Monday 13th August
Six months of living together, of which the last two or so definitely included sleeping on the same bad ... so what exactly lit the fire in Bitwa's dimaag about his long pending SR? :)) Such a roaring fire that he can't even wait for the family to retire to bed =))
I always thought Khushi dressed in those tents for a purpose ... see what happens the moment she wears a gorgeous sari or lehnga with sexy blouse with some doris? Bitwa's hormones go on a rampage!!! =))
Tut tut, Arnav, those were some very unholy thoughts in your mind during the holy Janamashtami puja ... so ready to obey Nani's orders about supplying her naatis already? :)) What an obedient boy you are ... I don't think! ;)
Speaking of fires, what happened about Bitwa's anger with Dadi? Did it get cooled down by the sight of his wife's crazy antics with crazy box? What was that box all about anyway?!
Song was okay ... didn't see the point of having two songs, Tumhi dekho na and Rabba ve ... they could have kept kept just the one and kept the entire song ... the first was quite nice, but ended abruptly and went into Rabba ve ... that was awkward.
And the reason for the Radha Krishna conversation by Nani ... to remind Khushi about her missing pheras ... if Nani hadn't reminded her, would Khushi have gone ahead with the SR? She sure looked quite willing at one point ...:">
Last scene ... vintage ASR vs Khushi ... he with his 'I don't give a damn' attitude, she with her insistence on the rituals and rites, the importance of social customs and traditions ... and the final "I love you, dammit!" ... finally Arnav confesses his feelings, again under duress ... and in a temper ... he wouldn't have done it any other way ...
And Khushi can't believe her ears ... the trembling smile at the end :">
Sanaya looked simply stunning in both the purple saree and the red lehnga ... the clothes, the hair, the make up ... :"> don't really blame Arnav for losing his head so completely ...
And why oh why was he still wearing his waistcoat when starting his SR?! :-o :-/ Couldn't he have taken at least that off while waiting for her to change clothes? =))
*edited*
Will be edited in parts today, as I have a hectic day ahead ... random thoughts first.
This post should have been titled Clash of Ideals ... the original premise on which the show was based and actually became popular ... the clash between the arrogance and pride of a self-made man, who believes he writes his own destiny, and the morals and ideals of a simple small town girl, who believes that Devi Maiyya and divinity guide our paths, even though we walk them ourselves ... and tradition and the blessings of elders and family are essential for complete happiness.
A conflict between the ideals of the West and East in a way ... living in the Far East has shown me that most older cultures and civilizations, notably the Indian and the Chinese, the two I have seen most closely, embody the values of family, of tradition and culture and the importance of elders and place them high on a pedestal ... sometimes at the cost of personal happiness. While the Western values are more about self ... personal goals, personal ambitions, pursuit of excellence and give a damn about society and its rules ... living together without marriage is almost a norm in the West, official forms bear the title 'spouse/partner/significant other' in an attempt to not discriminate ... in Scandanavian countries, illegitimate children are given the same rights as legitimate ones, and bear no social stigma ... children are encouraged to move out and live on their own as soon as they start earning, many parents in the West don't even pay for the college education of their kids, they are encouraged to become independent and not rely on their parents very early on ... which also means they stop being answerable to their parents very early on.
So many youngsters adopt these norms as being signs of being 'modern', 'liberated', 'open-minded' ... yet just yesterday I was talking to my daughter about her American friend and his sister, whose parents' marriage broke up after more than twenty years of marriage ... and the children, one 21 and the other 25 years old, are still struggling to come to terms with the break up and the change in their lives. My daughter told me they don't feel they have a 'home' any more ... even though both are grown up and not even living with their parents any more.
Marriage came into society for a reason ... that is my belief. It's also my culture. So I'm very much on Khushi's side today :)
Random thoughts ... loved the way Khushi hides behind the cupboard, Arnav goes to hold her hand and bring her out into the center of the room, still without her dupatta, as though to tell her she doesn't have to shield herself from him any more, he is her husband ... and then drapes her dupatta around her ... but he will shield her, protect her honor, from the world ... he is her veil, her shield ...
Why this sudden need to SR on Arnav's side? Reminded by the BFTP of the ugly past, when he lost two people so dear to him (yes, his father would have been as dear as his mother, hence the deep sense of betrayal ... you hurt where you have loved), he lost also his home and the comfort of living in a family ... he now wants to wrap that comfort around him, hold Khushi close to him and make sure she is bound so tight that she can never leave him. Feel that he has a home of his own again, a family of his own.
Anjali is and will always be very dear to him, but he never clung to Anjali the way she clung to him, he was happy to release her when she got married, and resigned to being alone. Now he is alone no more, and he wants to hold onto that feeling, cherish it.
Why the sudden need for pheras on Khushi's side? Till a few short days back, the marriage was a contract, a marriage in name only ... slowly it changed ... when the kidnapping happened, her feelings changed ... when Arnav returned she was reminded again it was just a contract ... and then he went all out to to show her that those were just words, it was not a contract any longer ... but acceptance by Di, his closest family, was still lacking. That also came once Raksha Bandhan happened ... and now she is all ready to take on her role as Mrs ASR for life ... but she suddenly realises that she's not ready for the lifetime part, because the marriage is still incomplete from the traditions and norms pov, which is what is most important for her.
Episode update :)
Anjali-Mami ... Anjali continues hiding things from Mami ... Mami is suspicious. =D> Manorama Bond, I prefer you to desi saas ... especially when you're spying on Anjali ... carry on :)
Arnav pacing in his room, still upset over the confrontation with Dadi? On re-watch, there may be have been some symbolism in the suitcase scene, but I think it was put in just to improve his mood, make him forget all about Dadi and get back to more important things ... vis upcoming SR. And Khushi showed her annoyance ... all day he was troubling her, teasing her, getting her flustered and into trouble and she was mad at him! Don't blame her! :))
Janamashtami pooja ... how come Guptas weren't invited? The two elder ladies start ... bathing Kanhaji with milk and water, putting his crown ... notably Payal and Anjali are the ones helping ... not Khushi, she stands back ... she has still not been accepted into the inner circle by Dadi. Even the aarti ... everyone did the aarti except for Arnav and Khushi - was that an oversight or deliberate?
Arnav gives sidelong looks to Khushi at 'zindagi ke kadam tujhse, har khushi har gham tujhse ... vaade kasam tujhse, har khushi har gham tujhse ...' Bitwa's mind is not on the pooja, or on any holy thoughts at all ... :))
Last year, he had to be tricked into attending the pooja, this year he attends willingly with his wife, but it's safe to say his mind is not on the rituals or the sanctity of the occasion ;)
Rocking the paalna ... again by seniority ... Nani hands the first right to Dadi ... it is Nani's house, but she gracefully gives Dadi the first place ... Dadi, hope you remember that one ...
Then Nani, Mami, Anjali ... then the older son Arnav with his wife Khushi ... Dadi is not very happy, Nani has to calm her with a gesture ... finally Akash Payal ...
Pooja ends ... Nani directs them to take ashirwad and Arnav is happy to take the blessings of both grandmothers along with Khushi ... Dadi finally deigns to give a grudging ashirwad. Khushi hesitant ... smiles more naturally when she bows in front of Nani, she knows the wishes are heartfelt there :">
And Nani teases both the couples about more grandchildren ... Payash blush =)) ... Arnav gives Khushi very meaningful look, and doesn't miss his chance ... 'you always say we need to obey our elders, did you hear what Nani said?'
And Khushi is still disturbed ... and nervous ... and annoyed ...
Khushi helping in tidying up, Arnav all caveman ... 'Khushi, come with me,' ... Khushi gives one glare and continues with her work ... Arnav isn't giving up, he follows her to the kitchen ... 'Come on ...'
The man is getting impatient ... where's the fire, Bitwa?! You've waited six months, wifey reminded you one fine day that your wedding wasn't complete yet because you hadn't had your SR, among other things ... and all of a sudden you want to consummate as of right now?! Itne din so rahe the kya?!
Forgot ... yes, he was sleeping ... holding her hand :))
Okay, the guy has spent the day in getting all the preparations done ... getting the clothes, the decorations, the flowers ... no wonder he's getting a bit impatient here :"> Being romantic doesn't come easy to Arnav, and he's really trying here, but its a bit like shooting in the dark for him ... he's nervous too, and he hides it by becoming all ASR and dictatorial ...
And as I was writing this, it reminded me of another day when he spent the entire day preparing for something special for Khushi without having a clue as to what her feelings were on the matter ... her birthday ...
Khushi saved by Nani this time ... and Arnav is now angry ... why isn't she listening to him? After all, he's gone to so much trouble ... he wants to show her what all he's planned for her ... for them ...a special night for them both ... when they will accept their love, their togetherness.
So he calls her in front of the entire family, when she can't get out of accompanying him ... and Khushi is rightfully annoyed ...Nani says 'go and see what he wants' ... problem is, Khushi knows exactly what he wants! :) Rest of the family slightly concerned, no more ... used to the fights by now!
Back to bedroom ... Khushi, you used to shut the door every time you entered when things were not good between you ... why have you stopped doing that now? Shut the door!!!
And Arnav is waiting, angry and a little nervous, Khushi equally nervous ... she lets it out through temper and a very wifely complaint ... 'why did you talk to me like that in front of everyone?!' ... and he replies with equally husbandly annoyance ... 'why didn't you listen to me when I was calling you?!'
And gets down to business right away ... 'this is for you, wear it ...' thrusting a box into her hands ...
Tut tut, Arnav, you haven't learned your lesson yet? Remember the last time you did this for her birthday? Well, you did reform slightly, when you gave her all the little gifts, so Khushi is a little more forgiving this time ...
'Is this a gift?'
'Yes ... for you.' Didn't you hear me the first time?
Khushi is indignant ... this man just doesn't learn. 'Is this any way to give your wife a gift?!'
"I'm like this only, Go wear it!'
Or rather, being romantic is just beyond him ... she might as well give up ... a couple more glares ... a couple more commands from him ... 'not one word. Go. Wear it ...' and she gives up ... he will never learn. She has to live with him, shaitaan and rajkumar both ... doesn't mean she has to take it with a smile ... another glare, and she huffs into the bathroom ...
(SN - can they change those God-awful filthy tiles?! X( )
And Arnav looks at the suitcase and gets busy with the rest of his preparation ...
Dia's note ... OMG, he wasn't kidding. He did mean a SR only ... WT*, Arnav?! One shotgun wedding wasn't enough for you?! Now a shotgun SR? Did you stuff cotton in your ears when Khushi was talking to Garima about her dream wedding? X(
Khushi emerges from the bathroom, looking like the embodiment of every man's dream ... very, very beautiful :"> .... very self-conscious, very shy, very nervous ... partly because the very sexy lehnga choli is missing a dupatta ...:">
Arnav waiting for his bride ... looks around and sees the apsara hiding behind the cupboard ... don't blame that look of spellbound awe on his face ... bitiya was looking ethereally beautiful :">
She looks at the decorated bed and gets even more nervous ... he follows her gaze, and looks even more content ... tonight, his bride will finally be his ... she will be his wife in every sense of the word ... his life partner, his soulmate, his hamsafar ... someone his and only his ...
'Why are you standing there? Come here.' Softly, gently ...
Being Khushi, she has a sharp retort, even in her nervousness ... 'I don't have a dupatta. You bought a substandard outfit ... doesn't it even have a dupatta?'
Of course he knew she'd want that ... so he holds it out with a smile ... 'Here it is. Will you come here to take it or should I come there to give it to you?'
She still can't move out of her very inadequate hiding place ... so he goes to her. And very gently, takes her hand and leads her to the center of the room ... she is his wife, she doesn't need to shield her modest from him ... but he will shield her from the rest of the world ... as he drapes her dupatta around her himself ...
Tumhi dekho na, yeh kya ho gaya
Tumhara hun main aur tum meri ...
Tumhi dekho na, yeh kya ho gaya
Tumhara hun main aur tum meri ...
Main toh anjaan thi, aisa hoga kabhi,
pyaar barsega yun toot ke ...
Never did she expect to be loved like this ... never on the day on the hate marriage did she ever dream that her Shaitaan would turn into her dream Rajkumar ... and would love her so much ... that her dreams would actually come true ...
Sach yeh ikraar hai, sach yehi pyaar hai,
Baaki bandhan hain sab jhooth ke ...
He found love, he found acceptance ... someone who loves him with all his faults, with his temper, his dictatorial ways ... this love is all he needs, all they need ... it doesn't matter what anyone calls it, whether it has a name or not ... for him they are husband and wife in the true sense of the word ...
Meri saanson mein hain ghul rahi pyaar ki dheemi dheemi ragini ...
And she seems to be getting lost in the same feelings ... yes, the love they share is the most important thing, overwhelming them both in its flood ...
Tumhi dekho na, yeh kya ho gaya
Tumhara hun main aur tum meri ...
And so when he holds her close, hugs her to him, she doesn't protest, she goes into his arms ... even in her disquiet ... this love is all they need, isn't it ... love is the true marriage of minds and hearts ...
But it isn't ... it's the most important thing, but it's not all they need ... it's not everything ...
Love is the foundation of marriage ... but it's not the whole edifice ... not in the society she lives in, the society they both come from ...
And that feeling of disquiet, silent when he lays her on the decorated bed, when he bends to caress her ... suddenly flares into life as she sees the Radha-Krishna murti by her bedside ... and remembers the discussion on pheras ... that's why everything is not all right ...
(SN - who took away Devi Maiyya and put Radha-Krishna there?)
'No, Arnavji ...'
He was prepared for nerves, so he asks very gently ...'What happened, Khushi? Are you okay?'
But it's not just bridal nerves ... she's worried about something else ... their incomplete wedding rituals ... is her marriage sanctified by God and society?
He doesn't care about God, society and rituals ... so he loses it ... she's worried about going round the fire seven or eight or however many times? After living like husband wife for the last six months?! Okay, we'll do that too, if that's so important to you!
The reason why every time Arnav tried to come close, get romantic, the discomfort was always there ... this started as a contract marriage, it became much more, they both want it to become a real marriage ... but for Khushi, that discomfort was always at the back of her mind ... their wedding and the way it happened ... the lack of approval by parents and society, the lack of all the elements of the ceremony, the promises, the vows ... he gave her the trappings, the mangal sutra and the sindoor, without understanding what they meant to her ... almost as a challenge to her and her beliefs ... and today he does the same with the pheras ... for him, they are just seven rounds around a fire ... the vows and promises they signify are lost on him. For him, their love is enough ... and he's furious that it's not enough for her.
A man who never believed in love at all, only in deals ... he has come a long way ... for him today, their love is everything ...
A man who doesn't care what the world thinks of him ... who can out-stare his Dadi with his wife held firmly in his arms, cannot begin to understand his wife's embarrassment at the situation ... they are married in his own eyes, in their minds ... that is enough for him ... and it should be enough for the world.
But the world, including his own family and hers, may not think so ... and it's his wife who will have to face that world ... as she did once before ...
SN - for me, the pheras hold more significance than the ms and the sindoor ... I still don't own an MS, and I hardly ever wear sindoor ... but the pheras are the vows, the promises of lifelong commitment ... they are just not a stroll around a fire ;) And the wedding vows are not only an essential part of every wedding ceremony, but the commitment between husband and wife ...
Arnav and Khushi again at cross purposes ... this time both are right ... yes, love is the most important thing, rituals are not ... but when you live in a family and a society, the sanction of that society is necessary. Love is the foundation of a relationship, without love, any relationship will crumble ... but without a name, without commitment, relationships can flounder.
Although I will say this ... when he loves her, and doesn't really object to rituals when it concerns his Di ... he attends poojas, keeps fasts, avoids non-veg, when Di says so, so it's not a clash of beliefs, he's not an atheist ...
So would going through a small private wedding ceremony because his wife believes in it, be that tough? Not because he believes in it, but because she does ... and what she wants matters to him.
It mattered when he gave her the birthday gifts he knew she would love ... does it not matter for the most important event of their lives?
I did admit I'm on Khushi's side on this one :)
Six months of living together, of which the last two or so definitely included sleeping on the same bad ... so what exactly lit the fire in Bitwa's dimaag about his long pending SR? :)) Such a roaring fire that he can't even wait for the family to retire to bed =))
I always thought Khushi dressed in those tents for a purpose ... see what happens the moment she wears a gorgeous sari or lehnga with sexy blouse with some doris? Bitwa's hormones go on a rampage!!! =))
Tut tut, Arnav, those were some very unholy thoughts in your mind during the holy Janamashtami puja ... so ready to obey Nani's orders about supplying her naatis already? :)) What an obedient boy you are ... I don't think! ;)
Speaking of fires, what happened about Bitwa's anger with Dadi? Did it get cooled down by the sight of his wife's crazy antics with crazy box? What was that box all about anyway?!
Song was okay ... didn't see the point of having two songs, Tumhi dekho na and Rabba ve ... they could have kept kept just the one and kept the entire song ... the first was quite nice, but ended abruptly and went into Rabba ve ... that was awkward.
And the reason for the Radha Krishna conversation by Nani ... to remind Khushi about her missing pheras ... if Nani hadn't reminded her, would Khushi have gone ahead with the SR? She sure looked quite willing at one point ...:">
Last scene ... vintage ASR vs Khushi ... he with his 'I don't give a damn' attitude, she with her insistence on the rituals and rites, the importance of social customs and traditions ... and the final "I love you, dammit!" ... finally Arnav confesses his feelings, again under duress ... and in a temper ... he wouldn't have done it any other way ...
And Khushi can't believe her ears ... the trembling smile at the end :">
Sanaya looked simply stunning in both the purple saree and the red lehnga ... the clothes, the hair, the make up ... :"> don't really blame Arnav for losing his head so completely ...
And why oh why was he still wearing his waistcoat when starting his SR?! :-o :-/ Couldn't he have taken at least that off while waiting for her to change clothes? =))
*edited*
Will be edited in parts today, as I have a hectic day ahead ... random thoughts first.
This post should have been titled Clash of Ideals ... the original premise on which the show was based and actually became popular ... the clash between the arrogance and pride of a self-made man, who believes he writes his own destiny, and the morals and ideals of a simple small town girl, who believes that Devi Maiyya and divinity guide our paths, even though we walk them ourselves ... and tradition and the blessings of elders and family are essential for complete happiness.
A conflict between the ideals of the West and East in a way ... living in the Far East has shown me that most older cultures and civilizations, notably the Indian and the Chinese, the two I have seen most closely, embody the values of family, of tradition and culture and the importance of elders and place them high on a pedestal ... sometimes at the cost of personal happiness. While the Western values are more about self ... personal goals, personal ambitions, pursuit of excellence and give a damn about society and its rules ... living together without marriage is almost a norm in the West, official forms bear the title 'spouse/partner/significant other' in an attempt to not discriminate ... in Scandanavian countries, illegitimate children are given the same rights as legitimate ones, and bear no social stigma ... children are encouraged to move out and live on their own as soon as they start earning, many parents in the West don't even pay for the college education of their kids, they are encouraged to become independent and not rely on their parents very early on ... which also means they stop being answerable to their parents very early on.
So many youngsters adopt these norms as being signs of being 'modern', 'liberated', 'open-minded' ... yet just yesterday I was talking to my daughter about her American friend and his sister, whose parents' marriage broke up after more than twenty years of marriage ... and the children, one 21 and the other 25 years old, are still struggling to come to terms with the break up and the change in their lives. My daughter told me they don't feel they have a 'home' any more ... even though both are grown up and not even living with their parents any more.
Marriage came into society for a reason ... that is my belief. It's also my culture. So I'm very much on Khushi's side today :)
Random thoughts ... loved the way Khushi hides behind the cupboard, Arnav goes to hold her hand and bring her out into the center of the room, still without her dupatta, as though to tell her she doesn't have to shield herself from him any more, he is her husband ... and then drapes her dupatta around her ... but he will shield her, protect her honor, from the world ... he is her veil, her shield ...
Why this sudden need to SR on Arnav's side? Reminded by the BFTP of the ugly past, when he lost two people so dear to him (yes, his father would have been as dear as his mother, hence the deep sense of betrayal ... you hurt where you have loved), he lost also his home and the comfort of living in a family ... he now wants to wrap that comfort around him, hold Khushi close to him and make sure she is bound so tight that she can never leave him. Feel that he has a home of his own again, a family of his own.
Anjali is and will always be very dear to him, but he never clung to Anjali the way she clung to him, he was happy to release her when she got married, and resigned to being alone. Now he is alone no more, and he wants to hold onto that feeling, cherish it.
Why the sudden need for pheras on Khushi's side? Till a few short days back, the marriage was a contract, a marriage in name only ... slowly it changed ... when the kidnapping happened, her feelings changed ... when Arnav returned she was reminded again it was just a contract ... and then he went all out to to show her that those were just words, it was not a contract any longer ... but acceptance by Di, his closest family, was still lacking. That also came once Raksha Bandhan happened ... and now she is all ready to take on her role as Mrs ASR for life ... but she suddenly realises that she's not ready for the lifetime part, because the marriage is still incomplete from the traditions and norms pov, which is what is most important for her.
Episode update :)
Anjali-Mami ... Anjali continues hiding things from Mami ... Mami is suspicious. =D> Manorama Bond, I prefer you to desi saas ... especially when you're spying on Anjali ... carry on :)
Arnav pacing in his room, still upset over the confrontation with Dadi? On re-watch, there may be have been some symbolism in the suitcase scene, but I think it was put in just to improve his mood, make him forget all about Dadi and get back to more important things ... vis upcoming SR. And Khushi showed her annoyance ... all day he was troubling her, teasing her, getting her flustered and into trouble and she was mad at him! Don't blame her! :))
Janamashtami pooja ... how come Guptas weren't invited? The two elder ladies start ... bathing Kanhaji with milk and water, putting his crown ... notably Payal and Anjali are the ones helping ... not Khushi, she stands back ... she has still not been accepted into the inner circle by Dadi. Even the aarti ... everyone did the aarti except for Arnav and Khushi - was that an oversight or deliberate?
Arnav gives sidelong looks to Khushi at 'zindagi ke kadam tujhse, har khushi har gham tujhse ... vaade kasam tujhse, har khushi har gham tujhse ...' Bitwa's mind is not on the pooja, or on any holy thoughts at all ... :))
Last year, he had to be tricked into attending the pooja, this year he attends willingly with his wife, but it's safe to say his mind is not on the rituals or the sanctity of the occasion ;)
Rocking the paalna ... again by seniority ... Nani hands the first right to Dadi ... it is Nani's house, but she gracefully gives Dadi the first place ... Dadi, hope you remember that one ...
Then Nani, Mami, Anjali ... then the older son Arnav with his wife Khushi ... Dadi is not very happy, Nani has to calm her with a gesture ... finally Akash Payal ...
Pooja ends ... Nani directs them to take ashirwad and Arnav is happy to take the blessings of both grandmothers along with Khushi ... Dadi finally deigns to give a grudging ashirwad. Khushi hesitant ... smiles more naturally when she bows in front of Nani, she knows the wishes are heartfelt there :">
And Nani teases both the couples about more grandchildren ... Payash blush =)) ... Arnav gives Khushi very meaningful look, and doesn't miss his chance ... 'you always say we need to obey our elders, did you hear what Nani said?'
And Khushi is still disturbed ... and nervous ... and annoyed ...
Khushi helping in tidying up, Arnav all caveman ... 'Khushi, come with me,' ... Khushi gives one glare and continues with her work ... Arnav isn't giving up, he follows her to the kitchen ... 'Come on ...'
The man is getting impatient ... where's the fire, Bitwa?! You've waited six months, wifey reminded you one fine day that your wedding wasn't complete yet because you hadn't had your SR, among other things ... and all of a sudden you want to consummate as of right now?! Itne din so rahe the kya?!
Forgot ... yes, he was sleeping ... holding her hand :))
Okay, the guy has spent the day in getting all the preparations done ... getting the clothes, the decorations, the flowers ... no wonder he's getting a bit impatient here :"> Being romantic doesn't come easy to Arnav, and he's really trying here, but its a bit like shooting in the dark for him ... he's nervous too, and he hides it by becoming all ASR and dictatorial ...
And as I was writing this, it reminded me of another day when he spent the entire day preparing for something special for Khushi without having a clue as to what her feelings were on the matter ... her birthday ...
Khushi saved by Nani this time ... and Arnav is now angry ... why isn't she listening to him? After all, he's gone to so much trouble ... he wants to show her what all he's planned for her ... for them ...a special night for them both ... when they will accept their love, their togetherness.
So he calls her in front of the entire family, when she can't get out of accompanying him ... and Khushi is rightfully annoyed ...Nani says 'go and see what he wants' ... problem is, Khushi knows exactly what he wants! :) Rest of the family slightly concerned, no more ... used to the fights by now!
Back to bedroom ... Khushi, you used to shut the door every time you entered when things were not good between you ... why have you stopped doing that now? Shut the door!!!
And Arnav is waiting, angry and a little nervous, Khushi equally nervous ... she lets it out through temper and a very wifely complaint ... 'why did you talk to me like that in front of everyone?!' ... and he replies with equally husbandly annoyance ... 'why didn't you listen to me when I was calling you?!'
And gets down to business right away ... 'this is for you, wear it ...' thrusting a box into her hands ...
Tut tut, Arnav, you haven't learned your lesson yet? Remember the last time you did this for her birthday? Well, you did reform slightly, when you gave her all the little gifts, so Khushi is a little more forgiving this time ...
'Is this a gift?'
'Yes ... for you.' Didn't you hear me the first time?
Khushi is indignant ... this man just doesn't learn. 'Is this any way to give your wife a gift?!'
"I'm like this only, Go wear it!'
Or rather, being romantic is just beyond him ... she might as well give up ... a couple more glares ... a couple more commands from him ... 'not one word. Go. Wear it ...' and she gives up ... he will never learn. She has to live with him, shaitaan and rajkumar both ... doesn't mean she has to take it with a smile ... another glare, and she huffs into the bathroom ...
(SN - can they change those God-awful filthy tiles?! X( )
And Arnav looks at the suitcase and gets busy with the rest of his preparation ...
Dia's note ... OMG, he wasn't kidding. He did mean a SR only ... WT*, Arnav?! One shotgun wedding wasn't enough for you?! Now a shotgun SR? Did you stuff cotton in your ears when Khushi was talking to Garima about her dream wedding? X(
Khushi emerges from the bathroom, looking like the embodiment of every man's dream ... very, very beautiful :"> .... very self-conscious, very shy, very nervous ... partly because the very sexy lehnga choli is missing a dupatta ...:">
Arnav waiting for his bride ... looks around and sees the apsara hiding behind the cupboard ... don't blame that look of spellbound awe on his face ... bitiya was looking ethereally beautiful :">
She looks at the decorated bed and gets even more nervous ... he follows her gaze, and looks even more content ... tonight, his bride will finally be his ... she will be his wife in every sense of the word ... his life partner, his soulmate, his hamsafar ... someone his and only his ...
'Why are you standing there? Come here.' Softly, gently ...
Being Khushi, she has a sharp retort, even in her nervousness ... 'I don't have a dupatta. You bought a substandard outfit ... doesn't it even have a dupatta?'
Of course he knew she'd want that ... so he holds it out with a smile ... 'Here it is. Will you come here to take it or should I come there to give it to you?'
She still can't move out of her very inadequate hiding place ... so he goes to her. And very gently, takes her hand and leads her to the center of the room ... she is his wife, she doesn't need to shield her modest from him ... but he will shield her from the rest of the world ... as he drapes her dupatta around her himself ...
Tumhi dekho na, yeh kya ho gaya
Tumhara hun main aur tum meri ...
Tumhi dekho na, yeh kya ho gaya
Tumhara hun main aur tum meri ...
Main toh anjaan thi, aisa hoga kabhi,
pyaar barsega yun toot ke ...
Never did she expect to be loved like this ... never on the day on the hate marriage did she ever dream that her Shaitaan would turn into her dream Rajkumar ... and would love her so much ... that her dreams would actually come true ...
Sach yeh ikraar hai, sach yehi pyaar hai,
Baaki bandhan hain sab jhooth ke ...
He found love, he found acceptance ... someone who loves him with all his faults, with his temper, his dictatorial ways ... this love is all he needs, all they need ... it doesn't matter what anyone calls it, whether it has a name or not ... for him they are husband and wife in the true sense of the word ...
Meri saanson mein hain ghul rahi pyaar ki dheemi dheemi ragini ...
And she seems to be getting lost in the same feelings ... yes, the love they share is the most important thing, overwhelming them both in its flood ...
Tumhi dekho na, yeh kya ho gaya
Tumhara hun main aur tum meri ...
And so when he holds her close, hugs her to him, she doesn't protest, she goes into his arms ... even in her disquiet ... this love is all they need, isn't it ... love is the true marriage of minds and hearts ...
But it isn't ... it's the most important thing, but it's not all they need ... it's not everything ...
Love is the foundation of marriage ... but it's not the whole edifice ... not in the society she lives in, the society they both come from ...
And that feeling of disquiet, silent when he lays her on the decorated bed, when he bends to caress her ... suddenly flares into life as she sees the Radha-Krishna murti by her bedside ... and remembers the discussion on pheras ... that's why everything is not all right ...
(SN - who took away Devi Maiyya and put Radha-Krishna there?)
'No, Arnavji ...'
He was prepared for nerves, so he asks very gently ...'What happened, Khushi? Are you okay?'
But it's not just bridal nerves ... she's worried about something else ... their incomplete wedding rituals ... is her marriage sanctified by God and society?
He doesn't care about God, society and rituals ... so he loses it ... she's worried about going round the fire seven or eight or however many times? After living like husband wife for the last six months?! Okay, we'll do that too, if that's so important to you!
The reason why every time Arnav tried to come close, get romantic, the discomfort was always there ... this started as a contract marriage, it became much more, they both want it to become a real marriage ... but for Khushi, that discomfort was always at the back of her mind ... their wedding and the way it happened ... the lack of approval by parents and society, the lack of all the elements of the ceremony, the promises, the vows ... he gave her the trappings, the mangal sutra and the sindoor, without understanding what they meant to her ... almost as a challenge to her and her beliefs ... and today he does the same with the pheras ... for him, they are just seven rounds around a fire ... the vows and promises they signify are lost on him. For him, their love is enough ... and he's furious that it's not enough for her.
A man who never believed in love at all, only in deals ... he has come a long way ... for him today, their love is everything ...
A man who doesn't care what the world thinks of him ... who can out-stare his Dadi with his wife held firmly in his arms, cannot begin to understand his wife's embarrassment at the situation ... they are married in his own eyes, in their minds ... that is enough for him ... and it should be enough for the world.
But the world, including his own family and hers, may not think so ... and it's his wife who will have to face that world ... as she did once before ...
SN - for me, the pheras hold more significance than the ms and the sindoor ... I still don't own an MS, and I hardly ever wear sindoor ... but the pheras are the vows, the promises of lifelong commitment ... they are just not a stroll around a fire ;) And the wedding vows are not only an essential part of every wedding ceremony, but the commitment between husband and wife ...
Arnav and Khushi again at cross purposes ... this time both are right ... yes, love is the most important thing, rituals are not ... but when you live in a family and a society, the sanction of that society is necessary. Love is the foundation of a relationship, without love, any relationship will crumble ... but without a name, without commitment, relationships can flounder.
Although I will say this ... when he loves her, and doesn't really object to rituals when it concerns his Di ... he attends poojas, keeps fasts, avoids non-veg, when Di says so, so it's not a clash of beliefs, he's not an atheist ...
So would going through a small private wedding ceremony because his wife believes in it, be that tough? Not because he believes in it, but because she does ... and what she wants matters to him.
It mattered when he gave her the birthday gifts he knew she would love ... does it not matter for the most important event of their lives?
I did admit I'm on Khushi's side on this one :)
Very ASRish today...some bits I loved some bits I was indignant but the terrace scene worked for me...Somehow liked that ASR hasn't gone all mush - 'Main aisa hi hoon'!!!
ReplyDeleteTum kyon Akash bitwa kar rahi ho bey..I barely saw you over the weekend?
DeleteI did too, now that I am a bit calmer. Stil atleast want to push him inside the terrace hi sahi.
Hey Shweths!! I know I'm sorry have been swamped but can't resist R&R so come here quickly read and do an Akash bitwa..
DeleteBut tomorrow is chootti-I HOPE!! so will definitely post a longer post:-)
SN: LOVED Anjali's sari and Khushi's lehnga...Hope these clothes continue till friday...
Aaaaammmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
ReplyDeletePata nahi kyoun?
Even I had the same question as ASR .... "Ho kya gaya hai tumhe?" Why sudden deep thoughts on rituals of marriage? Din't give it a single thought for last 6 months.
Anyways bakwas *gloatwa ve* ....bola tha na khushi bolegi "hamare phere nahi huwe" Satyanash!!!!!
I want to fire HP..WHO asked him to keep that murti in ASR's bedroom.
DeleteMust be Anjali - her version of Rukavat kay liye khed hai.
Yeah I am mad at DB, HER SAREE was the prettiest of the lot,grrrrr
DB uses her ASR connection n gets the best stuff....i liked Khushi's saree but not the curls .....
DeleteSama, i second u, Kya ho gaya hai Khushi ko.....but atleast he confessed cause of that....
kal storm aane wala hai.....
and that suitcase push wala scene .... I swear if I read any decoding with that scene I will ...aaaah whatever.
DeleteEven a 10 year old at home said "er mata abar ghure geche" as in "sar phirse sanak gaya"
Why o why IPK is doing this ..... Khushi was the girl with utmost interest in preparing all the puja stuff ....not a single scene ....some implied dialogues bas. What are they playing at????? She IS the female lead and will remain so. Fix her, Dammit!!!!!!!
She falls down on the ground or in the eyes of the people, ang Bitwa pulls her up, go figure!!!
DeleteGautam Hegde has completely lost it, this is what happens when you write for 3 shows.
ReplyDeleteThis morning, I actually saw Madhubala enact the same damn scene.
He breaks a chair and drags her around for pheras.
Even if I hadn't seen it , I soooooooooo wanted to push Bitwa off the terrace today with a parachute ofcourse.
Can't have a broken leg and back for an already pending SR.
I hated it when he called her in front of everyone. No one looked as if they were ready to retire for the night. Can you imagine how embarassig it would have been for Khushi when she didnt came down and people kind of MIGed why he called her.
I did not like he dragged her all the way to the terrace. Kyon bhai pool side may jagah kam thi kya pheray lenay ke liye.
One thing I noticed he MUed her in the terrace, he told her I love you terrace.
The woman in me feels indignant and slightly insulted.
I am apalled at the way they showed how desperate ASR was for the whole bloody thing.
They could have had that same argument inside the privacy of the room with Dadi overhearing it.
Chances are by the time she gets down, the whole family will be ther and firing squad again. Even if he defends her, the miles will not get added to his RTR.
2 Reasons why I didn't push him off (as if I could)
1. When he saw Dadi, he DID NOT LET GO OFF KHUSHI...Sandy was here she will tell you, he will not leave her ever...He will stand by her.
2. And he did tell her finally I love you.
That song waste of money...That radha krishan murti, since when Duhhhhhhhhhhh..
Sanaya looked gorgeous. Bitiya bhi kam nahin what was the blouse she was wearing to tempt her hubby not to have SR. Bitwa wants Doris...I loved what he got her, finally the fashion house owner thing coming to surface.
And looks like the whole cast got new stuff.
I am so irritated I am not even going to crack a joke on Akash Bitwa.
Which reminds me the thing that got to me from the very beginning, we had Payal, Nani, Dadi and Anjali doing the initial pooja, why was Khushi left out and called only towards the end, grrrrrrrrrrr
Shiddat realized..on I love you Dammit. Dunno If I am happy or not.
ReplyDeleteWhere is everyone????????????????????
Hi5 BG!!
DeleteSame here pata nahi I liked the epi or not .... Total rushed .... Waste of song .... Rabba Ve instrumental would have been better ..... And I was annoyed with sound department the whole time.
About puja Ditto !! Nani needs to annouce she is badi bahu .... Well not untill re-marriage I guess.
tumne bulaya aur hum chale aaye....
DeleteSame here for Puja, seemed like she was an outside just like ASR....abhi dono bahar jaane waale hai RM se....isiliye maybe
DeleteTo me killed him off a bit, he came off looking despo..IF is drooling, I mean seriouslyyyyyyyyyyy..
DeleteBelieve me I drool on ASR too when he is droolworthy not when he is cringeworthy.
shweths, in ASR's defense, I think he was ready to take marriage to another level...because in his head they are already married and the only thing that's stopping the completion of their marriage is its consummation..
Deletebut ofcourse, it didn't come out that well.. :S
ok seriously, WHO wrote today's episode???!!! I could have done a better job than this... :S
Mads You would have done a better job than this. Array I totally get it, he doesn't get rasams.
DeleteBut I WISH he would have tried and understood her, slowly , gently and then exploded...totally came out frustrated sorry:(
I did GO THUDDDDDDDD when he didn't put Khushi down.
Shweths..
DeleteI think today he was actually ASR...
for a moment, just forget the parts leading to the actual bed scene. they were poorly designed scenes for such a build up but it was nothing but a traditional man v/s woman argument......of how they see physical intimacy. Add to that the unique dynamics of the ARHI relationship
let me put it differently...Today's epi signifies the epitome of conflict in a marital bond..
suppose, one is a theist and the partner an atheist...as simple as that...how does such a marriage work? it works if one agrees that such matters are private matters...but between partners what is private...here comes the conflict and the need for maturity...
One way is for the beliefs to change but another way is also there...of accepting diversity of belief in such a close bond....
Arnav can attempt to understand why Khushi holds those beliefs dear and Khushi can attempt to understand what holds arnav back from embracing the faith
for ASR, Khushi has transcended many of the societal moors..showed to him that she cares for him above everything else...and as a man who does not place much importance to rituals...he is ideally poised to make that tall claim that he did in the terrace...
what he can't however take away from Khuhsi is her mental conditioning and the beliefs that she has grown up with. of placing rituals at the heart of such bonds...believing that blessings of elders are important for the bond to flourish...
Its not about who is right....its about understanding what is of value to ur loved one...Arnav will understand that Khuhsi has made many sacrifices even knowing there was no future in the relationship yet she gave her all to keep him and his family safe....he will see the miles she has already walked for him
I Love R&R, Dammit!!!
ReplyDeleteKahaan hain sab!!
Dadi ko need ki bimaari hai or is she doing part time job patrolling the house?
ReplyDeleteerm...does anybody else also feel that the song was SO uncalled for?! IMO they could have done without it..although I am glad they did choose the exact verse that I thought should have been appropriate.. although the lines "main to anjaan thi, yun bhi hoga kabhi, pyaar barsega yun toot ke" were SO not-in-synch with khushi's expressions!! :S either sanaya was off today or they intended to show it that way.. somehow didn't gel wel with me.. but "sach ye ikraar hain, sach yehi pyaar hai, baki bandhan hain sab jhooth ke" with arnav putting dupatta around her head totally worked for me.. so then on I started watching the bedroom scene totally from arnav POV.. :))
ReplyDeletethe terrace scene TOTALLY worked for me.. :))
couldn't help but empathize with khushi...@sama, she didn't give all the rituals a single thought all these 6 months because she didn't know the marriage is for the keeps...in her head, she was going to move out after 6 months.. but now that she realises, this is it, she can't help but want her marriage to be complete.. her dream marriage.. with all the rituals - phere et al.. arnav's frustration and anger was justifiable too "kya hai yeh phere aur riti-riwaaz, aur humari feelings se badhkar kaise ho sakte hain?" SO totally arnav..
again, a clash of two strong beliefs...two strong individualities.. I am sure the forum must be an uproar today..all blaming khushi, but I will say that i am glad that they did infact retain her basic essence and that is, fighting for her principles.. she truely, genuinely, believes in each and every ritual of marriage...for her, everything adds up to the completion of marriage...
its like, for her, ALL the ingredients make a perfect dish - one ingredient missing and she wouldn't eat it without any ingredient missing, whereas, for arnav, the whole dish as a whole matters and he wouldn't give a damn about one/two ingredients missing or being here and there.. :)
liked the way the CVs displayed their emotions...khushi, trying to make her point, not angry that he doesn't understand her, but genuinely making an effort to explain "aap humari baat samajhne ki koshish kijiye" and arnav, ruthless as always, not even beginning to understand her...not letting go of her even when dadi arrives and hears what khushi has to say as though daring her "yeah...so what if we haven't completed the pheras? I am gonna romance MY WIFE on my terrace without any remorse...you got that? MY WIFE.." :))
too bad I won't be able to watch any more of this week's epis.. :( but m glad the song made an apprearance today..atleast I wouldn't be left apprehensive the whole of my vacation! :P
contd..
DeleteApart from the scenes and dialogues that I mentioned above, nothing was even remotely interesting! :S
the first part of the epi with the puja and everything looked SO disconnected with the second part.. :S
and WT* was it with khushi pushing that huge peetara?? :S the only thing that made me feel good abt the scene was that ASR got out of his gloom upon seeing his pagal biwi..
if I were to say, this has to be the WORST epi amongst the ones that I have seen, for the sheer pathetic-ness at which it was attempted to put together.. the writers/editors have gone insane!!
ditto on the suitcase ....they could have shown her preparing puja stuff with childlike joy ....that would have been enough to pull him out of his misery.
DeleteAnother thing I liked is today khushi addressed her worries about Dadi having issues with her and somewhere his actions are making it worse. ASR or not it not a nice thing to be hold by husband infront of Dadi saas ....not when its not some ritual being performed, specially not after Dadi did not decline.
Wese aaj marriage convo 360 hogaya ..... Don't tell me it will take Feb for them to do a 360 marriage!! Aiyyyooo (Sandy ajao laut kar tum yeh dil keh raha hai - be back soon yaar)
ReplyDeleteyaar....bahut der kar di huoor aate aate.....i meant us....ok
ReplyDeletemixed feelings on the epi...
the funny thing is both POVs count and that is the crazy thing called love in a marital bond.
while Khushi was right in respect of her expectations so was arnav in what he saw as a bond purer than the one that society confers its "sweekriti" on.
Aranv has seen sham relationships blessed by society so why wold he care for that...he at last found someone to love beyond all that so what has society got to do with it
Khushi a sweet traditional girl, grown up with the beliefs of happily ever after, falls for a man that she tried to stay far away from...but it is difficult to upturn years of belief even in the throes of passion.
They will meet each other half way
i loved ASR in the terrace scene...esp his explosive "kya yeh hamare feelings se badkar hain" and the ILU that followed
while arnav has learnt to love his way, he will also learn to love the Khuhsi way...
Khushi will see the mad man she has fallen in love with for what he really is and will walk miles to meet him
that is the beauty of true love....
Having said that....i found the build up a bit irritating....they could have shown it more creatively with the same result...me thinks
Rekha, my exact thoughts about the terrace scene!! :)) me liked the two different POVs too.. :)
Deleteand yes, you are right, they will meet each other half way.. like, he will genuinely try to perform some rituals for her and she will realise, slowly that her beliefs apart, her love for him is beyond all that..
one good thing is that now khushi can genuinely try to put forth her POV across without getting mad, because he has said, not once but twice that he loves her and this time on the face.. she knows how difficult it is for him to say out loud his feelings, but he did it...and that's why the smile in the end.. she really, IS that important to him.. she has seen his actions many times, today, for the first time he said it out loud in so many different words..
the last time he said ILU, she put heaven and earth together to rescue him from the kidnapping... what will she do this time?
waise, one thing was always bothering me when these remarriage talks always went around - the fact that arnav doesn't really believe them, so why should he do it? for khushi's sake, true.. but she wouldn't be happy just because he did it for her...that's his forte.. for her, the real true happiness will come from the fact that he started believing in all those things for her and because of her.. and he has to say that out loud too, in many different words..
he has already started with saying ILU to her face...so I think he has dropped another of his shields.. :)
I don't know if the CVs are headed in that direction, but I would certainly love it if it goes this way.. :))
Exactly Rekhs!!that scene showed just how different these two are!!even if ASR will not believe everything K believes in and vice versa..they will definitely find a middle ground!!
DeleteI agree episode was too ASRish, uptill now I had thought that he was ASR for the world, but for his Khushi he was Arnav. I was hoping he will be gentler with her. I didnt like that he got so worked up that Pheras are not done, despite knowing that Khushi cares alot for them.
ReplyDeleteAnd if the purpose was for him to confess, I get it but still I wanted a better execution. I felt that he took all his anger of dadi on poor Khushi. He just seemed to get it done with!!
Now finally Khushi has heard it from the man himself. The smile was cute, but it will be short lived.
I guess now we are up for a battle as damadji will be back..Dadi saying that ASR doesnt respect a ritual like shadi thats why to him doesnt matter whether his sis's husband stays or not. and Khushi will have to leave. But ASR will make sure Khushi stays with him, he will never ever let her go..just the way he didnt let her down in front of dadi. Wanting to prove to the world that he loves Khushi and thats all that matters to him.
But please CVs, handle ASR character with care. At times he did come across very unreasonable today
Sukhi
Khushis choli was total drool worthy and that "mein wahan aon ya tum yaha aogi" Ufffff!!!!!
ReplyDelete"tumhi toh kehti ho bado ki baat manni chahiye" wicked :D
I KNOW!!! seriously, despite being a girl, I found myself drooling over Sanaya more than Barun today! :P :P oh wait, that happens too many times in this show! :P can't deny, I do have a huge girl crush on her, she is SO beautiful yaar..and the BEST part is that she is not the typical plastic beauties that you gt to see these days, she has looks + talent + a lot more qualities that make her a good human being.. :))
Deleteanyways...I can go on and on about sanaya, so I think I will just stop! lol..
the only thing worth watching in the janmashtami celebrations was that for "zindagi pe karam tujhse, har khushi har gham tujhse" arnav looked and khushi.. and vice versa.. :)) I did a mental disco dance at that part!! :D ROFL.. is khushi already overtaking di's position @ "meri zindagi mein sabse important hain"??!! I will be THRILLED if that happens... :P
and then how he guestures khushi when nani says "ab hume aapse naati ki umeed hain" (note that she said "pota" to akash and "naati" to arnav.. awwww!)
and even though they were called much much after their deserved turn, ArHi looked the BEAUTIFUL couple when they were moving the jhula together.. :)
totally agree with girl crush stuff ....i have more of those ....&the natural beauty stuff. I hate gym build bodies we see everywhere. I like the natural flow &I love toned body in guys not oversized cow(beefy :P).
DeleteOh YES!!!! Me noticed that too. He looked at her with so much affection when "har khushi har gham tujhse was playing" wwhhooohooo...... Par sab mitgaya with "ILU, DAMMIT"
madsie not far away that he will have to accept it to him and the world .... Khushi is what matters the most. Ek bar janne toh do Di kya gul khila rahi hain.
Why do I have a feeling bitwa will leave RM and agree to remarriage only on biwis insistance. Garima-Khushi convo will playout. "hamein zara sa bhi taqleef ho wo bardasht nahi kar sakte" this will be pain unbearable to her.
what i am interested in is..how will he explain the terrace scene to the family! DD will obviously tell the whole family..and insult Khushi...will she change clothes? or will her clothes lead to more questions and insults from DD?
DeleteASSR, i hope at least for Khushi's sake, say more than so what? i know how this marriage happened, and walk away!!
Khushi deserves better!!
then i think..at the end of todays scene..he left angry..will DD anger him more?? leading to an exchange of strong words for which K will feel guilty and leave??
Mads, agree with u bt Sanaya, me too have a girlie crush on her...such an awesome human-being, so down to earth...and her honest portrayal of all the reel-relations is the best thing bt her...
DeleteThe Day ASR comes to know that Anji is still meeting Snakewa behind his back, that Day Khushi will be more important then Di, cause Khushi watched his back even when he insulted her, and Di, even after showering her with love, she goes and back-stabs him.....his spirit will shatter that day....and only khushi will be there to hold him together......
"yeh koi tarika huwa pati ko tofa dene ka"
ReplyDeletebitwa biwi ko puri riti riwaj aur samman ke saath ek bar ghar leao phir tumhari "mein aisa hi hoon" ka aisa tie tie phissss hone wala hai kya bataon!!!!
offho !! Patni*** ko
Deletei liked the episode..especially the last part..ASR's outburst was damn good!!and Khushi's happy smile showed she needed that confirmation! if only she'd say it back sometime!
ReplyDeleteDB did get the best saree, didnt she?? that black would have looked lovely on Sanaya!
in a twisted way, i can understand why ASR was ready for the next step..desperate though he seemed! i think, in his head, he feels getting physical is natural as their feelings for each other are mutual and his wife only recently started making a big deal of the pheras!
and Dadi is annoying!!will these two ever have a private moment together without someone interrupting them??
and loved the way our boy and girl looked today!!Sanaya's eyes were magical!!
Anita its so strange nah how all their moments before marriage was so damn private :D
Deletehaan yaar..no one had a clue how they were always at loggerheads..were fighting those ever existing undercurrents..and now that they are married..not one single private moment!!and i dont mean for only romance..fight, yell, tease, even pull each others hair if they want to!just no interruptions!!
Deleteam just hopeful that all that anger and all will lead to more rabba ve's :P
yeah bitiya comes down sees a hurt pati and softly cups his face and kiss him on forehead (baki SP hai so am keeping check) and manao pati "aap samajh rahe hai na" *ArHi dreamland*
Deleteif that does not work start crying bitiya .... Yell like there no tomorrow .... Bitwa won't know what hit him and he will make everyone perform every ritual within 2 days.
6 months back he went to the terrace to say "I faraq you" and married her half way. After 6 months in the same terrace he said "I love you" with a dammit tadka. Abhi puri ki puri shaadi hogi.
ReplyDeleteWow Sama pats herself for the connection made :D
Terrace 360 indeed !!!
terrace pe married her halfway??ye kab hua??
Delete"Wow Sama pats herself for the connection made :D" ROFL
hum kitna sochte hain naa connections ko connect karne ke liye!!:D
Haawwww Anita I was the proud owner of gold fish memory aap to humse bhi golden nikli ..... ROFL
Deleteremember terrace hug which lead to marriage??? ASR was about to say "I faraq you" right??
Wese forced marriage ka bhi 360 hogaya .. Pehle force sinddor aur mangalsutra aur ab forced phere. Cholo forced ka kouta pura huwa ab acche bacche ke tarah pesh ao!
oh oh oh!! sorry Sama!
Deletemein soch rahi thi..ASR K se halway terrace pe shaadi kab kiya?!!! LOL
yes yes i remember that scene!! not easy to forget..
arre romance toh without interruption hone do..bacchon ke liye hum intezaar karenge :D
ok girls whats the update today?? was phera first or the SR??
ReplyDeleteaaru as usual sare ke sare almost.
DeleteWese aaj phirse pataka khishi boli
"kese kapde hain, is ke saath dupatta nahi diya" ROFL
sirf khushi hi bol sakti hai with HH ogling :D
par aaj pura ka pura confession
"I LOVE YOY, DAMMIT"
IF has few post discussing whether it was rape attempt by ASR or not.
ReplyDeleteWHAT THE !! In the most possible F way :O
yea Sama..people are going crazy over there!!
DeleteJust finish watching the last part,
ReplyDeleteI loved the terrace scene, one it was terrace 360, on that fateful night he had come to tell her that he loved her, but was met with a MU which he forced her into a hate contract marriage and ruined her life completely,
Today, he again forces her for the marriage the incomplete pheras, but this time again there is witness to the scene, dadi who is going to MU, but he did say the magical ILU.
and think it was better that pheras was incomplete for one I still hope for a proper wedding, although I am liberal in sense that its personal choice of the ideologies of marriage and its acceptance, exactly the way either we believe in God or not...
One for ASR to understand still today the society and the family does not miss a chance to point out need and necessity of marriage for a girl.
The marriage is always from the women point of view, to give her respect, responsibilities and security and status in the society, while for a man it is just a righteous claim to the women,
what I loved here is ASR's argument that is these society created rituals more important than their feelings... esply incise of Arhi where a man who does not believe in these things is ready to complete that for her and to next step in their relationship, although in anger.
Am not saying he is right or wrong, but that his pov is emotional and practical aspect about any relation while hers is emotional, social and religious.
There had to be a clash on this and happy that it did. Would have loved if the real marriage was because Arnav wanted to give her a dream wedding, I still hope it would be the reason. The stigma from dadi and society because of which bitiya is sent back to GH. Arnav has to understand that even if Khushi does believe in these rituals, she did stay with him on contract with him for 6 months (ok that was her majboori, but when she left before the contract ended, she still believed in the marriage and did all she could); today she wants a real one so she can in her heart and mind call herself Mrs ASR / Mrs Khushi ASR. Now I don't think ASR will initiate the marriage, it will be Nani who will the ask for remarriage for Khushi dignity and ASR will agree for it but to give her dream and for society and am sure he will make it clear to her..
I see this epi leading somewhere.....it was flawed in the build up but i saw the perfect crescendo.....almost like a bad mukhda but rescued by a beautiful antara....
ReplyDeleteI could perfectly understand the reason for Khushi's smile at the end of the ILU seq....at the first instant, i found it odd ...as if ILU is the only thing that changes a love story...but on closer watch, i could relate perfectly with that smile that Khushi could not hide....her man who cannot bear to tell what is in his heart pours it out in that one moment...to tell her that he stays married to her in deed and spirit becos he loves her...dammit notwitstanding...well the paraphernalia bhi hota toh sone pe suhaga...
Should have just accepted Madsies scoring and avoided the epi - if it were any other show i would have given it a 2 star rating - but coz it was IPK , i give it a -2!!!
ReplyDeleteWhat was all that - the most disjointed episode ever!
What was the box shifting thing???? And ODB who could not see ODG even stumble, let her fall so hard on a hard floor and did not do anything but laugh at her??? Was the scene to show that ODB's mood had changed from brooding to amused thanks to wifee so she does not have to notice he is troubled???
You guys felt that ODB was character ASR - but i could not feel so - ok the way he gave her the gift was ASR - I agree with Shwetha - ODB just came out frustrated and obsessed, not in love (the forced cake - Anjam like obsessed - one min all angry and the next as soon as wifee is in a skimpy blouse and HIS fantasy is being played out - he is all romantic - sorry was not in good taste!)
Finally - was he in ASR mode? yes the way he spoke, but tell me something - the guy who even when his fury was at its peak, did not forget the MG and sindoor - things he thought were imp to ODG, things he got her in a mandir in presence of her DM, things he did not believe in even then but did it coz it was imp to her - why did not listen to her now - now when he is crazy about her - why could he not take her to a mandir and get the pheras done???
the only reason i could think of was this:
- if the CVs had shown ODG trying to talk to her DB instead of being angry at him (and shifting boxes that land up out of no where) - acting as if him talking of being together was repugnant to her - he would have reacted better - for once he had out in the effort his way - got her the dress, did up the room - a no was a rejection of him.
After all these people do share a room - why could not ODG talk to him and explain what she felt???
and don't even get me started on the song!! - absolutely uncalled for - just added to the obsessive Anjam type feeling - their own RVs are fine, do they have to copy songs from films to say they are the SRK of tellywood????
the CVs just keep giving in to popular demand - people wanted a separation and a remarriage - so it has to happen - so what if it is teh need of the story or nor, so what if it is in character or not - had those two just kept this private (like their convo after marriage - where she says you have orphaned me once again) - it would have made sense to me - now it was just toooo filmy - breaking a stool and by the way what kind of wood was it that it caught fire in a sec??
sorry for the rant but am so disappointed! and also felt ODG did not look her best - her saree and lehnga and make up were just ok (Anji's saress was lovely!) and ODG's hair style was horrid - those kiss curls made her look old! (SN her grah pravesh dress was way way better)
Mona,
DeleteI can see ur point on MG and Sindoor symbols and the pheras not making any headway wth ASR even when he is actually in love with her now..
My post in not a defence of ASR, not in the least, just a perspective of ASR as i saw it.
To me it appeared that ASR was not comprehending why after the travails they as a couple have endured, should the symbolisms really matter to Khushi....it was in a way an extension of that question he asked her at GH" tum ise yuhin khatam hone dogi?"
To ASR, the way they conducted their marriage has no bearing on how they now live their marital life. For him, its a dried and dusted matter, not to be revisited...In a way, whats happened cannot be erased...but is not willing to accept that the bonds are so brittle to have sanctity only if ritually complete.....its not about whether his perspective is right or wrong..its a perspective of a person who places greater emphasis on living the vows more than the ritual relevance..
But ASR will learn that feelings of loved ones in matters of the heart do matter.....so also how society can be especially insensitive to women in such issues...the aftermath of his actions will be borne by Khushi more than him...he will have to see her bear the pain...again....
thats exactly my point Rekha - for ASR - he had done all he should have - why was ODG not telling him she wanted more??
Deletei am not only asking 'why' for ASR's behavior (which to me was ASR style but not character) but also ODG's behavior - i really felt the CVs messed up big time - they just gave in to the 'wanted by fans' remarriage scenario with lots of rasams etc and basically a month worth of episodes taken care of! you know - cant show SR now coz that is a TRP puller - will advertise for that separately - keep them close but apart to keep the fire on (actually i felt no chemistry yesterday at all!)
They did not think about the story as a whole or the characters.
AND - ODG knows ODB loves her - all this while he has shown her her happiness matters - the gifts, the efforts to win her over, after kn scenes, him telling all he trusts her etc etc - Dont get me wrong - she wanted to hear it said out loud - categorically - that i agree with - but why the shocked expression?? she was waiting for this moment - then why sooo surprised that he went away and she took so much time to respond - why could she not hold him back - tell him she loved him too and hence it mattered to her that this wedding should be a marriage for life
so to me it seemed like a scene written to showcase their styles not their characterization (wish i could explain myself better) - the guy who did all he thought was imp to her - all that was needed to complete a wedding when he was furious with her could not listen to her now? and ODG who could tell off ODB on any and everything - does not talk to him about her wish to have a marriage for life
ANd before anyone says - she has always been scared of him - or that he has never listened - i beg to differ - she has always spoken her mind and he has always listened (albeit not at first instance!) Plus where is the progression of the story then? if the characters are still not close enough to talk - despite so many scenes and tracks showing them getting closer to each other - emotionally and physically - then how have the characters grown? how has the story grown?
Nah - the CVs messed it up for me - the characters in my head are better defined and evloved
Mona,
Delete" things he did not believe in even then but did it coz it was imp to her ":
Is that how it came across to you when that actual episode happened? I felt, then, he was making a mockery of her beliefs. It was like- at the end of 6 months 'this'- the fact that I put mangalsutra and sindoor on you- both precious for you- and still threw you out; that should rub more salt on your wounds. There was no consideration for her feelings or beliefs there. It was all a part of the punishment!
Shifting the box: there is a big symbolism there. I am not exactly sure what it is. I'll attempt it later if noone else comes up with it.(Considering our Symbolism expert is on leave.)
I don't know about the premise on which he had to drag her to the terrace, but I felt it was beautiful that he attempted the pheras on the exact same terrace where the MU had started their wedding 6 months back. It was like- he was purifying their relationship and the terrace by that fire. I know all of us don't like symbolisms, but I am just trying to tell you there may be a message there even if it seems illogical.(Wet wet terrace- 2 matchsticks and the fire lit up like magic!)
"had those two just kept this private ": How will the rest of the world come to know about the burden ODG had to bear for their sake? Both di and jiji should know. It may not happen any time now- but her efforts have to be appreciated some time, right. Try and consider this the first step towards that.
Mona, I don't think this secret came out now for a remarriage track, it is to make ASR realise later that he should have listened to her. I feel this may not end up in remarriage right now.(Not sure, since I didn't expect him to be serious about SR- but I must say I am impressed the way they did it- minus that song!)
Rekha,
"also how society can be especially insensitive to women in such issues...the aftermath of his actions will be borne by Khushi more than him...he will have to see her bear the pain...again....": beautifully said.
Mona,
DeleteStill upset with ASR? Read Opti below.*hugs*
"why sooo surprised that he went away and she took so much time to respond" - She knows he loves her. She was just surprised at the way it came out. One moment he was all angry and then comes ILU and then he stomps out. She was not expecting a confession there- just a patient hearing or an argument from him- the ILU came out of nowhere and it hit her hard.
DeleteHence the slow response and the slow smile. It took a while to register that the Great ASR confessed his love when she had known it all along. Isn't that what he said also- not my feelings, but 'our' feelings. THey both know that they love each other- just that she was surprised to hear him say it. And she loved it even if he said it in anger and frustration.
May be she liked it better that way!I thought she was almost grinning at the end.(My imagination.)
"the guy who even when his fury was at its peak, did not forget the MG and sindoor - things he thought were imp to ODG, things he got her in a mandir in presence of her DM, things he did not believe in even then but did it coz it was imp to her"
Delete"all that was needed to complete a wedding when he was furious with her could not listen to her now?"
I have a different view here. When I first saw the scene. My first reaction was "Oh Boy!!! He leaved no stone unturned to rip her off her believes. Made a mockery out of her believes right infront of HER DM. Proving his point "I am ASR, I write my own destiny""
I agree to the fact that its high time cts make them talk ... yes there are couples in real life where even after 25 years of marriage doesn't talk much or discuss much but those are examples of marriage which even the parents agrees they should not have forced the couple into.
After the chana and jalebi I did want them to talk.
Hello ladies
ReplyDeleteAs I am not sure of the traditions and rituals of an Indian marriage, can you please confirm to me if they are legally married or not.
Thanks Lin
Yeah, me too. Just lost.:) pls. enlighten us. Thank you ladies!
DeleteLin, Cheng,
DeleteTheir marriage is legal, you can take ASR's word here.
That is why he is kicking up such a fuss about the pheras- it is just a stupid ritual for him.
Lin, Cheng,
DeleteIts a bit complicated here......i am in a rush now...so i will try to explain the legal aspect as best as i can, when i come back to the blog...
If ASR and Khushi accept they are married, there is no issue on the legality of marriage;the issue comes up only if it is challenged by one or the other....its actually a strange situation....will try to come to this point a little later. This is so becos there are no witnesses, no ritual confirmation, that is required for a marriage to be considered valid..
here it is important that the two persons involved accept that they are married...For eg if Khushi were to deny being married, the onus will be on Arnav to prove they are indeed married.....and vice versa.....
That is why it is always advisable for marriages to be registered in a court of law
My response is not specifically linked to IPK, just a view as how things stand today
for the time being, i will leave with u a recent news item link
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_cabinet-approves-bill-on-compulsory-marriage-registration_1674966
Rekha,
DeleteCan I share a thought here? It is only a speculation and I am just thinking aloud.
'it is always advisable for marriages to be registered in a court of law':
That part has not been shown till now in the show. I've given up on legalities long time back, since ASR should've known back then itself that a sindoor and MS is not equivalent to marriage. Was he mean to get her to stay with him on the pretext of a marriage when it is not legally valid?
K said to NK that she has met Mr. Roy before. WE all thought it was the Payash- divorce-coffee shop scene. She only had a glance of Mr. Roy there. What if she actually met him before that when he drew up the contract? They showed it only in SBS, so I am not sure. But there has to be some legal document somewhere for a proof- driven person like ASR to claim that they are legally married, right? Or did he suddenly start believing that sindoor and MS are enough to call theirs a marriage. I really really hope there is a legal document somewhere around.
Grrr... Why didn't they show them signing some papers sometime after the wedding? Forgot, CVs? Or ASR gave up his shatir dimag once again?
Su,
Deletejust to clarify,my point was not about IPK at all...it was on legal stand in India
IMO,in respect of IPK, the signing of the papers would have taken away from the drama...its all about what the two feel about this relationship..not bound by legal aspects....but a bond stronger than any "bandhan".
Just for the record, even in IPK, Arnav can still prove she is his wife, even if there is no proof of ritual...and it can also be contested by Khushi becos such alliances are borne out of mutual consent.
on your point of legal papers..i guess the feeling of Arnav when he married her has been a matter of great debate..what he was thinking then and what he thot as soon as she stepped into that room...it was never going to be easy...so let us just rest our case for the need for legalpapers in this marriage....
Where eej NK babua???
ReplyDeleteThere are different traditions in different parts of India .in north India pheras. ase are an integral part of the wedding ceremony but it is the vows which are the. Main thing. And in Kerala where only an exchange of garlands in presence of deity is the only thing for a marriage to be solemnised . Of course normally a shubh muhurat is chosen and only very close family is present.it is the simplest marriage ceremony any where as I know.
ReplyDeleteAs to arnav and Khushi it is going to take a long time for arnav to understand her views and Khushi has. Also to appreciate thatch he has waited pAtiently for her to be ready for her to understand not only his feelings for her but also her own feelings for him.
One last word he has been a gentleman otherwise there was ,all opportunity for him to rape her Sorry such a word should should not be used in SP show
I am not very clear on who is right and who is not . My sympathies are for both not only for Khushi unlike all you girls may be because I am older so please forgive if have hurt any feelings
Dia, beautiful take. Yes, marriage as an institution is still important, particularly in the Eastern cultures though sadly it is losing its value among the younger lot. They say that for human beings the umblical chord never gets severed. Marriage gives that security and balance not only for the partners involved but also the offsprings from the union.
ReplyDeleteComing to Arnav's behaviour, I think that his urgency and brusque attitude was not only because of his need to cling to Khushi because of his insecurities triggered off by the BFTP. Yes, he was disturbed by his interaction with Dadi and her questioning of his decision, then and now. I feel that this irked him no end. No one questions his decisions. His frustrations were temperarily put on hold when he got distracted by his wife's craziness, cuteness and beauty and the eager anticipation of their night together. The more she tried to escape his attentions, the more he got irritated because he felt that she too was being defiant. This brought out the brusque side in him and he ordered her to do as he wished. Her raking up the phere issue just as he was about to consummate their relationship seemed to remind him that his decision did not meet her approval. When she had earlier brought up the phere issue he did not reject it but only told her that they would be reversing the order but yesterday coming as it did right after Dadi questioned his decision, it made him want to stamp his authority. He did not have the time or the patience to hear her out because she suddenly seemed to be more keen in clinging on to those stupid rituals rather than consider his feelings, just like his Dadi for whom traditions and customs mattered more than people. I felt he would have been more receptive to her request for them to wait till the pheres were over had he not had the showdown with Dadi. I would say it was the alpha male in him speaking and acting the way he did. His sensitive side was temporarily suspended as he tried hard to not get carried away by the currents of the past which was threatening to wash away the new found happiness he had managed to get from his relationship with his wife.
Opti,
DeleteYou have explained ASR so beautifully. Absolutely wonderful!
Opti, u made the scene more profound for me by your explanation of Arnav's perspective
DeleteDia, I loved ur take on Khushi's need for pheras now...she has never believed that this was her relationship by any right...beautiful.....
so, some questions after seeing that episode.
ReplyDeletedadi-arnav shouting match ended in last episode.. arnav is still mad/brooding.. he sees khushi wrestling with a big trunk.. in the poolside.
1. why did khushi not hear the shouting match?
2. If the trunk was so heavy that khushi could not move it even braced against the wall, how did it jet off after arnav pulled the trowel from under it?
3.if khushi is arnav's wife, she has more right to bathe kanha at raizada house than arnav's dadi mallik.. who forgot riti riwaj in the IPK creative room?
4.that radheshyam statue that was sitting in the background of balgopal? how did it jump to arnav's bedside ?
5.khushi changed into arnav's gift.. peeked ut of the bathroom.. did she not see the decorations then?
5. the dupatta he decided not to pack.. looked eerily like the dupatta that flew off lavanya and landed on khushi's head. was the scene supposed to be 360 of that scene?
er... emmm.. loved the rest. no more questions.
Dia &Opti your take left me panicky -
DeleteDD already said it on Arnavs face that he was wrong then and he is wrong now.
Now she finds out khushi wants pheras which Arnav din't provide her or is not ready to do so.
Arnav has been wrong in the way he forced marriage on khushi. Its a different issue that both of them have decided to get past it.
Now DD is not going to say Arnav was wrong. Once she has made it clear to everyone that khushi wants pheras, which neither will deny. She is going to rub it on Arnavs face saying your beloved wife does not approve neither you nor your judgment. OUCH!!!
So all in all DD proves he is wrong making Raizadas(MM &Akash) wonder whether he was right about Shyaam. It will definitely be enough for Anjalis happy bubble. Speak of ugly!!!
Blogger it was suppose to be a different comment!!!
DeleteJayaaa nicely put. My issues too with the suitcase scene. Totally uncalled for. Symbolism jaye badh mein. Dikhana hai toh be more creative to come up with something that fits the flow and decoding both.
First part of puja too. Last year they made so many accidental issues to make these two hold a thal together and stand infront of DM.
Also the idol ... why RK idol which is not part of their room. DM would have served the purpose too. Its about believe right.
I have another problem. NK the one who was all eager to know about RK story goes missing? Was the purpose only to remind khushi about the incomplete pheras .... why should it be so ... why just a sudden panic reaction. Shouldn't this be something naturally evoked in her the moment she accepts the relationship for life.
Khushi who prepared everything of last years janmashtami puja so much that Nani invited her family so that she can stay back and complete her task, is seen nowhere now even though she is the Badi Bahu.
be that it may Sama, it will still not make things different between Arnav and Khushi...becos they know the entire story...
DeleteArnav knows Khushi's only issue is with the rituals not being followed...
The issue with dadi and the rest..well thats another story...they could well take that reference...and i would say about time...
enuf of anji exchanging messages and acting all coy...its probably time for a full blown war....
it will be ugly....and i dont think IPK promises it to be anything else....bring it on...
Su, thank you
ReplyDeleteOpti, just beautiful
Dia, just loved your words. I totally understand how your daughters friends must feel. I do think that a marriage breakup is hard on older children. I know this from personnel experience. But although it was difficult I encouraged my children to build bridges with their father because whatever had happened was between myself and my husband. I apologise for the personal reference here.
I know I keep saying this, and I know she is an elder, but I really don't like dadi. If they could just make her to be a little understanding of the pain that has been inflicted and how her grandchildren have had to move on to survive. But trouble Is coming again for poor Khushi, how this girl suffers.
Lin
Khushi pushing the box:
ReplyDelete1. It is an old box: Symbolises the old school of thought and Khushi is hung up on it. It shows the importance of rituals for her. And it is a burden on her.
2. ASR looking on: He is not able to understand her thinking. He is trying to, but he just can’t get the significance of all these rituals. For him, what is important is that they both have feelings for each other and isn’t that enough?
3. ASR sees the wedge: He thinks he is seeing the solution to the problem- he tries to help in his way. (Conducts phersas ASR- style, because he still does not understand the importance of these things, but he will try and help. And he is genuinely trying, not making a mockery of her beliefs any more.)
4. ASR pulls out the wedge and immediately Khushi falls down: It could mean how Khushi was again seen in a compromising situation by dadi or something that could happen later- as in, she might suffer greater humiliation in future because his action made the truth about the pheras come out of her mouth.
5. ASR offers to help her- he is not upset that she hit her head-( He is in a mild shock. He did not expect that small action would cause her any harm): ASR will try to help, again in his own way, because he still does not believe in rituals and the whole pandemonium that may arise when the truth of their marriage comes out is not going to change his beliefs. But he will help, may be offer to do things ‘her’ way because it seems so important in this stupid society.
6. Khushi picks herself up, she does not need his helping hand here: She knows she has gone through fire. She knows he knows her and loves her no matter what the world thinks of their relationship.
* Is she willing to give up the box now?*
Point 6- I am not sure if this is how the story will go forward. But I never felt much for the remarriage from the beginning. Especially at this juncture, when dadi is upset with Khushi and Anjali is a wreck.I want it to be a happy time for everyone.
Yesterday's epi got me an entirely 'nayi soch' in my beliefs.I am old fashioned and all that- but somehow after yesterday’s episode, I felt that I wouldn’t mind if SR happened any time now. If you think from ASR’s pov, yes of course, they are married for all practical purposes.THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THEY LOVE EACH OTHER! I wouldn’t mind if the remarriage happens much later, not because Arhi wants it, but if Di insists on it. (Who knows? She might insist today!) If the CVs have to show remarriage now for trp pov, WTH- I’ll just have to take it that way.
hmm.. so ASR, by pulling out the wedge, removed khushi's load, but made her fall and turn around her viewpoint. though she is freed by the thought that love matters more than rituals, she does not accept his hand.. she walks away in a huff! what would you make of that?
Deletesome days i wish there was an official IPK thread on IF where the creatives explained the character's thought process.. and the symbolisms.
Jaya,
DeleteSOME DAYS? I wish they'd do it everyday! Really, we need an official explanation. But there is definitely a symbolism there in that scene- that much I am sure of.
Did you read Redux? Tanthya has a different take on the box.
Read namedX too, no symbolisms there: Both BRILLIANT takes in different ways!
And indeed, it was an epic episode!
"she does not accept his hand.. she walks away in a huff!"
I explained that in point 6. I take it that the moment she gets up by herself, the symbolism in that scene ended there.
yes, i did read redux today.. need all the help i can get!
Deleteseriously, i think the script and acting are in two different directions.. if the CVs will at least explain to the actors (what the character is going through, wht is gonna come next week, why is arnav reacting like that, what is the reason khushi is so concerned about suhaagraat) i think the actors will emote better .. right now, it is always situational acting.. sometimes very far off the mark.. hence i need redux to decode the symbolisms to at least understand what is happening on screen.
if I need R&R and redux to understand a serial, no wonder the TRPs are not high... normal people who do not get on the internet to search for meanings of a serial will have absolutely no clue what is happening on screen! ..and who will watch something they dont understand?
BTW, these days the delay time in each scene is more. (every dialogue, they show all 20 ppl's expressions ) i hate that in other serials, i was glad that IPK did not have that VERY IRRITATING habit.. but now they do. hmpf!
J,
DeleteI really CAN understand your frustration.
I've said this before too, it is not fair on the CV's part if their mesage is not clear for the ENTIRE audience. Are they making IPK only for a select audience who understands symbolisms? If so, then they have no business looking at trps. They will simply not get a better rating than this. Balika vadhu is much simpler, closer to the rural audience and now it has the second marriage coming up. It happens to be a good serial and it is in the same time slot!(Why can't they make DABH compete with BV?)I ranted once on this, that there has to be more monologues.(All of us do!)
Cont.. the rant, do you know where these shatir CVs gave us a monologue? The scene where ASR goes to pick up K after the 2 hours(just b4 her leg in plaster), he stands outside the door and says:"At last main Khushi ko Ghar le jaaonga"!!! WT!!! Wonderful monologue!!! Thanx!!!
Don't know where I am going, probably still ranting/ admiring.
When I started watching IPK, I had no idea about symbolisms. It looked like a pretty straightforward story to me, once I understood the character of ASR and Khushi. ASR was easy, still is. Khushi- it took a while to understand this childwoman- but once I did, I loved her.
Symbolisms- the idea came from R&R. I found it funny at times, because a scene can be interpreted any way you want. Plus I felt I could follow the story so far without any symbolisms, so I really doubted it.
NOw I know differently. Previously even though I understood the story, it was a 'bumpy' ride- for the same reasons as you quoted above. Too many bloopers/ glaring inconsistencies.
Now I know those hiccough moments- most of them at least are because it is a different way of story telling. They have put symbolism and symbols throughout! And if they stand out from the rest of the script, it is meant to be so. It is to tell you- you are getting a hiccough- watch out for symbolism.
Like nani tying up ceramic jars in the living room.(That's supposed to be a kitchen scene.), paintings changing all of a sudden, etc. (NOT ALWAYS! That is why I LOVE your blooper posts. Because you pick up the minutest of details!)
Disconnected a bit here- my son got hiccoughs!-
I'll gladly join your rant. Gul, who watches your show? The aam aurat- not even the aam aadmi- very few men watch the show. And if you are aiming at the educated class- which you are- since the 'aam'rural aurat does not follow ASR- YOU OWE IT TO US to give a weekly update on your characters- because you neglect the monologues.
(About the script and acting- I have to differ with you there. They know EXACTLY what they are doing. The director gets the exact expressions out of them.) (MOst of the time.)
J,
DeleteSorry, couldn't resist this:
"what is the reason khushi is so concerned about suhaagraat)":
Is it really that confusing?
Don't you feel it is a bit of both- a little apprehension at the prospect of losing her virginity and a big worry about SR happening before Phere. If you see her emoting both, it is because it is both. So, I feel it is not out of place if it is either of those expressions you are seeing.
OS: On Tonite's epi, what hopefully happens:
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Radha Kishan ek doosray say bahut pyaar kartay thay, par unhonay kabhi pheray nahin liye.
Kya hotay hain yeh pheray?
Kya hotay hain yeh riti riwaz?
Don't our feelings matter?
I love you dammit!!
She realized she was crying.
He was again responsible for her tears.
This time, she didn't mind them.
He had finally said what she yearned to hear for so long.
She wanted to run and stop him and tell him...
Tell him what?
That she loved him too?
Would he listen to her this time or would he brush her off in his anger?
Did she have it in her to go through the heartbreak a third time?
Memories of Diwali night and her own marriage night flashed in her eyes.
Both occasions she had been taken to the steps of heaven and mercilessly pushed towards hell by him.
What if history was repeated again?
She was scared, Devi Maiyya not this time please, she pleaded to her DM.
She still could not muster enough strength to go after him, she slowly walked towards the swing on the terrace, sat and tried to calm herself.
She thought of him, of her, the two of them - of what they had been through last year, their journey as she relieved all their moments as they were coming back to her:
Mere liye iss baat ki ya tumhari koi ahmiyat nahin hain.
Don't our Feelings matter khushi?
Tum hoti kaun ho? meray kamray may aakar meray cheezon ko haath laganay ki himmat kaisay huui?
Khushi Meri Patni hai, woh jahan chahay jaa sakti hai, jiz cheez ko chaahay dekh sakti hai, choo sakti hai!
GET OUT!!!
Khushi tum waapis toh aaogi na.
Tumhay yeh lagta hai main jo karta hoon, tumhari wajah say karta hoon, You do not matter to me do you understand.
Khushi meri patni hai. Khushi aur Di meri zindagi may sabsay zyada important hain.
I can't believe mujhay yeh 6 mahinay tumharay saath guzarnay hongay issi kamray main.
Jahan meri patni kay liye jagah nahin hain wahan meri koi zaroorat nahin hain.
Tum hoti kaun ho jo mujsay yeh sab sawal kar rahi ho?
Biwi ho tum meri, Haq banta hai tumhara.
Main tumsay nafrat karta hoon, sunna tumnay, cos I hate you dammit.
I LOVE YOU DAMMIT
Khushi looked at the stars above and saw her parents. She felt their smiles and blessings as if to say, You are not wrong this time sweetheart, go ahead, Take the next step.
She closed her eyes and prayed to DM, Guide me Devi Maiyya, what should I do?
She opened her eyes and found him staring at her with an unreadable expression on his face, yet his eyes told a different story.
A story that she could read correctly finally.
He had come back for her.
Radha Krishan ek doosray say bahut pyaar kartay thay, that is what mattered.
Shwetha,
DeleteBeautiful! *hugs*
"that is what mattered."
wow.. this is really nice.I dream to have such a scene :)
DeleteShweths....nice contrast of ASR's vaani that u have put up here....a journey almost...
Deletei was just thinking y'day..the beauty of yesterday's terrace scene was in the genesis of the ARHI journey....it was not a standalone scene..if we make the mistake of seeing it only as that one scene, there will be no beauty in that scene...only recriminations of how, why, what....
but seen in terms of the journey like the one Shweths has described above....i would say all questions answered....not for us but for these two involved in this journey...
as he said...Is pyaar mein sach aur jhoot kuch nahin...
Aandhi ki tarah udkar ek raah guzarti hain
Sharmati hui koi qadmon se utarati hain
In reshmi raahon mein ek raah toh voh hogi
Tum tak joh pahunchti hain is mod se jaati hain
Is mod se jaate hain
wow! (applause)
DeleteWOW!! lovely...really brilliant Shweths!
DeleteDIA!!! EDIT -Waiting anxiously:-)...Cannot see the next episode without your update:-D
ReplyDelete(she didn't give all the rituals a single thought all these 6 months because she didn't know the marriage is for the keeps...in her head, she was going to move out after 6 months.. but now that she realizes, this is it, she can't help but want her marriage to be complete.. her dream marriage.. with all the rituals - phere et al.. )
ReplyDeletemadsie, you beautifully explained something i had not thought of.
she agreed to a sham of a marriage to a monster.. "mangalsutra, sindoor, now act like my wife!" for the sake of her sister. she was fully prepared to step out of his life at the end of 6 months.
which is why she refused to drop her surname.
which is why she was thankful for sleeping at the poolside(and not forced to share his bed).
which is why she asked for a 300Rs loan from him for holi.
which is why she started her own dabba service..
and yet, when he gets kidnapped, she faces everything she was shying away from dealing with.. "nafrat ki neev se.."
and then once she made up her mind, she went all out to save him from danger, bring him home.. and then, "I love you" happened. and on retrospect, her terrified face in the hut scene makes sense.. she is compromising on her values.. she is a temporary wife.. she does not want to consummate the baseless relation...but she cannot deny him anything. she loves him, and he loves her..(SN dont ask me why she changed into that sleeveless backless blouse then :D ..that tear in the original red salwar was more than enough for arnav to get MIG)
after they come back, a new relationship forms.. iss pyaar suddenly gets its name. both of them say it.. yet the sham of a marriage is still on both their minds.. when she tries to leave, he stops her by mentioning the contract..so she believes that he is still considering this a 6 month contract. she leaves.. he brings her back after assuring her that this is much more than a contract.
(SN i'm taking your word for it Dia.. i'm still not convinced of this part)
back at RM, he takes pains to please her.. give her that status of wife that he previously denied her.. fights with his dadi for her.. and shares his pain with her.. that is more than enough for khushi. she is finally beginning to accept/hope that this marriage is for keeps. so she agrees to the suhaagraat.
and now, she uses the haq as wife for the first time..(stops him on the bed ROFL) she wants him to correct a wrong. the seven rounds around the fire, the seven promises a couple make to each other.. she wants that. she does not care about the forced MS or vermillion, she just wants to complete the rituals.. (every little girls dream.. all the rituals of a grand wedding.. khushi forsakes everything else, she just needs the pheres to be complete, and she will accept the wedding..) but arnav does not understand her sudden fixation with rituals.
he has accepted her, he has given her full status in his home, his heart, his nani and di have accepted her..why is she asking for rituals? he forgets suhaagraat, he is furious..he just pulls her off to the terrace(through the mainhall? wont it be easier through the poolside?) and breaks some chairs (and a kerosene can?) to make a roaring fire.
khushi is not afraid of the monster now.. she explains to him that these rituals are important to a marriage.. (even when she is being carried around the fire.. she is quite used to being carried around by her arnavji :D ) and he is simply ridiculing her need for the seven rounds.. but then stops. (what was dadi doing on the terrace?) and now he is hurt.. "does it not matter that i love you? is it not enough for you? why do you think rituals are more important than my heart at your feet?" and he stalks off.. and she is so happy she could fly!
J,
Deletewow *applause*
U know, whenever i don't relate to a scene here,i keep badgering everyone here to explain things to me...and i do that everytime becos i believe totally in ARHI....
and everytime, one looks at this story as the viewpoint of these two, it all falls into place...in a way this is a story that restrains people from putting in their own perspectives much as this sounds rude and probably unacceptable becos we look at any story from our own sensibilities but ARHI is classical becos it tells the tale of these two seemingly different individuals who have fashioned their own love story..
aww rekha, thanks..
Deleteone funny pic
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3146902
Jaya thats exactly why I loved the terrace scene...The point was that he was angry that she needed more confirmation than just their feelings..It wasn't about the interruption well not mainly;-) about the interruption but that she needs anything more than their own acceptance...
DeleteVery well written:-)
taaliyan
gargi, thanks.. and another post (dia, i am trying to keep spamming to a minimum) http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3146722
DeleteJaya,
DeleteReally cute post above(yours!). And this IF post to. Thanks!
Happy to see you have made peace with the SR epi!
Finally updated :)) Thanks, girls, for all your comments ... reading them helped me to put my thoughts in order as well ...
ReplyDeleteHad a hectic day so couldn't get round to replying, but my replies are hidden in the edit, as the edit today is a combination of my own thoughts and the discussions here.
Lin, Cheng, as far as legality of Indian weddings go ... Indian marriages are social events, and until registration of marriages became mandatory a few years ago, there was NO legal evidence on paper of marriage. Hence the ceremony was very important, the guests basically served as eye-witnesses to sanctify the event. When we went to get our marriage certificate from court, we took our wedding invitation, photographs and an eye witness who swore on oath he had attended our marriage.
When I applied for a name change on my passport after marriage, I needed to submit photographs of the ceremony and the wedding card, and a written statement again by a witness - I didn't have my marriage certificate by then.
Even now the system is the same ... there is no registration done during the ceremony, the certificate is obtained later from court.
So the presence of witnesses is actually very important for a traditional Hindu ceremony ... unless of course the bride and groom go to the registrar's office and do a registered marriage there. A couple of friends of mine did that ... they got married to obtain the certificate, because the husband lived abroad, the wife had to apply for her visa based on marriage ... but the family did NOT consider that the real marriage ;) The 'REAL' marriage, ie the Hindu ceremony happened once the visa had come, and the wife was ready to leave with her husband.
This is unlike the Christian ceremony, I think, where the bride and groom sign the register in church ... am I right, Lin?
Dia..
DeleteI am glad u put the point on Arnav's resigned acceptance of Di's insistence on rituals....
Another thing that i was reminded of..
actually, its back to the the only comment that i always put up to stop further debate on contentious issues such as these..
Its a dialogue from the movie Abhimaan where JB tells AB on him enquiring about her beliefs on some rituals surrounding a stone structure. She says "maano tho bhagwan, nahin toh phattar". translated for my non-Hindi speaking friends here If u accept, the stone symbolises a god, else it is just that..a stone"
I can't say for surety that society reactions are always mirrored correctly in reel world but to an extent they do imitate the real world...which is why Arnav saying that he places love above everything else will draw the applause but Khushi saying the same thing will not elicit the same reaction..talk of the unequal worlds man and woman inhabit..
Dia, su, rekha,
DeleteThanks.. I'am a christian. Your right about signing the marriage certificate on the exact day after wedding ceremony.
Rekha,
DeleteI remember that dialogue from Abhimaan ... a similar thought to Khushi's view on stars, isn't it? It's a matter of faith ... if you believe those are your parents, they are ... otherwise they're balls of fire ...
And yes, very true it's a man's world still in such matters, especially in traditional societies ... Arnav saying love is everything is all very well and applause-worthy ... wow, the man is so much in love ... he doesn't care about the world.
But Khushi saying that will result her in being called his mistress ... there IS NO equivalent word for the man in the relationship, is there? The inequality is right there.