Friday, August 10, 2012

10/8- Epi 317 ... Bomb Blast from the Past

Friday 10th August

Starts with light-hearted teasing and goes on to full-fledged drama.
Felt bad for Arnav today ... after years, he found happiness in life, the courage to move on and embrace the future, he was busy enjoying the teasing and laughter with his wife, and moving towards living a normal life ... in comes not just Blast from the Past, but a Bomb Blast ... intent on repeating the mistakes of the past. :(

So both parents committed suicide ... one after the other.
Did Dadi imply that Arnav was responsible for throwing his father out of the house? He was all of fourteen years old at the time, wasn't he? Rather a neat way of passing the buck, I must say.
So it seems more and more that Arnav's dad had an affair, his mother was busy making life miserable for her daughter-in-law and absolving her son of all blame ... so the mother took the easy way out ...

Was Arnav's mother really weak? Or is that a convenient way of passing the blame to the daughter-in-law and sparing the son? And Dadi has obviously not forgiven her grandson for favoring his mother and rejecting his father.

Mami is well and truly on Anjali's heels ... so far she hasn't really suspected anything suspicious, but she's getting there.

Anjali is getting bolder and bolder .. or is that Shyam getting bolder and bolder? So now she goes out to meet mysterious stranger, all smiles and sunshine ... puts off both Arnav and Mami to do so ... will they exchange notes?

As always, when Khushi is missing for the bulk of the episode, it loses its flavour, and leaves me dissatisfied ... hope the SR track, amusing though it is, is just a filler till the full truth of Shyam emerges ... because once Dadi knows that Khushi is the other woman in question, the sh** is going to hit the ceiling. :(

Precap ... Mami catches Anjali ... yet again. When is Mami going to transform into Manorama Bond? Or is this going to be left to Khushi? Khushi had better have a bigger role to play in the whole drama, or it will get a bit tedious ... I was already missing her tonight, and imagining a scene for Monday where she realises Arnav's mood, and soothes him out of it :">

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Thoughts ... will do episode update later :)

ArHi ... did not leave a very good taste in my mouth today. Yesterday Arnav teasing Khushi in the privacy of their room about SR was fine ... carrying it into the family arena was not. Like a lot of us felt, he or Payal should have been the one to notice Khushi's dress, and point it out in privacy, not tease her in front of the entire family.
Khushi's worry should be more about SR coming before pheras, not about SR per se ... please get that across!!!

Anjali is now lying bare-faced to Arnav and Mami ... this is going to shatter Arnav. Hopefully it will also change his 'raag' once and for all about Di being the most important person in his life, and realise that sibling relationships, as close as they are, are not the most important ... and help him open up even more to Khushi ... because she is the one person for whom he is the most important ... the rest of the family is all about Di alaap :(

Liked the way Nani knows Khushi well enough to know that her uncharacteristic behaviour means she is worried about something ... Nani is sweet :) And felt like giving Arnav a tight slap for being such a tease ... he is wicked! :)) (Clarification - not the 'I hate Arnav' type of slap, just a 'you're being a very naughty boy, and I really hope you get it back soon' type of slap ;) )
Was good to see Khushi thinking along the same lines :)

Nani so worried about Anjali and keeping her wrapped in cotton wool - more understandable ... she has lost one daughter to infidelity, and she is worried that Anjali is like her mother and might go the same way. So not just a simple case of dealing with a two-timing husband here, but actual fear of Anjali also going the suicide way, and Nani losing her last living link with her daughter.
Arnav does not count so much ... a) he is far stronger, b) he as a son, doesn't remind her of her daughter as much as Anjali does, c) he is equally scared of losing his sister to suicide as he once lost his mother, and for the same reason, so he is a fellow sympathiser and her ally and support, not a fellow victim. As Nani is scared of losing the last link with her daughter, Arnav is scared of losing the last link with his mother, and the last living member of his family.

Couldn't help feeling glad for Arnav that he has at least one person in his life who puts him above Anjali ... now only if he could return the favor. :)

I couldn't help but remember the hotel manager in the Mumbai blasts, who lost his wife and two sons to fire even as he just watched and couldn't do anything to help them. Real life is never more fantastic than real ... and one of the strengths of  IPKKND is that it has shown very real emotions and situations, that are very relateable ... on a slightly exaggerated scale for drama, but real nonetheless.

Dadi comes across as one of those old-fashioned women who worships sons, believes all girls are worthless, meant only to be good wives and mothers, and only useful for carrying the family line forward. Her daughter-in-law's tears and suicide are dismissed as 'weakness' and inability to bear the responsibility of home and family ... Dadi, then pray do tell, what do you call your hiding away in an ashram for fourteen years and passing the responsibility of two orphaned grandchildren to your best friend and samdhan?

And does Dadi also feel that Anjali being handicapped, should consider herself lucky that she got a husband at all, enough to overlook all his faults, because a child needs its father more than its mother? Apparently, Arnav's disclosure that Shyam hurt Anjali, is not enough for Dadi as a reason for Shyam to be kicked out of the house. Also, I did feel that Dadi was more moved and happy to see Arnav than Anjali in their first intro scenes ... another pointer that for Dadi, sons, and sons-in-law are more important that daughters? Daughters-in-law of course are on the lowest rung of the heirarchy!

How come a traditional person like Dadi expects damaadji to be living in his sasuraal?

On reflection, feel it was good that Arnav didn't mention Khushi at all yet ... he knows Dadi is already prejudiced against Khushi, and with her views, she would probably be quick to blame Khushi for being the 'other woman', and happy to absolve Shyam's infidelity as the natural reaction of a man with a handicapped wife to have a roving eye ... 

Interesting that for Nani, Dadi reverts from Sumi to Subhadra ...
Arnav responsible for throwing his father out? Didn't make sense to me ... he was fourteen years old at the time, wasn't he?

And Barun needs to ENUNCIATE ... again!!! Especially when he speaks English. That fake American accent is annoying!!!

Episode update: 
 Dining table scene ... didn't care for it much on first watch, opinion didn't change on second watch. Water pouring was still okay, the wardrobe malfunction was not in good taste. Interesting that Dadi kept quiet and didn't say a word ... has she got the message that Khushi is not to be fingered? Not in Arnav's presence ... if she knows what's good for her.

Anjali sneaks out of the house on the pretext of going to the temple .. not good, Anjali, DM will not be happy, using her as an excuse to lie? Arnav and Mami both offer to accompany her ... refuses both of them. And looks thoroughly guilty doing so.

Genda phool ... was cute, but wish it was clearer whether Khushi was more worried about the missing pheras or the SR per se. So worried that she starts making jalebis ... aww, haven't seen that in a while :"> And it was sweet that Payal and Nani are the ones to see her, and realise she's upset - both of them know very well she makes jalebis only when she's upset. Especially Nani ... who's really worried if Khushi is all right ... Nani is sweet!
And Arnav is wicked! :)) Butter won't melt in his mouth expression, as he plays the concerned worried loving husband to the T ... 'yes, darling, what's wrong ... do tell me ...' Arnav bitwa, you need a spanking.
From her expression, Khushi apparently thinks the same. :"> Good, good, I want her annoyed and ready to fight ... not scared stiff.

NK Mami promote lamp and wick, does that show really need promotion?! :(
Mami misses Anjali, who is busy doing 'aap bhi naa ...' with mysterious faceless stranger at a poolside restaurant ... while driver waits at temple ... tut tut, Anjali bitiya, even worse ... lies are getting more and more sneaky ... can smell a snakey smell here.

Dadi is missing Damaadji ... for a conservative lady, does she expect Damaadji to be living as ghar jamai? And she demands answers from Nani ... where is Damaadji?! And why has he not come yet to pay his respects to me?
Are you queen of England that damaadji has to come and pay his respects to you? X(
Mami goes to tell Arnav about missing Anjali ... just as Anjali makes a quick call to throw her off the scent ... so Mami manages to tell Arnav that Anjali was lost and found ...
And Dadi Drama starts ... so Arnav tells Dadi flatly and bluntly ... the man's not coming any time soon ... I threw him out of this house.

Dadi is angry ... Nani and Mami are worried ... Nani tries to postpone the confrontation, Arnav is not happy with Nani for that one ... and Dadi doesn't even hear her. She wants answers ... 'Why? What happened that you took such a step?'
'Because he hurt Di. And I will not tolerate that. He has hurt Di, deceived Di. I don't want his name to be taken in this house. Especially not in front of Di.'
End of story for Arnav ... he walks off. Bol diya toh bol diya. Bas.

The rest of the R house is ready to accept Arnav's diktat ... maybe through experience of the man over the last fourteen years, the man he has become, the man who always sides with the truth (except on one notable exception) and is swift to punish what he perceives as wrong. And also from their experience, he is rarely wrong in his judgements, so they don't question him.

Not so Dadi. She has no experience of the man, only of the boy of fourteen. And the decision he took at that time still rankles ... her son was ostracized by the rest of his family, by his own children ... and he took his life ... She will not allow history to repeat itself. Not again. Arnav has to give her his reasons.
Did he withhold his reasons the last time around too? 

Dadi-Arnav ...
 Dadi follows Arnav to his room ... where Arnav stands surrounded again by the shadows closing in ... the shadows of his past, which he had just managed to shake off after so many years ... just started to look forward to the sunshine ... enjoy the view of the life that lay ahead, a life filled with love, laughter, teasing, with happiness ... with his Khushi ... a light-hearted morning spent teasing the love of his life, his wife ... looking forward to the days ahead ...
But no ... the shadows follow him wherever he goes ...

Dadi fires first salvo ... you're not the same Arnav who used to follow me around, worship me .. you've grown up, you make the decisions for your family now ...
And she sounds like she doesn't think that's a good thing at all.
Err, Dadi, are you stuck in a time warp here? Breaking news ... yes, he has grown up, yes, he does take all the decisions for his family ... because he has to. He was left with no choice but to do so.You were not there, remember? And his chacha wasn't exactly father figure either ...

And so he tells her ... 'Time changes everything, time is the biggest teacher. And I have learned to look after my family's happiness very well.'
Dadi is not impressed.
'By throwing out your BIL, are you looking after your family's happiness? He is the father of your sister's child ... a child who will need its father. Or do you want that the child also grow without a father ... the same way that you did?'

And the dam bursts ... a wound which was just opened up the night before, and started to heal with a loving touch ... now scraped raw again with harsh, hurting words ...

'I grew up without a father because my father committed suicide! And before going, he took my mother from me too, he forced her to commit suicide as well. And I will not allow Shyam to do the same to my Di.'
So the biggest fear was of Di going the same way as his mother ... taking the easy way out ... taking her own life because she couldn't bear to be without her husband? Or couldn't live with his infidelity?

And Dadi says something unforgiveable ...'your mother committed suicide because she was weak. She never learned to manage the responsibilities of home and family, of her children ...'

Is this the truth? Or is this the blinkered view of a tradition-bound rigid thinking mother-in-law? Ever-ready to blame the outsider DIL, but never ready to raise the finger of blame on the treasured son of the house?
Never point fingers at the mother of a loving son ... he will defend his mother against the entire world, including his own father ... grandmother is a distant second. 

And Arnav is furious ... so furious that he almost forgets his sanskar and raises his voice to his Dadi. Then recollects himself and speaks in lower tones ... 'I will not hear a word against my mother ... even from you ...'


And Dadi is equally furious ... you are taking the wrong side again ... siding the wrong person, protecting the guilty, and blaming the innocent ... like you did fourteen years ago ...   

How is Dadi so sure that he is taking the wrong side here? She doesn't know the full story, doesn't know anything about Shyam at all, hasn't even met the man. Or has she? Is she accusing Anjali of being weak and unable to keep her man glued to her side, the way she accused Anjali's mother of being weak and unable to hold her family together? And Damaadji to be blameless, just because he is a man ... the same way her son was blameless ...
Or is she repeating Anjali's and/or Shyam's side of the story? And accusing Arnav of shielding the other woman, and accusing the blameless husband?
Definitely more here than meets the eye.

And Arnav loses it again ... again the old wounds scraped raw and bleeding ... when they had just started to heal ...
'Why do you keep reminding us of that night? The night our entire family was destroyed and the pieces scattered?'
Dadi is relentless ... she will not stop ... no ... she lives in the past ...
Arnav frustrated, angry, helpless ... 'how much Di and I have tried to forget that night ... rebuild our lives ... why do you keep reminding us? Don't you want us to move ahead?'
Just as he was ready to move ahead, believe in love and happiness again, Dadi revisits the ghosts of the past ... 

Dadi doesn't want to move ahead ... not if it means repeating the mistakes of the past ... they need to revisit the past to build the future ... and by throwing Shyam out, the future is what will be affected ... 'don't repeat the same mistake you made the last time round ...'
Does she think this decision is a mistake because she still thinks the last decision was a mistake as well? Or is there something more to her certainty?


But Arnav is unrelenting too ... 'I made the right decision then ... and I'm making the right decision now ... Then it was Dad's fault ... and now it was Shyam's ...'
And his final decision ... 'Shyam will never again enter this house ...' and that is final.

Nani, ever the peacemaker, enters worriedly ... Anjali is back ... stop this war right now ...
And she pleads with her old friend ... although distances are creeping in, she drops the affectionate pet name, and reverts to the full name ... 'Subhadra, stop now for Anjali's sake ...'
Arnav's expression changes ... yes, he's ready to drop it right now ... Di should not be affected ...
Dadi is unmoved ... let things come out in front of Anjali ... this matter has to be sorted out ...
SN - At the moment, am more in agreement with Dadi ... yes, do please stop mollycoddling Di so much ... she needs to know the whole truth about her KP ... so let the whole truth come out ...

Nani tries to placate Dadi ... 'you don't know what all Anjali bitiya went through ... we've just managed to get her back to normal ....
SN - if you call sneaking around behind everyone's back to meet mysterious strangers normal ...

'today she's happy because there is a pooja in the house ...'
SN - I think she's happy because she had a nice romantic rendezvous ... finally acting more like a normal person, I did say too much pooja-paath was unhealthy at her age ...but whatever rocks your boat, Nani ... I respect you too much to say more ;)

'and Subhadra ... you're returned after so many years .. stop making trouble ... let her stay happy for a while ...'
Was Dadi the type of old-fashioned woman who moaned loudly about how a handicapped girl would ever find a good husband, thus deepening Anjali's complexes further? Making everyone else more protective about Anjali? Was she really as loving to Anjali as she was to Arnav? Or did she insist on treating Anjali as a normal person, and not mollycoddling her so much as her mother and brother apparently did? Thus making them protect her even more?
Or is this about Shyam vs Khushi?

Nani addresses Arnav in a different tone completely ... elder scolding a much-loved younger one making a mistake ... 'for your Di's sake, stop this argument ...' She knows he will obey, even if Dadi doesn't.
And he turns away from Dadi and from the argument ... yes, he will listen to Nani ... because he respects her a lot, and it's for Di's sake ...
Both old ladies leave ... Dadi in a huff, Nani with a look of 'you need to control your temper ... this will not work for long ...'

Leaving Arnav alone ... again ... surrounded by the demons of his past ... a day which began so well, ended in darkness again ...

Poor Arnav!

200 comments:

  1. WT WT WT......DANDAAAAAAAAAAA

    Seriously CT:

    You really think having Anjali in the precap is going to help you with the ratings, you guys better release a dhasoooooo promo soon.

    Faltu obesrvation: BARUN spit a lot while saying the dialogues.

    IF YOU EVEN DARE OF GOING THE COMEDY ROUTE FOR KHUSHI, Dandaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

    ENOUGH!! She is 23 years old. She is in love with her husband, show her nervous, flustered and not so scared that she comes under spotlight in front of everyone.

    Akash Bitwa did not get any dialouges today:(

    Apni khud ki TRP bakwas hai chalahy hain DABH ko promote karnay.

    I want a return favor from DABH people, warnaaaaaaaaa, grrrrrrrrr..

    So more truths tumble out.

    Ha, I was right, Anjali gets it from her mom. Unless suicide was actually murder which mother would commit suicide on her daughter's marriage just cos her hubby strayed.

    Dad might have been MUed? NOOOOOOOOO. I want him to be guilty.

    I have this whole funda on ASR's dad, if I get time will post it over the weekend.

    Why is Khushi not in a saree, will she be in the one he gifted on her birthday to cheer him up and give the green signal?

    Arhi were cute today.

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    1. ArHi were cute, but I DITTO you on Khushi, Shweths ... we want her in serious yet mischievous mood, not back to child-woman - that too, more child than woman. She's grown way beyond that now!

      Don't take the story at face value ... not yet. Though it seems clear that both parents are well and truly dead.

      I think the whole pheras talk was put in to tell phans that SR has not happened, and it's not happening till the pheras are well and truly done ... though how long that will take, Godjee only knows! And cv's, of course :p

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    2. Shwethu, you got your wish ... promo out with the truth of Arnav-Khushi marriage ... so the re-marriage is well and truly on!

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  2. Sr. Mallik is dead - another worry down from past bringing hell lot more on BFTP front.

    Arnav's desicion lead to the 'hadsa' that resulted in dead of his mom and all that followed. He was trying to protect someone. Who??? No wonder he is troubled and damaged more than just losing his parents, thrown out by chachaji or being abandoned by dadiji.

    Jaya I ROFLed tthroughout the Jalebi scene :D

    Rekha thankyou so much .... Thats some work you have done.... Now I know how I have to post when I do. I have few of them ....yaaayyyy ....but can't access them at the moment. No PC. Hopefully tomorrow or day after tomorrow. Hugs!!

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    1. Sama his mom committed suicide. He knows there was another woman involved. His dad too committed suicide. Maybe Anjali still does not about the other woman? Is that what you mean by saying he is protecting someone?

      And Dadi before confronting your grandson, how about confronting your own son, the one who threw out your grandkids.

      Why his home does not offer such luxurious comforts as your grandson's or you cant boss around Chachiji like you can do the other bahus here.

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    2. Sama sweetie....and others , u are all most welcome....still a long way to go...i started with my fav composer but the musical world is an ocean..
      There is a song in the movie Baaghi which has the lyrics for which MM has composed music....He died in 1975 but his music lives on forever in hearts of many admirers.

      "hamaare baad ab mehefil mein afsaane bayaan honge
      bahaaren humko dhoondegi na jaane hum kahaan honge"

      u all keep the songs in the playlist that u like...
      i am not sure if the way i have given YT links is the right way to go about it...if anyone here has a better idea, do let me know....

      for now ARHI is keeping my bheja fried....its almost as if i have to know whats is their past...that word hadsa gives me the creeps...

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    3. What I don't understand is how Arnav's decison could have made such a huge impact ... wasn't he just 14 at the time? Did he hide something, some facts, in trying to protect someone? Who was he trying to protect - his mother?

      Rekha, I spent half the evening listening to your songs, and the others they threw up on YT ... thank you! *hugs*

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    4. Dia, me too was thinking the same...how can a 14 year old's decision bring about a hadsaa on a family.....

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    5. I am guessing when his mom committed suicide he had a confrontation with his dad accusing of him being responsible for her death. The dad I am guessing was a good guy who erred and the guilt of it forced him to commit suicide.

      The other option is ofcourse that he was framed, but I actually want Arnav's Dad to have erred.

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  3. Dam what an heavy last 10mins..

    hmm so bitwa took some decision 14 years back after his ma's suicide , which made his father to do same.. think if I go by what he said I right then and right now.. then he didn't side his father which is the reason dadi and his rift..

    So if we say that his father had an affair and his mother committed suicide after knowning about it, he took the side of that women and broke all relation with his father?? hence the name change also??

    will give little rest to my little dimaag now it can take only so much

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    1. Aaru I think, He blamed his dad for her suicide and hence she says you took the wrong decision and blamed your dad.

      Me thinkey she would claim her bitwa was innocent and it was all the other woman's fault*Pukes*

      The name change happened cos he was disgusted by what his dad did, had an affair, drove his mom to suicide and also committed suicide himself AND then his chacha threw them out.

      Why would he care for such a family surname.

      He was born as Arnav Mallik, he chose to be a Raizada - Honesty, Principles et all.

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  4. YO BLOGGER!! Nani was damn good, why did you have to swallow it.

    I will do it again, grrrrrr..

    Performer of the day - Nani aka jayashree T.

    The amused indulgent look with Khushi.

    More as a friend with Dadi

    Finally telling them both to Shut it as Anjali is home. Loved her change of voice modulation and the change of Body language while talking to both adopting different approach to both based on her relationship with them. TOO DAMN GOOD!!

    Oh I loved that this is a Raizada house and she continues to occupy the center stage at the dining table, would have thrown something if Dadi had been seated there.

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  5. woh bhooli dastaan lo phir yaad aa gayi...nazar ke saamne ghata si cha gayi

    What faisla are entrusted to 13-14 year olds...i hope not the decision to let someone keep or not keep babies...i hope the CVs know what there are talking about......

    DABH promotion? what for? is it sinking? Spore stint not over yet? kabse gaye woh log...yahan our guys don't even go to Nainital...

    sorry but did not care much for the morning breakfast scene at table..maybe i will find it better on re-watch or comments here..

    Arnav going to be heartbroken that Di is not getting better becos of family efforts but due to her own efforts...Shyam has a better job after moving out of RM, that he is meeting her at restaurants...i thot he will meet her behind some trees or some thappar tea stall...??kuch toh hua hain....

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    1. woh bhooli dastaan lo phir yaad aa gayi...nazar ke saamne ghata si cha gayi

      It is your fault Rekha, you made me do this.

      woh bhooli dastaan lo phir yaad aa gayi

      {{{{{{My memory was week, daily dose of Memory plus+ Badaam did the trick.}}}}}}}}}

      nazar ke saamne ghata si cha gayi

      {{{{{{{{{Now I realize My eyesights have gone week, Need to go for an eye check up and stock up on vitamin A tablets.}}}}}}}}}}}}

      *DUCKSSSSSSSSSS*

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    2. Shwethu...*rofl*

      Palak kha..

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    3. Rekha: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOO @ Palak

      Geetu: Hugs bey.

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    4. Shwetha *hugs back*

      gals, what is Palak ?

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    5. baby good old spinach for better eyes...aur kuch hint nahin usme...LOL

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    6. Rofl....Shwetha, you must be so much of fun to be around!

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    7. OMG Rekha, m loosing my mind, ab toh simple cheez me bhi hints aur symbolism dikhta hai

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    8. ROFL Geetu, Shweths is making you lose your mind! :)))

      Shweths, sharam kar ... such beautiful songs and they make you think of palak! Tera kuch nahin ho sakta :)))

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    9. Dia I was actually going to put cataract instead of weak eyesight for the saamnay ghata thing, phir socha Let me not push my luck here and Get kicked out of here.

      And I Meant to type weak not week*face palm*

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  6. Jaya hope the marriage went well.

    Where is Sandy?

    The episode was not that droolworthy ki we have not even reached 10 comments. Why this khamoshi here?

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    1. was just going to send her a PM on IF...dunno if she is busy with work,...if i hear anything will let u know...

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    2. I thought it was sanctioned leave, sent her one too. let us see.

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    3. did not see any post of sandy mentioning that she will be away...is it?

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    4. dunno i assumed when she went MIA, she informed someone. Sandyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

      Aaja vey Sandy tera Commentwa hum dekh dina

      Uskay baad nahin aata gaana:)

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  7. What an anti-climax it will be, if Khushi gathers courage to be all dolled up and Arnav is all upset becos of this new nautanki......

    anyways..we never had any hope/expectation of the C happening...but bhat happened to suitcase?

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    1. Woh toh hoga na, didn't you read perfume's spoiler. something about although both will be excited about their relationship but the shadow of darkness/sadness will loom over them

      Maybe he will be upset, she will wear the saree to cheer him up, they might just do the phera...if nothing else can he progress to atleast holding her waist while sleeping rather than the hand.

      Damn, Di, DaDi, grrrrrrrrrrrr..

      And SP tweeted will their SR happen*head desk*

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    2. Spoiler from resident jalebi?? no ways...pagal hain hum...aur kitna pagal ho jaon?

      My hubby will have me admitted to a facility soon...if i do that...

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    3. Rekha, I Ditto you ... no jalebi spoilers for me ... they make my little brain hurt :)))

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  8. Are Suspective and SG thread different now. I thought SG came when Sush was absent?

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    1. yeah...but they continued, n now Sushpective comes sometimes, and SG is regular.....

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  9. What I understood from the episode is that AA's mom committed suicide after she found out about her husband's (actual or alleged) affair. His Di's marriage broke because of the tragedy. Arnav who was very attached to his mom and close to his Di held his father for the catastrophe and would have lashed out on the man in a bitter manner, denouncing and cutting all ties with him. The old man committed suicide, unable to bear the humiliation of being shunned by his son and losing his wife. A's dadi being as prejudiced as she is found it easy to blame her daughter-in-law for being weak minded. She comes across as one of those old fashioned women who believe that there is nothing unusual for men to stray and if they do it is because of the other woman. The wife has to be all suffering and correct the erring husband instead of seeking the easy way out by killing herself. It is another matter that her own son also committed suicide and hence seemed to be of an equally weak mind.



    This woman did not stand up for her grandchildren when they were thrown out by the wicked chacha. She herself escaped into an ashram cutting all ties with the rest of the world. Now she wants to exert her authority of their lives? Seriously? Why do they even tolerate this depraved woman in that house?

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    1. Opti, my thoughts exactly on Dadi ... she is one of those old fashioned women who believe the son can do no wrong, it has to be the fault of the other woman, and men are entitled to stray, its the wife's duty to either keep them tied at home, or else turn a blind eye.
      And this attitude is going to work in Khushi's case too ... she is already prejudiced against her, when it comes out that Khushi was the other woman, she will blame her completely ... and demand that Shyam be brought back for the sake of Anjali's baby.

      I would not be surprised if she was instrumental in her daughter-in-law's death too, by bullying her all the time, stopping her from speaking up against the affair, and behaving as though her son could do no wrong, it was her bahu's fault for not being good enough to keep him faithful, and the other woman's fault for trapping him. Thus absolving her own son of blame ...
      No wonder Arnav was forced to take sides ... and probably he saw his dad with the other woman, hence he knew it was his dad's fault.

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    2. Dia this crossed my mind too .... Arnav witnessing his dad with another woman. Scary thought for a 13-14 year old.

      This also explain his roadside breakdown as to why he related shyaam-khushi hug as to losing his mother(Di) all over again.

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    3. Opti Dia, Sama - my thoughts exactly - how can you even stand the woman in your house - it actually speaks a lot about Nani and her upbringing - if i were in Nani's place i would not have even seen her face let alone let her shout at me!!

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    4. Opti: Hugs, my thoughts on Dadi too. Why didn't she stop her own son aka chachaji when he threw the kids out of the house? And now she comes and wants to reclaim the place in their life.

      GENE FACTOR:

      Okay this is purely cos I am totally mad at DB. When dadi said garbhavati behen and all I could think of was the
      flat tummy and new saree when khushi gets none.

      I am guessing Anjali inherits the weakness from her mom.
      Luckily Arnav inherited resilience from his Nani.

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  10. was an Okayish episode for me, loved Arnav's smirk at the dining table, and him having fun at her flustered state.....

    Arnav told Dadi the truth, true to his character, facing everything head-on....he has made it clear that Shyam isn't allowed in RM, why dint he mention that Shyam tried to kill him, that truth wud put DD off Snakewe, but ofcourse, in IPK Land truth cant come out in one go.....attempt 2 is the lifeline for everything.....

    Nani trying to hide the truth even now when Anjali isn't around....Just like Anjali

    more of Anjali-stranger meetings.....is it possible that instead of Shyam, Anjali is meeting some old friend of hers, some guy who had a crush on her, backed off due to her marriage....now suddenly back....and anjali doesnt want to disclose as she thinks its wrong to meet some other guy like this.....

    they had a great chance of introducing an possible love-angle for Anjali during this time...build the character up, till the final Shyam fall-out and then show the love track for Anjali, why didnt they use this opportunity ?

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    1. geetu for the whole truth about shyaml, he would have to bring khushi into the picture. Considering how Dadi feels about Khushi, he wisely didn't elaborate IMHO.

      THATTTTTTTTTTT WOULD BE SOCH NAYI.

      Hubby gaya bhaad may, INVISIBLE PREGNANT LADY ALREADY STARTED DATING.

      Wonder how will the date react when she calls him up and tells him, I am sorry I Cant make it to our date, I just delivered TWINS.

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    2. "I am sorry I Cant make it to our date, I just delivered TWINS."

      ROFL ROFL ROFL ... TWINS??? From that washboard tummy??!! Must be snakewa babies!!!

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    3. Shwetha, Dia : rofl, now that i think of it, it looks absurd...while typing i was thinking, not a romantic angle from anjali, just a friend which she is scared to disclosed bt...

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  11. I know logic boatwa mein hain but still why can't they show khushi worried of the fact that her HH is not trying to understand her POV which is the right way to go rather than scared of SR. Who at 23 would be?? Maybe a 17 marrying a 35 thats understandable.

    Rekha me too din't like the breakfast scene....except Arnavs teasing which could have been easily done during the jalebi scene. Or I would have like it better if ASR before anyone could see his BBs dress silently ask payal to take khushi away and later he comes around and tease her as he did, hmmm chalo chado.

    BG mature khushi shiddat. Dare they go OTT way with her. ArHi has to the base of every track. By next week if they don't show khushi more involved with ASRs pain phir to God save them from TRP Maiyyas wrath. Now they have also ppked general viewer and said out loud that they are not properly married. Pata nahi kya kar rahe hain. I hope apne leads ka maan rakle. This is why I hate whenever they play comedy BG score for ArHi.

    Din't dadi say he was trying to protect the wrong one .... Or was it me hearing things???

    Having appreciated SC I would like variation in her expression. I know had been no scope for it yet but during puja or maybe with Anjali.

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    1. ...and Sama. I could not understand how can a woman wear a tight fitting kurta ulta....just a genuine thought. Hehehe!
      BTW even I did not like her dress malfunction come into the eyes of everyone...it was the same ASR who came into action when she forgot to tie her dori and NK noticed her bare back...and here he was not at all embarrassed and joined everyone in teasing her.

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    2. Yep, me too ... although I laughed, I didn't like the whole breakfast scene much ... her confusion should be kept between them ... didn't really like Arnav teasing her in front of everyone, it's a private joke and it should stay that way.
      I was glad that by the end of the kitchen scene, she seemed to be getting mad. But then she didn't come back for the rest of the episode ... :(

      Her being so scared of SR is stretching things a bit too much ... she's not that innocent! No one these days is! Her worry should be more about the pheras coming first ...

      CV's, have you still not learned your lesson? OTT Khushi is NOT good for TRP's ... especially not now when Arnav needs a supportive wife. Look at lamp and wick ... there the wife supporting her hubby cook chicken! Here the matters are far more serious!

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    3. ek taraf chicken aur non-english background

      doosre taraf betrayal and suicide

      ek taraf a girl not knowing anything of grihasti

      doosre taraf a girl who have dreamed whole her life of grihasti

      hamare cvs bhi nah!!!!

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    4. Sandy, where are you? mark your attendance, we are getting worried here!

      tight kurta = zipper in the back
      who will mistake the front and back?

      or is that an attempt to somehow get the viewers to comment that khushi can wear a kurta ulta, she aint grown yet? (KWIM you MIG ppl?)

      or, to step into straight gutterland, why would a girl wear a zipper in the front?

      i seriously hate that bit of wardrobe malfunction, even before i see the episode.

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    5. WITH you guys on the ulta kurta, sooooo not funny.

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  12. Ok I officially hate the new munch add " shor nahi machaya toh maza nahi aya"

    with 6 kids at home range 7-12, not a pleasant thing to hear them argue with it. See even TV approves. WHAT THE!!!!!!!

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    1. I am partially going deaf with 2 kids and one grown up kid who insist on keeping PC, TV on full volume and not to mention I Have to scream on top of that to get their attention:(

      No wonder I do all my bak bak here, it is easier to get heard cum read here:)

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  13. I have a stupid theory....and i know it won't turn out like this.

    from the first day, i thot Garima has some role to play in this...

    Garima is the woman who has taken care of Khushi after her parents death and if website reports are correct, she is not Payal's real mother...
    My theory:

    ASR's dad is responsible for Khushi's parents death in an accident
    Garima takes care of Khushi after that incident and ASR's dad is misunderstood to have an affair with ASR's dad who was only helping due to his guilt
    Garima somehow lands up on Anji's marriage day...MU ensues....

    Now this was my theory until today but today that theory fails becos i can't understand what decision would be taken by a 14 year that could lead to a hadsa.....but i have get it off before even i forget what it is all leading to..
    Phew!!

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    1. Rekha Garima was the key woman not necessarily the other woman in the picture maybe related to that woman...but then they changed the actress and this one, she has improved a lot will not be able to carry such a complex role. So Garima theory thoda doubt may hai.

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  14. For me the two halves of the epi were total disconnect. I agree Dia if Khushi is not present for the entire episode, then the episode feeka for me! Poor direction CVs, yetersday you gave us such light epi, now all of sudden so much intensity. I like gradual upgrades not quantum jumps.
    I just dont get one thing- everyone thinks shyaam hurt di. However, noone except probably ASR realizes that Shyaam did wrong to not only his di but his wife as well. I think if the other woman was anyone except KKG, he will yield to dadi's unreasonable pleas. But now since his wife is involved, he made his stand very clear- He will not allow shyaam no matter what (applause from me!) Me thinks thats the reason he didnt say the whole truth to Dadi and stopped himself at Di.
    In my opinion no-one except ASR and Payal realize or accept how neech the damad is
    If Dadi and Anjali make the Damaad come back for the unborn child, ASR will stay at RM to protect his di and will make KKG leave to protect her from Shyaam.
    I dont think that both KKG and ASR will leave together.
    And past connection- hamara to sir he ghoom gaya hai gol gol

    -Sukhi

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    1. Sukhi, i agree with u, noone even for a moment think that shyam kidnapped arnav n tried to kill him.....

      if shyam comes back to RM then khushi shud force arnav to leave with her, as he isnt safe with that snake around...but we know this wont happen.......

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    2. Okay I think ASR is the guy who makes the decisions in the house and I am not sure they fully believed him. They just went alongwith his decision.

      Max, I think they believed that Shyam strayed, but was he involved in kidnapping, I think not so sure.

      Unfortunately we were never ever showed the aspect, maybe for a reason.

      If there is some sort of doubt, knowing Shyam he will play on those doubts and manipulate them.

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  15. anyone noticed a slight similarity between dadi and anjali today? the way dadi was saying 'tum ab wo arnav nahi rahe jo dadi-dadi karte the' n 'hamare godh me sote the' i felt a strong resemblance to the way anjali was lamenting 'hamare chotey ab hamare chotey nahi rahe'
    only difference was that dadi didnt go all teary-eyed like anjali.
    maybe because of the elderness, anjali reacted more in a look-at-me-i'm-so-helpless way whereas dadi was more strongly critical of him.

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    1. Misha there is another very strong similarity ....both are baseless. A dadi who came after 14years with her at fault and not even bothering to know what happened in all these years. She has a friend whom she can ask.

      A Di who had her bro 24/7 of a normal daytime that a bro can provide both before and after the fiasco.

      Agree the difference is dadi still comes out as a dadi but di came out more as a saut.

      Smart move by cvs and what a blend they have made out of both anjali and arnavs character mix to easily blend with the story.

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  16. I kinda liked today's episode... not much ArHi (and comedy khushi didn't work for me at all :S), but story moved wrt BFTP.. :))

    felt for arnav.. :(( echo your sentiments exactly dia.. and as someone had said once "It sucks to be Arnav!" really... imagine a 14 yr old guy with a weak, physically handicapped sister who realises that his dad has an extra marital affair and both of the parents then commit suicide one after the other, wicked chacha chucks him out of the house, dadi abducts from taking his responsibility... :( I can soooo imagine now why he is what he is.. and he is totally a class apart from all those typical akdu and arrogant heroes who are like that just for the heck of it.. ASR has some substance to him..

    I was actually glad khushi didn't appear after the kitchen scene.. she wouldn't have had much to do anyway, it was mostly just dadi-arnav conversations...and anjali trying to meet mysterious someone (ok, unless she enters into a labour, I am officially going to forget that she is preggers...just makes watching IPK a tad bit easier for me, without wanting to slap her when I see her every single time) .. plus I am afraid if they had shown her they would have put in two more of those horrendous breakfast type scenes .. watching them once was painful enough.. :S I can safely say that these are those selected few ArHi/Khushi scenes that I have detested! CVs...you had better make up for this in the coming week.. since you gave us two awesome epis in the row (wed and thurs), I forgive you for the 17-yr old teenager type portrayal of khushi who looked like she was afraid to go out on her first date.. :S

    soo, coming to the episode again, I have a kostin for dadi - you are blaming arnav of taking the 'wrong paksh' again.. I can understand why you felt he took the wrong paksh then, you knew the whole story (or atleast what you felt you knew)...here, you don't know one single thing about the circumstances under which shyam was thrown out of the house...how ca you blame arnav for taking wrong paksh?? tells tells.. you don't even know your damadji...have never met him even once! :S so was this deliberate on CVs part or was this a part of the story to be taken as it is?? :S someone please explain..

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    1. aawww madsie I have so missed "wanna slap her everytime I see her" feel. Hugs!!!

      I worte the same thing above Dadi is not even bothering to ask? She is the one at fault. She is suppose to feel guilty to see what her desicion has turned her pota into. Comparision was painful to listen.

      Yes lost parent happens but both parents commit suicide *shudder* and him having a desicion there!!

      Thrown out by chachaji happens, people murder for property but shunned by own dadi who loved them to bits for her own reason (she cannot justify that).

      ASR has all the reason for what he is. Felt like giving him a big bear wala hug. Cvs should make khushi do that maybe not hug but few words of comfort. If they don't that part they are losing whatever they have for sure. A wife not absorbing husband pain is something undigestable.

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    2. awww Sama, hugs back!!! :)) yeah, I still can't make myself like Anjali..don't know why! :) hehe..

      anyways, yes, like you said.. I wish they showed khushi absorbing his pain too... maybe just a simple scene where arnav is sleeping, holding her hand and she is just sitting next to him, caressing his face and his hair.. and then giving him a kiss once a while (come one CVs, khushi CAN do this much...she has come along a long way)..

      what I do NOT want is another "yell at khushi" scene by arnav, incase khushi tries to irritate him when he is in such a bad mood... show her sensitive to his feelings...all the SR/pheras thoughts gaye bhaad mein, let her tend to him first..

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    3. **I can understand why you felt he took the wrong paksh then, you knew the whole story (or atleast what you felt you knew)...here, you don't know one single thing about the circumstances under which shyam was thrown out of the house...how ca you blame arnav for taking wrong paksh?? tells tells.. you don't even know your damadji...have never met him even once! :S**
      exactly - well said Mads!

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    4. Also, I was puzzled when Dadi said 'you are supporting the wrong person' ... or shielding the wrong person like you did before ...

      Now what does she mean by wrong person here? Anjali, for being too weak to keep her husband tied to her pallu, and letting him stray? Or Khushi? But she doesn't know anything about Khushi yet at all, does she?

      BTW girls, new promo is out ... Dadi has found out that Arhi are not fully married and she accuses Khushi of staying in the same room as Arnav without marriage ... Arnav says what do you even know about Khushi?
      So is the truth of the forced marriage coming out? And remarriage is pakka now. :)))

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    5. I dont understand how arnav can tell the truth of forced marriage without telling the reason for it too! :-/ don't know what the CVs are upto.. Have to see what comes up next week..seems to be pretty interesting..

      too bad, I am going for a vacation for one whole week.. :-( from 14th to 20th.. I mean, going on vacation isnt bad, missing IPK is.. :-P ArHi..what have you done to me??

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    6. I dont understand how arnav can tell the truth of forced marriage without telling the reason for it too! :-/ don't know what the CVs are upto.. Have to see what comes up next week..seems to be pretty interesting..

      too bad, I am going for a vacation for one whole week.. :-( from 14th to 20th.. I mean, going on vacation isnt bad, missing IPK is.. :-P ArHi..what have you done to me??

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    7. Mads, i think he will tell the whole reason, making Dadi blame Khushi more....same as what she is doing now, blaming Arnav's mom n the other woman, rather then her son.....

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  17. I can soo understand why arnav fell for khushi... with two emotionally weak women in his life (mother and sister) both of whom he had to care about all his life - first his mother, in trying to protect her from his dad's misdeeds and then his di, in helping her get over the haadsa and broken marriage .. he could finally find someone who was his equal in every aspect.. who could bear the brunt of his anger and frustration and yet did not give up on her spirit and her will to smile.. :))

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    1. Mads, He respects Nani.... A mother who stayed strong despite losing her own daughter for her kids.

      He respects Mami...Coming from a so called lower strata of society, yet she unconditionally took Arnav and Anjali under her and treats Akash, Arnav & Anjali.

      He respects Payal...Her marriage got stoopped yet she didnt go pieces and stood firm...I wish there were more Arnav-Payal scenes discussing Khushi.

      He respects and Loves Khushi..Someone who fought him and his demons and cut through the walls and made him live again.

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  18. Don't know about you ladies but i loved the epi - two things are certain:
    1) that the CV know this part of the story well - like old Gul's IPK times - when the basic story was clear - somewhere in between they had lost the thread and the ott, make the epi on the fly, fill in songs and dances came in between - now they are back on track - AND like the old IPK - all characters have enough screen space (though i complete hated the 2 min worth space wasted in DABH!! - much better the dialogue of yesterday - NK bitwa tum to shut up hi ho jaoo warna NK to choro Kaheen kay nahi harogay :D)

    2) i cannot like Dadi - am not even talking about her equation with ODB - i cannot like her for having the audacity to question Nani's upbringing and raising her voice at her = ggrrr - how dare she!!!

    First the fun parts - light hearted stuff - sweet and fun to watch - ODB's smirks were really cute - best of all the kitchen scene - where he all concerned - "what is bugging you Khushi, you didn't even tell me" and both nani and Payal thinking - aww sweet husband and ODG all wifee looking daggers at him, arms on hips = really cute.
    Much better than the wink yesterday - that was so not ASR - and i may be a bit biased but winks are kind of cheap - would have found it better of he had said to her, when she was passing by on the stairs (after mami's cricket comment) - 'not cricket mami - teakwondo!!'

    Dining table - could not like that NK noticed the dress - he should not have been noticing it - had one of the ladies pointed it out it would have been better - Khair Chodo

    finally the drama - wow - no wonder ODB is the way he is - he is petrified his di could go the same way - that explains a lot - his possessiveness about his sister - his taking decisions for her etc etc

    Have a feeling ODB refused to see his dad after his mom died - that could have left dad remorseful and he ended taking his life a while later.
    And Dadi - son killing self - no comments = Bahu killing self - she was a weak woman!! - no wonder i don't like her (PS - i too had said she seemed like a weak woman but so does the dad - poor boy - no wonder he grew up so fast - no wonder he fell for ODG's spirit and can never see her lose!)

    Dadi taunts ODB on taking decisions about the family - about growing up - about not being her baby anymore- really woman - you don't care for 14 years what he went through and now you want a 'ji huzoor' wala pota!! (i dont like dadi - oh i already said that :D:D)

    Really liked ODB's expressions today - the way they completely changed as soon as nani said Anji is home

    hope they reveal more of the BFTP next week or this cat will die of curiosity! - Hope ODG helps ODB out of the sullens

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    1. Mona, agree with you on all ... including the breakfast scene, didn't like that ... oops, already said that :) ... I liked the kitchen jalebi scene and the genda phool scene, the wardrobe malfunction could have been pointed out in private ... :(

      Also agree, I didn't care for the wink yesterday either ... and your suggestion 'cricket nahin taekwondo' would have been far better :))

      When Dadi was talking about Arnav growin up and taking decision rather than running after her saying 'Dadi, Dadi' I felt like telling her ... 'woman, you come back after fourteen years ... do you think time stopped in the interim? Who took all the decisions during this time? SOMEONE had to ... you went conveniently missing into an ashram, which seems to have done not an iota of good to you ... and you expect the grown man of twenty eight to still run after you saying Dadi knows best?! Wake up, woman!!!'

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  19. today was janmashtami gendha phool 360 &ASR found a new way to talk to his BB, whisper into her ears with not so noble intension -high time.

    All 360 are filled with anything but anger or mistrust. Can we have a janmashtami marriage convo 360 followed by what Madsie wrote above. *ArHi dreamland*

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    1. Sama, they did have a marriage convo...bt the pheras n all...

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    2. Mona, They have a new creative head, so I think again their as* is on fire which means they will deliver.

      This new creative head seems to know what worked and is bringing that back.

      Full family joining in the celebration...Akash-Arnav, Payal-khushi, Arnav-Khushi, Arnav-Dadi-Nani, Khushi-Nani-Payal, NK-Mami....

      In one epi after a loooooooooooong time we had everyone interacting with each other unlike where it was mostly ARHI and the rest were gayab.

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    3. BG chocolate fudge for you. I so hope you are right & they succeed in getting the real khushi back together.

      we got a bit of pataka khushi an mature khushi with Arnav an lively on with payal. Klutzy one is there always but I want the girl deeply rooted in religious and social norm.

      This whole humein achanak pata chala pehron ke bare mein was a total let down.

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  20. oh just thought of something - we are all expecting TF to come for the pooja - but could it be that not TF but the Gupta's come and Garima and Dadi recognize each other?

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    1. I have a strong feeling about this Mona....and the time they keep the two families apart should be a pointer to that..

      Garima has to have some connection if Khushi is linked to the past...thats my logic....

      how will khushi know anything about that period...it has to be Garima who has to be the person who will unravel it...unless Khushi resembles her mom, who is the other woman....

      my older theories used to be Khushi accidentally causing some trouble to the Raizadas....but i would hate for it to develop becos that complicates the story beyond comprehension....i used to think of some such thing and immediately berate myself for thinking it.....

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    2. Mona, Rekha,
      The haadsa must've happened during Anjali's wedding, right?
      So nani must know the other woman as well as dadi? I mean, nani would very much have been there for Anji's wedding too.If Garima was connected wouldn't nani know it?

      Khushi said she came to live with the Guptas when her parents died. That means Garima was already married then. (Agree that the timelines don't match and K's and ASR's parents don't seem to have died at the same time.)

      Can Garima be the other woman?

      I don't understand these two families. Agreed, Payash's was a love marriage, but didn't the two families exchange notes when they knew they hailed from the same town?
      I vaguely remember MM trying to put down one of the girl's relatives who turned out to own a cloth store in Lucknow or something.

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  21. Mona: I do hope so...story will progress or end on a cliffhanger or both?

    Btw, what is BFTP? I think I missed that one :(

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  22. Thanks Ladies.

    TF - Twitching Ferret = Shyamji

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  23. I don't like dadi either. I don't understand how this women who abandoned her family for all those years thinks she has rights. I really don't care that she is an elder. How dare she question the person who has supported her grandchildren and made them into the people they are. Unfortunately they are damaged but then who wouldn't be with so much sadness in the past. I was always told that respect is earned, I think that dadi should be told in no uncertain terms to either behave or go back to where she has been for the last 14years.
    Arnav so needs khushi in his life to chase away the dark past with her crazy, sunny character. Hope her comes to realise what a tonic she is for him and how without her he is just an empty shell.

    Lin

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    1. Lin, Dadi is shown as a tough and traditional person...i assume that when that bad incident happened, Dadi was involved in a such a way that she couldnt avoid taking some harsh decision, which made her guilty, thereby giving all responsibility to nani and repenting for the sin.....ofcourse all this is from her POV...as she is very stubborn......

      we know the whole truth about Shyam and Khushi, Dadi doesnt.......she knows something, but we dont know what.....she has come back after 14-15 years, that too widout informing anyone, must be some reason.....some anonymous tip...

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    2. Lin,Dadi does not care about Arnav's happiness. She just wants to control him. She was not invited and not informed about the wedding. Well, sow were the rest of the family, but once they realized which took a long time for Arnav and Khushi to figure out that they loved each other, no one raised the issue.

      I am guessing, she might overhear khushi blurting it out to either ASR, their room does not have privacy or these two tend to have conversations where anyone can drop in.

      Or she might ask them straightforward when the time for pooja comes, so how did you two get married, do you have any proof, yada yada..

      I am actually excited about the R family's reaction on this.

      Till they openly talked about the pheras on the show, I simply wanted a simple ceremony involving the two..just the two of them.

      Now I am kinda looking forward to the whole wedding, hoping it happens and I hope it is a simple family affair, let us see.

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  24. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m24QRe7wrIk&feature=youtu.be

    NEW PROMO OUT

    Dadi questions Khushi with Arnav standing by her, she did not complete the pheras. How can she with Arnav in the same house in the same room when the marriage is not complete.
    Nani, Anjali, Mami are shocked.

    Arnav asks Dadi, What do you even know about Khushi?

    Chalo dhasoo promo toh nikla...ab toh marriage pucca.

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  25. Just saw the new promo...how did DD find out?? and what gives her the right to accuse Khushi like that?? so the whole marriage truth will come out??

    Good if there is a remarriage track!!

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  26. *shiddat alert*

    Don't beat me up for this,lol.

    I want the guptas to be invited for the Janmashtami where both the families come to know the truth.

    I actually want Especially Arnav to get a scolding from Nani and WE know Guptas are going to flip when they realize Khushi's 6 months of marriage is more of a living in.

    CAN WE PLEASE HAVE THE WEDDING EVENING Showdown of Garima and Khushi,

    when she slaps KHUSHI.

    wait wait wait wait, Before you want to hit me with something,

    I want Garima to step forward, Arnav instantly realizes Khushi is going to get slapped probably and steps in between and conveys, Oh You don't not this time.

    I love the relationship between Arnav and Garima, But I want that slap thing to be take care of.

    I actually want him to take on both the families just for her........HE BETTER!!

    Also I am hoping Guptas put their foot down and tell him clearly, she is not spending one more night with you in your room and in your house unless you two get married with full rasams with both the families present and INSIST ON taking Khushi with them rightaway.

    I want to see the reluctance on Khushi's face when faced with the reality of leaving him and going. I want to watch the sheer horror on Arnav's face with the realization of what he is putting Khushi through and the prospect of sepration.

    I want him to INSIST, HE WILL DROP HER..Let them proceed ahead and they are too tongue tied to argue back.

    They get back to their room and she is packing all her stuff and he goes, why are you packing everything, you are only going for a few days. Just take a few clothes with you.

    Can he actually propose her this time.

    Can the next morning, he drags the entire family for Shagun aka marriage proposal, rushing them through..

    Can he sneak in daily to meet her?

    Can he finally woo her as she should be?

    please
    please
    please

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    1. Add my shiddat to it Swetha. Arnav has to right all the wrong he did to Khushi and what better way than to stand up for her character and defend her in front of both their families. that would be his true RTRW.

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    2. Shiddat Shwetha!
      I so much want to see this yearning for each other in their eyes... Arnav's helplessness that he cannot make her stay as they are not properly wedded... Khushi's reluctance to leave her laad governor and go back to GH.
      These two brilliant actors wud not leave any stone unturned to make us go numb once again!

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    3. SHIDDAT to that, Shwethu!!!

      Most of all, I want Arnav to realise what he has put her through by that rushed marriage, and how much it impacts Khushi as a girl ... and he escapes scot free as a man ...

      Nani had enough nayi soch to blame both him and La when he wanted a live-in arrangement ... Dadi with her tradition- bound thinking, will blame only Khushi, and this will hopefully make Arnav see red and spill the beans on his own role in the forced marriage. And hopefully he will get hell from Nani and Akash as well ... he didn't confide either of them, he put Akash's marriage on the block to save Di's ... yes, Akash would never have objected, but shouldn't he have been asked?

      Agreed that the entire household trusts Arnav implicitly, but they have reason to ... but trust is two way ... he should have trusted his family enough to take at least one of them into confidence, which he didn't do. If he had told Nani, she might have counseled him on Khushi's nature, tried to convince him that Khushi could never take pangas with a married man, and even asked Khushi the truth herself. So a lot of the problems were caused by Arnav taking that one step of marrying Khushi and doing absolutely nothing about punishing Shyam.

      Apparently in the past, he cut off from his dad ... then why did he not cut off from Shyam? Why did he give him a second chance? Khushi told her entire family the truth immediately, and they all decided to stay quiet in an attempt to save Anjali's marriage ... Arnav did not trust even a single member of his own family enough to tell them anything, he took a completely unilateral decision.
      If Arnav had not married her, Khushi would have stayed quietly in her home, Shyam was not permitted anywhere near, and the affair would have blown over. Or he would have tried to kill Anjali, of course :)
      So by keeping quiet, Khushi was doing the right thing for Di ... by marrying her, Arnav did the wrong thing for Anjali and Shyam ... brought Khushi right into the same house where Shyam could chase her all he liked ... Arnav actually did the right thing only for Khushi, because he gave her a measure of protection of being married ...

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    4. Dia, he told Anjali cos she is his immediate family and as a wife she needed to know.

      Why he didn't go to any other family, there was a wedding on.

      And he was angry and this whole thing involved Apart from Anjali, KHUSHI...About whom at that point in his life he was never rational about.

      Also RANDOM NOTE:

      Do you guys remember the Bandagement episode.

      She is at temple wanting to start her life afresh.
      He comes along cos she is hurt.
      He asks for her hand...No kidding...Khushi apna haath do.
      She refuses.
      He forcefully takes her hands and
      Puts the bandage on.
      Binding them together, engagement happens.
      Compare it with:

      She is at a wedding, hoping to start her life afresh with him.

      He comes to her cos he thinks she has hurt him.
      Asks for her hand...as in marriage.
      She refuses.
      Forcefully marries her binding them together.
      Marriage happens.

      Doesnt the above make you go WOAH!! It did when I watched the bandagement scene recently.

      Both the time unknown to him and her, DM ensured he ended up protecting her from Shyam.

      Remember how the engagement didnt exactly happen with Shyam and since she got married, Shyam was forced to stay away.

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    5. I agree with the last part completely ... the forced marriage only accomplished ONE thing ... it saved Khushi from Shyam.

      It was meant to save Anjali's marriage, it didn't.

      It was meant to keep Shyam away from Khushi, it did the reverse, it brought Khushi into more danger from Shyam, living in the same house.

      I also agree with the reason why Arnav went all irrational and rushed to tell Anjali instantly ... because it involved Khushi, and he has never been able to be rational about Khushi.

      Otherwise I still think it was idiotic of him to rush to tell Anjali, without bothering to ascertain all the facts, and what was the all-fired RUSH with a wedding going on ... did he think Shyam might persuade Khushi to run away with him as soon as Payal was safely married? And the whole house adores Anjali ... why not take them all into confidence? If he really felt that Khushi was capable of having an affair with a married man, why would he want Payal, her sister to enter the family at all?

      Nope, it was not a rational decision ... I feel now that it was a combination of emotions ... his own feeling of betrayal by the girl he loved, was there of course, added to which was the deja vu ... his father with another woman? Because of which his mom committed suicide ... so his determination that his sister would not go the same way ...

      HOWEVER, he obviously did not rush to marry the girl his dad loved, so what did he do to her? Throw her out? Ruin her? Or just punish his dad for the mistake? Then he did neither here ... instead he let Shyam off scot free, or almost, and instead punished the girl concerned, but not by throwing her out of his Di's life, but by marrying her. Or did he feel the six month marriage would be enough to ruin her?
      So obviously there are parallels in the story, but they may not be exact.

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  27. Shyam - Anjali:
    FACTS:
    1. Shyam cannot return to RM knowing fully well that ASR will not tolerate him.
    2. He can play Anji, but he cannot make her go mean. He can have these secret meetings with her, but what is he telling her that got her forgiving him, yet still being genuinely concerned for Khushiji. I believe Anji is not capable of duplicity to such a degree. Chori chupke meetings with Shyam justifiable since they are legally married, but she wouldn't 'act' nice with someone.(Thinking of how she was trying to stick up for K with the Conch- she could've kept quiet and let dadi go on for sometime, enjoy K- bashing and then slowly butted in and said her side)
    3. Shyam knows Anji is very straightforward and wouldn't involve in any plan that could hurt her brother. (Another matter that dimwit Anji automatically will end up hurting him unintentionally, and is she even thinking now?)

    Thoughts:
    1. Is Shyam winning her confidence, initially by bringing up 'yeh ladki toh pagal hain'- really, Rani Sahiba, I don't know why she is dreaming up all these things. But I think we should forgive her, it s a disease probably or may be she is doing it out of her innocence. You'll have to help me win back saale saab's confidence slowly and then your perfect world will be perfect again. We'll be together and Saale saab with Khushiji. Our happy family will be back- just the way you want it- and no one else can promise you this. I am willing to go through this humiliation for the sake of our little angel.
    2. Then one fine day, he sneaks in to RM (when ASR is not around?) and accuses Khushi and blah blah...

    Basically thought this up, because I can't imagine how Anjali can meet up with VLR behind everyone's backs and yet be genuinely nice to Khushi.

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  28. Rambling and Bak Bak ladies..

    I got missing persons alerts and realized you girls were worried.sorry dint mean to worry you.

    Not the best of times for me right now. Stuff happening. Hopefully it will all be sorted soon.

    Huggs!!

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    1. Hugggs Sandy,
      All of us missing you loads.
      Hope things turn out good on your end and that we'll see you back in action soon.

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    2. Sandy hugssssssssssss bey....Shiddat alert to whatever is bugging you gets sorted out soon and we get our sandy back, hasti phudakti one*hugs*

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    3. Hope things work out well for you Sandy and look forward to seeing you back at R&R soon.

      Su: really like your take on Shyamu trying to worm his way back into Anji's life/RM - very plausible and happening rite now....

      Just a thought ladies and interested in your take: knowing this PH penchant for 360 takes, what if Anji's story that is playing out rite now is a repeat of, say, her mother's story? There is bound to be a MU wrapped around AA's parents death (I really, really doubt that it was suicide on both counts)and IF Anji's story is a repeat, then maybe, just maybe, this is a way of uncovering the past? Aage kuch samajh mein nahin araha hai but Anji's story must have some kind of substance, shouldn't it?

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    4. Hey Sandy - you take care - all will be fine soon inshallah

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    5. Sandy, good to hear from you ... we were getting worried!!! Take care, hope things sort out very soon and we get you back here with your bak bak!

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    6. Sandy Hugs ... hope things sort out soon and we get badi badi posts :D

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    7. Sandy *hugs and lots of good wishes*...everything will be good soon :)

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  29. Dadi- Arnav:
    I felt what dadi meant was that Arnav had thrown the memories of his father out of his mind and refused to even accept his name. Does she know something about her son that no one else knows or suspects that there was some foul play there?

    1. Aap mein aapki babuji ki khubiyan nazar aa rahe hain: Dadi does not totally approve of her son. She dislikes that particular trait of stubbornness that Arnav seems to have inherited from his dad.

    2. “You are repeating the same mistake you did 14 years ago”: You don’t know the truth about what has happened, you’ve not even tried to understand your father.
    Similarly, I think you are doing the same to damaadji. You would not have given him a chance to explain and prove himself (how close you are to the truth, dadiji!) and your lack of patience and shortsightedness is going to cost Anjali and her baby.And I know you would have behaved quite high handedly, going by the way you seem to pine only after your mother, totally writing off your father. She is also to blame, for committing suicide neglecting her two children, taking the easy way out.

    I know my son, woh itne bhi bure nahi the. You don’t know your father as well as I know him, Arnav.

    And I cannot let you repeat the same mistake by misunderstanding and misjudging your jeejaji. I need to get to the bottom of this matter.

    Sorry, my dear pauta. I love you, but I don’t trust your judgement. I know your heart is in the right place when it comes to Anjali, unfortunately your dimag seems to be clouded. Here I can see shades of your father in you. I will not let YOU repeat HIS mistakes. NEVER!

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    1. Barsee- Is it the death anniversary or is it an auspicious day to pay respect to the dead?
      If it is death anni- then both the parents must have died on the same day.
      If it is just a day observed universally, did Khushi observe it on the same day for her parents?(Sorry, I did not watch that episode.)

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    2. Su, death anniversary, since both the parents are being done on the same day, they must have died within hours.

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    3. Barsee is done usually not on the exact death anniversary, but the month before, I think ... so the parents could have died a few days apart and the barsee for both be done together.

      Agree with Su about Shyamu worming his way back into Anji's confidence ... Like we discussed before, Anji will not go black, but only grey ... being susceptible to Shyam's silver tongue is grey enough ... going behind her brother's back to meet Shyam is even greyer ...

      'You did not try to understand your father, you're making the same mistake again' ...
      Dadi's viewpoint all right. Is this the viewpoint of a traditional lady, who sees the responsibility for a marriage and kids resting entirely with the wife, leaving the husband free to stray? And the resposibility for straying rests with the inadequacy of the wife, and the lures of the other woman ... but never with the man?
      In other words, Dadi's viewpoint all right, but is she right?
      Did not Arnav give Shyam enough of a hearing? Three days of it ... three days of silence (during which we waited for a dhamaka which finally turned into a damp squib?) ... and during which Shyam betrayed himself a number of times to people who could spot the discrepancies in his story and what they knew of the facts, yet managed to raise enough questions to keep doubts alive for people who did not KNOW any of the facts ... which includes Anjali, and now Dadi ...

      Again, when a person doesn't WANT to see the truth, they WILL NOT ... that is what Dadi is doing ... Did she do the same during the haadsa fourteen years ago? Refuse to believe in her son's guilt despite evidence to the contrary, which was as circumstantial as Shyam's is today? Believable for those who knew the truth, yet unbelievable for someone who always demanded proof?
      Would a man committing adultery not be careful to make sure there WAS no proof?

      Other side of the coin ... Did Arnav actually misunderstand the situation the way he misunderstood Shyam-Khushi hug, and was his decision to cut off his father a wrong one? And did that precipitate the entire chain of events leading to his parents' suicide one after the other?

      Since Arnav is the hero in this story, I doubt that will happen ... instead, Dadi might set of a chain of events leading to the real truth being uncovered ... maybe Arnav MU'ed his dad back then, maybe he MU'ed the other woman the way he MU'ed Khushi ... dad was at fault, but other woman was forced the same way Khushi was ...

      Both Arnav and Dadi might have seen incomplete versions of the story ... Dadi being so hidebound, still continues to stick to hers, Arnav, with his new softening, has realised there are two sides to every picture, and he might go ahead and uncover the real story ... MIGHT :)))

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  30. spoiler alert new song on Arhi

    Tumhi dekho na from kabhi alvida na kehna..

    Plz let it not be a dream sequence.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QCAoENRfPs

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  31. Shwets,

    Shiddat to your take oh handling the ,marriage issue, i so want either Grima to slap ASR as his mother would have done, or him to stand up for Khushi, and he would I hope against both and not just his.
    i so want him to tell that he was the reason for payal's first marriage breakup.

    Will he narrate what all he did to khushi after the wedding??

    Shwets, song is good but don't understand how it will fit with all the drama of dadi finding about their marriage, I think it will be a dream song...

    Twine,

    Hows you?? missing your decoding...

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  32. Shwets, I think if this song has to go then it will be almost SR, but K stops him and that's when Dadi knowns..

    this the only para I find fit at this moment

    Main Toh Anjaan Thi Yun Bhi Hoga Kabhi
    Pyar Barsega Yun Toot Ke
    Sach Yeh Ikraar Hai Sach Yahi Pyar Hai
    Baaki Bandhan Hai Sab Jhuth Ke
    Meri Saanson Mein Hai Ghul Rahi Pyar Ki
    Dheemi Dheemi Raagini
    Tumhi Dekho Na Yeh Kya Ho Gaya
    Tumhara Hoon Main Aur Tum Meri
    Main Hairaan Hoon Tumhen Kya Kahu
    Ke Din Mein Hui Kaisi Chaandani
    Jaagi Jaagi Si Hai Phir Bhi Khwaabon Mein Hai
    Khoyi Khoyi Zindagi

    Tumhara Hoon Main Aur Tum Meri
    Yeh Din Mein Hui Kaisi Chaandani

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    1. Why cant they go all the way, About time I say.

      He does not believe in rasams.
      She does.

      He has been following everything the rasam signifies unofficially.
      Will she realize that and let it go?

      He considers her as his wife.
      She considers him as her hubby.

      Miya biwi razi to kya karegi Dadi.

      And K will not stop him, he will stop himself knowing how much she values those rasam...assuming it is being picturized that way.

      Or else it can be a dream sequence..eveyrone busy with pooja preparations and these two in their world, who knows?>

      MONEY IS BEING PUMPED BACK IN THE SHOW.

      We have back to back songs..songs cost money.

      ABOUT TIME I SAY!!

      Just watched Arjun.

      They have painted ASR's SUV AND Drums and boxes from the kidnap funda..I also saw a chopper towards the end.

      You wouldn't belive the money they have spent on ARJUN SHOW.

      If only they had done it here, they would be lauging their way to TRP and profits, grrrrrrrrrr..

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    2. me too watched Arjun, yes they have invested a lot..

      and yessss even I just noticed the SUV, and I was man I know why ASR isn't having his SUV these days. and yes the chopper at the end just reminded me to first episode..

      Again exactly my thoughts.. if they could have spent little more here we would still be on top..

      Teri Meri Love story was okish for me..
      but Arjun did like the first episode, has a mark of 4lions written over it, espl the catch lines of the lead..
      sana at present is a doll there, the shaleen needs to get into the character more, but overall good for a start.

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    3. shwets,

      hmmmmmmmmmmm about the chopper --is it their lucky charm like of stuff ??? they used it in first epi of IPK and now Arjun its like ekta uses "K" to start the name of all her serial...LOL...

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  33. i have missed all the imp discussion i guess.... anyway, i just wanted to put this thought across. i'm not sue if this has been touched, if so kindly bear with me.

    dadi accuses arnav about repeating his mistakes... holding that thot and going back...

    arnav was 14, when his mom and dad committed suicide... would it be possible that arnav comes to know about his dad's (supposed) illicit relationship through chacha... he gets angry, and with chacha's help humiliates his father and throws him out of the house.... (much the same way as he reacted during the fist terrace scene... he saw, believed what he saw, and acted according to what he believed he saw)... this obviously shatters both anji and their mom... but bracing themselves, they move on... arrange anji's marriage...

    on anji's mariage, her dad wants to clarify and make his family see reason... he takes the help of his brother, who dupes him... and somehow creates a situation where AA's dad is shown to be close with some other woman.... AA's mom, already shattered by the dhokha couldn't actually handle the situation and commits suicide..... AA's dad, suicides out of humiliation and also sorrow of losing his dear wife... whom he loves a lot.... therein lies the reason for the suicide of both mom and dad.. .else, if AA's dad was really cheating on his wife, why would he commit suicide? may be dadi has some sort of a hunch about foul play... she probably thinks arnav was too rash... and his haste cost two lives and ruined many more... and may be she is right too...

    cut back to present... when shyam was thrown out, accused for cheating on his wife... anjali was almost swaying... we thot it was her fragile state of body and mind (for this context kindly repress all images of DB playing Anji)... would it be because she was revisiting the past?? was history repeating again here?? for we know anjali is someone who is holding onto the past... but only the good memories... never in all these years she has ever thot about her mother's death as a suicide... on the other hand, arnav is all about repressing the past... blocking it out completely...

    last time when arnav acted against their father, anjali supported him wholly... thats why she never mentions her dad... ever... she only remembers her mom... she believed her dad was wrong... she had complete faith in her chotey's decision... but this time around, she has enormous faith on her hubby... but she can't over rule arnav's decision because he can't go wrong... who is right?? and who is wrong??

    if she is meeting with shyam behind arnav's back, has she got enough reasons to go against arnav?? has shyam convinced her that what happened with her mother will not happen with her?? is that where her story is going?

    will the dadi show proof of her son's innocence.. will anav be proven wrong about his father? if this happens, anjali will be all the more convinced that arnav is entirely wrong about her shyam too... what will arnav do?? what will be khushi's role in all this?? being an SP show, the heroine will have to be given if not more at least equal importance as the hero... is that where her past will come to play???


    so many questions... will some one please answer them???

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    1. Krishna: just saw your post after having put mine up - agree with you on the broader framework - it's the details that are down to total guess work rite now.

      Thanks for the info on ASR's missing SUV :( the renault sedan just DOES not suit his personality :( :( since Arjun is a weekend show, why can't they give it back to him for weekdays???

      If they are lavishing funds on "Arjun", I can see why Lalit Mohan decided to move on.....same PH, so it really doesn't matter!

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    2. Krish: Take care will miss ya..

      I dont think he threw his dad out of the house. What might have happened is there might have been an emotional confrotation where Arnav wouldnt have minced words and held his dad responsible for his mom's death and Di's marriage.

      Did Dad commit suicide or was he poisoned and it was made to look like suicide?

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  34. oh shoot !!! - so did not want the wedding thing to come out in the open - it was supposed to be their private deal! - now it will become like one of the many many shows on SP and the like where there is a 'marriage of convenience or a fake marriage' to save/help/rescue someone in the family - and then everyone finds out - a lot of stupid drama and finally all repeat rasams - so Ekta Kapoor ish!!
    plus it ruins the sanctity of their marriage so far - ok so one step was missing but they did do the rest in front of KKG's God - and they honestly thought it was a done deal - even ODB never thought it has a half baked thing (that's why he always said we will get a divorce in the end - not that it will get nullified on its own!!!)
    Plus it nullifies all she said about Shyam as everyone will start doubting her character! (by everyone i mean Dadi!)


    And more songs - seriously!!! the CTs/CVs please get over this identity crises and realize that this is a serial not a B grade Bollywood movie - concentrate on the script and the characters and the story - not on songs and dance (that too copied from Bollywood movies!!!!)

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    1. Mona, the show is on a mainstream family channel, not a youth channel which is more permissive. It would be difficult to sell the 'marriage' as it happened to this audience for a hindu marriage is not complete without the pheras, immaterial of what the two people involved consider it to be. It is not just a case of missing one step but it is the most crucial step without which it is not valid as per the societal conventions. It is not without a reason they refrained from showing the c-night despite the fact that both considered that they were married to each other. Otherwise don't you think that a guy who couldn't wait to do it in the jungle, that too with with threat to their lives, has not shown the same eagerness to bed her after they were back in RM when there was enough opportunity? Where is the question of repeat rasams when they have not even taken the first ones?



      Yes, everyone would doubt her character and this is where Arnav should set the records straight saying that it was he would had forced her to this unconventional marriage and despite living under the same roof for six months they had not enjoyed any marital bliss and on the contrary he had only made her suffer under his own misconception. He should admit that he was quick to judge her and she has already proved beyond doubt that her love for him is pure and strong by risking her life for him not once but three times. If it hadn't been for her he wouldn't be alive before them. Everyone, including his precious Di should know what this poor girl had to go through for his family. Everyone are under the impression that these two were having a ball when the house was shrouded in gloom. The supreme sacrifice that these two made for the well being of their siblings has to come out but I do have a fear that Khushi realising that Arnav spilling out the whole truth will strain the relationships with each and every family member, including Nani, may take on all the blame and leave RM.

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    2. Mona,
      On the wedding- 'everyone will start doubting her character!': exactly what the CVs and Shyam would want. Put KKG in a position that even Arnav cannot save her and he gets to see how a decision he made in haste can have far reaching effects in her life.
      I could not read Khushboorath's post in IF (members only), I caught glimpses from the responses. She has put a poem and it makes a LOT of sense. Dia has not mentioned it, so I am not discussing it. But after reading it, I doubt if the track will go the Ekta Kapoor way.

      Songs.... *sigh* ... agree with you. I really hope this is not true.

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    3. that's just it - i agree his decision was a hasty one and it can have far reaching effects - BUT the effects are already there -they both have suffered (remember all the trauma post wedding for ODG & all the trauma for ODB - scene by the pool etc)- they almost lost what was most important, their love for each other for the sake of their families! they have both done the agni pariksha

      And the only thing that keeps this story separate from the run of the mill stuff is that ODG has dignity - even when ODB&G fight - they do it in private - its never a public affair - even when he did not consider her his wife - he was damned sure no one disrespected her and she did not tell anyone about ODB's deal - even though she faced the worst sort of humiliation at his hands

      i know i am just rambling but i would have so preferred if they showed other things (and there are many) that lead to Shyam getting a chance to create doubt - like lack of clues about the kidnapping! - Instead of making the husband wife private deal public!

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    4. " BUT the effects are already there -they both have suffered"
      Mona,
      What has he suffered? Other than the time it took and the trouble he had to go through trying to hate her while still loving her. Did he cry when her mother hit her?(He winced a bit there.) Did he cry when she had to sleep outside his room?( He felt some semblance of a regret, but justified himself.) Did he suffer the humiliation with her during munh- dikhayee? (He declared to his relatives that 'they' are not answerable to anyone.) Did he feel the pain of rejection at pag phere? (He dragged her back home.)

      I am not saying I want revenge. I am quite fine with the fact that he is trying to make up for all his actions, has genuine regret, and I absolutely love this assertive pati avataar. But where is the regret? Zabardasti shaadi kiya, and now he talks about his haqs and her haqs. May be now he has to know that feeling of helplessness when you have to pay the price for someone else's mistakes.

      For me, that forced wedding was the biggest injustice done to Khushi. He had his reasons, but he played with the core of her beliefs. She is too forgiving, may be that is why he is making a joke out of the saat phere request.(I am loving the comedy here.) He has to realise how important it is for her. I really hope at least dadi's dialogues (promo) make him take her to a temple and complete the vows preferably in a low key affair.

      I think I'd love it if the tables are turned some time later, and Khushi gets to tell Arnav, "Aapko haq hai- hum par, hameshaa". It has to be given, not demanded. Just like he has given it to her without her demanding it.

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    5. Mona, I didn't want it to come out either, I was rather hoping just like their marriage, the pheras happen between just these two.

      But sab TRP ka chakkar hai, Every show worth its salt is having a marriage track, and this show desperately needs TRPs, so a marriage might just happen.

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    6. "I do have a fear that Khushi realising that Arnav spilling out the whole truth will strain the relationships with each and every family member, including Nani, may take on all the blame and leave RM."

      Anti-SHIDDAT!!!!!

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  35. Was out the whole day and just got back and feel disoriented....
    still reading the comments..
    was thinking a bit about the 14 year old's decision...and even that thot is beset with doubts.....

    the only thing that makes sense to me is a 14 year old witnessing his father in a compromising position and rushing to tell his mom about it....quite like him witnessing Khushi and Shyam in a compromising position (DDR) and rushing to tell Anji about it...
    Recollect how he says, that man was wrong then and Shyam is wrong now.

    how it connects Khushi in the past..i now have no idea...maybe some of u may a better thot on this....

    also, i remember the "maa" in the middle of the road scene....now it seems he thot of it as a similar situation but i have no idea why their fbs are limited in that case....(to keep the past hidden, i guess)

    will read comments and come back for more bak bak...
    btw, whats this talk about songs...how silly is that idea?

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    1. Rekha,
      I feel if ASR witnessed something like that, as you said, he'd be getting fbs of that. And the way nani and dadi went, "woh aurat" and "uss raat", it seems like some woman came with a big revelation that night which explains the shocked look on Anji's face. Did the mother rush off to commit suicide or was it to placate someone- her husband? Did the gun shot occur before she reached her room- did that shot kill her husband? And then there was a second gunshot which claimed her life?

      I feel no one really knows what happened behind closed doors that night. There were two corpses and the easiest explanation was suicide. Yeh to ab bhi ek raaz banke reh gaya hain!

      About the 14 year old making decisions, I need to rewatch on monday to hear the exact dialogue. I felt it was about him banishing his dad from his mind, from his life- not willing to give his dead father a second chance. He blamed his dad for his mother's suicide.

      I must say, I am with dadi here, when she said, "Your mother was a weak woman to go and commmit suicide like that!" If she did that, indeed, she was a weak woman! Dadi or nani would not have reacted like that! Dadi may not hate her dil, but she is definitely disappointed with her for deserting her children like that.

      Dadi is not justified in leaving the kids with nani, but there may be more to it- why a strong woman like her had to do it- to pay penance for something? Did she feel if she had acted earlier and had been firm, all this could have been avoided, the children would still have their parents?

      Is that why she has decided to act now, before things become too late for Anjali? She cannot let her grandson repeat the same mistake as his father.

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  36. My guess is that the marriage thing will not come out. If the CVs keep it consistent, I dont think ASR will allow anything to happen that will make KKG go away from him. My hope is that promo is misleading. Dadi will accuse Khushi, ASR will say "aap kitna jaante ho khushi ko" and defend her that she will not do such a thing. The real truth, he will not bring out in public. But instead to please dadi and quiet her, he will propose a re-marriage! I seriously wish that Khushi doesnt have to go through this humiliation and ASR is the only one who can save her. Plz Plz CVs, ASR has redeemed miles, dont make him loose them again.
    On the past connection, I dont have much thoughts-picture is muddled right now. I want ASR to connect with Garima, as he has to call her Amma. She is related to the past, but in a good way I think. I think Garima will clear all the MUs ASR has about his dad. And who knows at the end he realises that he is like his dad, truly, deeply madly in love with his mother..just the way he is with KKG!!

    Sukhi

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  37. http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3141050&PID=62772089&#62772089

    read the post by lazyleaves... its the second part of an OS.. but is very, very sweet.. :)) I HOPE the scene plays out 10% of what she has written... :)) me likes!! :)

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    1. yeh laad governor businessman hai ya lawyer .... awww poor khushi!!

      madsie ArHi aur connecting dots and past happenings which will favour their relationship, bas bhul hi jao.

      SN: Look at khushis wig in dream scene pic ... why can't it be like this now???

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  38. Just read all the posts about the past ... from Krish, Rekha, Su, Sukhi ...
    Krish, you said, will Dadi show proof of her son's innocence? Showing that Arnav's decision was wrong at that time? This showing Anjali that he could have been wrong about Shyam as well?

    Just for that one reason, I feel that they CANNOT go this way ... because they can't show any of Arnav's decisions being wrong ... he is the HERO after all ...
    Unless they want to bring out that Arnav's decision of marrying Khushi was wrong ... which I have already said it was, for some reasons, see my post above. ArHi marriage actually precipitated the entire tamasha, which Khushi, by keeping quiet would have avoided.

    I firmly believe Khushi's telling anyone would not have made any difference at that time, except for maybe breaking Payash rishta. Nobody would have believed her, she would have stayed away from RM, if Payash rishta broke, so would Payal, and Shyam would have gone on his merry way hoodwinking Arnav-Anjali, maybe falling for other women, or maybe just enjoying his money, while Anjali continued to live in her fools' paradise, and Arnav in his ivory tower. Khushi would have married a sweet halwai and lived comfortably ever after. End of story.

    Let me tell you two true stories here ...
    An NRI rich guy's marriage was fixed to an Indian girl. The groom's cousin was studying the the same college as the bride, and was horrified, because she knew (the entire college knew) that the bride-to-be was having an affair with a classmate.
    Cousin sister told her parents ... parents debated for a while, then hesitantly told the groom's parents ... your chosen bride seems to be involved with another guy. Groom's parents apparently asked the girl's parents/friends and were assured that no, the girl was involved, but it's all over, she's happy about the marriage. Wedding went ahead.
    Six months later, husband wife had huge argument, husband killed wife with kitchen knife ... and then drove off and committed suicide by backing his car over a cliff.

    So the cousin sister telling the guy and his family had absolutely NO effect, if they had listened, and called off the marriage, their son would still be alive today.

    Another true story ... young couple, married a few years ... the husband's cousin got engaged ... the wife saw the girl at the engagement and was shocked ... again, she knew the girl was of loose character. She confided in her husband's aunt, to whom she was close, the two of them told the cousin's parents. The young bride got the flak, as to why she was badmouthing the chosen bride, after all, the family had done all the checks. Only the groom's father said no, she did her duty, now its for us to decide.
    They went ahead with the engagement.

    This guy was luckier ... few days later, he saw himself, his fiance drinking/smoking with some male friends ... this I'm talking almost forty years ago, and a pretty conservative family ... so he called off the engagement.
    Again, family being informed made absolutely NO difference ...

    I know both families personally ... aankhon dekha haal here, no question of MU :)))

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    1. Continuing ...

      Krish again ... good point ... when Anjali was swaying with all the accusations against Shyam was she reminded of the past? Is that why she kept quiet the? Because it reminded her of her dad's time ... and till now, she firmly believed her dad was wrong too?
      Is that belief going to be shaken?

      Again, IS that the whole truth, or will something more emerge?

      Rekha ... was the similarity in the scene, that Arnav saw his dad and the other woman, and rushed to tell his mom? Thereby did he actually precipitate the entire drama? Did that happen on Anji's wedding day, thus causing a triple tragedy ... two suicides and one broken wedding?

      WAS ARNAV WRONG then? Again, I believed then that he WAS wrong in rushing to tell Di ... he should have told Nani at the time ... look at the two stories I wrote above, in both the person never told the groom directly, she spoke to an elder first and they took the decision ...
      So was Arnav wrong in rushing to tell mom before ascertaining the entire truth? The same way that he was wrong in his hurried decision to marry Khushi before ascertaining her side of the truth?

      Was the mother really weak that she took her own life? Or was it murder disguised as suicide, and when Dad came to know, he took his own life out of guilt?

      Where is the chacha involved?
      And bear in mind that this is part of the original story, so the chacha is definitely involved somewhere.

      Lots of stuff to ponder over, things will slowly become clearer in the next few weeks ... the truth will unfold slowly ...
      And it makes sense to me if the purpose is not only to reveal the past, but also to clear the MU's that persist till today ...

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    2. when i wrote that comment... i hadnt taken into consideration a lot of facts... the main one being arnav is the HERO... apologies...

      but, having said that... i wrote that entirely in anjali's perspective... hence the line about arnav being wrong then and wrong now...

      my point was, arnav could have been wrong then.. he was only 14 years, easily manipulative... but 28 now... he knows the facts, he has enough proof now to throw his KJ out... but, if dadi has proof of her son's innocence, and if that comes out... anjali's vishwas on arnav wil be lost... she'll begin to think that if chotey was wrong before when they had loads of proof against their father (assumption)... what is the guarantee that he is right now.. when there are only circumstantial proofs, most of them against Khushi...

      i'm not saying this is how the story will progres... that is the audience may not be showed this... but this may be anjali's thot process if the whole truth abt hadsaa comes out.. if there is a whole truth in the fist place...

      actually dia, this thing about whole truth struck me because you said that if they are bringing the past, it wouldnt be just to let everyone know what happend then but may be also to clear away a few MUs....

      also, i dont buy that arnav's mnom would commit suicide just because arnav saw his dad in a compromising situation... she is nani's daughter after all... can't be so weak... her first reaction on hearing arnav would be denial... not suicide... same as anjali... and any mother of two children, if convinced of her husbands adultery, would first want to protect her children from the man.. not abandon them to their fates... esp not on her daughter's marriage...

      thats why i said, arnav may have come to know abt his dad's illicit relationship thru his chacha.... may have seen it himself, chacha probably planted enough poofs fo both the children... and believed what he saw... acted accordingly... AA's mom was helpless, though in complete denial, couldnt do anything against her brother-in-law, son and daughter (to some extent)... chacha has a hunch tht the entire family isnt convinced, so stages his next act... which should be the hadsa... and hence the suicide...

      do i make any sense???

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    3. Now that they have put his dad and shyaam on same level from ASRs POV. I do not want a case where his dad was misunderstood.

      I like the murder theory. Like Nasiruddin Shah in Sarfarosh. Killed himself before anyone could question him. I really hope mom's was a murder by chahaJi.

      It hurts to think a mother so weak but then again few hours back I was talking with my friend who is going through Anjali case an worse. Her constant "meri mout bhi toh nahi hoti" and I believe its only her 10 month daughter on her lap thats keeping her sane.

      So maybe too early to think she was weak without knowing what the mother was going through an looking at dadis nature she definitely had no support. chaha-chahiJi would have been horrible. To top it a husband with ASR attitude and Shyaamwa mind and soul *shudder*

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    4. Dia,

      am absolutely on the same page with u...he rushed to tell Di when he could have taken Nani's counsel.....

      I also believe like u, Khushi was in no position to do anything except what she did that day becos she was the weakest link in her opinion. the orphan who never got a real chance to make a diff on the times that mattered....

      In a way, Arnav has erred on that occasion, the only thing is he has allowed his trust in Khushi to accept that he may have been wrong about an aspect of that story....that the terrace scene had two parties, he had confronted one and got one side of the story. He had to wait for his his trust to gain strength before he could "listen" to the other part.

      The one thing that comes as a constant is perhaps Arnav's inability to live with a lie or something that is morally wrong....he is quick to anoint the person as a morally depraved in his eye....saying his father was wrong then and Shyam is wrong now.

      I am not in a position now to decide which is a better past for ASR....one where he is right or wrong....
      14 year olds can be wrong, but i wonder what is it the story wants to convey....i am not really sure here....

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    5. okay, i'm officially going mad... i'm only posting this coz i have typed it... plz feel free to skip this comment..

      sama... if ASR's dad was not misunderstood, then why would he suicide?? if he was guilty, then may be it wasn't a suicide... could it be that arnav's mom killed her husband and then killed herself too??


      like your cited example( no offense meant), a woman always gains strength from her children.... she learns to take up on the world, not for herself but for her children. Anji has always portrayed her mom as a very loving and caring figure... ASR too seems to be of the same opinion... will a mother every commit suicide??? the feminist in me refuses to believe that AA's mom was weak minded...

      may be at the heat of the moment, the fist gunshot, was to kill her husband.... once she realised what happened, and how things have gone totally out of control, may be then she killed herself too.... afraid to face the reality..


      okay, i'm officially going mad... i'm only posting this coz i have typed it... plz feel free to skip this comment...

      rekha and dia... should have commented before.. but i would like to say i am in complete agreement with you! khuhi couldnt have done anything other than keeping silence. her telling anji and arnav wouldnt have made any difference.. she did everything in her power to stay away from the creep and our shatir dimag ASR did everything to make their paths cross...... he brought them under the same roof, in constant presence of each other...

      the reason why arnav sought anji and not nani is a matter of habbit... at the time of any crisis he goes to his di... it was more instinctive and impulsive... and we also believe that more than the dhokha of his jija, it was his presumption that khushi is involved in the affair that made him react the way he did... so he probably went to Di to share the pain... the same way they did 14 yrs ago.. both of them were betrayed.... nani wouldnt have crossed his mind at all....

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    6. But ASR never went to Di to share his pain. He actually never really shared it with Di ever. Except few occasion. Mostly he has absorbed his and Dis pain singularly. He went there to speak the truth, to let Di know the exact scenario of her married life. Same he might have done in his mothers case ... maybe, maybe not.

      dad died after mom that much is clear. I was thinking of dad kill himself from the movie character POV I mentioned. He was a reputed singer but originally a don. So when time came for him to be arrested he simply kill himself without second thought. Sr. Mallik could have done the same. Maybe in his hot temper he actually killed arnavs mom and made it look like a suicide and when time started to unravel things he just killed himself so that nothing comes out in open ever.

      chahaJis contribution maybe limited to just that .... throwing Sr. Malliks kids specially son out so that he can get hand on all property. So he did his chance pe dance and may not have anything to do with Sr. Mallik affairs.

      Krish a mother is strong but not always. No offence again. One reason I could understand Anjali and her abortion drama without any firm reason. This friend of mine when she got to know she is pregnant did all she could to get rid of it ... pills, toxic food, weird exercises. At the end when there was no miscarriage she went to hospital. Her sister did an Arnav there. Situation was a bit different. her mom was called by her doctor. There were few statement made by my friend which was horrifying for me to hear in a serial (she used to think its a he) "he will remind me of his father" "he deserves a better world" "he will have nobody". She also is a girl with a loving family and offensively rich father. She was a girl as spirit as the comment from band baja baraat "setting padh kar dekho das tagde bandhe niklenge" and now she has been reduced to a weak woman who tried to kill her own child and pray silently pray everyday for her life to end.

      yes she is coming around very slowly painfully ... four years have done enough damage ... if only she din't continue to give that b****** chance after chance. One of the reason being her pride in her perfect life. She was not ready to accept that it has turned into a nightmare.

      So yes the bottom line is "You never know" I only pray life to stay healthy for all of us. Hardship is most welcome but may Almighty keep the ugly away. Ameen!

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    7. sama... u have convinced me on one point.. mothers can be weak... and at times they have no option othe than to bail out of the situation by taking their own lives.... "So yes the bottom line is "You never know" I only pray life to stay healthy for all of us. Hardship is most welcome but may Almighty keep the ugly away." AMEN!!


      about the involvement of chacha in Sr. malliks death... it was just a speculation... urs seem quite valid too.

      yeh, agree that ASR never shared his pain... but ASR faced things head on... he doesnt skirts around any issue, but confonts them (the only time he dint confront the issue was the terrace scene, but he did ask shyam, too afraid to ask khushi and have her confirm it).... so when he went to di, he went to confront the issue, tell her the truth, and share her pain.... or rather as u put it absorb her pain....

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    8. Sama,
      I thought you mentioned the incident to justify Anjali's action of contemplating abortion. That I'd agree with.

      Don't know if I can sympathise with ASR's mom(if she committed suicide). She had a good support system- nani, a grown up daughter and a 14 year old doting son. There was no need for her to go the cowardly way.
      I hope you don't feel I am being insensitive to your friend. I've seen people go through breakups, with a child, without a child, married, unmarried.... I know it is painful. I've seen people go into depression after a failed affair. All that is fine. But would a middle aged mom commit suicide because her husband had an affair- that too when she had a n adult daughter about to be married. That'd be just plain selfish, and I don't think ANYONE would do that. There is simply so much more to her life now than her husband.

      I repeat, Anjali acting like that, I agree- most girls of that age may be forced to take the easy way out.And I wouldn't judge them for trying to take their lives or having an abortion.
      Your friend- "if only she din't continue to give that b****** chance after chance": God! I know how painful it can be when all you can do is just stand around and see your friend wasting her perfectly good life over a b******. I guess this is what happens when we've been trained from early childhood to be a one- man woman, even if that man turns out to be satan himself.

      "may Almighty keep the ugly away. Ameen!"

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    9. hey Su, similar incident bt an middle-aged woman, happened in my neighbourhood....this woman has a grown-up son and a teenage daughter....nobody knows the exact reason for the suicide, people say that she was mentally unstable.....

      the depression after knowing the affair could've made her (ASR's mom) mentally unstable....

      Even Anjali has a good support system, where everyone dots on her, but still she contemplated killing her child....

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    10. Geetu,
      I am talking about the age. What a newly married or expectant mother thinks will not be the same as a middle aged woman.
      The woman from your neighbourhood,I don't know how solid was the bond between the mother and the children. And whether she was already depressed prior to the precipitating factor. I can only generalise here.

      Generally, a middle aged woman from a rural bg who has brought up two loving children wouldn't rush off to commit suicide at the drop of a hat.

      I'd expect her to be depressed for some time, but her family should be able to pull her out of it. Of course, there is no rhyme or reason here, I just have this firm belief that it was not a suicide. I may be wrong. Only time will tell.

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    11. And Anjali did not think about suicide- she oly thought of abortion- I wouldn't judge her on that. Lot of women do that.

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    12. thats what i meant wen i said mothers are supposed to be strong... then again, if it was a suicide, there should be some pretty tough reason.... her husband's illicit relationship wouldnt be suffice to take such an action... not when she has a 14y old son ans daughter abt to get married!

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    13. Su, that lady m talking bt was a middle aged lady, with a grown up son and a teenage daughter.....

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    14. I think it's difficult to judge the circumstances in which a person commits suicide and what were the compelling factors, so it may not be quite right to point fingers and say the person was weak.
      There was a time when we heard of school kids taking their lives before exam results ... because they were scared of what their parents would say. Obviously I would blame the parents for putting so much pressure that the kids felt they had nowhere to go, not the child ... but it's really a combination of things, isn't it ... parental pressure, the fact that school results are all-or-nothing test to get into college, so an indictment of the educational system, lack of alternative options like vocational courses for no-so-bright students, parents pinning all their hopes on kid's education embodying their own hopes and dreams, and kids scared of letting their parents down ... there may be others ...

      Similarly, what makes a woman stick out years and years of domestic abuse even if she has a supportive family? Years and years of conditioning that a woman's ultimate goal in life is marriage, it is her sacred duty to be a good wife and DIL, adjust in her inlaws house ... very few women in India are told - be happy, if you aren't, we are here, don't put up with any nonsense ... they are always encouraged to 'make a go of it,' 'try again,' 'it takes time to adjust' blah blah ...

      Looking at Dadi, it is clear she would not have been a supportive MIL, quite the reverse ... her comment on Arnav's dad as being the argumentative type ... "baap ki khubiyan" ... indicates that he was equally strong-minded as Arnav is ... when Khushi got married to a man who hated her, she managed to win her in-laws over, and slowly they were all supportive, they, esp Nani and Anjali, loved her earlier, so it was possible for Khushi to win them back.

      Supposing Arnav's mom was not so strong ... looking at Anjali, it seems likely. Even Nani, although she is wise, hasn't been strong enough to really change MM's sharp tongue or control her sharpness towards Payal/Khushi ... while DD can keep MM terrified enough. Sometimes daughters don't confide everything to their own moms, in an attempt to make a go of their marriage. The chacha we have already seen, was a wicked character ... whether he took advantage of the situation, or actually engineered a part of it, remains to be seen. So Arnav's mom is stuck with a very strong-minded arrogant husband, who is in love with another woman, and makes no bones about it, she has a MIL who blames her and the other woman (maybe) and refuses to think her son can be wrong, no help from devar, Nani, possibly typical of women of those times, advises her to try to win her husband over, after all, MM has Mama wound round her little finger, Arnav's mom should be able to do something similar ... as a result, Mom has nowhere to go.

      But something has to have precipitated that haadsa, that much seems certain. Not just an ongoing affair ... was it the discovery of the affair on the wedding day that precipitated the tragedy? Or was it Dad's refusal to end the affair? Or announce that he intended to break his marriage and go off with the other woman? Again shades of Shyam here ... 'I love Khushi, the only thing standing between us is Rani Sahiba' ...

      I agree with Sama that now they have put ASR's dad and Shyam on the same level from story POV, it will be difficult to show that Dad was MU'ed.

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      Krish, no apologies needed ... we're having a discussion here, and you put forward your pov :))) which was very valid.

      ASR faces things head on ... yes, EXCEPT for his own feelings. He refused to accept for ages that he was falling for Khushi, his repeated insults to her were his attempt to convince himself that he hated her, his refusal to confront her about the terrace scene was his attempt to avoid his worst fear that she would confirm Shyam's story.

      As for Di, I agree again with Sama, that he doesn't share HIS pain with her, in fact he tries to shield her from the worst of it. Which is why I found it uncharacteristic of him to want to tell Anjali straight away about Shyam ... it would have been more typical of him to confront Shyam and tell him to get the hell out ... at least, that was my feeling. Maybe from the two real life examples I shared, I couldn't relate to why he went straight to Di.
      Also I have seen in real life a couple of friends straying, and in no case was the first move to inform the wife. This was among friends ... attempts were made to reason with the husband, point out what a fool he was being to risk his marriage and his kids, and try to save the marriage, esp with kids involved. And then comfort the wife, and tell her to give the guy a chance, maybe he would reform. Whether this is the right approach or not, I don't know ... at least one marriage is still running rock steady for over twenty years now, and the guy has never strayed again. How much trust is left between the couple, again, I don't know.

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    16. Su,

      no not trying to justify Anjalis actions at all. am not good with words hence it might have come out wrong. Just want to convey "You never know" POV &wrote about my friend because I woke up to her call today after weeks.

      i don't know Dia... before my friend got married I got few info from my friend who stays in America about the ugly face of her fiance who lived there. I informed my friend directly whereas my other friend took the elderly route. none worked.

      So khushi hid the truth "So what!!" as if Anjali or Arnav would have believed her. Arnav took months and it had the added fuel of love that forced him to see the true picture. Anjali by the looks of it does not believe her even after her Chote's words. Mami still does not think Khushi has no fault at all but she has been shut by Nani - she wasn't pleased. Akash last said khushiji ne jo galti ki hai - what he exactly meant will come out later.

      Uffo they better start giving some answers ... half poori nahi chahiye. Specially wo jo basi ho rahi hai. Jo garmagaram hai uska half poori chalega ... baki ka half baadh mein kha lenge.

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    17. Very true, Sama ... like I said in both the examples I gave too, the elders were informed, and that didn't work either ... nothing will convince a person if they don't want to be convinced, unless there is glaring proof, or unless the person actually confesses themselves ... or betrays themselves ...

      In a very nice serial I watched a few years ago, Astitva - Ek Prem Kahani ... the heroine is married to a much younger man ... her husband cheats on her, she doesn't realise it for ages, till she gets one bit of proof ... a hotel receipt in his pocket for a day he said he was somewhere else ... she has already started suspecting his model to be something more, but she keeps ignoring till she gets that proof ... then she doesn't take a minute to throw him out ...

      Another show I watched on infidelity - Saans ... the same thing happens ... the wife keeps ignoring things till she actually meets the woman in question ... the husband has no intention of actually breaking up his marriage, he is just happy with an affair on the sly (if I remember right) ... the other woman spills the beans, and the wife chucks her husband out.

      In both shows, the wife is supported by her in-laws, in Saans fully, because they were married for much longer, they have teenage kids, the wife has a great relationship with her nanad ... in Astitva, the nanad supports her SIL, the MIL supports the son, because she was always against his marrying a woman ten years older than him ... the FIL eventually supports his DIL too.

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    18. I have heared a lot about Astitva and its brilliance. Will watch it someday if I can get hold of it.

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  39. i am so struck on past that even the new promo couldn't haul me back...

    but i'm reserving comments, promos never play out the way they are showed.. remember shyam's accusation of khushi... we expected a dhamaka, it went tai tai phisss...

    again with the contract thing... the promo never played out at all...

    i'm sure this time around the talk of saath pheres will not come out at all... dadi wil only come to know what the rest of the family already knows.. a repeat of their marriage night may play out... but this time arnav will take up all the blame, and shield khushi from any humiliation... shaadi (not re-mariage)... not because dadi is not satisfied, but because khushi wants pheres... a poori shaadi... what began a 6 months ago, they will finish it now... may be this wedding would go down in the guiness book as the longest wedding ever... spanning over six months

    personally i dont want the marriage deal or the absent phere to come out in public... that is totally uncharacteristic of both ASR and Khushi... even in their inebriated state they held up each others honour... they cannot posibly let this happen now..... and definitely not in front of dadi...

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    1. Krish - have been trying to say the same for so long- you wrote it perfectly - thanks

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    2. Krish,
      I don't know if it is true of all IPK promos- but i realised with the dadi intro promo that the promos are symbolic! In that promo, the family is seated in the hall, and ASR slowly takes K's hand in is hand and she looks up shyly and dadi makes her entry- followed by not surprise, not joy, but a slight anxious look in ASR's eyes. That was a beautiful promo and for the first time I didn't wonder why the promo is totally disconnected from the show. It is telling us a sequence that is happening and not just one episode. It shows us that ASR is ready to accept K in public as his wife and dadi is going to cast a shadow there. (Interesting that ASR had to show his public support only AFTER dadi's entry.)

      NOw when I look back at the old promos which never play out exactly, I understand all those promos were symbolic.

      So, I feel, like you said the saat phere thing may not come out that way at all. It could be just symbolic of dadi refusing to accept the marriage.

      Having said that, this promo was shot during the Janmashtami celebrations in the set and this exact scene minus the dialogues were shown in the SBS/ E24. I really wonder how much dadi will come to know and HOW? Will she overhear Khushi mentioning her fears to Payal?

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    3. the "HOW" is probably the most imp qns... lets and wait and watch!!

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  40. can i have a shiddat here plz??? i thot shwetha had written some akash scenes.. can u plz post them here??

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    1. Krish, Havent written it down yet, have concepts in my head, when I do will post pucca.

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    2. BG will write Akash ... hayeeeeeeeeeee

      are we heading to Payash dreamland (LOL) or just Akash :D

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  41. Aaaaaaa feels like being back home .... Missed all my lovely devis at R&R.

    AharyaJi adaab :D :D

    Finished watching Arjun. Romance is the thing for 4Lion. they are good at it. Few shots that they captured of Arjun and Riya clicked immediately ... not chemistry shemistry but a feel good element. And fight sequence between the leads was utterly hilarious. Sana is a doll. This needs more of a rigid body.

    On an angry note -

    they took ASRs initial .... Really 4Lions???!!!!!

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    1. they took ASR's SUV... chalo maaf kiya... but initials tooo???? WT*???

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    2. Arjun Suryakant Rawte

      WHAT THE!!!!!

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  42. http://www.rangmunch.tv/index.php/kaelidoscope/actors/item/1315-a-candid-interview-of-daljeet-aka-anjali-of-ipkknd

    "We know how much viewers love to watch Arnav an Anjali together, so there is no way we can disappoint viewers on a festival like rakhi"

    Boy DB is too much of an Anjali to handle. delusional much!!!! If she said this last year I would have applauded.

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    2. ok maybe ... its stated 11 August 2012 though.

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    3. that definitely looks like last years.... we didnt have a rakhi seq now... just one rakhi epi... and even that had more arhi than AA... and if this was abt now, why no mention of dadi??? surely dadi's entry is the new sensation not the kurta vala ASR!

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  43. Haath dikhane ki adaat bhi inherited hai !! ROFL

    http://www.google.com/imgres?q=iss+pyaar+ko+kya+naam+doon&start=312&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&biw=1024&bih=677&tbm=isch&tbnid=7ob4V8znQp2ZqM:&imgrefurl=http://preegalipkknd.tumblr.com/&docid=cT_YQgNs_AFXEM&imgurl=http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8m46qZVvc1ruq89s.png&w=500&h=283&ei=cG0nUKCDJ7C4iAeUhoGABQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=410&vpy=150&dur=333&hovh=109&hovw=192&tx=113&ty=108&sig=105302443543449012486&page=19&tbnh=109&tbnw=192&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:15,s:312,i:107

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  44. ArHi VM on spoiler song - tumhi dekho na!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be2w9xmvD3U

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    1. are they really going to play the song??? songs halt the story progression and make the watch tiresome!!!

      why cvs do u want to make this a B-grade bollywood movie??? trust ur leads... they dnt need bwood songs, the various versions of rabba ves are more than enough to create magic on screen!!

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    2. song may play out as them busy in work an wondering. did you read the lyrics .... they are beautiful. Good thing about IPK cvs is they only pick the appropriate verse and do not stretch it more than 2 to 3 mins. So chill yaar. Jhappi!!

      I have watched aja piya nth time already. Once I got over the original song comparison I loved it. This song they are definitely going triumph. Its just an SRK not RK song. LOL

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    3. dnt get me wrong!!! i love this song.. i have had it as my ringer tune for ages (before i changed it to teri meri, after sangeet epi)...

      its just that, oh i dunno.... i so want the past to play now, afraid the songs mite dilute the intensity...

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    4. aaawwwww I know but kya karein this is vintage IPK ... they dilute all the intensity they build with so much effort :(

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  45. I so agree Krish..I may be one of the few who even get tired of long staring Rabba Ves, I want the story moving in each episode. Thoda sa bhi lamba Rabba Ve, and I think come on dont waste screen time!
    I also dont want too many songs, not BW songs atleast. Their own BG is good, even the title song works.
    BTW I have been watching the episodes again- and I was wondering that in all the kiss scenes, forehead and cheek pecks. Are the leads really doing or is it just the camera and angle? I know its a digress from the current discussion, but still the person in me who dissects each and every scene based on what you all say, I am curious!!
    If it is just camera and angle, then good job editing team!!

    Sukhi

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    1. camera angles.

      You cant have the leads kissing on STAR PLUS in an 8 oclock show.

      Apparantly thursday's epi was termed mature by youtube, I know wt* indeed.

      ON A RANDOM NOTE AGAIN:

      Was watching JDJ:

      They had boman and farha supposedly kissing under the umbrella and Manish (Oh I adore this guy) went upto Farah and said wait a minute you can't do that, it is a family show.

      And pat came Farah's reply: Beta, Family aisay hi banti hai,

      rofl.

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    2. Thanks Yaar Shwetha..thats what I thought, but then again confirm karna banta hai!
      Farah and Boman were completely on roll in Jhalak. And that guy Manish, he is a very good host.

      -Sukhi

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  46. A totally different post ROFL ROFL

    http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3143932

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    1. Akash----GIRAFFE (the height and movement)Akash GIRAFFE (the height and movement)

      ROFL!!! shwetha would love this, no??

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    2. hahaha, hilarious...tfs Sama...loved this line
      'Aman is an extinct animal. Heard of but not seen.'

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    3. ummm.. ihave had this doubt for quite sometime.. who was the manager who came to RM, when khushi called, is he not aman??

      if no, then the one who called to inform khushi that ASR has not reached london (during KN track), is he not AMAN???

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    4. Krish,
      I thought the guy who called on KN track was Aman.

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    5. Sama, Geetu,
      'Aman is an extinct animal. Heard of but not seen.' *LOL*
      Witty post, thanks.

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    7. Krish, that manager wasn't Aman, Karan (NK) had tweeted saying so, when IF went abuzz with that question....

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    8. the phone guy could be, but presumably, he was in london n not delhi, so maybe not...

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  47. thank you ladies!! had a good sunday here..! might be MIA this week! hope v have a good week wid loads of arHi scenes and some definite truths about the past!! *SHIDDAT*

    tc :)

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  48. Arnav said Dad went and took mom with him:

    So he commited suicide first or was it his mom.

    CONFUSED HERE.

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    1. he said majboor kiya and also said soemthing about pehle maa ko majboor kiya so i am presuming he did only after his mom....but my hearing can well be faulty considering it was BS mumbling....

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  49. How will the song play out:

    During their pheras with just the two of them?

    During the celebrations where everyone is blissfully unaware of these two being in their dreamland.

    Or the actual SR...RATHER as is their history, almost SR?

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    1. almost almost SR.... cts ko adhoora kaam bohot pasand hai!!


      adhoora hut romance followed by adhoora milan followed by adhoora tappadgate followed by adhoora Di emotions followed by adhoora khushi mission followed by adhoora wooing biwi followed by now sudden adhoora marriage.

      to top it all adhoora kaam by stylists of leads coupled with sometimes adhoora editing and adhoora direction or adhoora/lack of important dialogues.

      *phew*

      hence TRP bhi adhoora it would have been in 5s otherwise.

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    2. ROFL ROFL sama - you on a roll here:D

      BTW why choose a song from a film based on infidelity?? i for one hated the movie- the worst thing - when both SRK and Rani go back to their respective spouses - say sorry - get thrown out - they end up singing sad songs for their lovers - not spouses! - So, if the spouses had forgiven them given them another chance, the two would have continued to cheat, albeit emotionally and in thought - Yuck!

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    3. Mona when KANK was released BW was a craze to me .... I used to watch each and every BW. It had Rani so even more. Well not anymore. Specially after KANK which I have not finish watching even once. There was perfect message though loud and clear -

      "you don't like someone you just don't him/her, no matter how nice he/she is"

      oh an the song ... lyrics is beautiful an the para Aaru has stated fits Arnav a lot at the moment ... it will be nice if it plays at background while both are busy for janmashtami preparation and are stealing glances frequently across the hall, well khushi doing that ... arnav will be the cute besharam as usual ... ogling biwi :))))

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    4. Mona,
      I had the same thought as you. Why a song from a movie on infidelity? There are thousands of somgs that could convey the same message.

      Sama,
      I can understand you not watching the movie.
      I did finish watching the movie somehow, I'll never rewatch it. The message- I love Preity's character for this- she says something like 'people like you are made for each other'. Only you can tolerate him and I think both of you deserve each other.She proceeds to give her his address and they meet.
      What Preity said is what Karan Johar said too, he did not try to justify any one there. And personally I felt Rani deserved to spend the rest of her life with an AH like him. Sorry, there was no love story there for me.
      On the other hand, when I watched Rockstar, I empathised with the girl and applauded the love story. I have no clue why!

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  50. Continuing with my list of MM songs...

    Madan Mohan-Kaifi Azmi contd –
    1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3z_HLhCEpM&feature=related
    (Movie – hanste zakhm – beetab dil ki tamanna yehi hain
    2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLPVApLppH8&feature=related
    (movie – hanste zakhm – aaj socha toh aasu bhar aaye, mudhate ho gayi musraye)
    3)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAriFmwjA6g&feature=related
    Movie – Hindustan ki kasam – har taraf ab yehi afsaane hain, hum teri ankhon ke diwane hain
    4)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKp2ZWYR0aE
    Movie – Hindustan ki kasam – hain tere saath meri wafa main nahin toh kya


    Madan mohan – Majrooh sultan puri
    1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw3hmdC1HNg
    Dastak – mai re main ka se kahoon
    2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSERYQGm6fE&feature=related
    Dastak – bhaiya na dharoo ( an absolutely beautiful bandhish, a personal favourite..absolutely romantic based on a classical rag)
    3)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InoD-N-hntY (both rafi and lata versions)
    Chirag – teri aankhon ke siva dunya mein rakha kya hain


    Madan Mohan – Gulzar (Gulzar wrote for MM only for two movies…Mausam and Koshish)
    1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIDphvxk3ZI&feature=related
    Mausam – ruke ruke se kadam rukhke baar baar chale
    2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE3umqKsnOM&feature=related (this song has two versions in the movie ..the slow and the fast paced one. A tidbit of trivia, third version which was not used in the movie was used years later in the movie “veer zaara”.
    Mausam – dil dhundhta hain phir wahi furssat ke raat din
    3) A cute fun song in the movie but I could not find a YT link,
    Movie – Mausam - Chhadee Re Chhadee Kaisee Gale Mein Padee

    Hope u guys like it too...will last a last of the misc MM songs, don't have a YT link for it...will add and send

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    1. I am sooooo going to be a sayani by the time you finish with all your playlist. Jhappi !!!

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  51. Thoughts on rewatch:
    1. “Di mere zindagi mein sabse important hai”: At first, I felt did he say it because he still does not realize that K is the most important person in his life. Will he need one more ambulance moment to get it engraved in his mind? On second thoughts, it may be because Khushi is a part of his self now. And when he says meri zindagi, he means hamari zindagi.
    2. NK is wearing the old t- shirt of ‘divide and conquer’- Sandy had mentioned it then- Shyam’s mantra?
    3. Nani says Anjali is getting back to normal: Who is it that has made her get back to this state of normalcy?
    4. Anjali in the restaurant: her response when the phone comes. Now Anjali is clearly wavering. If there is a repeat of that revelation night, won’t she leave with Shyam, with dadi supporting Shyam? What will K do if that happens?
    5. Got to watch last Janmashtami videos. Khushi ended up with dirt thrown on her dress, face that night.
    6. Is this day going to last a week in IPK land?

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  52. Hi, Just got one doubt.

    Would a woman who was strong enough and had enough sense to plan to write a letter to her going to be bahu-about her sons gussa and how to return it with extra pyaar( bangles box letter),
    .. wOULD SUCH A WOMAN commit suicide DURING her daughters wedding??? Maybe after it in the night... but during it seems to me as if she might actually have been murdered.( Maybe she saw her husband being killed by the chacha or the chacha actully in a comprimising position... so he killed her and staged both suicides?

    Dont know just an idea, coa i dont like the thought of their mother killing herself during the wedding.

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  53. ****SPOILER ALRET****

    http://i.imgur.com/9okvJ.jpg

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    1. AWWWWW but listen why the heart its kinda cheesy they should have just spread it out...but still AWWWWW!!!

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    2. But Sama I really doubt it'll happen...;-)

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  54. Dia a big bear wala hug .... touching update ... completely with you on this - poor Arnav!!

    we din't like the dinning table scene but it was symbolism galore for few :( :(

    I read and re-read thursday update ... hilarious and for the first time I have watched a non-ArHi scene repeatedly. DD-MM-NK scene. Boy with serious background score and all with such seriousness yet I laugh hard everytime I watch it. :)))))))))

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  55. 'they have put ASR's dad and Shyam on the same level from story POV, it will be difficult to show that Dad was MU'ed.':
    Dia, Sama,

    Dadi does not have to be right both the times and ASR does not have to be right always. Everyone makes mistakes. Our hero is capable of commmitting some grave mistakes and doesn't think twice before MUing someone.

    ASR MUed Khushi and his dad. He is right about Shyam.
    Dadi MUed Khushi, ASR and Shyam(turned out to be good for him). She may be right about his dad.

    NOt saying that dadi is right, just that even though they've put ASR's dad and Shyam at the same level, it is only from dadi's pov. She thimks both are innocent. From ASR's pov, both are bad. If we give 50-50 to each, won't it be OK?

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