wishing you all lots of Ha Ha Ha Happiness....
Thank you all so much for your best wishes. I will drop in every so often to catch up
ReplyDeleteLove to all
Lin
Thank you Dia!!
ReplyDeleteYou make a boring work day interesting!! lovely analysis..add more plz!!
Happy Friendship day Sakhiyon.....
ReplyDeletelovely Edit Dia....waiting for part 2
HAPPY FRIENDSHIPS DAY, EVERYONE!
ReplyDeleteThanks for making this blog such a fun place to be, and for being the great friends you all are!
Happy Friendship day to all you fabulous girls!!
DeleteR&R has become my Relaxation & Retreat thanks to all you wonderful, warm, affectionate, jhalli people here :)
Happy friendship day!
ReplyDeleteDia,
Thank you for welcoming us to your wonderful blog! Such a lovely venue to meet lovely ladies! Take care all!
Don't know if this VM has been posted before:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cts7xRvKXz8&feature=autoplay&list=UUTCytFW5B2VT_vO2sZZmNdA&playnext=1
Good one!LOL
DeleteHAPPY FRIENDSHIP DAY TO EVERYONE AT R&R!!
ReplyDeleteHey Dia,
thank u for this lovely place....
Happy friendship day to you all
ReplyDeleteI feel truly blessed having you all as friends.
Lin
UJ,
ReplyDeleteI don't agree that for hate to exist you need to have loved the person. By that logic, Khushi can never hate Shyam but she does. She said that she would welcome death than let her name be linked with his.
I also believe that Arnav and Khushi could never really hate each other even if they claimed to do so at different points in time because their love was far more overpowering and where there is love there cannot be hate. They despised each other's actions but can never really bring themselves to hate each other.
Opti
DeleteJust saw ur post.
IMO hate is a very very strong emotion and an emotion not everyone is capable of. Khushi's character is such that she can't hate anyone no matter. She can despise someone, not trust them an inch but hate I really don't think she can.
I think even after all that has happened she is capable of firgiving Shyam fir Anji's sake if it comes to that. I am not for second suggesting the story will take that turn but hypothetically if it had to happen khushi is capable of firgiving shyam....
As far as 'I will die before linking name with him' well that is because she loves Arnav. She would not want her name associated with anyone else. Even diwali time when she did not know Shyam's reality and actually got on okay with shyam, she could not imagine having that relationship with shyam.... Now when she knows the truth she surely doesn't want her name linked with him... It's not out of hate but 'ghinn' no better word in English for 'ghinn'
Hate and ghinn are not the same though.... I still think you have love to hate but to disagree with someone or not get on you don't have to have agreed in first place....
Not sure if I could express what i feel about HATE....
Hey, happy friendship day to all my virtual friends out there!
ReplyDeleteThank u all for giving me a space where I can laugh, smile, vent out for reasons, I know, those surrounding me in the real world would not understand. :)
I feel I am back to my college days.
Great to be a part of this blog!
hey all - happy friendship day :D
ReplyDeletejust a thought - every time ODC comes close something happens to separate them:
- naintal and pre diwali - diwali + engagements happened
- pre Payash wedding - MU happened
- post KN and clearing of all doubts - what will happen now???
cos if nothing happens - the two will become inseparable - so will the blast from the past or TF returns or something else keep them apart? OD will our dreams come true and ODC will fight the TF together as a team??
any thoughts?
Mona,
ReplyDelete'if nothing happens - the two will become inseparable'
Something has to happen. Please...
The blast from the past which could very well be Shyam, or any of ASR's or K's relatives- I feel may be they will all take turns and come.... I am not joking.
'fight the TF together as a team':
Sigh... Once they resolve contract issue and settle di- at least then, will they think of the villain? Right now they both seem to be lost in each other and now this dadi has also come.
(Personally, I want this battle to be just between ASR and Shyam. Khushi has already done her bit, and sorry to say, royally messed it up. Can ASR do THIS ONE THING on his own at least? I know I am alone on this side of the fence on this.)
Dia,
ReplyDeleteWas looking forward to you TWTW this weekmore than any other week. Very nice update. I personally am looking
Forward to how they handle their past. Would still like them to close the 8 days of the contract properly
Instead of just sweeping under the rug.
Should be fun.
Happy Friendship Day everyone. You all have made this space what it is today. I enjoy reading each and
Everyone of your takes.
Hugs to all... To more Arhi
Happy friendship day to all you faceless friends whom I funnily still find close to my heart although I don't have a face to match your names. Phir bhi I think of u guys during my day..dandaa, gloatwa ve, mig have become a part of my mind vocabulary as if I say it out aloud no one would understand.
ReplyDeleteThank you dia .. Thanks a ton for giving me soooo many friends and a great coffee shop which is open 24hours..:)
So I can relax and refresh myself with some great conversation whenever I feel the need.
"And as soon as she needed him, he did not wait for her to come to him, he approached her, because if she has teh haq then he too has the haq on her. By hugging him if she accepted him as her husband, by hugging her he showed he had accepted her as his wife. It showed his need for her to be with him always. It was a simply stated yet powerful fact. "
ReplyDeletequote from sandy's post yesterday.
I loved this explanation.. he did not wait for her to ask for a hug.. he is accepting and using the haq to comfort her when she is upset.
the pearls reminded her of the turmoil she faced during his kidnapping..the way he confessed his love.. the way he came in her dreams..her horror at the fact that he would not have said it unless there was grave danger.. the way she saw him being carried off, unconscious..the way he went back to the kidnappers to save her from being captured.. that no one else knew, no one else could understand, no one else remembers.. yet is written in her heart in words of solidified tears..
who else can understand the pain in her heart? who can understand why the sight of those pearls made the solid tears liquid again? whose hug can make her feel safe? only one. and finally, she does not have to ask for support.. she does not have to run into his arms..he comes forward, folds her into his arms. .
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opti, loved your explanation that bitiya is on his side of the bed after another night of taekwondo. perfectly explains his amorous stare and her trembling shyness.(seriously... one single dialogue.. "ab tum idhar bhi takewondo shuru kiya?" would have been perfectly welcome.. and fit perfectly into that five minute dialogueless scene! and lent meat to his dialogue "hamara baat khatam nahi hua", because from the moment she woke up, there was no baat!)
su, your first-person narraive of arnav.. (applause) hayeee...maar dala!
sama, that kissing car VM.. ROFL ROFL i'm scaring my sleeping family ..
"with Dadi in the ppicture trust me she will also need to become the badi bahu. Time for her to grow up and keep her kiddishness only for private moments with Arnav :)" SHIDDAT!
today, i went to the seaside. as i stood at the waterline, bare feet skimming the waves, just melting into the splendor of nature, a single person in the midst of a big crowd, i thought of you girls. i thought of how to write down the feeling i got when i stood there, the cool water ebbing and surging over my feet. a sunset at one of the most famous beaches my place has to offer. a beach i never went to before, because it was too touristy. a beach with sand as soft as velvet under my feet. a beach with waves so high, i was scared for my souten, the camera. a beach so small and spectacular, i will forever remember the waves crashing over the rocks extending into the sea.
ReplyDeletein that moment of stillness that only nature can give me, i thought of you. all of you. especially those whose names i see everyday.. those of you who make me laugh, cry, clutch my heart, laugh out loud, smirk at the pc, want to clmb into the 'net and give you a hug/hi five, all of you lovely ladies at R&R who make this an addiction for me.. i thought of how to write that feeling out for you.. and no, i was not alone there.. i had my full extended family with me. i was not lonely, i was having a lot of fun. it is just that you are part of my mental set up now...
i come back, find time to sit with the lappy..and find out that today is friendship day.(yes, i live under a rock. where people do not give much importance to college kids' notions on specific days to celebrate permanent relationships.) and i have to say.. today was an indication to me that i can have friends whom i do not know.. i never see you, i never know your name.. yet you are my friends. closer than some of my real friends.
a few days ago, i read "the secret garden". a children's story with a big message. there was a line which resonated within me, "now i know 5 people whom i like". i am somewhat like that , and today's revelation at the beach somehow staggered me. is it okay that my friends live inside my computer?
happy friendship day to each and everyone.
that was beautiful Jaya :)
DeleteJaya,
DeleteSimply wonderful.
*hugs* and happy friendship day!
Jaya
DeleteHuggsss....
Yes it is amazing that one can see some people every single day of their life (work colleagues for example) and still not click and yet have winderful friends in people never met or seen...
Hugggssss.... again!
Jaya, that was simply beautiful.
DeleteI have days when I try to explain to an exasperated hubby or demanding kids that this place is not just a blog to discuss a fictional show ... it has become so much more than that, a meeting of minds and hearts, a place to vent, to share smiles and tears and special moments ... and everyone here has a special place in my heart.
We may never meet in real life, we may all go on our separate ways when this show ends ... or we might pick up on something else and carry on ... because there has to be some reason this connection was forged and became so precious.
*HUGSSS* to all of you here :)))
"Is it okay that my friends live inside my computer"?
DeleteJ, your post touched me beyond words...
among the many bloopers that u point out in IPK, the bloopers in life has also not missed ur attention.keen eyed J....er...maybe there are not blooper, probably insights....
The line u quoted from the book "now i know 5 people whom i like" and ur question thereafter, is an illuminating thot.....
well, i wonder sometimes is it the anonymity, the lack of expectation, the lack of need to be anyone else than what u r,perhaps no pretension, no need to justify makes this virtual world sometimes more real than the real world....strange but true!!
Happy friendship day J, and i am glad ur moments of solitude are so enriching....it reminded me of the last lines of the wordsworth poem of the same name "solitude" ...
"And sings a solitary song
That whistles in the wind"
J - i too dont celebrate any of these 'Archies created 'important' days' - but just wished everyone - merely being polite you see - and then i read your mail -
Deleteand i was like - ok now i Want to wish every one very happy friendship day!! have a great time and enjoy your beach - do let us know where it is so we can plan our next vacations accordingly!! :D
Jaya,
DeleteI was touched by your post! Lovely it is.. A personal thank you for welcoming me even if i'm "different" from all of you. So again ladies, thank you very much from the bottom of my heart!
And to dia, lovely post as usual..
Hey Cheng, you are not different at all.... you are one of us... we are all tied together with a common thread of IPK
Delete:)
Cheng, you are not 'different' at all ... it's a source of pleasure and pride that you feel comfortable enough to post here :) IPK brought us together, and we are all the same in this!
DeleteHAPPY FRIENDSHIP DAY! Thanks Dia for giving us the space to vent, to connect and personally making me feel I am not the only one who is crazy about this fictional story!
ReplyDeleteSukhi
Some cute symbol things in the epi:
ReplyDelete1. Noticed 9 squares on 2 walls in Nani – Arnav scene:
From the Greeks to Egyptians to Hindu Architecture, the symbolic nine square grid has always represented the golden rule of balance. In Feng Shui (the Bagua), the nine squares symbolize important life areas, including: prosperity, social life, partnerships, family and health, good fortune, children and creativity, knowledge, career and mentors.
Came across this cute poem.
"The square root of three"?
the poem goes:
I'm sure that I will always be
A lonely number like root three
The three is all that's good and right
Why must my three keep out of sight
Beneath the vicious square root sign
I wish instead I were a nine
For nine could thwart this evil trick
with just some quick arithmetic
I know I'll never see the sun a 1.7321
Such as my reality, a sad irrationality
When hark! What is this I see
Another square root of a three
As quietly co-waltzing by
Together now we multiply
To form a number we prefer
rejoicing as an integer
We break free from our mortal bonds
With the wave of magic wands
Our square root signs become unglued
Your love for me has been renewed
2. 3595 – the number on ASR’s white kurta collar- add it to 22- something will happen on 22nd?
Or 35 95 = 08. 14.
Something on 14 aug?
3.It was a painting of sleeping Buddha last time. This time it is a lampshade kind of thing- still sleeping Buddha! In Payash room.
More research:
We may approach the Sleeping Buddha in two ways. Sleeping is a state of serenity and an attainment of spiritual emancipation. Besides, one also has to sleep first in order to wake up to become the Awakened One, like the Buddha.
Came across a very interesting article on 'matrix' and Buddhism:
From the conclusion bit:
Whether we view the film from a Gnostic Christian or Buddhist perspective, the overwhelming message seems to be, "Wake up!" The point is made explicit in the final song of the film, Wake Up!, by, appropriately, Rage Against the Machine. Gnosticism, Buddhism and the film all agree that ignorance enslaves us in an illusory material world and that liberation comes through enlightenment with the aid of a teacher or guide figure.
May be it is about Akash. He needs to wake up!
He is sleeping now, and will wake up later?
Dia
ReplyDeleteWaiting very eagerly and impatiently for ur detailed edit of the 3rd august episode
FINALLY edited both the Friday post and TWTW ... had a crazily busy weekend and the week has had a equally hectic start ... but the thoughts have been buzzing around in my head and I had to get them down! :)
ReplyDeleteAn interesting post i came across in IF; the title looked interesting and I love mahabharata for being the epic of gigantic proportion in volume and depth.....
ReplyDeletehttp://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3130488
some fodder for thot/disc
I read this ... interesting post and some very good discussions. Where are our mythology experts, Sandy and UJ?
DeleteRekha
DeleteNice post, thank you for the link.
Essentially isn't it the crux of what we have been discussing at R&R? Khushi out of the goodness of her heart chose not to tell Anji or Arnav about Shyam when she first found out about his reality. She did not want to hurt Anji and above all she could mot bear to hurt Arnav.
On that fateful night when Arnav saw VLR and khushi together he chose to believe Shyam's side of story. Although he believed Shyam's side of story instead of pushing khushi away from his Di and Jeeja he married her. I for one always felt and still do that he married khushi out of his anger and jealousy. Was he not being selfish there. Despite believing that khushi was having an affair with his jeeja he married her instead of banushing her... Have we all not wanted Arnav's RTR for this selfish act?
What would happen if Arnav did not behave selfish that night? What if he banished khushi as far away from their lives, from his Di and Jeeja life? Would arnav and khushi ever come back together? Would they ever stop loving each other even after Arnav banishing her? Would their lives be any better than what it is? Would VLR not behave the way he did? Would VLR be true to Anji if khushi left?
Above all, if anji had heard arnav that night, heard that her hubby was lusting after khushi, would Anji or Raizada family ever agree for Arnav Khushi wedding? Would the family agree for the son of the family to marry a girl who the damad of the family was lusting after?
Was Arnav really wrong to be selfish then? I think that's one reason I feel i have never felt so strongly about peetal ka bartan for arnav... Dont get me wrong I want him to realise how much he has hurt khushi and I want him to spend the rest of his life making it up to her but peetal ka bartan fir what? For being selfish and marrying the love of his life.....
Similarly I would like to see khushi realise that although she had good intentions it's her self sacrificing nature and her goodness that is equally responsible for the chaos....
She is still after all that has happened prepared to sacrifice her love, her life and walk away from it all. This will only make her and Arnav's life miserable.... Arnav needs to make her realise and understand it's okay to live for yourself and be a bit selfish at times.
I am in no way suggesting Arnav is selfish. In fact when it comes to his family he is very selfless but I am glad that at least in this one incidence he chose to be selfish....
Rekha,Dia,
DeleteOn non- mythological grounds...
'yayati complex'- I feel that fits Khushi well.It is not a great trait to have. And to tell the truth, sometimes I feel she is doing a great disservice to the people she is sacrificing for.
They are all good people, and if they were made aware of the sacrifices she made for them, they'd feel really bad. Won't Payal feel bad that Khushi was forced in to a contract marriage on account of her happiness? Won't she feel bad that her sister did not consider her worthy enough to share her misfortune with her? For me, if my sister or best friend refused to share bad news with me, I'd feel really offended. "Don't you trust me?"
Not that I am angry with Khushi- she does it only out of the goodness of her heart, not out of self-righteousness- so her actions can be excused. She'd be horrified if she was made aware of the hurt the knowledge of her sacrifice could cause her near and dear.
And I truly feel the creators have NOT tried to highlight it as a COMMENDABLE trait in Khushi.(Unlike other SP bahus!) Probably, that is why ASR tells Khushi over and over again, "Khushi, tum har kaam akele nahi kar sakti". Our heroine is not perfect. Just like she taught him about love and sacrifice, I hope he will teach her the importance of having self respect and before that, a SENSE OF SELF.
I think he will have to go searching into her past to find out what happened to her that makes her act like this.
Even if that doesn't happen, once she knows that they are 'one', she will think twice before making any sacrifices since her decisions'd affect him also.
So I continue to love my heroine even though I can't stand it that she is such a 'sacrificing nut'!
(Isn't this why ASR treated her like a kid last week- because he knew what she was trying to do and he felt she shouldn't go about sacrificing 'their' happiness for any one else?
I was fully with ASR all through his high handedness and firmness, it was the best way to deal with her yayati complex.)
UJ,
DeleteSaw your post only now.
"Arnav needs to make her realise and understand it's okay to live for yourself and be a bit selfish at times.":
All of us seem to think alike on this!
Sorry girls, here is belated Happy friendship day..
ReplyDeleteThanks girlfor your wishes, my presentation went good. and got cleared thru all my seminars now just lots of assignments to be completed.. but am all excited.. My cast is off but still need to be strapped it for next two weeks..
Ok first Dia TWTW was excelllent. have to read your today's edit. I think Dadi's main reason is to get Arhi marriage. she will be the one who will unknownlingly let khushi into Arnav's past, and will be testing Khushi at start with her harsh words. but as and when she will see that K is selfless she will be K side. one thing I think Dadi will responsible is to get Anji see the shyam's truth. and make her strong again. She has to make Khushi aware that she is the baadi bhau of raizadas and Malik too.
But when she comes to know about the way Arhi married- it will lead to the past and Arhi remarriage with Shyam getting a second chance on her instance.
sorry Dia I couldn't resist my self.. mishti has new spoiler saying there will be a roothna manana between Arhi and K doing the mana for a change..and a song sequence too.. I know we both have been waiting for this... and blast from the past, think our shiddats are getting granted.
And we know sanzs will ace it ...
I don't know about where the spoiler its...( if it happens,hope its a case of him getting bugged that she is bringing up the past...and he does not want to go there.....i hope it is not something silly....well if it is, i hope San makes it nice..
DeleteAaru, that baharon ke sapne song quoted is my fav ruthna manana song...its a serious kind of ruthna manana song, diff from the usual roothna-manana songs (not that those songs are bad, it just goes with the territory...most roothna manana songs have tat masti...this song is a bit serious and in keeping with the mood)
While on mythology,
ReplyDeleteSubhadra devi: I think there was a mention of the importance of her name in the blog.
Didn't catch the gist of it.
Subhadra, the mother of Abhimanyu- does that mean ASR's father was trapped in a chakravyuh - a web of lie- created by someone, may be the chacha- and was MISUNDERSTOOD by his family?
Su,
Deleteu have brought out an interesting point of subhadra...we are all wondering on the significance of her name.....
dia, sandy mainly here have been talking about that....and it perhaps ties in with their perspective....Dia's fav past char has been the chacha....just like mine has been garima...(mera char kuch zyada aage nahin bad payega, it seems) dia, sandy time to let ur imagination loose....
Okay, I have been mulling over the possible connections too ... now I haven't been able to connect the elderly lady of Khushi's story too well ... but my thoughts were ...
DeleteAs per Redux, the affair was between Shyam's sister and Arnav's father. Hence his motive for revenge.
So the sister of Khushi's story is Shyam's sister, the brother is Shyam, who left his mother and lived with his wife's family, leaving the mother alone.
In Khushi's story, the elderly lady had a niece who visited her regularly ... could this be the Khushi connection? The niece being Khushi's mother, who as per the original story is Garima's sister. This would make Shyam Khushi's uncle of sorts ... Mama, I think.
The connection of Garima's sister with the Malliks ... since Shyam and Khushi come from the same strata of society, my guess is that Khushi's mother worked at the Mallik's home ... and was probably a confidante of Arnav's mother ... like a very close maid, almost a companion. And she was either the one who introduced her cousin sister to Arnav's father (unwittingly) or the one who discovered the affair ... this would make Khushi's mother responsible in a twisted way for the tragedy ... something like the way Khushi is held responsible for the Shyam tragedy, although she was just the one to uncover it ... the difference being that Khushi's mother was not directly involved, it was her cousin who was involved.
How the old lady is involved I cannot figure out though ... unless she was Khushi's mother's bua and Khushi's mother lived with her, the way Khushi lives with her own adopted Buaji ... and the old lady was also part of the servant family at the Malliks, and got Khushi's mother her job with Arnav's mother. And if Khushi's mother did introduce her cousin to Arnav's father, then Khushi's mother is indrectly responsible for the affair ...
the same way that Arnav is indirectly responsible for Shyam meeting Khushi in the first place ... she was attacked by goondas because of the tapes he released ...
AND the same way that Shyam was indirectly responsible for Arnav meeting Khushi again, because he got Khushi a job at AR.
Another decode ... why did Khushi mentions 2 janams and not 7? Because Arnav's story will be a repeat of his dad's ... though how, I can't fathom ... so far only in the way that he has fallen for a girl not of his class. But Arnav's dad was married, Arnav was not. Again, Arnav was engaged though ... so almost equally committed ...
contd ...
DeleteAnd did Shyam's sister's proposed marriage break because she was pregnant?
Bringing in the chacha, because the chacha was the one to throw AA out ... the chacha discovered the affair, and the pregnancy, and exposed it on Anjali's wedding day ... thus leading to Arnav's mother committing suicide ... after accusing Khushi's mother of keeping this secret from her. Khushi's mother somehow caused the accident which claimed Arnav's father ... maybe she went to warn her cousin sister that Arnav's mom had found them out ... or she went to accuse her sister as to how she could have an affair with a married man ... and that's how the chachaji discovered the affair.
Garima was Khushi's mother's sister in the initial character sketch, and Garima was worried about family honor ... because of this turmoil caused by her sister?
Another thought, re: Arnav's dad being trapped in the chakravyuh ... was chachaji was the one who was in love with Shyam's sister in the first place, and met her pretending to be his brother, because he had no intention of marrying her. He had the affair, the girl got pregnant, Arnav's mom thought it was her husband who was the culprit, was shattered ... Khushi's mom discovered that it was the chacha and not Arnav's father, but before she could tell Arnav's mom/dad the truth, chachaji had Khush's parents killed.
There are actually a lot of ways they could link Arnav, Shyam and Khushi. However in the original story, Shyam was never linked to Arnav Khushi's past, only Khushi and Arnav have been linked, so this story about Shyam's sister might not happen at all.
UJ,
ReplyDeleteI don't know if i will stick to the actual discussion...partly becos i have lost the train of thot on that post.
On the peetal ka moment, its not for the reason u mentioned above but more for the part played by ASR in making things diffi for her at every stage....some wittingly and some unwittingly.....some of it wilful, some of it quirks of fate.....He has been described by nani to have that tendency to hurt himself for letting others down.....so we are presuming he will exhibit it.....at some stage
on whether he should have it or not, is a matter of perception...i can think of things both Khushi and arnav have done that has harmed this relationship yet it has survived....
In a way, when i think of turning points in IPK and while there are many....personally,two always stand out for me....on what the story would have been had some other turn had been taken...
one was Khushi turning back the taxi on her way to delhi stn for her onward lucknow journey.....then there was no firman from Arnav/Anji to stay behind......but financial circumstances caused her to come back and fate intervened....
the second, on diwali day....when Arnav on the car ride....asks khushi "don't want to know why i kept the payal" Khushi could not have answered differently on that day but kabhie kabhie mere dil mein khayal aata hain.....
I know u all will have ur personal fav...as turning points...