Sunday, June 17, 2012

Weekend Discussion Post

The Friday post is reaching 200, so opened the new post. Girls, do you want to combine this and the Shiddat Post for the week, or keep them separate? Will edit accordingly.

Also I will shortly post a brief summary of the last week so that we can decode and discuss the current situation as it stands. And make our predictions for the week ahead. I am revising my thoughts in the light of the new spoiler we got - the final showdown is obviously postponed for a little longer. Just hope BS is back to shooting and the postponement is due to story demands and not due to his absence. If he has time to play a charity football match, I think he would have time to shoot for IPK.

For those who haven't heard, the new spoiler by Mishti is that there will be a reprise of Teri Meri, which will be Arnav's dream. Also heard that there is a gag order on the sets of IPK and SBS/ SBB and journalists are not allowed. So hopefully the climax of the track cometh soon :)

Didn't catch the SBS yesterday, what was it about? Someone post the link please :) Now that we know there are no track spoilers, we can relax the ban :))

Thoughts:
As things stand -
Khushi knows that Arnav has been kidnapped, Shyam is the kidnapper. She knows that Shyam knows that she and Mami are on the track and that they know about the kidnapping. She knows that Shyam does not know that NK also knows about the kidnapping, and definitely not about Shyam's involvement. So it makes sense for Khushi and NK to stay apart as far as possible in front of the entire family, not only Shyam - otherwise they risk Anjali coming up with remarks like 'Khushi and Mami/NK are bonding very well these days.' Their interactions have to be limited in front of everyone, and restricted to when they are alone and unobserved. So explains NK's absence in the last episode ... I expect him to surface in night scenes only with Khushi.

Mami does not know about Shyam's involvement. But Shyam knows that Mami does know about the kidnapping. Let Shyam watch the Khushi-Mami interactions, and feel that Khushi is on the track of some unknown kidnappers, and that Mami knows all about that.If Khushi is to tell Mami at some point about Shyam's involvement, then it has to be done in secret again. Why should she not tell Mami? Sandy had a reason ... Sandy, please repeat ;)

Shyam knows that Khushi does not trust him an inch, yet he expects her to tell him about Arnav's phone call. Logically, why should she? He has not yet promised to help her with finding Arnav yet. He has not even promised to tell Arnav the truth about his and Khushi's relationship, on the contrary, he's keeping it as a condition of finding the papers.
So logically, he first needs to win Khushi's trust before she tells him anything further. So I expect a scene on Monday where after the signing int he fake Roy's office, Shyam tells Khushi that he has helped to get a property signed in her name, that's a start to help her realising her goal, Khushi should retort she doesn't need his help, some more tu tu main main, where she finally says that he hasn't even agreed to tell Arnav the truth without demanding some papers in return, so why should she trust him. Upon which he promises to tell Arnav the truth regardless of papers, she then after some show of reluctance, thanks him ... maybe he also says that he has a bone to pick with Arnav and is on her side ... and then we get the promo scene or a version of it, she tells him about Arnav's call ... also telling him about the train and mandir bells. No harm telling him clues about Arnav's location, she knows he knows it. Or maybe she can leave out the clues about the location, because if he knows she has a hint of the location, he might move Arnav again ...
As Shyam doesn't know that Khushi knows he is the kidnapper, and he knows Arnav doesn't know it either, no problem if Arnav and Khushi talk - they can't exchange any more information than what he thinks they already have, except for the clues about Arnav's location. So again - has he planted those clues?

My kwostin again - how many abandoned warehouses does Shyam have at his disposal? :))

I am presuming that Khushi and NK are completely together in this 'trick Shyam' plan. So NK knows that Khushi is going to try to win Shyam's trust, hence again, it's advisable for him to keep distance from Khushi, so that Shyam doesn't feel they have any special understanding.
I am also going to assume that when Khushi and NK were debating on Thursday as to Shyam's motive, Khushi finally had the brainwave of checking the photo of the papers in her phone. And the Will has given her a clue as to the motive. I assume this from the way she confronted Shyam with her motive - that she wants Arnav's wealth. Also noticed that Khushi confirmed to Shyam that she doesn't want Arnav's wealth per se - she wants it for revenge.
What should puzzle her is what was puzzling all of us - then why is Shyam keeping Arnav alive? But all the more reason to speed up the investigation - because if she doesn't know that reason, then Arnav's life is in danger. It's also a reason to inform the police, but quietly and clandestinely ... NK can do that as Shyam has no suspicion of him at the moment. However, that would be a logical thing to do ... so don't know if that will be done!

Since Shyam has no clue of NK's involvement, NK is the ace up Khushi's sleeve - he can do all the silent behind-the-scenes fact finding, things like arranging the man to collect the money from Khushi, eavesdropping on Shyam's phone conversations, hopefully the ones with the fake Mr Roy included, so that Khushi and NK can keep a step ahead of Shyam in this game.

Mami is useful as a front for the more obvious of Khushi's drama ... Khushi keeps her up to date with the information that she wants Shyam to have ... like that she is going near Buaji's house, dual purpose - telling Mami indirectly that her trip has to do with the kidnapping, and letting Shyam feel that Mami is still in with Khushi, and confirming they haven't stopped hunting for Arnav, but also that Mami has no clue about Khushi's "real' vendetta. So Shyam knows that Mami is with Khushi in the hunt for Arnav, but she doesn't know about the badla part, so Khushi won't tell her about the Roy trip obviously, and is giving Mami a red herring about going to hunt for Arnav. Whew!!!

Too many wheels within wheels ... truly a chakravyuh from which it will be difficult to come out.

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  1. Dia, SBS discusses the charity football match Barun took part in and also had something about changing names of existing shows. Nothing specific on the track. I had posted my prediction (wish) of how the track should unfold in the next couple of months in the last thread. Posting it here again.

    Part 1

    Khushi would track Arnav down (hopefully with mami's and NK's help although she may reach Arnav before the other two). When she reaches him, Arnav himself may have been on the verge of escape after luring and then bashing up his captures(this is for people who feel Arnav hasn't been acting like a hero of late). The two are making their way out when they are tracked by Shyam who provokes Arnav by jeering at him for reposing trust in a woman who was all set to destroy him. Much to Khushi's shock, he shows him evidence of Khushi's grand design to topple AR because she wanted revenge for what he did to her and her family. He tells him that although Khushi was innocent all along, Arnav's refusal to believe in her innocence has embittered her so much that she was willing to do anything to ensure his downfall.

    Arnav is stunned hearing this and turns to Khushi who is too shocked to react. Although Arnav has been having his doubts about Khushi's involvement in the Shyam affair for sometime (his time in captivity has given him enough time to introspect), Shyam's confirmation of her innocence clears all vestiges of doubts. He flies into a rage and attacks him and in the resultant fight, Shyam pulls out his gun and aims at Arnav. Seeing this Khushi jumps in to save him and gets hit by the bullet and falls in Arnav's arms. Shyam makes his escape fearing arrest.

    Mami and NK arrive at the scene and they take Khushi to the hospital. A distraught Arnav is inconsolable. He demands that the doctors save his wife but they tell him her condition is critical and although they will do their best, it is left to God. Arnav recollects the scene where Khushi tells him that his destiny is written by DM and the day he realises it she may not be with him. He rushes to DM for help and begs her to save the life of her favourite disciple. He returns to the hospital and remains fixed outside her ICU, refusing to eat or sleep. After all this high voltage drama, Khushi is finally out of danger. Arnav is relieved hearing this and is eager to see her but stops short recollecting how much he had wronged her. Although he did not believe Shyam that Khushi wanted revenge for all that he had done to her, he himself feels he needs to be punished for the appalling way he treated her. Feeling unworthy of her, he leaves the place.

    (contd)

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    1. Opti you managed in weekend ... Great! :D

      Loved the story line up ... hope this happens but even then I guess Shyaams not going anywhere soon ... therefore Anjali won't know ... moreover they can't send Arnav away from everything ... hence Shyaam remains .... Arnav needs to be around to keep him in check .... protect 2 most precious ladies of his life ... his Di & his wife !!

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    2. well you guys have already discussed it in explicit detail .... will just read through ... lol

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  2. Part 2

    When Khushi recovers, the first person she seeks out is Arnav but he is nowhere in sight. She is surrounded by her family and his but the one person she wants to be with is not around. Seeing her searching eyes, Anjali tells her that Chottey must have gone home for he looked exhausted from the night vigil. Although Khushi is disappointed at not having Arnav by her side, she waits patiently for him but he does not turn up. Meanwhile Arnav gives the excuse of some urgent business meeting abroad and leaves RM. Actually he is holed up in some place, reliving the agony he put Khushi through.
    Arnav's absence leaves Khushi heartbroken. She presumes that he believed Shyam's version of the truth and has misunderstood her again, the reason why he did not come to see her. She knows he loves and cares for her but his lack of trust makes her wonder what is the use of their relationship. She tells his family that she would like to spend some time with her family after being discharged from the hospital and they agree.

    Anjali, in the meantime, wonders about Shyam's absence but fearing the impact on her pregnancy, the rest of the family give the excuse of some emergency case which has taken him out of town (by now Akaash, mami, mama and Nani all know Shyam's true colours and after the initial shock and Akaash's displeasure with Payal for keeping it a secret, they reconcile to it). Anjali, however, comes to know the truth, when the police call to inform that they have caught Shyam and she happens to receive the call. She goes into shock, loses her baby and goes into deep depression. Arnav is informed and he rushes back to RM. The entire family tries to get Anjali to respond but fail to do so.


    Nani calls Khushi back to RM and Khushi returns. Arnav and Khushi are uncomfortable around each other. While he is still burning in guilt, she still thinks he does not trust her. When they are alone, he finally breaks down and begs for her forgiveness. It is then that she realises that all this while he kept himself away from her not because he did not trust her but because he wanted to punish himself. They have a heart to heart conversation where all the cobwebs are cleared and they wholeheartedly accept that their love for each other overrides all other emotions.

    Together they work towards pulling Anjali out of her depression. This brings them really close as they develop a better understanding of and appreciation for each other. Her doctor, a handsome hunk, gets interested in her. Their collective efforts bear fruit and Anjali becomes stronger, although not yet ready for another relationship.

    Shyam's case comes up for hearing and Anjali, who is now completely over Shyam, ends up testifying against him. Shashi also recovers in the meantime and his testimony nails the case against Shyam who is locked away for good.

    By now a year has passed since Arshi's forced wedding. Anjali plans a re-wedding for Arshi on their anniversary as the family could not witness the earlier one. Payash and the rest the family join in and Anjali's doctor also chips in. All the wedding planning not only draw Arshi closer but also draw Anjali and the doc closer. On the day of their wedding, Arshi confront the next bomb shell - their intertwined past. That will be the start of the next major track.

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    1. I like this, Opti! Need to re-read ... but it covers a lot of ground beautifully! And I do feel that Khushi taking a bullet for Arnav or otherwise getting hurt, is almost essential now!

      Also I think a slight change ... Arnav won't leave ... as the audience will not stand another ArHi separation after this long one! So he will stay but withdraw himself completely from Khushi. And Khushi will MU his silence, be heartbroken yet again and go to her maayka.

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    2. Dia, that is fine too. He may not leave but he may not visit her at the hospital nor will he answer her calls. Khushi could then misunderstand his absence and silence to reflect his mistrust in her and may go to her maayka after getting discharged.


      The only problem with this approach is if he continues to live in RM, his family will witness the change in his attitude. If he is away in a so-called 'business visit' at least his family will not witness and wonder about his detached behaviour and that too soon after his kidnap and Khushi's near death experience. I would prefer that Arnav and Khushi keep their turmoil between themselves. They can always show him going through his private hell wherever he is holed up. This separation need not be a long one but should be an emotionally intense one.


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    3. Opti,

      Agree with you about Khushi thinking he would only think even lower about her. B

      ut I have a doubt. Will the shaatir ASR make a comeback at that Shyam Khushi Arnav scene itself and wil lSHyam realize just how futile his plans have been from both Khushi and Arnav POV or maybe a little later in a purely SHyam Arnav confrontation when Khushi is hurt. Latter I think.

      I am ok with Arnav being in RM and his family noticing his pain - Anji Nani and Payal now need to see how much Arnav loves her like they have already seen Khushi yearn for him. Alternaively if he has to leave, maybe he can follow Khushi to maayka saying he wants to be there to look after her. I would like this because somewhere this will crystallize the shaitan vs raajkumaar debate to a conclusion in Khushi's mind. She will see him being loving and yet she will feel a khalish (he will be the guy across the jaali but not the guy in the hut).

      Make any sense?

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    4. opti, that is a beautiful story.. almost one year worth.. but i have a feeling that anjali will not know shams truth.. conversely, sham will come back.. he knows that arnav cannot say anthing in front of his di.. and will tell anjali about arnav's contract marriage as an explanation to arshi rift.. and somehow things will deteriorate again.

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    5. J,

      So Khushi on the verge of hospital release = time nearly up for 6 months.

      Shyam now knows Khushi played him and he told her once before "You do not want to side with me fine, but do not try to obstruct the way to my goal. If you do then I will destroy your life"

      And what better way to do it than to break open the story of the contract while knowing she loves Arnav and maybe relaizing that he too no longer hates her.

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    6. Jaya, she may not know immediately but I want her to accidentally come to know, especially the bit about how he was responsible for Chottey's kidnap and Khushi's hurt(if she gets shot) for I want Shyam out of the scene for some time. Moreover I don't think they will bring the baby into this world (this PH cannot handle kids). So she would most likely lose her baby and what better reason to lose it than the truth about her husband. I want Anjali to always remain positive. So far they have maintained that quality in her. Already she has had numerous experiences where she has questioned Shyam's actions. So I don't think she will trust him over Arnav and Khushi. We have had more than four months of MU. I want at least two solid months of unimpeded time for Arshi to grow in their love. Anjali's depression would just concretise the love these two already feel for each other. The strength of one's love is tested the most when one has to deal with the pain of a loved one. Anjali means the world to both Arnav and Khushi and in helping her, their love will become stronger. We can have the villian back after this period of love building .

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    7. Oh God I have so much to catch up here .. each and every view have been excellent .. but two thing common one Khushi needs to hurt and ASR's shaatir Dimaag working ..
      and ofcourse the RTR ...

      @Opti,

      Amazing story .. wish it goes this way .. most of it what all of us here wanting it..
      what I loved in you take is "
      Arnav's absence leaves Khushi heartbroken. She presumes that he believed Shyam's version of the truth and has misunderstood her again, the reason why he did not come to see her. She knows he loves and cares for her but his lack of trust makes her wonder what is the use of their relationship." and I always wanted TRUST be the reason for Khushi backtrack from Arnav. Now I can understand why they need this MU .. fits perfectly for the RTR..

      And yes Arnav does not need to go out RM and the ASR we know would not leave till Khushi is alright completely .. he may not be with her will be around her, watching her if she is alright, hence RM people have to know the change in Arnav.. and as J said Shyam will come back with breaking new of their marriage. will by then Anji know about Shyam is still a big question..
      and yes Sandy Khushi release = near end time for the contract !!
      @Dia beautiful update and thoughts.
      Rekhs, Su, Krishna,Sama,Monu I am read your takes girls each a different angle ..
      Monu- I need ASR back !

      Ok some general info regarding the show. Have cousin who works as channel head for 9xm but has friends in SP
      According to him IPKND is their fav show. The story/tracks are almost written a month or half ahead.. So unless emergency the cast have to inform the unit at least one month in advance.. Most of the time in absence of main leads, main story theme does not change.. They are stretched with current cast.
      But the actual shoot is mostly is done almost 4-5 days prior to airing.
      Actors taking part in other shows do so, on their off days or with accumulation of the days off if they have. SI is an awesome down to earth person and fun to be with.

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    8. Opti,

      For love building, it is even possible that Aakash is upset with Payal and sends her out of RM for having hidden the truth from him and again ArHi oin hands to bring them together thus coming together again in the process.

      I am not too keen on seeing Anji lose her baby yet. Actually I do not want her to lose the baby ever. She can have them and then for sakekeeping they are sent away to someplace secret to protect them from SHyam (if PH cannot handle babies)

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    9. aaru, if ipk is their fav show, they would not show promos only 5 times per day... have you seen how DABH or SNS get promos screened every 15 minutes? do you think it is chance??

      (or do they actually have to pay the channel to air the promos? in that case i guess i can accept that the PH might not spend the money on promos :D )

      one thing i totally forgot when i said that sham will expose the contract marriage... sham does not know it is a contract marriage! (on holi she told him the marriage was forced.. said nothing about contract!)

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    10. Don't know J, just had a small talk with him regarding this. so may be the PH has to pay the channel to air their promos.

      Jaya
      when the 6 months is near over Shyam has to know about the contract.. he knows it was forced marriage and with K back at GH he would trick khushi or Arnav , letting contract out !!

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    11. Sandy,

      This PH cannot handle babies, the reason they conveniently got rid of the baby (which was the fulcrum of the story) in their previous venture when most of us wanted them to show the hero bond with the heroine's baby. I don't want Anjali sent away to protect her and the baby from Shyam. Anjali is central to the story.



      While I don't want Anjali to lose the baby, I don't like the idea of Shyam having another handle to wedge his way back as the father of that child. That is why I would prefer a miscarriage. I wouldn't mind him digging Arshi's past to get back at Arshi but can't stand him using an innocent child.

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    12. Opti,

      I dont want Anjali sent away either. What I mean was stage a miscarriage fro Shyam's benefit so he cannot harm the babies or use them as leverage.

      But ok despicable as it may be Shyam using the babies as leverage puts him beyon redemption. Anji may eventually forgive him as a sister and a wife but she will never be able to forgive him as a mother. Besdies given the amount of nanhi khushi we have been doing since the ArHi terrace confrontation, I hope they dont go the miscarriage way.

      In the past it has always been a Payash rift that has brought ArHi closer while it is when they step away from each other that Anji brings them back together

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  3. @ Sandy, Rekha,

    In reply to Rekha's view in the Friday post.
    Very nicely written.
    Now it is clear to me why you want a confrontation.
    You feel ASR did not believe Khushi when she said Shyam was the fiancé.
    For me, this is one place where I don’t question ASR’s dimag.
    Maybe I have too much faith in ASR, but I don’t need even a word out of his mouth to know that he has accepted it.
    For me, he does not doubt that point.
    He knows Shyam is capable of it.

    When he tells her she is cooking up stories, he is not referring to the fiancé bit, he means the part where she says she hates Shyam.

    I feel this very strongly because in the fbs he has back at RM( HP gets blasted scene), he does not remember the fiancé dialogue.
    I think he does not give another thought about it because he knows he can expect worse from Shyam. That is why he does not even bother to investigate that. He knows Payal and others can give proof for this and maybe he even remembers she mentioned Shyam back then.
    He has accepted it.

    What he does not understand is that the terrace scene happened much much later.
    Long after the engagement broke.
    Why did Khushi continue with Shyam after her family broke off the engagement?

    (I don’t think he thought of the whole family as gold diggers ever. He knows the family wouldn’t have reacted to the marrriage this way if they were after his money. That is why the ‘acchi parvarish’ dialogue there. )

    It did not matter to him how they got introduced or who initiated the affair.
    What matters is that she was urging Shyam to leave his wife so she can be legally married to him. Maybe she was even telling him she will not continue with the affair unless he took that final step.

    And she had been playing the two of them all the while, keeping open her options.

    I had always thought that the MU will come out in two bits.
    1. He tells her he knows about her and Shyam and she regrets not being the one to tell him first and silently suffers her punishment for keeping secrets from him. Maybe someone mentions the engagement in front of them and it still does not make any difference to him.

    2. She realizes only later that he suspected her of continuing with Shyam.

    I thought they will drag on with this scenario for another month.
    Imagine my surprise when the K spilled all the beans in one scene.
    Trust her not to leave things half said.
    My respect for the CVs grew by leaps and bounds that day. They jumped two steps at one go there.

    Maybe, that is why it was so easy for me to accept that ASR believed her when she said Shyam was the fiancé. I was expecting this. And the absence of any doubt in the fbs confirmed my belief.
    But I agree, they should come up with something concrete to tell us about ASR’s thoughts.
    Of course, they are delaying it for the suspense element.

    Sandy,
    the face-off, if it is just between Shyam and ASR, it is welcome any time.
    I just don’t want a family drama right now.

    I still stand by Mona, he doesn’t need it now to know that she is innocent.

    Is there anyone else out there who thinks ASR does not doubt the fiance bit?

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    1. Su,

      I think the same as u on fiance - maybe didnt convey it well enough.

      ASR believed her when she said Shyam was her fiance. His delta now is if she hates him, broke her engagement to him then why ask him to break his marriage with Di? What is her reason to say that? And the answe to this lies in the true nature of SHyam - he is not only a guy who strayed but a guy who has stalked Khushi and planned to entrap her without a secind thought. And this Shyam is dangerous and ASR now needs to know thw ghinona Shyam in additiona to the ghin aanewaal Shyam.

      I thought he said she was cooking up stories with regards to Shyam having entrapped her. Maybe he did not totally believe that "Taali ek haath se nahi bajhti"

      The faceoff will be Shyam Khushi Arnav no family like you said or rather just NK and Mami if it comes to that.

      He already knows she is innocent (and did not lead him on as he initially believed). He is just trying to reconcile why she said what she said if she hates Shyam.

      You know the MU coming out in 2 bits would have been a possible scenario if not for the wasted 2 months of OTT and then BS needing to go on leave.

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    2. Su, i was the one who dint think bitwa remembers that sham is her ex... and yes, now that you state it so clearly and i saw the scene again, i am sure the engagement-fiance-PG thing is clear to him.

      however, as you said, the fact that the night terrace scene happened much later underscores the fact that MAYBE she was still stringing sham along.. hence he did not believe her when she said she kept it quiet for Di's sake.

      but now,after reflections a la sandy, he admits tht he is in love with her, regardless of her feelings.

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    3. clarifying.. not feelings..( he FBed that she trusts him.. ) her past intentions.

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    4. Oops!sorry, Sandy, Rekha
      Thanx Jaya.

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  4. Dia,

    'Why should she not tell Mami? Sandy had a reason ...'
    Friday's post was going up and down so many times, I think I missed this bit.

    I felt Khushi will not tell mami because she never wanted to expose Shyam to any one in the family.
    NK got to know by accident, she couldn't shirk him off.
    Khushi will want ASR to handle the 'Shyam information' since he will want to protect di.
    If too many people come to know it will not be a secret any more.
    This is her Achille's heel.
    (Hey, I read Achille's heel somewhere on thursday, was it this? Sorry, I was totally off then.
    Sandy?

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    1. Ah yes, I was trying to remember that when I was writing the post.
      Also, now that Khushi knows that Arnav knows about Shyam's infidelity, she has in effect passed the responsibility of telling his family, back to him. If he has known about it all these days and kept quiet, then she probably would feel she doesn't have the right to say anything about Shyam either.

      But the problem is, he kept quiet only about Shyam's infidelity. Keeping quiet about his being a criminal is another matter. However much Di might be hurt about knowing that Shyam is lusting after Khushi, but that's a choice between Khushi and Shyam, where Di might vacillate as to whom to believe. And will probably believe Shyam.

      But Arnav vs Shyam - not even a question. Anjali will choose Arnav's safety without a second thought - Shyam jaaye bhaad mein! And will be able to stand the shock of Shyam's infidelity much better than the shock of Arnav being hurt ...

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    2. Dia,

      I guess he will again try to tell Di (like on wedding night) but seeing Khushi and Arnav hurt sends Anji into such a tizzy that Arnav does not want to risk her baby's life by telling her.

      See the first time Khushi knew of Shyam and forced to keep quiet we said ok she is being concerned. What was not right was knowing how he had stalked her and still kept quiet. Now that night Arnav knew of Shyam's betrayal and was forced to keep quiet. Ab agar he has a chance to reveal and again has to choose silence when he knows hwo dangerous the man is he too will have to repent to Anjali about hiding it from her just like Khushi is repenting now for hiding it from him.

      Make sense?

      As for telling Mami, Mami is a proof driven person. She did not take Khushi's words you think she will swallow Shyam's ugly natyure just by hearing it from bumbling NK. I think not. She will need visual proof. (That bubbli getting caught scene is always there when I think of this). So Mami reaches a point where she suspects something fishy and thaty perhaps Khushi is not telling her everything. She corners Khushi only to have Khushi tell her how NK found out and there will be a video that NK will be able to show her as proof so that Mami will believe. And then ust like she told Bubbli we will not tell anyone, the trio will decide to keep quiet to prevent Arnav from being harmed. Plus Khushi could talk of Di's helath too.

      make sense?

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    3. "Ab agar he has a chance to reveal and again has to choose silence when he knows hwo dangerous the man is he too will have to repent to Anjali about hiding it from her just like Khushi is repenting now for hiding it from him. " which is why i think that arnav will try to move his di to a safe location away from sham.

      it was so easy to tell mami.. khushi had arnav's passport in sham's bag.. what more proof does she need to prove sham's involvement? but yes, the promo seemed to indicate that videogiri is in the works..

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    4. J,

      "which is why i think that arnav will try to move his di to a safe location away from sham"

      You mean he will move her to safety when she finally comes to know of Shyam truth. makes sense because if babuji is the one who breaks it to her then toh everyone will realize that shyam is not above killing Anji as it has always been about the money for him and keeping them together is no longer an option.

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  5. Su,

    I too agree with you on the fact that Arnav does not doubt on the fiance bit because when she was telling him about how Shyam entered their lives there was this look on his face which clearly indicated he was connecting the earlier incidents. In fact at the start of the MU track I had written a long post in IF on how Arnav would have already made the connection to her fiance and would think that she still held feelings for Shyam going by some of the lines she had uttered at the time (like asking his Di how she knew that it was love with Shyam - the rangoli scene; hiding the fact that she was engaged till he accidentally found out about it; telling him how her fiance is far better than he could ever be etc). Anyway they froze his brain and made him wake up only when Khushi told him about the fiance story. The part he could not digest was the fact that she seemed to still care for Shyam going by that terrace scene. When he demanded an answer as to why she kept quiet, she had said it was for his Di and that directly contradicted with her egging Shyam to leave his wife. That is when he completely snapped. Her actions seemed to swing from one end of the spectrum to the other, leaving him confused as to how she really felt for him. The airport scene was the turning point in his thinking. He knew then that irrespective of how she had felt for Shyam before (she may have loved him) she well and truly cared for him and that showed in her various actions which he recollected on his way back in. The decider was the Heer Ranjha scene where he had told her that he did not care about what was right or wrong in their love. What mattered was that he loved her. He was willing to give her another chance to love him as much as he loved her but was taken away by the kidnappers instead.


    In my opinion, at present he still does not know the enormity of his mistake. He only knows that they love each other now and that is enough for him. He still does not know that she never loved Shyam and has always had his Di's best interest in her mind. Whatever she did, she did it for him and his Di. Now that is what will strike him hard in the impending confrontation with Shyam and the possible hit Khushi may take to save him.


    Opti

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    1. Opti, well said! I agree that he still doesn't know the full picture, especially regarding her feelings. And I want him to know ... long demanded SHIDDAT .. that she said yes to Shyam on Diwali ... after their almost kiss. Then only will he get an inkling of how much he has hurt her, and to what extent he pushed her towards Shyam himself, because of his own emotional weakness.

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    2. Opti,


      Beautiful post. And I loved this bit ...

      "In my opinion, at present he still does not know the enormity of his mistake. He only knows that they love each other now and that is enough for him. He still does not know that she never loved Shyam and has always had his Di's best interest in her mind. Whatever she did, she did it for him and his Di. Now that is what will strike him hard in the impending confrontation with Shyam and the possible hit Khushi may take to save him."

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    3. opti, you elaborated with points that i had not even thought of.. but i agree.

      dia, to get that bit of news, right now a great many planets have to align.. i dont think that diwali/engagement raazi/ bandagement/stolen ringagement will be connected by anybody else.. only arnav and khushi know the exact sequence of events!

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    4. Dia...ODB knowing his reaction to diwali almost kiss led ODG to say yes to marry Shyam...*SHIDDAT*...
      now or sometime later...anytime....

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  6. EXCELLENT, Opti.

    'In my opinion, at present he still does not know the enormity of his mistake. He only knows that they love each other now and that is enough for him.'

    Exactly what I feel too.
    This is why I don't fear a new MU.
    The old MU still has not cleared.

    Though I am still doubtful if he needs a confrontation to know it.
    The undying romantic in me wants him to find this on his own.

    I don't want even the shadow of Shyam in the purity and pain of that moment.

    Let him take his time. But bitwa, do it on your own, please....

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    1. Su,

      For teh undying romantic in you, there will be another moment in the fture when Arnav's pain and Khushi's love will be the only things in the moment!

      "Jab do pyaar karnewaale milte hain
      Toh nazrein bolti hain
      Zubaan nahin.."

      In the near future faceoff Arnav will only realize that Khushi not ust hates Shyam but has always hated Shyam. How he has been responsible is what he will piece together one painful bit at a time with each bit piercing his heart so that the ASR in him will frever die where Khushi is concerned.

      Plus you need him to rise up from the ashes again but this time to fight for the wrongs against his heart and his soul - for both Di and Khushi

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    2. 'In my opinion, at present he still does not know the enormity of his mistake. He only knows that they love each other now and that is enough for him.'

      i love your take on this, Su.

      his heart knows, it, in this weakened state, he has accepted it.. but if he knows the enormity of his mistake, will he withdraw into his shell and decide that he does not deserve her love? naheeee i want arnav-khushi romance scenes!! i'm almost tired of all this angst!

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    3. Thanx, Sandy, Jaya.
      @ Jaya
      "In my opinion...."- that line is opti's. It conveys my feelings in a beautiful manner

      "ASR in him will forever die where Khushi is concerned" is Sandy's line (since we seem to have a comm problem regarding 'who said what' rofl)

      This means U and I can never complain about ASR MIA when it comes to Khushi.
      I was just thinking about this today.
      Does this mean we will never hear that endearing KKG or KKGSR ever again?
      Sigh...I guess we have to give it up for the romance.

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    4. Lovely post Opti, have read and re-read it a few times now. I agree with almost everything you have said and if it plays out like you have written it will be a treat to watch. However, I beg to differ on arnav believing himself to be unworthy of her love.
      By rejecting her do many times and MUing her on numerous occasion he has already hurt tremendously. If he withdraws and goes back in his shell even if it for repentance all the pain that khushi has taken so far will be undone....
      She has taken a lot of pain to help him come out of his ASR shell and although I agree this time if he goes back into his shell it will due to repentance but still it would mean rejection, hurt, loneliness, angst and tryst for khushi all over again.
      Khushi has taken more than her share of pain and rather than seeing arnav repent I would prefer that he fulfills his vow to her of being a good husband (referring to the night after Khushi Garima convo) i think arnav should rather vow to ensure she is always happy. The only way K can be happy is when she gets his TLC.
      I agree with jaya here, I'm tired of seeing pain, angst and hurt for both A and K. I want see them and more so K happy. She deserves to be happy she deserves to be treated like the queen of his life, she deserves his care and attention....
      I think self pity, self harm, self hurt is a sign of weakness and I would like to think that A has the strength to face her, look her in the eye and accept he made some huge mistakes, made some very rash decisions but from now on he will not give a reason to complain....

      If arnav withdraws himself in repentance no doubt he will be hurting but do will khushi. They can't take each other pain so will be able take the pain he will inflict on khushi by withdrawing yet again?
      UJ

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    5. UJ - you know what i want - if ever IDB goes down this road - i don't deserve you, you deserve better kinds - i so want her to say - "will yes, but you see i get to decide that, i get to decide if i want you or not - basically its my choice - and fortunately or unfortunately - you are it!!"

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    6. UJ, Agree with you Arnav withdrawing into his shell will hurt Khushi but they have clearly hinted about how Arnav hurts himself when he realises he has either hurt the ones he loves or is unable to prevent their hurt. This has to come into play at some point. Throw in the ingredients for another MU which is brewing now, I think we may be headed towards a situation where it is Khushi who may misunderstand Arnav if he withdraws into the shell. Arnav will not knowingly hurt Khushi but when he is in his own private hell will he even realise what his withdrawal will do to her? Even if this plays out I don't think this will last for long because of what may happen to Anjali or maybe Khushi herself may recollect what she has been told about Arnav's behaviour and rush to prevent him from hurting himself and her in the process.



      Arnav will surely fulfill every of his wife and give her the honour, respect and love she so deserves. That may come after this process of cleansing and healing he goes through and Khushi will help him pull through it.


      I may be completely be wrong in this and Arshi may come out of this unscathed. Lets see.

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    7. Opti...loved ur post on how story could move... me too not ready for YAMU from any side...Arhi separation before they even meet... as Jaya and UJ said....want some Arhi romance now...
      but i am all in for it if it will help them realize how their absence effect/hurt the other(they must have realized it by now)...khushi recollecting nani's words and pulling him out of the shell is something i would like to see if this withdrawal happen....

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    8. Opti,

      Brilliant!!

      UJ,

      This came up earlier around the wedding and I recall saying that his withdrawal will not be weakness or self hurt. This is the man who because he could not return La's feelings felt it right in breaking her heart for though she would hurt for a shor while, in the long while she would be happier.

      Similaly, yes he understands that Khushi feels for him and hurt to be away from him but he may think that in the long run she is better off without him. ANd for him to give up Khushi for Khushi's happiness would be something. At this point I like how Mona put it, where Khushi goes stupid LG, even after all this dont u realize that despite all u have done I cud never hate u and as far as I am concerned u ar it!

      Plus chances are his private hell will happen when Khushi is recovering from getting hurt and her MU will be more about why she can never see Arnav but she will keep sensing his presence and so she knows he keeps coming but then she will wonder "why does he never come before her - is it because of what happened?" - Oh recall GH scene "aap humse kyun chup rahe hain? But like Opti said this will be pretty short

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    9. Sandy, the way he reacted with La was right because he knew La loved him but he could not reciprocate however when it comes to khushi he knows that they both love each other. And is the difference IMO between hurting La in the short term so that she can be happy in the longer run. However, knowing that khushi loves him, has been hurt time and again due to him, being hurt enough has found enough live in her heart for him to come looking for him without thinking about the risks to own self should be enough to make him understand that he can't and shouldn't hurt her anymore in short term or not I think.
      I can see where sandy, opti and others are coming from wrt the new MU but IMO it was ASR who broke the engagement with La but it's arnav who needs to emerge for khushi and arnav cannot knowingly hurt her....
      Even if it goes the way Opti , sandy and others have mentioned i.e. khushi will MU arnav's silence I would like khushi to recollect it pretty quickly that he tends to punish himself and then have mona's dialogue..... Khushi saying 'it's up to me to make a decision about the Mr Right for me and I have made my decision... I love you not for what you have done but inspire of everything you have done.... '
      Whatever the CVs choose to do I certainly hope the next MU does not last near as long as the first one.
      UJ

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    10. UJ,

      I hear you. All I wanted to say was as he did right by La when he realized so will he want to do right (what he thinks) with Khushi.

      He knows she trusted him (to do right) and he let her down badly. Her pain makes him suffer twice the pain yes but he may (mistakenly) think that the only way to ease her pain is to let her go (he may choose to exploit the 6 month clause he put in in some manner) (she still hasn't told him why she came looking for him. also he knows she wonders how the same person can be shaitaan and raajkumar but he does not know about her 'naadaani' self realization)

      And the nani pearl of wisdom of Khushi will be precisely that, she knows he loves her yet avoids her. He also told her that he cannot see her hurt. Khushi will put it all together (like u said)

      And then I hope it will be the post GH resignation letter scene - Khushi telling Arnav that dspite (bawaajood) all he has done, she can never hate him "kaash hum aapse nafrat kar paate"

      The next MU cannot last long because of all that has happened plus the time for the marriage term of 6 months almost ending.

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  7. Sandy,
    “Khushi is working with NK and they would have anticpated Shyam to not believe her to start with. So she is prepared.”

    This is why I said Shyam is cheating at chess. He has made two moves.
    She can see one move.
    And she is prepared.

    She will sign to get his trust. ( Did I dream this? I was a little distracted towards the end of the show. Was there a precap which shows her signing and Shyam sitting next to her? I am really under a spell…rofl.. If we know this, why are we discussing fake Roy? I am very conphussed.)

    OK. So she has seen one move and played it well.
    She went to sign the paper instead of going after ASR.
    Will she even see the other move???
    Will she see that Shyam will expect her to tell him about ASR’s call?
    If she sees the move only she can play, right?
    If she does not see it she will fail.
    Shyam is not going to ask her, “btw, any news from bitwa?”

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    1. Yep, agree that Khushi is prepared that Shyam will not believe her so easily and probably is even prepared that he will test her. So she should weigh each new development as a potential test from Shyam ...

      And yes, she signed in front of Shyam and 'Roy' in the precap ... that's why I'm sure it's fake Roy.

      Su, even if she thinks Shyam expects her to tell him about the call, why should the 'badla' Khushi do so? For that the 'badla' Khushi also has to trust Shyam to help her ... and 'badla' Khushi told Shyam that she hated him still. So Shyam has to bring up the topic himself, and then I think she will very grudgingly tell him about it ... but keeping intact that layer of 'I still hate you, but I'm prepared to work with you on this one'.

      I think the promo should not play out as they actually showed, with tearful Khushi begging for his help ... but with a strong determined 'badla' Khushi prepared to join hands with her enemy ... because her enemy's enemy is her friend ... for now.

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    2. I am waiting for Mon epi on the why she should tell Shyam bit

      Or maybe the way for her to pass that test is by actually not telling Shyam that Arnav had called. I mean she wants to have revenge and get all his property. Roy tells her she can sign doccuments in Arnav's absence. Maybe Shyam wil ltell her getting a POA to Arnav's properties will help her transfer it all in her name just like she wanted.

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    3. 'I think the promo should not play out as they actually showed, with tearful Khushi begging for his help ... but with a strong determined 'badla' Khushi prepared to join hands with her enemy ... because her enemy's enemy is her friend ... for now.'


      Dia, this is the same point I wanted to ask.
      What made her change from the strong determined position to the tearful one?

      Is it because she did not see the test and wants co-operation at any cost?
      Even then does not make sense for her to go begging.
      Sandy is right. I am not breaking my head over this.

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  8. I'm adding Jaya's comment from the previous post on Arnav's fb's as he was leaving here, as it's relevant to the above discussion, as to whether Arnav believes in Khushi or not.

    Jaya said -
    'I saw the three videos you posted.. in sequence.. and you know what arnav's fbs at the aitport screamed at me?
    khushi TRUSTS arnav..
    the dance.. she leaned on him.. trust..
    the diyas.. she put her hand in his, and did not look at the flames. trust
    the hospital.. the only one she trusts to lean on
    the payal.. complete faith in him
    the diwali lights.. silent, yet strong trust
    holi.. complete, innocent trust
    bed.. unconscious trust!

    the questiion.. why does it trouble me so, to go away from her? because he now knows that this girl HAS put her trust in him.. the rest of the reasons do not matter suddenly.'

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    1. J,

      Take a BOW! Awesome!

      Dia,
      Thanks, I so wanted to read what she said given the way her post started.

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    2. J,

      "..knows that this girl HAS put her trust in him..."

      And he betrayed that trust in more ways than one. he married her forcibly and then to prove her innocence she willingly walked into a death trap just so she could show him how much he means to her.

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    3. thanks Dia, for posting this here.

      and some more.. (as an answer to sandy)
      "the rest of the reasons do not matter suddenly." and he turns back, because he does not need her to prove anything, he does not need a witness to prove her innocence. then if he gets time to think, (cue kidnapped and tied to chair) he is sure to realize, as you said. that means he realizes his love for her.. just like khushi realized her love for him, in that beautiful scene in her room.. and no, he has not realized her true innocence..but still, like you said, he wants to tell her that he loves her.. before something bad happens and he might never be able to say it.

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    4. Jaya,
      Awesome!
      You have picked another pearl, another beautiful definition for Arhi's love- TRUST.

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    5. Jaya,

      I just read ur post.....beautiful......
      I have always believed that it is not in the words it is in the deed. That deed of belief!!

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    6. Jaya read ur post it's excellent! Dia thanks for re-posting.
      Trust takes a long time to be built, hard to maintain and once broken can't be mended.... Khushi trusts him completely, blindly and now that Arnav has realised that I hope he can reciprocate it....
      UJ

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    7. Jaya...its beautiful..."Khushi TRUST Arnav"...
      Thanks Dia for posting it here....

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    8. Jaya .... Beautiful ! :D

      At last the word TRUST acknowledged! Hopefully :)

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  9. Wow. Thanks Dia for reposting Jaya's take on the airport FBs. Yes, now seen in this light, it definitely underlines Arnav's knowledge of Khushi's trust in him. There is no way they can show him questioning that trust. If they show him having doubts about her motive based on Shyam's lies, they would have killed their own story. Trust works both ways. Arnav needs to show us, the viewers, (if not his Khushi) just how much he really trusts his girl now.


    Opti

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    1. Opti,

      Maybe Arnav wil start to show Khushi how much he trusts her only to be interrupted by the "minor" inconvenience of her getting hurt thereby postponing the inevitable.

      I loved what you wrote about what could happen from here on and I am hoping the next 2 weeks play out in a manner similar to the initial bit that you had written above in Part 1.

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  10. Dia,

    The edited post was very well done. And you thoughts - baap re I don't know what I know now ;) :P

    But I am enjoying this. And that dream sequence well the first time he realized how she kept coming back into his life and in the many ways he had wringed her as a person. Is baar toh it should be even better with Holi, ILU, airport and give a nice build up to Arnav's next ambulance / guest house moment..?

    This time I want the verse
    "Tumse dil jo lagaaya
    Toh jahaan maine paaya
    Kabhi socha na tha yeh
    Milon door hoga saaya

    Kyun khuda toone mujhe aisa khwaab dikhaaya
    Jab haqeeqat main use todna tha

    Ek dooje se hue judaa
    Jab ek dooje ke liye ban

    Teri Meri Meri Teri Prem Kahaani Hai Mushkil
    Do Lafzon Main Yeh Bayaan Na Ho Paaye.."

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  11. Dia,

    About the 200 comments bit, saw on google it has something about the template being able to accomodate multiple pages as each page displays only 200 comments (even my RSS feed has the item count set to 200 as default). You want to see if you can get rid of the headache or we will make do as is?

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    1. Let's make do as is ... finding the comments among 200 is tough enough, if we have more on a page, we'll be lost! And everyone will have to reset their RSS feed. I'm online enough to make the new thread when required, so it's ok!

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  12. Wow ladies - you have covered everything from the past to the future and with such flair!! am impressed :)

    come on now, be honest - how many of you are authors??? how many books published?? how many write for serials???

    my points to some of the thoughts expressed above (in random order :)) :

    - Opti, really nice story line - but you know what, i am one of the incurable romantics who is never satisfied!! i mean - i want the story to kind of go in the direction you indicated (and i want ASR back)- but if we can predict it - i don't want it, i want the CVs to surprise us - deliver way way better than any thing we can think of - crazy ain't I :D

    - Dia - you said Anjali will choose ASR over her husband - Huumm! don't know - Going by her characterization so far: (and not that its all in the hands of the CVc - who can make her out to be the kingpin, the bad ass leader of the KNs etc etc)
    - she loves her brother, no doubt - but she believes in 'doing her duty' as a wife before anything else. - she almost worships the guy!
    - she has too many insecurities of her own - her disability, her earlier broken marriage (remember how she was effected when Payal's old story came out - its been a good 13-15 years and she is still affected!)and finally - her baby - that is a trump card for TF
    so basically am not so sure which side Anjali will go to if this were to come out now (if anji's characterization is not assassinated, that is)

    Dia - i 100% agree on "now that Khushi knows that Arnav knows about Shyam's infidelity, she has in effect passed the responsibility of telling his family, back to him. If he has known about it all these days and kept quiet, then she probably would feel she doesn't have the right to say anything about Shyam either."
    but this is now come to a stage where ODB's life is in danger and hence i really cant understand this logic is hiding things from the family - or at least the 'army'. Too SP like for my taste - In a normal story (forget real life here) - why would you not confide in the people you can trust to fight the person you cant to save the love of your life - who for all you know could be dying right now!

    ok enough bak bak - just one last shiddat

    Gargi - some back - all others come and go but Anita and Gargi have completely disappeared. See Gargi - we all want ASR back and are very very hopeful that the chopper ASR/the sangeet and menhdi ASR will be back soon - but what will be the fun if you are not there to tell us if he is 'looking the part' or not!! just wondering Mads was AWOL for a while and we now know the reason - Gargi are you missing for the same reason too??

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    1. Mona, if it was just about Shyam's infidelity, and a question of whom to trust, Shyam or Khushi, then Anjali would choose Shyam, and she might have a problem in deciding if Arnav chose Khushi.

      BUT ... BUT ... BUT ... if it was a question of her Chotey's life, then Shyam or anyone else, she would choose Arnav all the way. Regardless of her insecurities about her broken marriage, her handicap, everything ... at least, that's the feel I get from Anjali's character so far. If the cv's change that aspect, then it's a different matter, but I don't think she could ever stay with a man who could plot to kill her darling Chotey.

      Which is why I also feel that Shyam's truth will not emerge to Anjali till her baby is born, or till the 6 month contract is over ... or some other milestone. It will stay hidden from Anjali for now, as crazy as it may seem.

      As for Khushi not telling about Shyam, I agree , I think I said the same thing above ... she won't tell anyone (and she hasn't told NK) about Shyam's infidelity). But about the kidnapping, she told him, and I think she SHOULD tell Mami too ... whether she will or not, is a different matter. They are in this together, she HAS to tell them both ALL the details. And it would make the story stronger and more real if Mami is the next person to know ... she can continue to hide the truth as long as is required. I wish SP and the CV's would realise that!

      Adding SHIDDAT power ... GARGI!!!! ANITA!!!! COme back, please!!!
      Is Gargi's disappearance in any way related to the stronger legal details in the show? Just asking :)))

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  13. Mona, the broad story has been fairly predictable so far whether it was Shyam being the mysterious husband of Anjali or the forced marriage of Arshi or Shyam being the kidnapper of Arnav. What stood out was the way in which the predictable story line was executed. So I'd rather have a predictable story executed is a surprisingly brilliant way rather than have a surprising story which is executed poorly.

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    1. See that's why i wait for you guys to write first - that's what i meant - i meant - surprise us with the execution of the minor details! - like holi - expected some romance - what we got was poetry!

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  14. Mona, I loved the Holi scenes too. Poetry is the best word to describe it. In their earlier show, Geet there was a similar brilliant scene, 'Teri Deewani' where the heroine realises her love for the hero when she is relieved to see him in a dargah after thinking something bad has happened to him. The hero notices the love he has in his heart reflected in her eyes. That scene was spiritual and sublime.

    Here is the link if you haven't seen it before.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdS0mxzs5bg

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  15. New IF article on future track.

    http://www.india-forums.com/tellybuzz/buzzin-hot/12009-khushi-nk-duo-to-plan-against-shyam.htm

    Opti

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  16. Posted The Week That Was after ages ... guys, take a look. Condensed version of our discussions here :)



    http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3040378

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    1. oh! so finally my batli has lit - so that's why its TWTW!!! i thought you wrote under this alias!!
      *head palm head palm*!!

      BTW - i think by 8:00 pm tomorrow (or today :D) we shall be crossing the triple century mark - a first for the blog?

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    2. same reaction Mona....oh so thats what is TWTW...!!!!

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    3. Thanks Dia for the link and if possible keep us updated here of ur posts on IF(read the OS...really nice)...

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    4. Monu,

      We already hit 301 once - I think it was a Terrific Tuesday

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  17. God what happened when i was sleeping......itne posts ho gaye....
    But i want to share some thots that i went to bed with.....(kya karen aaj kal...this is a fairly common practice, thinking about ARHI )
    Maybe this has been said by many before in diff ways...But i want to say this in my way....so bear with me...I think it will be a long one
    1) Arnav believed the worst about Khushi in the Shyam-Khushi terrace scene becos although he had taken giant steps as a lover but he had not even learnt the first lesson on trust, perhaps the only thing that can nurture any bond of love
    2)Whatever might his reasons for marrying that day(we have many and all reasons are right....lover, brother etc), it was only when he lived as Khushi's husband, he learnt the many facets of Khushi.
    3)Opti, Sandy, J, UJ, Dia, Aaru and many others here have detailed analysis on the various K-A interactions as hubby-wife and each have only underscored one point for me. The growth of Arnav's understanding of Khushi, the person.....small steps for Arnav, giant leap for ASR. the merging of these two personalities....
    4)The airport scene has been dissected in great detail....Why?? becos it was preceded by Arnav's confrontation of his worst fears, the truth that he was fearful of confronting, of perhaps hearing that Khushi may love Shyam....
    5) Why was he scared of confronting this when he was gaining understanding of Khushi as a person in this months....IMO, accepting that Khushi is very different from what he had perceived her on the terrace is one thing.....but gaining courage to accept that she may not love him or that she had a perfect reason for behaving the way she did that day is quite another thing.
    6)Ideally, that day when he told her about his knowledge of her affair with Shyam and she told him that “if u think this, u derserve my silence”....that should have been a watershed moment for Arnav. It was but it was also followed by a "kis mitti ki bani” reflection on Khushi’s indifference. This, to be followed by that torrent of accusations from Arnav and Khushi’s responses.
    7) This triggered something in Arnav; he was not disbelieving of Khushi though it appeared like to everyone. This is the high point of the trust story…..THERE BUT YET NOT THERE…..So true of life too…..a skeptic can’t believe just becos he is confronted with a new reality. It takes time to sink, digest and accept becos a skeptic turns a believer only after a journey of discovery. Let it never be said that all the mistake is on Arnav’s end. Has not Khushi erred in keeping it all at her end. Lets grant Arnav a Eureka moment in understanding why Khushi did what she did……….
    8) Thus tommo or whenever he is confronted with a similar terrace scene, it will not be that a lover who does not understand Khushi on that day rather a lover who knows what his Khushi is not capable of ever doing…..Lets believe that Arnav has traversed the lonely rickety road of building irrevocable trust in all these days and months such that his heart/mind will not be battered by any accusations or lies anymore. THIS will not be a result of any shatir dimaag but purely a heart that has now KNOWN BETTER.

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    1. Wow, Rekha, that was beautifully put. Have nothing more to add. I thought the kis mitti ki bani reflection came before that you deserve my silence bit. Be that as it may,Arnav has come a long way and cannot now turn back. If they make him doubt her again, all this journey is of no use. I hope they have better sense than that. If at all there is a misunderstanding at this point it could be Khushi who may think that Arnav doubts her again, especially if he withdraws into himself after having learnt just how much he has wronged the only woman he loved/loves and will ever love.


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    2. Rekhs

      Beautifully take ! yes with all that ODB has come in recent month there is no way he can MU khushi now especially after the Airport, Hut and more so yesterday's phone convo where the only thing he wanted to do was to talk to khushi, see if she was alright and tell her that he is sorry not only for the hurting her at the hut but also with for the past where it was only way he could save his Di marriage ! Exactly as what he said during HR "jab jab bura kiya .. and the wajood one line .. . don’t remember exact words now , his sorry for the MUing her, not trusting her and breaking her dreams will be once his real RTR starts because that's when his guilt anguish will be so much that he wouldn't even be able to say sorry !

      @Opti agree with you the MU has to be from Khushi side this time, for Arnav to know the past was MU from his side and shyam being the reason for no more MU for Khushi for he will know that its all shyam trapping khushi into it .... and if khushi get hurt , then none other MU will be bigger than his khushi getting hurt because of him. So the like you said when Arnav withdraws, it has to be Khushi to have trust issues rather than Arnav , for him the trust would be unshakeable.

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    3. Opti,

      My thoughts are a reflection on the wonderful posts here, ....really...In fact i am reading one of urs right now....like Sandy's and many others' posts here, it gives me the hope that the vision i bought in to is not lost....

      Opti, u r very sharp, caught me on that..On the kis mitti ki bani......lemme rethink....i got one part wrong....

      Yes...she is stunned and does not respond when accused. Arnav is then hurt by her indifference and goes hammers tongs at her bringing on that....dialogue of "deserving silence" after his hearfelt "did u not think i deserved an explanation" plea....Only then later she goes on to put forth her part of the story only to be accused by a skeptic Arnav...

      Opti, it has been a subtle style of storytelling that has weaved the magic...Frankly, i have never been a great fan of love stories that have the guy-girl fighting due to an MU and then coming together on clearing of that MU...very cliched in my view for no can remember what they fought over or for tat matter why they came together...

      Honestly, IPk is diff for it has the mother of all MUs..and the beauty is that it is the MU clearance on which their love hinges and Am i gald about it?.It is the story of why Arnav chooses to believe in Khushi despite the MU....

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    4. Sorry..I meant to say the beauty of the IPK tale is that IT IS NOT on the MU clearance that their love hinges on....(contrary whatever is being touted...clear MU, let loe happen....IMO, love has already happened bcos of the trust)

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    5. Opti, i don't know if u agree with me on the following point
      The phase of Arnav that we saw immediately after they came back from GH and with khushi running after him to explain her side of the story was not an angry Arnav who did not believe. Rather he was an Arnav who was hurt at not being confided in by Khushi......a rutha hua Arnav .....remember his "tum kya samjhathi ho, tum jab chaho, cheesein badal sakthi ho", his anger at Khushi withdrawing from his life....BUT then the kidnapping happened and we were left what happened to his side of the story

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    6. Rekha...loved ur post...beautifully put...
      "THIS will not be a result of any shatir dimaag but purely a heart that has now KNOWN BETTER."

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    7. Rekha, I don't think that love has happened because of the trust. Arnav fell in love with Khushi even without complete trust. Falling in love just happens with or without trust but if it has to stay and grow, there needs to be that element called trust which is the foundation that will hold that love up no matter what storms it is being subjected to. Without that foundation, love is bound to fall like a pack of cards and the person who loves is bound to be hurt badly as Arnav learnt the hard way. The lack of trust in his lover turned him a bitter man who felt betrayed twice over because the man she was supposedly involved with was also his sister's husband. As you pointed out, living with her, he has begun to understand her better. I agree that their love does not hinge on MU clearance. He has accepted that he loves her inspite of her supposed betrayal and has exposed his heart to her because he now trusts in her love for him. Her past does not matter to him anymore. He may not have been her first love. He is willing to live with it but he wants to be her last love and knows in his heart that he is. Shyam can spew all his venom. He is not going to be swayed by it. All it will do is to make it clear that he has all along been her only love.


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    8. Rekha,

      Sheer poetry..If I could I would reach out to give you a real tight hug

      My favs:
      "when he lived as Khushi's husband

      gaining courage to accept that she may not love him or that she had a perfect reason for behaving the way she did that day

      Arnav has traversed the lonely rickety road of building irrevocable trust in all these days and months such that his heart/mind will not be battered by any accusations or lies anymore. THIS will not be a result of any shatir dimaag but purely a heart that has now KNOWN BETTER"

      And you recall where it all started - "Arnavji aapke kaam ke toh bas yeh sitaare hain, kyunki humaari tarah aapke amma babuji bhi ab sitaare ban gaye hain.

      Hum bhi ek sitaara ban jaayenge. Daine se tessra, sabse jyaada chamkne waala.."

      Khushi bequeathed (wasiyat) her stars of blessings and happiness to him.

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    9. Rekha,
      finally managed to read your post with the concentration it deserved ... beautifully put!!! And your conclusion

      'Thus tommo or whenever he is confronted with a similar terrace scene, it will not be that a lover who does not understand Khushi on that day rather a lover who knows what his Khushi is not capable of ever doing…..Lets believe that Arnav has traversed the lonely rickety road of building irrevocable trust in all these days and months such that his heart/mind will not be battered by any accusations or lies anymore. THIS will not be a result of any shatir dimaag but purely a heart that has now KNOWN BETTER.'

      When you look back over the entire GH track, that WAS what it was all about ... it could have been done far better without the OTT comedy which was such a put off, but each and every step showed Arnav more and more not just what Khushi was like, but where she came from ... he saw the bonds of the family that had adopted her, their unconditional love ... the affection and respect they gave him, their beliefs, their values, the respect for relationships ... all that also contributed to his understanding of Khushi, the person ... and the building of trust ... yes, even though his first reaction was 'how can you be raised by them and yet be a home breaker?' ... but I think the fact that he even asked that question showed that his heart already didn't believe it ... the questioning of that terrace scene started during those days.

      And like you said ... it doesn't take a second, or a moment, or even one single instance to build trust .. especially when it has been shattered ... it is a PROCESS ... and that process started and grew to completion in the GH.
      we discussed earlier too ... the day he finally told Khushi the truth was also the day he voiced his biggest fear - that she loved Shyam, she was having an affair with Shyam because obviously she loved the man ... and once she refuted that, he has never seen that terrace fb again. It was as though her refuting that laid his biggest fear to rest - his fear that she would say, "Yes, I love Shyam" - SHE DIDN'T SAY THAT ... she said instead that she hated Shyam ... bas, he didn't need anything more. Although he kept asking her for proof, his heart started gaining the upper hand from that point, in his heart he did believe her ... although his brain kept asking for the proof ...
      and the airport fb's, as Jaya so beautifully listed, were not just about the TRUST, they were also about putting together the PROOF that his dimaag kept demanding from his dil ... that every time she needed help, she reached for HIM, she trusted HIM ...

      And that's why if we have a replay of the terrace scene, I agree with Rekha, it will lead to a very different conclusion ... whatever she says to Shyam, Arnav will understand her reasons, and will play along with her ... even to the extent of pretending to believe her. And if that does lead to an MU, it will be very short-lived, just long enough to take down Shyam.

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    10. Rekha,
      Back from GH-’an Arnav who was hurt at not being confided in by Khushi......a rutha hua Arnav ‘:

      I beg you to re-consider, Rekha.

      That is expecting a bit too much from ASR.
      Here is a guy for whom it took months to accept he has fallen in love. All it took was that one moment on the terrace to shatter his life. And it took him several ‘baby steps’ to come back to the realization that he is in love with her no matter what.

      Yes, he was rutha hua and more than that hurt, when he said ‘mujhe batana zaroori nahi samjhi?’
      But when the explanation came, he couldn’t accept it.
      It clashed with his dimag.
      By the time he came back home, his dimag tried to work.
      He was still processing it, that’s why the dhaaga scene where he says “drama bandh kar sakti hain”
      What she said and the way she said it – still did not make him relent.
      He allowed her no communication and his last words to her as he left, “I know no one is coming. This is just another act”

      There is no rutha hua Arnav here..

      He still does not believe her. But he is willing to give her a chance. He wants to believe her.

      And from the airport to the kidnap chair, his dil worked more, saw all the times she had cared, saw that he was blind to her love which was always there.
      He has not seen the terrace fb for quite some time.
      So I can only say that I feel what happened in the past does not matter to him any more.

      He is willing to start anew.

      When he realizes what actually happened in the past, is when the RTR will happen.

      And I still don’t see another MU coming up.
      I hope the CVs have other tricks up their sleeves.

      And I hope Shyam knows he should stay out of ASR’s way for some time now.

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    11. Su,


      When i say rutha hua....i don't mean it in the sense of a someone having a lover's tiff....in fact, thats not possible in their circumstance, obviously.

      Since we do not here have the benefit of A's monologues...a viewer will obviously have a perception based on individual sensibility
      When I heard Arnav say" mujhe explanation dena zaroori nahin samjha", my sensibilities read it as an Arnav, who wonders why Khushi could not tell him what was on her mind especially since they have a shared history. To me, that was a fair question as fair as Khushi's response on Arnav meriting only silence if he thot her capable of stooping so low. Trust is always a two-way street as much as Expectation is

      Also.....it has already been established that what happened in the past does not matter to Arnav anymore....and we are all saying the same thing albeit in different ways.

      Some of us are saying that it does not matter anymore as his love has overpowered his hate
      Some of us are saying it does not matter anymore as he has learnt to trust in his love
      Some of us are saying that it does not matter anymore becos Khushi reposing trust in him has won him over...

      and the like....
      Finally its about our sensibilities....some of us may want Arnav to accept Khushi as she is,some want Arnav to use his faculties to glean that info that she is innocent and not wait for things to reveal, etc.....


      Like u said, all this will not take away from the RTR becos that another lonely road he will have to take....very soon

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    12. Rekha,

      maasha allah aaj toh ek ek alfaaz moti samaan hai

      Why not tell me Khushi? Why is it not important for you to tell me Khushi?

      He had asked her that even when he came to know of her engagement and then again when he came to know of it breaking..

      In a way asking her Why am I not as important to you as you ae to me?

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    13. Sandy,

      TU HI ZIMMEDAR HAIN IN ALFAAZO KE LIYE....

      Yeh socha, woh socho kiya aur hum sochne lag gaye..
      Ab bhugto...LOL

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    14. Rekha, Sandy,
      Both of you have written your points very beautifully after what I have written.

      Rekha, you wrote’
      ‘Finally its about our sensibilities....some of us may want Arnav to accept Khushi as she is,some want Arnav to use his faculties to glean that info that she is innocent and not wait for things to reveal, etc.....’
      I came back to write something like this.
      You beat me to it. Thank You for explaining too.
      Sandy, you wrote,

      ‘In a way asking her Why am I not as important to you as you are to me?’

      I remember you discussing this point before, thanks for reminding me.
      That thought still sounds so WONDERFUL!

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    15. Sandy ...
      'In a way asking her Why am I not as important to you as you are to me?'

      This has always been his problem, hasn't it? Why does she run away from him, why does she not want to talk to him ... when she first was leaving for Lucknow, when she kept trying to hide before that character dheela scene ... first it seemed to be only his ego, but in retrospect, he has been in love with her almost from the start, she got under his skin from the very first meeting and he could never get her out of his mind ...

      The accident when she banged her scooty with his car ... he got home and Akash said - lagta hai car se zyada Bhai ke dil par zyada dent laga hai ... as early as that, Khushi has been important to him ... the word 'love' came later ...

      And every time she acted as though he didn't matter, what he did to her didn't matter - be it after the Diwali almost kiss, be it her calm when she was arrnaging his engagement party, be it those 101 ways to irritate him, be it after he told her the reason for the marriage and she acted normal ... he could stand everything except her indifference ... he always wanted to know that he affected her as much as she affected him ...

      Because of that basic insecurity inside him that he was unloveable, that his mother left him, his father did whatever dark deeds .. or died, we don't know ...
      and the fact that she tried so hard to stop him, that she finally told him why 'farak padta hai', and now she came to find him without thought of the danger to herself ... all that has finally broken that wall he had built around him ... she broke it once, it came up again with that terrace scene, even stronger than before ... but now she has broken it again ...

      And he needs that reassurance that he is so important for her.

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  18. Just for fun:
    i heard this song today for the first time and burst out laughing - my family thought i was acting weird - how come i liked such a song? - but what they did not know was i was thinking of OBD&G and thinking what must have gone through 'her' mind when her 'all important rendezvous in the hut' did not yield the results she (they) was expecting!! - all she got was a kiss on the neck..

    here is what she must have been singing ;) -

    Aa aae...

    Humne samjha tha jise golden jublee jise
    Haaye samjha tha jise golden jublee jise
    Oh Woh tu matinee dekha kar ke chuma le gaya
    Jhalla mera aashiq jhalla wallah
    Mera balma jhalla wallah
    Mera jhalla wallah wallah aa aa..


    Kya batayein jisko sanam maan kar shab bhar mare
    Haye jis ko sanam maan kar shab bhar mare
    Woh kameena subah hote phurrr ho gaya
    Jis ko mohabbat ka teacher kehte rahe
    Woh phateecher ik lesson mein fail ho gaya


    Jhalla, mera aashiq Jhalla Wallah
    Mera balma jhalla wallah
    Mera jhalla wallah wallah aa aa..

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    1. "Jis ko mohabbat ka teacher kehte rahe
      Woh phateecher ik lesson mein fail ho gaya"

      ASR was all I could think about when I heard these lines first!!!!!! :D :D :D

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    2. Et tu, Brute!! - i laughed so hard when i realized what i was hearing and what i was imagining!!! total MIG alert!! :D :D :D

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    3. LOL!!! Mona...ODB-G best fit for this song.....

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    4. Ayesha ... ODB-G best fit in any ... you just pick one!! :D

      Title song of Ishaqzaade ... Udne laage .... when I heard it ... Ah beautiful song but still something amiss ... the moment SBS played it for HUT scene .... I was like PERFECT!!!! :D

      Mona MIG quotient is real low these days, even IF fails to cook any .... thanks for the correlation (!)..... we need ArHi in one frame ASAP

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    5. absolutely Sama!! Arhi automatically come to mind while listening any song....we all are actually HAA...

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    6. I know Sandy - have been listening to the song yesterday and just cant stop smiling ;)
      i think we shall reach the third century before evening today :D

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  19. What just happened here Deviyon!! When I left on a Fri night it was 52 comments ... Now its 263 this inclusive .... Aur woh bhi almost sare Sandy wale types .... Haire Nandkishore !! This will take time. Meanwhile...

    New pic on fb 4Lions:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=452369168114512&set=a.257731310911633.70771.110252432326189&type=1&theater

    teri meri will be a new one .... when I read mishti's my first reaction hew will be fb-ing old one .... lets see what message they convey now.

    khushi is wearing a mixture of white and blue & arnav white

    bluew - as opti described once ... arnav as ocean ... khushi will find him this time &for good .... or as it is Arnavs dream he will know the depth of khushis feeling

    last time it was yellow with white .... khushis Qs made Arnav see things through new light(discussed here not that cvs conveyed, if they did they failed general viewers like me ... I mean later after Holi) .... enlightenment on emotions which override all other feelings when they are with each other ... "aisa kyoun hota hai"

    I don't generally relate things so much but the 1st thing that came to my mind was Opti's description of Arnav.

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    1. hey Sama - do you have any other link - facebook is not accessible to me :(
      but - wt wt wt - another dance/play/hut scene - even before he is free - ok this time i will just not react!! (lets see how far i can stand that resolution!!)

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    2. http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3040424

      hope this is accessible .... its a dream sequence .... i guess as story has not yet reached the point where they can show us ArHi for at least another week ... hence the dream sequence from Arnav's POV .... we had one from Khushi's POV

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    3. thats not good...this drama dragged for another week...i m saying it again - although Sanaya as well as Abhaas are acting brilliantly and episodes fast moving(while watching the epi it looks like there is no need for anyone else) but still now one month over since airport goodbye and no bitwa story...missing our dear hero...

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    4. Sama,

      Sandy waala type - hey bhaggu

      Yaar yeh sab naa R&R ka asar hai. Plus less of spoliers means we are all focussed on story and less trying to fit in the spoilers into the tracks.

      Btw nice thot about blue = depth of Khushi's feelings for Arnav

      Arnav's POV will be nice - it will be a continuation from sirport till ILU I hope. (Btw why did he silently walk away? And did he see Shyam with Khushi as he walked away?)

      I think someone did think of that Alaipayuthe song I had posted. First dream of Arnav she wore yellow and green. Then she met him for real in red. Hut was white and then now it is white and blue.

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  20. A song dedication for Arhi....
    It's one of my personal favourite from the film Shor

    Ek pyaar ka nagma hai
    Maujo ki ravani hai
    Zindagi aur kuch bhi nahi
    Teri meri kahaani hai....

    Toofaan toe aana hai, aakar chale jaana hai
    Badal hai ye kuch pal ka, chaakar dhal jayega
    Parchayeeya rahe jati, rahe jati nishaniyain hai....

    UJ

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    1. UJ..good one....it is one of my favourites too...!!!

      SN - now a days with Arhi not together onscreen every song give Arhi feeling to me...keep imagining them together in every romantic song i listen...

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    2. Oh, this is a beautiful song! Evergreen romantic number :)

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    3. UJ,
      Lovely!!
      Its my husband's fav number.....we listen to it on many sundays....its a lilting melody....

      so apt for ARHI...*hugs*

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    4. UJ,

      Thats a nice song. As a kid I never liked it cos the only way to see it was on TV and I didn't care much for the actors - no offense guys!

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    5. UJ and Sandy,

      I must share this....as a kid, i used to get scared on listening to this song becos it has some tragic connotation....i think the heroine in the movie dies or something like that....u know how kids like everything to be hunky-dory
      Much later on, I came to know my hubby likes this song...phir bahut sunte the gaana...kind of grew on me....it was quid pro quo really, he had to listen to my fav songs and i had to listen to his.....

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  21. I haven't listened to songs in a couple of weeks now...been busy.....but now back to my fav activity...listening to songs and dreaming of ARHI....

    One for today....that i am humming....

    Aankhon mein humne aap ke sapne sajaye hain
    palkein uthaa ke aap ne jaadu jagaye hain
    Aankhon mein humne aap ke sapne sajaye hain

    sapna bhi aap hi hain, haqeeqat bhi aap hain
    bas aap aap aap hi mujhmein samaye hain

    Aankhon mein humne aap ke sapne sajaye hain

    Aankhon ka rang dhundha hain heere talaash kar
    Dil mein sajayenge yeh rag yun hi umr bhar
    Mushkil se zindagi ke,
    Mushkil se zindagi ke, rang haath aaye hain

    Dohraaye jaayenge na yeh lamhaat ab kabhi
    Sapnon mein hhi na chhootega yeh saath ab kabhi
    Milti hain zindagi jab aap muskuraaye hain

    Yeh dil kuch aise aap ke sajde mein jhuk gaya

    Nazre uthaayi aap ne toh waqt ruk gaya
    Thehare hue palon mein
    Thehare hue palon mein, zamane bitaaye hain

    Aankhon mein humne aap ke sapne sajaaye hain,
    bas aap aap aap hi mujhmein samaaye hain
    aankhon mein humne aap ke sapne sajaaye hain

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    1. Rekha...wow!!!
      "thehare hue palon mein zamane bitaye hain"....dreaming...
      running to download it now....

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    2. Rekha,

      nice words. Had not heard this one before.

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    3. Its from the movie "Thodi si bewafai" - Shabana & rajesh Khanna....the song has a dream like quality.....

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  22. Thanx Sama for the dream sequence.
    And nice take on the scene getting inspired by Opti.
    That’s what I love about this place.
    We all get inspired by someone here.

    On the dream,
    I hope this is not for Monday.
    I thought Monday would be day of the devil or day of the devil’s undoing.
    A dream sequence, even if it is bitwa’s introspection is not what I want today.
    In fact, I wish he’d stop dreaming and get out at the earliest.
    Want this drama to end by Friday , however interesting the chess game is.

    Dia, Once again, I really liked your title for Friday, Chakravyuh.
    It strikes a chord.
    This is not the first time Khushi has been trapped in a Chakravyuh.
    Remember who saved her?
    Yes, I am referring to the diwali diya scene. How I wish ASR’d come and get her out of this Chakravyuh.

    A new thought that came on re-watch.Please bear with me.The eye sees only what the mind wants.

    Mamiji asking in front of everyone about Khushi’s activities.
    Such a stark contrast from the day before when she shooed masala away before asking for the update.
    Did I detect a hint of suspicion there?
    And did mami actually get to attend that pooja wih her sprained ankle.
    Anyway, I felt she is in the ‘inbhestigation karega padi’ mode.

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