Tuesday 24th July
Quick Update ... Khushi is running away. For both reasons. Her marriage is temporary ... none of Arnav's recent loving talks have banished that certainty, he has not mentioned once that he wants this marriage for keeps. And for a man used to live in arrangements, the fact that he seems to want to take their relationship, temporary though it is, to another level, is not really surprising for a person like him ... but of course, unthinkable for her. Besides, Di is unhappy with her there, she realised it when Di spoke to her ... Di will be happier with her gone, and Arnav will be happy only when Di is happy ... and she ... she can't be happy if Arnav is not happy.
And the contract is not over yet, she is more susceptible to Arnav than she realised, as she has seen time and again ... including when he returns her phone to her ... he doesn't make it easier for her, with his new 'wanting to get up close and personal' avatar ... it's better for her to leave and keep him fooled till the contract gets over and she can legitimately refuse to return.
Two more tracks opening up ... Buaji and her rent problems ...
And Payash are not quite done yet, patched up on the surface, but the cracks are very much there ... Payal, being eternal self-sacrificing Bhartiya nari, and dumb with it, refuses a trip with husband, because MIL makes a jibe ... I would have thought that was the best reason to go! And Akash thinks Payal is thinking about Khushi and Buaji ...
Anjali is already happier with Khushi not being around ... moving out of her depressions to ask Akash to take care ...
The rest of the episode was about Khushi trying desperately to keep Buaji from knowing she has moved back here for good ... between nautanki, gol guppas, laddoos and a spot of mimicry , she manages to keep both the Raizadas and Buaji fooled. By Raizadas, read Nani, Payal and Arnav ... Anjali, Akash and Mami are not bothered.
Precap ... Arnav brings a doctor for Buaji ... when is he going to find out the truth?
*Edited*
Khushi ... running away ... from whom? All her life, from the tender age of eight, an orphan, taken into a loving family, but a family who never hesitated to remind her that she didn't actually belong ... trying all her life to belong, failing that, trying to be needed enough so that she would be indispensable, and hence would have a place ... but even all her Babuji's love and affection never quite gave her that confidence. Because his loving words on one side "khoon ke rishte se zyada dil ke rishte hote hain" ... and Buaji and Garima's taunts and hurting words on the other side ...
She was blamed for Payal's marriage break up, she did that because 'Payal was not her real sister,' .. she was forced to get engaged to Shyam because her Babuji's health seemed to depend on it, and if she didn't sublimate her own desires for her Babuji's sake, it was because she was an orphan and not really theirs ... every time she tried to do something for her family and it backfired, she was blamed because she wasn't their own, she didn't belong.
And when she thought she had found love, someone her own, she was forced into a hate marriage, which she had to agree to because her adopted sister's marriage was on the line ... again sublimating her own dreams, her own hopes and desires to save her sister's marriage ...
Then she dared to dream again ... yes, she understood why he had married her the way he did, he did it to save his sister's marriage, the same way that she agreed to it, to save her sister's ... she held no grudge against him for that once she knew his reason ... but she did feel hurt again that he didn't trust her enough to even ask her, to give her a chance ... to trust her ...
And then it seemed he did ... in front of the entire family, he trusted her word ... later that night, even after his sister was angry with him, he came back to her, held her, hugged her, stayed with her ... finally she dared to dream again ... finally she had found a place of her own, with the man she loved ...
And in less than a day, he overturned that hope again ... he shattered her dreams again ... he wished she had never come into his life, it was all her fault, his sister's unhappiness was all her fault ... and she was an orphan and homeless and alone all over again ...
So it would be better to leave ... always low, her self-esteem took another beating with this last assault ... yes, it was all her fault ... whatever she did, whatever she tried to do, with the best of intentions, it always went wrong ... even her attempt to console Di, to give her strength and courage misfired so badly that everyone blamed her all over again ... even he blamed her ... he, whom she finally had looked to for support ... all her life, she tried to be the support for others, for once she needed support, he gave it, and then snatched it away again almost instantly ...
He did feel bad very soon, he did wish he hadn't uttered the words ... but he never said he didn't mean them ... and he re-emphasized that their marriage was just a contract, and that her time was running out ...
From a home where she dreamed she would finally belong, to the knowledge that that home too was a mirage ... from a loving older sister-like nanad, to a woman who couldn't stand to see her around ... She was shunned after her marriage for no fault of her own, she worked to win back love and respect and acceptance from the entire family ... and now she stands alone again ... blamed by everyone for everything that went wrong ... except for Nani, who knows a good portion of the truth, but who is bound by ties of love and duty to stand on the side of the wronged daughter ..
She loves Arnav ... she knows he loves her too .. but for how long? For him, his sister has always been the most important person in his life ... and his sister does not want her around. If she stays, there will be an eternal conflict in his mind between sister and wife ... and if his sister is unhappy, he will never be happy.
She doesn't stop to think that if she is unhappy, he will never be happy either ... Khushi has no sense of self, she has no realisation of exactly how important she is for this man ... and he has never told her. For him, the social bond of marriage holds no importance ... she is his wife, he wants her as his wife, and if she stays with him, she will give in sooner or later, because she loves him deeply, hopelessly, irrevocably.
And the next time he gets angry, he will throw her out again ... and if Di is unhappy with her, he will get angry with her sooner or later, that's a certainty ... because she can't stop meddling, she can't stop trying to put things right when she sees them going wrong ... she will do the same again, things will go wrong again ... it's a vicious cycle which she needs to break ...
And the only way she can break it is by removing herself.
The problem is ... will Arnav let her?
Will Buaji understand her enough and let her?
If Gul Khan's vision was of a story about a brother and sister, and Khushi was supposed to be merely the love interest, then the PH did a big mistake by taking Sanaya as Khushi. Because she has made Khushi into the most complex character of them all ... more layered than even Arnav or Anjali ... instead of worrying about Arnav and Anjali's tragic past, I wonder more about Khushi's psyche, and I see the hurt, the pain, the loneliness of this orphan girl, always trying to belong, always trying to keep a smile on her face to show the world ... because she has no one to share her tears with. And she has understood very early on, the truth in the old saying ...
"Laugh and the world laughs with you ... weep and you weep alone."
Khushi doesn't want to be alone ... that is her biggest fear. And if it means that she laughs when her heart is breaking inside ... so be it.
Two posts I enjoyed reading today ...
Spice Girls Hangout Scroll down and read joenet's post :)
Director's cut Scroll down to the second post - redwine's analysis.
Quick Update ... Khushi is running away. For both reasons. Her marriage is temporary ... none of Arnav's recent loving talks have banished that certainty, he has not mentioned once that he wants this marriage for keeps. And for a man used to live in arrangements, the fact that he seems to want to take their relationship, temporary though it is, to another level, is not really surprising for a person like him ... but of course, unthinkable for her. Besides, Di is unhappy with her there, she realised it when Di spoke to her ... Di will be happier with her gone, and Arnav will be happy only when Di is happy ... and she ... she can't be happy if Arnav is not happy.
And the contract is not over yet, she is more susceptible to Arnav than she realised, as she has seen time and again ... including when he returns her phone to her ... he doesn't make it easier for her, with his new 'wanting to get up close and personal' avatar ... it's better for her to leave and keep him fooled till the contract gets over and she can legitimately refuse to return.
Two more tracks opening up ... Buaji and her rent problems ...
And Payash are not quite done yet, patched up on the surface, but the cracks are very much there ... Payal, being eternal self-sacrificing Bhartiya nari, and dumb with it, refuses a trip with husband, because MIL makes a jibe ... I would have thought that was the best reason to go! And Akash thinks Payal is thinking about Khushi and Buaji ...
Anjali is already happier with Khushi not being around ... moving out of her depressions to ask Akash to take care ...
The rest of the episode was about Khushi trying desperately to keep Buaji from knowing she has moved back here for good ... between nautanki, gol guppas, laddoos and a spot of mimicry , she manages to keep both the Raizadas and Buaji fooled. By Raizadas, read Nani, Payal and Arnav ... Anjali, Akash and Mami are not bothered.
Precap ... Arnav brings a doctor for Buaji ... when is he going to find out the truth?
*Edited*
Khushi ... running away ... from whom? All her life, from the tender age of eight, an orphan, taken into a loving family, but a family who never hesitated to remind her that she didn't actually belong ... trying all her life to belong, failing that, trying to be needed enough so that she would be indispensable, and hence would have a place ... but even all her Babuji's love and affection never quite gave her that confidence. Because his loving words on one side "khoon ke rishte se zyada dil ke rishte hote hain" ... and Buaji and Garima's taunts and hurting words on the other side ...
She was blamed for Payal's marriage break up, she did that because 'Payal was not her real sister,' .. she was forced to get engaged to Shyam because her Babuji's health seemed to depend on it, and if she didn't sublimate her own desires for her Babuji's sake, it was because she was an orphan and not really theirs ... every time she tried to do something for her family and it backfired, she was blamed because she wasn't their own, she didn't belong.
And when she thought she had found love, someone her own, she was forced into a hate marriage, which she had to agree to because her adopted sister's marriage was on the line ... again sublimating her own dreams, her own hopes and desires to save her sister's marriage ...
Then she dared to dream again ... yes, she understood why he had married her the way he did, he did it to save his sister's marriage, the same way that she agreed to it, to save her sister's ... she held no grudge against him for that once she knew his reason ... but she did feel hurt again that he didn't trust her enough to even ask her, to give her a chance ... to trust her ...
And then it seemed he did ... in front of the entire family, he trusted her word ... later that night, even after his sister was angry with him, he came back to her, held her, hugged her, stayed with her ... finally she dared to dream again ... finally she had found a place of her own, with the man she loved ...
And in less than a day, he overturned that hope again ... he shattered her dreams again ... he wished she had never come into his life, it was all her fault, his sister's unhappiness was all her fault ... and she was an orphan and homeless and alone all over again ...
So it would be better to leave ... always low, her self-esteem took another beating with this last assault ... yes, it was all her fault ... whatever she did, whatever she tried to do, with the best of intentions, it always went wrong ... even her attempt to console Di, to give her strength and courage misfired so badly that everyone blamed her all over again ... even he blamed her ... he, whom she finally had looked to for support ... all her life, she tried to be the support for others, for once she needed support, he gave it, and then snatched it away again almost instantly ...
He did feel bad very soon, he did wish he hadn't uttered the words ... but he never said he didn't mean them ... and he re-emphasized that their marriage was just a contract, and that her time was running out ...
From a home where she dreamed she would finally belong, to the knowledge that that home too was a mirage ... from a loving older sister-like nanad, to a woman who couldn't stand to see her around ... She was shunned after her marriage for no fault of her own, she worked to win back love and respect and acceptance from the entire family ... and now she stands alone again ... blamed by everyone for everything that went wrong ... except for Nani, who knows a good portion of the truth, but who is bound by ties of love and duty to stand on the side of the wronged daughter ..
She loves Arnav ... she knows he loves her too .. but for how long? For him, his sister has always been the most important person in his life ... and his sister does not want her around. If she stays, there will be an eternal conflict in his mind between sister and wife ... and if his sister is unhappy, he will never be happy.
She doesn't stop to think that if she is unhappy, he will never be happy either ... Khushi has no sense of self, she has no realisation of exactly how important she is for this man ... and he has never told her. For him, the social bond of marriage holds no importance ... she is his wife, he wants her as his wife, and if she stays with him, she will give in sooner or later, because she loves him deeply, hopelessly, irrevocably.
And the next time he gets angry, he will throw her out again ... and if Di is unhappy with her, he will get angry with her sooner or later, that's a certainty ... because she can't stop meddling, she can't stop trying to put things right when she sees them going wrong ... she will do the same again, things will go wrong again ... it's a vicious cycle which she needs to break ...
And the only way she can break it is by removing herself.
The problem is ... will Arnav let her?
Will Buaji understand her enough and let her?
If Gul Khan's vision was of a story about a brother and sister, and Khushi was supposed to be merely the love interest, then the PH did a big mistake by taking Sanaya as Khushi. Because she has made Khushi into the most complex character of them all ... more layered than even Arnav or Anjali ... instead of worrying about Arnav and Anjali's tragic past, I wonder more about Khushi's psyche, and I see the hurt, the pain, the loneliness of this orphan girl, always trying to belong, always trying to keep a smile on her face to show the world ... because she has no one to share her tears with. And she has understood very early on, the truth in the old saying ...
"Laugh and the world laughs with you ... weep and you weep alone."
Khushi doesn't want to be alone ... that is her biggest fear. And if it means that she laughs when her heart is breaking inside ... so be it.
Two posts I enjoyed reading today ...
Spice Girls Hangout Scroll down and read joenet's post :)
Director's cut Scroll down to the second post - redwine's analysis.
Wow Dia!! You were absolutely spot on!! Heheheh thanks to R&R we don't need the Khushi DM monologues :-)
ReplyDeletePoor thing lets go as soon as he says haq hain...
Gargi bitwa is soon going to take over snakewas gloathing abilities .... ROFL
DeleteGargi,
Deleteis that what happens, online mein that part was edited...after that mumbled "mujhpe"..did A register that part?
Absolutely registered;-)
Deleteok so is it Anji only the reason now for K to leave RM?? or its the contract??
ReplyDeleteBitwa this is just your start !! J/ust loved how you do not leave any opportunity to visit GH ok Buaji
you are in right direction bitwa you need to just see the reason...
and to add loved that biwi ka haaq... yep you need to reassure her...
Delete"wese bhi hanara rishta kuch dino ka hai"
Delete"Di humse khush nahi hain. Jab tak Di khush nahi hongi ArnavJi khush nahi rehpayenge aur yeh ....."
Both but contract holds the first ground. I like it that way.
Thank you cvs for a long monologue.
Boy GH is going to bite her. i felt really sad when she was having those FBs. Poor soul :(
thats what I wanted to know what holds first contract or Di and really happy that its contract!!
Deleteyep GH is going to bite her, but its going to be more for Bitwa too ..this time he has more romantic one to remember... all the almost incomplete kiss ..
btw how does she remember that she crossed arnav rekha or was it from the info she got from arnav "me raat bar so nahi paya" .... "hum toh ese hi sote hain"
Deleteor she did that on purpose, but i think its from what bitwa said in the morning that he couldn't sleep ..
Delete@Sama and aaru.. usually people who fidget around in sleep would know that from previous experiences of the ppl who have slept next to them..so obviously she would have known that from payal who has been sleeping next to her all her life.. and when arnav mentioned that he couldnt sleep too, she must have assumed its because of that.. and credit to the editors for making her imagination of what might have happened that night, to be actually what it WAS.. :P
DeleteSama,
DeleteFbs of Arnav rekha.
Will we get to see Khushi- Rekha?
Su
DeleteThere never was a Khushi rekha. FBS of Arnav rekha - ime for Arnav to erase that last barrier between them " wiasey bhi hum kuch hi dinon ke liye unki patni hain"
Sandy, Khushi rekha is now in place ... or trying desperately ... she backs away every time he comes too close, every time he talks about "meri Patni ... tumhare Pati" ... if she gives in now, with the contract time running out, she's a mistress, not a wife.
DeleteArnav rekha has been wiped out ... now time for him to wipe out Khushi rekha
Dia,
DeleteI thought about it and to me Khushi was never able to establish that Khushi rekha even back when he broke her heart at Diwali. She has always been trying desperately to build it but she never could.
To me Khushi rekha if any is what you wrote above - Khushi has no sense of self. That line made me think of hat scene where Arnav tells Khushi about the gift - This is for you, take it!
Sandy, Dia,
DeleteI liked the symbolism here. I did not have that in my mind. I was thinking in terms of like, if he comes to sleep over, will she put down a pillow in between the. If that happened, how'd Arnav react?
she wont Su...she didnt put a pillow even in RM..so why now
DeleteScene of the day -
ReplyDeleteK: "Aap NaniJi ko dijiye"
She knows very well she cannot fool him with voice. How on earth is she planning to pull off with BuaJi bimaar hain?!?! :O
Contract is yet not over.
When IPK got over I was traumatized with behnas ILU. All I will say is -
Gunpoint pe ILU nahi bola toh kya bola !!!
Sama....."Gunpoint pe ILU nahi bola toh kya bola !"*rofl*
Deletehamare liye ILU ke maine hi badal gaye hain....in fact, i don't think i can watch love scenes on telly anymore.....
i meant to write about the epi but Sam,tera post dekha aur apna point bhul gayee....(wl be back after some time)
hayyyeeeee ......humne kisike hosh uda diye!! *blush*
DeleteAap Bhi Na!!!!!
@Sama...OMG!! this is spooky..I was going to comment abt the behena's ILU too, today!! shit..I was traumatized too.. well, maanvi was phir bhi ok...but virat?! his dialogues were sooo good.. something that Arnav needs to say in this scenario abt khushi losing her bet..that "jeet meri nahi, humari hui hai" and then I imagined Barun with his husky voice saying this dialogue... and finisss! :P I had to switch off the TV to stop that trauma.. :P
Deleteafter today's epi I just have one question.. the same as you, Sama.. how the hell is she going to get away with this?! and when or how is she planning to tell buaji and her amma-nauji the truth?!
chalo, but the epi left me with a satisfying smile ... some tidbits -
1. Khushi denying to talk to arnav because she is sure that he will recognise her voice..
2. Arnav not leaving a single opportunity to go to GH and ask abt buaji's health
3. Arnav over hearing the call abt rent and khushi's 24,000.
4. Payash sensible.. Akash still hurt, but atleast understands that payal needs to stay behind for khushi and buaji.. although, yet again, he hasn't let her finish the entire sentence and jumped to conclusions! Good thing is, mami saw that she sacrificed her hubby time for family time.. and will (hopefully) cut her some slack!
5. last and final - khushi is her chirpy self again..and I don't think its a mask.. yes, she is hiding her sorrow, the present worries from buaji..but going at buaji's is definitely the mood lifter for her..and why not! Its her home..the only place where she has ever felt like home, anyway.. RM was uptil arnav's return nothing short of hell for her.. and just as she was abt to call that her home, he brought in the contract .. :( sooo glad she is finally getting a breath of fresh air..
and I agree with aaru, RM, especially their bedroom is going to bite arnav now.. he is going to remember the good AND the bad times.. atleast for khushi is the good, so she can smile and forget.. for arnav its worse.. its going to kill him.. and the sadist in me is going to love it!! :P *muhahahaha*
Time to move on to Hi10 !! :D :D :D
Deleteyup!!! :D :D
DeleteMads, Sam,
Deletewhat is this trauma in Behna that u guys are talking about ?
Kya hua?
Madsie mein mobile pe hoon, can't post links. Please post the YT link.
DeleteAkele akele kyon traumatized hona eh!! *evil grin*
Misery loves company he? Sam, naughty girl.....
DeleteI can't watch that Virat in any case....the only time i had any sympathy for him was when i happened to watch one epi where the poor guy had a crew cut and was court-martialed for that....some drama there, i thot, i am better off with ASR....anyday
Misery loves company *sigh*
DeleteI guess so much discussion on Anjali Di ke unki athmaa havi ho rahi hai humari soch par.
Oh the haircut drama .... I saw it in promo. "kya sochenge log hamare khandaan ke bare mein?" that to just for a trim.
I was like Aiyyo .... Mera pura khandaan sometimes including dad group trim karlata hai or like my bro bald bhi hojata hai in summer. Pata nahi logo ne kya kya socha hoga about my khandaan!!
Sama,,
DeleteGunpoint pe ILU nahin bola toh kya bola! *rofl* bey!!!
I didn't even watch a minute of the Behna show after IPK today, but this sentence of yours had me rofling at my pc screen!!! Can just imagine that beefy Virat and hyper Maanvi doing an ILU!!!
Sama - tumharay chakkar main i saw the the behna serial - boy such bad acting!!! or am i just biased - they are no Arhi for sure:D:D
DeletePs. am jealous - their clothes and furnishings are better!!
Their clothes are for sure sooooo much better:-( ya the show is quite unbearable but the damn why can't IPK headhunt their stylist ... Bah
DeleteAll of you,
DeleteDid our shiddats get misguided?
Those behna idiots had a RAIN HUG!
Su, even a rain hug wont help that show!!i cannot tolerate those actors!! pata nahi uske trps itne acche kaise hote hain!! crazy crazy!!
DeleteSama, i actually came to work and watched that ILU bit on YT and uummm...what were they thinking!!awful acting!!and that Manvi female is soo hyper!
Anita their TRP is from last few weeks just 0.1 above ours. Maybe good clothing only adds up to that much.
DeleteAs for TRP look at our negatives. No follow up on kidnapping track or shyaam revelation track just like post marriage there was no follow up on 6 months contract marriage not even now.
They do not word it so it does not count that the actors are doing justice. We ArHians can read even the micro change in expressions of SaRun. We are so tuned. General viewers won't. Hence highest TRP's only with positive romance. There they just have to enjoy 22 mins of pure beauty. No Qs as they do not get answered ... well not soon enough or in a way that can be striking or rather effective. Khushis convo with DM folding Arnavs saree would have been very effective if it was part of ME done with bag in hand. People would not have been frustrated by her behaviour and switched channel no matter how twisted they make Anjali.
What I meant by word is ... Khushis has twice said to DM about "kuch dino ka rishta". Why not break it down to 6 months contract and its consequences. Mana it was not part of your plan but you had put it in show now so bring up things that justifies your play. Same goes for the kidnapping track.
And baby bump ka kya kehna. I was watching Saas bina Sasural few days back. Badi Bhabi is pregnant and there are little things family is doing for her. It looks so real. Only for the present of a displaced but yet very much a baby bump.
Here we are dealing with psych of an mentally unstable lady who forcefully wanted to abort her non-existent baby(bump).
Sorry to all for making you go through such hyper ILU. Not really though *evil grin*
Sama,
DeleteDid not get this.
6 months contract not part of the Cv's plan. Read it here b4 too on SP interference. Do we have evidence?
Su watch 16th February episode again. They din't have a scene where they mouthed 6 months contract. It was dubbed later. Not even SaRun's voice.
DeleteIf it wasn't a 6 months contract khushi's one track mind to irritate the hell out of ASR would have made much more sense(!) &also Arnav's guilt of not being able to be a good husband.
i see what u mean Sama...the writers of the show miss the little things..not only in terms of tracks but even in making things look real! thats where we lose audiences..a little bit of attention to detail will go a long way!!
DeleteBaki kisi ne nahi poocha...but atleast Arnav Bitwa ne to poocha Akash bitwa se..."is everything is fine between you and Payal and he sweetly added why could ask earlier"...hai ne NaandKishore!! yehi aada hai jiski wajah se hum fida hai Arnavji per...
ReplyDelete~ Iniya
Iniya I had a ulti ganga behrahi hai feeling ....it should have been Akash saying sorry I couldn't ask you about 15 days that you were away and your ordeal.
DeleteWell as I said cvs want to forget they had to factorize KN and wants us too. Stupid much :P
Righto Sama...the RM waasis should have asked Arnav abt those 15 days. And you say CVs want to factorize the whole KN thing...
DeleteKam se kam jab Arnav ne puucha Akash if everything is fine, Akash bitwa bhi thoda magnanimity dikha sakta tha and ask kare ke chahi na...hmmm shows ki RM waasis kitne self centered hai.
Iss liye humko Arnavji acche lagte hai, kyuki woh apne style mein puch lete hai bhale der se...
~Iniya
i know Sama!! as i said above..how hard can it be to add one dialogue somewhere of Akash or some other family member asking Arnav if he is ok..what exactly happened, was he ill-treated!! but no!! they r too busy cribbing over precious Di!
Deletei think they dont realise these things matter!! i have heard people say ke 'kya yaar, kaisa parivaar hai, uske paise chahiye, luxuries chahiye, but they dont wanna know how he is!!' limit!!
Anita true ... leech sab ke sab... shyaam toh hadse age badhe ga hi! Damn kya din agaye hain. We are all defending shyaam at some point ... blah
Delete"
Deleteleech sab ke sab
"
ROFL....soooo true!!
LG vote mangne aaye the.....Arnav will have a heart-to-heart with Buaji soon?
ReplyDeleteThe money angle...which Arnav has heard, what are the pointers for future track?
First time ocean (Arnav) was mentioned in IPK, if i remember correctly...any significance??
Why is Akash going away....i hope it is woven into the plot and hope its not any absence that is the cause...some boiling to happen at Bombay- A Shyam-Akash meeting place and Akash gets some ammu from Shyam against Khushi which builds on his current distrust of her.....just wondering...
I felt the epi made many openings..
Thanx, Rekha.
DeleteMe too had the same questions, no answeres.
Money angle- again '3 months' there.
Experts?
Rekha sea/ocean a vast water body full of deep hidden secrets. It evokes unknown emotions, strange attraction and at times unreasonable violence. You could at the promenade at stare at the sea for hours... A calm sea invoking immense feelings of love and a violent sea bringing to front an unreasonable anger.
DeleteKhushi has traversed the depth of the ocean fearlessly to gind her arnavji but Arnav needs to do the same. He needs to travel deep within himself, explore the depth of his own feelings, travel to his past to understand his present. There are a lot of emotions he has hidden within himself it's time fir him to embark on this journey to explore his own unknown side, confront his fears.... It's time for him to dig deep within the deep, dark mysterious sea (self) to understand how his actions in the past have come back to bite him. Arnav needs to self merge to Infinite to gain the assurance that he needs from khushi, to make khushi his own. The tidal waves of the sea needs to fully open their arms and engulf their love i.e Arnav needs to fully open his heart and arms and let khushi in... Hum aapki bahoin mein samana nahi chahate....
Interestingly freud considered the sea and it's incoming tide to be symbols of sexual union so can we assume that 'meeting kumars in 3 months'.... *MIG*
UJ,
DeleteOcean is indeed Arnav whose depths and tides have been witnessed by a butterfly who loves fluttering about. Bu her plans to fly free with hr husband crash landed because of cisrcumstances. The ocean till date has always hidden his secrets and shown a calm exterior. Perhaps time has come for the waves to rise and expose his depths. For the tides to rise and hit the shores. For the ocan to try and reach out to the sky, be vapourized in the heat and fall back o earth as gentle rain. And the ocean would have finally become a part of the sky that he butterfly inhabits. And the butterfly is drnched in the love..
Akash has always seen a calm brother who has been protective and forgiving. Akash does not have much business accument either. Perhaps he goofs the Mumbai deal and there is a showdown betwee the brothers leading Akash to see the truth. Maybe Khushi or Payal comes up and the silent ocean lashes out to show the dangers a lil butterfly has borne for the family's happiness.Akash also needs to "see" the ocean of giving and care that is Khushi.
Mami speaking of plane crash made me think if there is a crach of teh flight, family is distraugt. Khushi blames Arnav for trying to separate Akash and Payal because she came to her maika and Arnav settles that doubt in her mind once and for all by assuring Payal, proving his sincerity about sanctity if marriage vows to Khushi.
Almost like a recap of the Akash suicide scene except Khushi was the planner there, here it maybe Arnav. Ever since Arnav said Del n the staircase, I was thinking of this bcos Arnav had called the marriage a deal when he had tld Akash he will secure his happiness.
Mami will surely go beserk and I would love for Anjali to mention buri mazar or smething and for Arnav to size up Mami and tell Di what rubbish are you speaking. She wil not like it. She will take it as him siding with his wife and her sister.
Beautifully written, UJ and Sandy :)))
DeleteI also want Anjali to start again hinting more openly about how Khushi is responsible for everything that happened, maybe add how happy she and the family are now that the buri nazar seems to have left their house ... and start opening Arnav's eyes to the real picture ... that Di is not happy with Khushi, and that is why Khushi has left. Till now he thinks Di is perfectly happy with Khushi, and with the fact that he has found love ... so he will not understand why Khushi left.
Dia,
DeleteIn yday's scene I thot Arnav lookd pensive. He also told Khushi when she was sleeping that things would slowly get back to normal. He is gauging Anjali's reaction to what he told her. For all practical purposs she seems to have beome the person she was. But yes Khushi is missing in the equation. I want to see Anjali's reaction when Khushi comes back into the equation.
Rekha,
DeleteTotally different take on Sea:
Just back from re- watch.
Ocean = Arnav as we all know.
Mami telling Akash bitwa to keep away from Arnav. Phati saree has hypnotised him, so stay away from him. Don't support him when the time comes.
Team Shyam: Anjali, Mami, Akash.
Did anyone read DB's new interview WU.
ReplyDeleteFrom viewers response highlight of her interview seems to be -
"Sanaya and Pashmeen din't let me stay alone when my husband was out of town"
ROFL
damn it Sama, I wasn't going to comment on this one!!!! :P no, the highlight of the interview for me was that she said she stayed with Pashmeen?? :O :O I was shocked at that statement.. Sanaya is phir bhi ok, since she is not married yet.. but Pashmeen is a married woman yaar.. they both might be good natured enough to offer her their company to stay, but if I were her, I would have refused to stay with Pashmeen.
DeleteAnyway, we don't really know the equation these guys share so its actually very very rude to comment like this ... and I am trying my best to be kind towards DB, but its not working somehow! :S
mads, nahin rey, that's perfectly okay ... when I was alone with my husband out of town, my best friend and her husband used to be after my life to come stay with them, and not stay alone at home :))) The couples must be good friends ... that's the way it works :)))
Deletethat's what I thought too.. :P :) which is why I refrained from commenting more, I have already been too harsh with her .. :P
DeleteMadsie ... its not that she stayed with them ... married or unmarried ... that's fine.
DeleteThe thing that bothered me was .... her profile as an actress is so low. She does not hold interest of IPK fans (let alone ArHians), not much. Readers were more intrigued with the fact that Pashmeen (Sanaya toh jaan hai lets not talk about that) asked her to stay with her, she must have good relation with IPK casts. I mean even a leads wife, who is always out of the picture holds more interest than the supposed "parallel/one of main" lead of the show. And the mature lot of IPK din't even bother to discuss the interview I guess. :D :D
And 4Lions cannot keep THIS actress at check. I don't know how things work but it bothers me at times when I see DB.
Aaaah what has life come to. When will I stop reading each and every little thing related to IPK.
Aawwww Madsie ... A Low5 on this one &Hugs :D :D
DeleteLets get DB back to the non-existent compartment ;)
So one thing is clear now - ODB left coz of DI - the contract was the secondary reason - she said "waisay bhi to.." so basically the main reason was, she understood what Di wanted and as an added point - the wedding too (waisay bhi..) is only for a bit
ReplyDeleteTo my mind - ODB did not believe in marriage but still 'married' ODG in a mandir - he totally thinks that that the marriage was complete and she is his legally wedded wife - his only problem (of his own creation of course) the 6 month clause - And he thinks the clause is now no more a point as both ODB &G now accept each other as a couple for life (lives)
ODG i don't think does not believe in the sanctity of her marriage - she does not take the sindoor or the MG lightly, he is her lawfully wedded husband alright - its again the stupid clause causing the problem - once ODB makes it clear to her that the clause is as flimsy as their MU and he means marriage for life - all will be ok
For this reason I for one don't want a full fledged second wedding - quiet pheras and or sindoor in front of DM works fine - i don't want ODG to face any more humiliation anymore and if the 6 month thing comes out, it will demean her wedding as it is now - everyone will question her for having lived as his wife till now - yes it was ODB's fault but why should she be embarrassed at all - so just for her 'tasali' she could get a renewal of vows sort of thing (or lets say - first time vows)
Akash and Payal - All i can say - they deserve each other - Payal is a self sacrificing fool who cant complete her sentences in front of her husband - and Akash is just an idiot (only reason for this statement - he thinks KKG was wrong - don't like him anymore)
This KKG distrust is very vital for the next part of what Akash does in Mumbai.....him bumping into Shyam etc...(i am guessing)
Deleteincidentally i have a feeling that Akash will also keep things from Payal becos this involves Khushi....
at some point, akash will really understand what caused Payal to keep it to herself...this time around, he will be one breaking the clause....
I get the feeling that Shyam will reveal the one aspect that he knows about the Arnav-Khushi & connection with Akash-Payal marriage. Lets see how Akash takes that bit of news, i think it should put him in direct conflict of some sort with arnav, don't u think that? that info has maximum meaning to Akash apart from R and GH folks..It can also make him understand K in a diff light.....not sure how that fits in tho......
just rambling....
hummm that could play out - mamaji the sane voice is out of the picture, mami has turned back to her horrid self, Anji is already doubting KKG and now Akash - their team is complete
DeleteMona, I want a second wedding (not one with big fanfare but one which involves taking of vows between these two). To me the first one did not count as a wedding because inspite of taking place in a temple and Arnav putting on the sindhoor and mangalsutra, it was nothing but a sham wedding. It will also let ODB off the hook very easily if ODG thinks that by simply saying he accepts her and she accepts him, all the wrong is righted. I hope the CVs do focus on this aspect of their 'marriage'. It has received a flippant treatment so far. Since they showed how much importance Khushi attaches to the institution of marriage I hope they show her throwing it back at his face saying that what they had was just a contract and not a marriage, explaining to him the difference between the two. That should get ODB thinking and making up for all the wrong he did that night but making fresh promises under the stars (the watchful eyes of their parents).
DeleteOpti
Mona,
DeleteHuggs bey! Loved what you said about ODB's thots on marriage and ODG holding back.
Opti,
Yes the vows are teh only rasam that are yet to be completed, everything else got done between Payash wedding, post ArHi wedding and the recent birthday endeavour.
ANd yes even I have wanted it to be a small one. You know what will be really hayyyee, he gives her the mannat ki chhabi to have and hold - the key to his heart, his happiness, his life. And she gives him a Payal of hers to have and hold "apne seene se lagaake rakhne ke liye". And in a metaphoric completion of the saptapadhi, he bends down and puts on one payal on her foot.
If you recall the period when she had the chhabi and he had that one paayal was the most special in the initial days of their relationship.
Dia,
You ahd asked me about B&B and I jst remembered, that day Arnav giving that rose to Khushi is like the moment in B&B when the rose began to wilt. It is then the Beats finds love. And his love his completed only when the last petal is about to fall.
Rekha,
That rent call made me think back to the last time they were at GH is when Khushi gave up the dabba service. At that time, the first show of IPK showed that Payash celebrated 1 month of their marriage. And around there is when SHyam came up between ArHi. SO KKGSR dabba service stopped. SO no money from Khushi for past 3 months and no rent paid. So they have now been married 4 months?
Btw Arnav is going to pay this off like the last time and Khushi is going to object saying he has no right to do that or she will say I wil lreturn it to you. But I think Arnav is going to give her one more haq - on his money.
Payal well will come to know of the how Khushi was forced on account of he and this time to keep her bharosa will tell Akash the same and perhaps also mention how Arnav was responsible for the 1st marriage breaking. He may or may not believe her but Arnav can do away all doubts. And then Akash bitwa will have a menthos of how Khushi does everything for a reason and Khushi is going to be magnamimous about it and say "anyone can make mistakes".
Then the only thing left for Arnav to know would be that Shyam was the man who saved Khushi in Lucknow. Buaji tells him?
Sudden thought:
DeleteIs the seven vows of marriage going to be completed by Arnav with voicing each haq that Khushi has over him? And at its end she affirms that she had accepted him as her husband the day he tied the MS and spplied sindoor on her forehead?
Haq hai tumhaare (there was a pause)
1. mujhpe
Will wait and see.
Mona, Sandy, yes I agree, even I want a small private wedding, maybe with Buaji, Garima-Babuji and Payal and maybe Nani present ... and let them know the truth of the forced marriage, it was done mainly for these four. Mona, loved the way you put it ... true, it will be an insult to Khushi if it's a big wedding, as though she has been living in sin with Arnav all these days ... but he does need to reaffirm those vows for real.
DeleteAnd if Payal gets to know, the next time Akash says something about Khushi, she lets rip at him again about the truth of their wedding ... and if he asks her why she didn't tell him, let her tell him ... I didn't know , but can you ask your brother why he didn't tell you??!!!
Sandy, your last post ... so does he pay Buaji's rent, and this time tell her that is her Haq ... her right on his money? No more deals?
so in a sense the second wedding is not a wedding - its a renewal of vows
DeleteSee ODG is really married - even in her head - otherwise why was she reaching out to ODB after the KN? - she held his hand, she sat next to him on the stairs - and as Dia rightly says - she was now finally home, finally belonged - And had ODB not mentioned the contract - she would not have even thought of leaving him. Funny coz he mentioned it only to stop her - silly boy.
Also he did not believe in marriage, agreed - but could it be that he believes in the institution i mean in the 'commitment' and hence never wanted to marry La - coz she was not the love of his life? And he now knows KKG is his life, his wife - all he has to do is SAY IT IN WORDS!!
Sandy - loved your take on 7 vows = 7 haqs
DeleteBTW what are the 7 vows in hindu marriages?
Dia,
DeleteIf Arnav voices the ways in which Khushi has haq over him, it will eventually have to lead to them dissolving the contract between them. SO yeah Khushi realizes that the marriage was as real to Arnav as it was to her and the deal was just an excuse he hid behind like his feinting in HR last scene.
Khushi first landed in his arms and her earliest gesture to him has been holding onto his collar or shirt. So their haq on each other.
So just wondering..
Arnav paying Buaji's rent if he does will be only about Khushi and the Guptas. Plus he was the reason Khushi's father lost his sweet shop in Lucknow is it not? But somewhere in me, I want him to tell Khushi he will pay it and she refuses and he encourages her to do something she is good at and pay it off herself and till then consider his help as a loan. Letting her know she has a right over his wealth but yet not forcing her to use it.
Mona,
I got this from Wiki for the Saat phere
1. In the first round or phera, the couple prays to God for plenty of nourishing and pure food. They pray to God to let them walk together so that they will get food.
2. In the second round, the couple prays to God for a healthy and prosperous life. They ask for the physical, spiritual and mental health from God.
3. In the third Phera the couple prays to God for wealth. They ask God for the strength for both of them so that they can share the happiness and pain together. Also, they pray so that they can walk together to get wealth.
And following the 7 pheras you take the 7 steps / Saptapadi as husband and wife (again quoting Wiki)
In North Indian weddings, the bride and the groom say the following words after completing the seven steps:
"We have taken the Seven Steps. You have become mine forever. Yes, we have become partners. I have become yours. Hereafter, I cannot live without you. Do not live without me. Let us share the joys. We are word and meaning, united. You are thought and I am sound. May the night be honey-sweet for us. May the morning be honey-sweet for us. May the earth be honey-sweet for us. May the heavens be honey-sweet for us. May the plants be honey-sweet for us. May the sun be all honey for us. May the cows yield us honey-sweet milk. As the heavens are stable, as the earth is stable, as the mountains are stable, as the whole universe is stable, so may our union be permanently settled
4. In the fourth round the couple prays to God for the increase in love and respect for each other and their respective families.
5. The bride and groom together pray for the beautiful, heroic and noble children from God in the fifth step.
6. In the sixth holy round around the fire, the couple asks for the peaceful long life with each other.
7. In the final seventh round the couple prays to god for companionship, togetherness, loyalty and understanding between themselves. They ask God to make them friends and give the maturity to carry out the friendship for lifetime. The husband says to his new wife that now they have become friends after the Seven Vows/Sat Phere and they will not break their friendship in life.
Now read it and tell me I am not totally lost when I think
Step 1 - Arnav telling her you must larn to walk with me and she smiling and agreeing
Step 2 - they doing pooja at GH
Step 3 - In progress, they realize each other's pain and happiness and there is a wealth issue to be resolved.
Mona sorry some issues in the comment above. Some stuff got moved around by mistake.
DeleteDia,
When Khushi had that one fall which Arnav could not catch Arnav had 7 FBs correct at teh end of which you said he realized her to be HIS WIFE.
On the path for Khushi to reach that realization now with all that Arnav is doing?
Sandy,
DeleteI see!
' Is the seven vows of marriage going to be completed by Arnav with voicing each haq that Khushi has over him? And at its end she affirms that she had accepted him as her husband the day he tied the MS and spplied sindoor on her forehead?'
Renewal of vows- I am for it!
3 vows over- really nice.
4 months of marriage over- what I've always felt. He did say 2 months somewhere.
Mona,
I don't doubt for a second that ODG does not accept this marriage. She is not really bothered about the contract. She is only worried that she was in some way responsible for di's unhappiness: a fact which she cannot change.
She, in this sanak form, might try to make him believe that the contract is the reason(Even that I am not sure will happen. B'coz deep down she knows he will never let her go.So technically she should know that even if she brings it up, he'll say. "Oh! That's your problem, come we'll burn the contract and get married!" She might bring up the contract to develop her deception, may be in a frustrated moment. I'd love to see his reaction to that! He'll most probably tell her the same thing she told him, "Really, after all that happened, you are still talking about the contract?")
If KHUSHI wants it in words, let him say it in words, NOT BECAUSE we want it.
She has always maintained, "Aise main sawal woh poochte hain, jise pyar kya hai iski hawa tak nahi" and "hum aapko sun sakte hain- hameshaa se". If that Khushi has changed, yes, Mr. ASR, please put it down in words for her.
Mona,
Delete1st line: big correction:
"ODG ACCEPTS this marriage"- like you said.
Oh and if the CVs want it to drag on: When K brings up the contract, ASR sets out to prove his love for her... Only in the end he will find out that was not the real reason. This could really happen.
DeleteOK, now when I go back on the seven vows, maybe it will not happen in one track, it might get spread out.
DeleteI wonder how they will show the 5th round. After Anji has a baby?
Su,
DeleteThis all leads to someplace by end fo next week. Just when Raksha Bandhan comes up.
Plus I think time has come for all the kyun farak padhtha hai and kya farka padhta hai to get closure. I hope there is a scene like in HR finale - with a humeshaa tag on their relationship.
It has to be a renewal of vows (with Mona on this) for these 2 because they are right now already nibhaoing their duties as husband and wife. She looks out for him and his family. He looks out for her and he family. Shyam and Anjali also do renewal of vows only na at Teej as they showed last year?
So it is all about them coming together in the true sense of the marriage, accepting each other as life partners. A big wedding now to me makes no sense like all you girls keep saying because the mood at RM is far from ok and it is not going to right itself so soon plus Khushi ke khaamakhaa khilli udegi. Rather let them have a grand reception with naach gaana when these 2 celebrate their 1st wedding anniversary.
I am also wondering whether GH comes to know of contract or only that Khushi was forced into getting married to Arnav. To me that contract was always btwen them so it shoudl not come out. Knowing she was forced gets her pardon from her family for all the harsh words they told her and pitaai for bitwa needing him to woo them all back with Khushi's help.
SN: typing in a rush, pardon typos
Su thank god you clarified the mistake - i was like - what what what ??? :D:D:D
Deleteyes i know - she accepts the sanctity of the marriage and the only reason i am saying ODB should voice his statements is to put her mind to rest on the stupid clause!
Sandy - thanks - that was so sweet you actually studied all this - aaawww - hope this does happen :D
SN - while on topics of marriage - if i am not mistaken, even forced marriage is a legal marriage - the 'forced' person can use this as a reason for annulment but the wedding does not get annulled on its own - right Gargi, Rekha
i think only things like incest are considered reasons for automatic annulment
ok
ReplyDeletesome crazy thoughts so spare me..
1. why did the Shuklaji call to ask for rent in between Arnav's call..
Shiddat --- would love Bitwa to buy that house ... and stay there closing the loop of shyam as PG and patofying bitiya and the guptas after the truth of marriage comes out...
2. or the debt is to make Khushi to work with AR office this time Bitwa asking her to work so as to pay the debt and this respects her , I wouldn't mind some office romance too... last time buaji asked her to quit will she force her work with Bitwa this time??...
ie buaji in bitwa's team for Bitiya manao abhiyan?
I would love to see that ..
Sandy do you think this is like pre-marriage romance phase for Arhi and then when they have heart to heart convo it will be the shadi proposal from bitwa??
aaru,
Deletehe is another Shukla, i think.....
but tere muh mein ghee shakkar
sandy, Shweths whr u guys.....hollering for u.....
Aaru - God - was thinking the exact same thing - ODB should not pay teh rent but buy the house!!!
DeleteHehehe yeah he's definitely going to intervene... Only I don't want any offc track... But yes buying it and signing it over to Buaji would be sweet
Deletehey, I am for this too!
DeleteAaru,
DeletePre wedding romance + the romance of times since they met.
Arnav is mostly going to pay the rent or buy the house. It is to tell her she has a right to his money btu if bitiya protest too much, maybe he tells her it is a loan and he is willing to wait for as long as it taks for her to pay it off (proposal bitwa style and a link back to the holi epi when she asked him for Rs. 300)
Or he coule even get her to start back her dabba service involvement so that she can continue to help her parents and not take money from him. So 2 hings he does, shows her she has a right to his money and also tells her that she does not need to ive up her independance on his account (one way she withdrew from him in the past was by stopping the dabab service na). "Khushi aakhir tum halwaai ki beti ho aur businessman ki patni" ;)
Make sense?
Rekha,
Deletehuiff puff,
coming running as u were hollering for me..
huff puff..
wha
huff puff
:)
Sandy
Delete"Khushi aakhir tum halwaai ki beti ho aur businessman ki patni"
awwww.... I really want this to happen!
Love is only the beginning to a truly beautiful relationship!!!! A foundation to solid building of trust, affection, care, understanding, endurance, passion, faith, spirituality and much much more....
ReplyDeleteKyunki tum ho toe HUM hai
Aur HUM hai toe sab kuch hai... Sab kuch.
Read all the post after work.
Su,
Anji being black/white or grey.... Anji has always been white and always will be but and this is a big BUT, like sky is always blue but can have some grey/black clouds that bring heavy shower, thunder and lightening and in that moment the sky can be perceived as grey or black similarly Anji could be perceived grey or black for the time being.
Anji is a good human being the trouble bring she is extremely insecure especially when it comes to the two men in her life. Of the men has been thrown out and the other seems to be going away due to the same woman who is the reason for the first one to be thrown out....
When I said in yesterday's post that Anji biggest smile came when Arnav said Di aapne kaha tha na meri zindagi mein ek ladki aayegi..... This smile was not malicious, it was of an insecure person. The problem being the more Arnav tries to woo khushi and spend time with her the more insecure Anji will get and the more insecure Anji gets the more she will detest khushi. A vicious circle.... Unfortunately for Anji the more she dislikes khushi the darker her character gets....
Rekha,
To put simply Akash tolds khushi responsible for Di's upset, for family's upset. He thinks if khushi had told the truth to everyone and not hidden anything things would have been much better. He doesn't yet know the whole truth that nani at least knows more than him. Akash hardly has any dialogues, screen space or expressions so it's hard to get in his mind...
Sandy
Arnav being Anji half brother nahi re... See knowing mami if Arnav was half bro she would have taunted Arnav by now hurting Anji as he is not her real brother. Also on barsi they have only one lady's and man's their parents photo... So is arnav so upset and emotional about Anji mum and sitting in Shrad for her mum? What happened his mum then? Is she alive? If she is where is she? Specislly if she is nani's younger daughter does she have no contact with nani? If she is dead then how cum no shrad for her? Sure nani win't allow for one daughter's shrad while not for other....
UJ, its a little more than that....atleast the way they turned all of Akash's ire towards khushi is very telling...
DeleteIn the past, they have shown Akash as a person who agrees Khushi is a person who does things for a reason...yes he may lost sight of it today but there is going to be probably a time when he will have that moment..earlier i said that Shyam may give him some insight....but i wonder how he will do that without exposing his own role...
I also found it strange that they had that Arnav Akash convo.....Arnav asking about Payash....can't say what was strange about it but it is an important scene if u see it in the future context of a Arnav-Akash conflict/understanding. I don't think they will pursue an Akash-arnav confrontation but its all not adding up.....something amiss...not able to point out tho...mind is in a muddle
Rekha somehow Akash's chatacter lacks depth. However if you recall the sethi brothers track Akash was quick at misunderstanding khushi in the office and says chaliye bhai situation ko sambhalte hai mujhe pehle hi meeting mein hona chahiye tha.... It's only when EOW officer comes and explains that Akash says khushiji jo karti hai soch ke karti hai... So again this time as well i think he will need more evidence to believe khushi is innocent. As of now as far as akash is concerned it's khushi's word against VLR.
DeleteI agree with you though even i'm not sure yet where the akash-arnav track track will go but it will sure not reach confrontation.
As for Arnav Akash convo, i just felt that Arnav was doing a khushi. When Arnav was not around khushi had started reflecting his traits including saying WT similarly now that khushi is not around he is doing a khushi... Having said that Arnav always inquires after his loved one if not directly then indirectly but inquire he does.
I get a feeling that arnav, Payal and NK will firmly sit in khushi camp and mami and akash in anji camp. Nani will do a bhishma pitamaha....
UJ,
DeleteFor now even I have given up on that thought.
Arnav Akash was an indicator of times - Denied, But I thought and then when he asks Akash if there is a problem, Akah says no.
Akash is in denial about what Khushi said. Arnav thinks he has clarified ti all by that stance he took .But Arnav will need to step in again to straighten out Akash finally.
Payash is far from over. Whom has Akash forgiven - Payal the wife because he knows she is trying. But has he forgiven Payal the sister. Even a mention of that had him going angry young man today. So Payash have a long way to go.
The maturity in hat relationship is lopsided. Payal has always been the more mature one, perhaps because she has seen tougher circumstances and also because she is an elder sister who has stepped up to protect her younger sis.
Whereas Akash is yet o come up the graph of maturity. He has perhapsnever seen tough times as Payal, perhaps this Shyam fiasco was the first big one which has hit him and having always been protected and sheltered as the younger brother, Akash is not sure of how to react and manage. Like he could not understand Payal's insecurities about having to be a society wife and her efforts for that. Just because he has accepted her in a form she cannot always only be that. She has other roles to play and in the one as a wife she is highly insecure of her place outside not helped at all by a biting mother in law.
UJ,
DeleteI feel like this.
Khushi WILL NOT let Payal sit in her camp while Akash is on the other side.
She will send jiji packing. This could be one of the reasons why they've taken the pains to create a rift in Payash. Remember, it started as far back as Babli exactly when the kidnap was planned. (Bubbles was right there when the slippery soap appeared) I am trying to say, Soap- kidnap and Babli- Payash MU started at the same time. Maybe they built it up quietly and purposefully like this so that the parallel tracks of Arhi, Payash and Shyam- Anji will meet here.
Devil's advocate as usual!
DeleteSo, team Shyam: Anjali, Mami, Akash, Payal?
Not possible? How will Khushi convince Payal to side with Shyam?
Sounds like a lot of rubbish!
Don't know what the CVs are thinking of.
"Humm Is se bhi neeche gir sakte hain!!"- for Arnavji and his Di?
Yeh paagal ladki aur kya kya karnewali hai?
Confusing, but try thinking of all the possibilities.
Why doesn't anyone think of Shyam?
Su
DeleteIf akash payal rift increases which it will, as Dia says payash have only papered over and cracks still exist. The cracks will grow and eventually payal will let rip and leave RM or payal will let rip and akash will see the light if the day. Either ways when i say
Team khushi - Arnav, payal and NK. i don't mean Arnav, payal and NK will physically leave RM. it's about unwavered trust that i'm talking about. So payal will definitely trust khushi no diubt about it. Don't forget payal has given Mr ASR her piece of mind toe akash ko toe de hi sakti hai....
UJ,
DeleteWe saw how Payal tried to convince Akash the day Shyam's revelation happened. She was nervous like a school kid.
I feel Payal the wife will be submissive and not fiery like Payal, the sister.
Thre is a big difference between shouting at a total stranger and standing up to your husband. I am begging you, don't expect this from Payal. She is not a liberated woman in her thirties. She is just a small town girl married in to a rich family and she is a typical SP bahu. She may not even shout at ASR when the contract news breaks out. If you are expecting great things from payal, you may be disappointed.
If it happens, if she will stand up for her sister, well and good!
I'll love it. But I don't expect it from her.
If it doesn't happen, I hope you will not blame the writer or execution b'coz it shouldn't be expected from her.
Can someone help me here ?
ReplyDeleteFor sometime now, I’ve been trying to decipher the painting in RM living room. I noticed it on that”school kids in front of nani” scene and today.
I am not sure, is it raas leela?
If it is, it has replaced ‘Durga’ that was displayed in prominence during the kidnap track. And Khushi’s DM has also left RM.
Shyam making inroads in to the Raizada living room? He has expanded out of his bedroom?
If it is raas- leela, one small insight from Osho.
‘Raas, the dance of celebration, is the most profound attributeof the mighty stream of creation.And creation in itself is the interplay of polar opposites-thesis and anti- thesis. When opposites collide with each other it results in conflict, hostility and war, and when they embrace each other there is love and friendship.’
Describes Arnav- Shyam
and Arnav- Khushi.
Anji has already started wearing turquoise blue. (red- green- blue transition?)
Mami is wearing a mis- matched looking blue- stoned jewellery.( Yes. we already know about these two, CVs. Who else?)
hey Su - me too always wondered what that painting was all about - have no clue :D
DeleteAll of you in IF,
ReplyDeleteDo these things get discussed there?
Felt some discomfort over:
1. Rice boiling- too much time on it.
2. Mumbai trip.
3. Golgoppas.
All 3 were there in our shiddat post.
Hey dia... are you alright?... These days i just see your edit and a few comments here and there.. Others are keeping the comments section going but i miss your replies to them.. hope im wrong and alls well at ur end..
ReplyDeleteDeeshna
Deeshna,
DeleteHi ... are you new here? Welcome to R&R! :)))
Thanks for asking ... :))) I'm a bit busy these days, that's all ... kids both on holiday at home so am very busy with them. I'll be back full time in a couple of months after they both leave for college ... till then, I update, and then enjoy reading all the comments and discussions! Am touched you missed me :))) there are so many heated discussions here these days, it's difficult to keep track!
Hey Dia,
DeleteIm glad the reasons are good :)...
I'm not new here have been following you almost from the time you started writing abt IPKKND... i usually dont comment just enjoy reading stuff.... but i just felt you presence missing a lil so asked... Have a good day!.
Regards,
Deeshna
Dia,
ReplyDeleteI see a mention of Anjali in your post. Oh I was so thrilled to see her out and about today. Just one person to chuck out and one person to bring in and her happy world will be complete is how I see it.
Plus it is giving a false sense of security / well being to the man who started it all.
Btw was ainvayi seeing some old epis - saw the rakhi one in temple and then I hear this dialogue from Arnav saying "Khushi ghar waapas aa gayi hai" and then Anjali tells Arnav that she should do this more often because then all her work gets done.
Hmm yday seh was appeased that he married Khushi for her and her baby's sake. How will she react when he talks of or actually brings her back after assuring Di that she was still of prime imprtance to him?
Sandy, I have been going through all the old episodes from the start to number them, and I came across a couple of VERY interesting posts, including the one you mention and a couple of others. Will re-check and post the dates - this is around September, exactly the one you mentioned - Rakhi and the before and after ... where I had already noticed Anjali's emotional blackmail tactics.
DeleteTake a look ... I will re-check and tell you the exact ones.
I wonder if Di will actually express obliquely that she's happier now ... unstated- because Khushi is not here ... and then Arnav brings Khushi back ... undermining her confidence all over again?
Also, in one of the posts I gave the links for above, was a mention that Anjali is back to playing major domo of the house ... first telling Khushi, have breakfast before you leave ... and then emerging to tell Akash, take care, look after yourself ...
DeleteDia,
DeleteIf Arnav even speaks of bringing back Khushi inthe house, I hope Anjali has a moment like the other day where she said I thought you brought her into the house for my sake but I do not need her anymore then why is she here?
I know the old epis if you hear some of teh dialogues the future looks very promising.
I think they are stretching matters because of BV and Mahadev. Mahadev has a wedding coming up between Shiv and Parvati son They are planning a dhamaka with that. I can just feel it.
Dia,
DeleteLovely edited post.
Thanks for those 2 posts. Both well written.
Masks brought a smile and a fond memory of R&R.
Dia,
DeleteBlack Anjali? :Anjali is back to playing major domo of the house
Has she taken over from nani too?
Song dedications after ages
ReplyDeleteFor Arnav:
"pyaar diwaanaa hotaa hai, mastaanaa hotaa hain
har khushee se, har gam se, begaanaa hotaa hain
shamaa kahe parawaane se, pare chalaa jaa
meree tarah jal jaayegaa, yahaa naheen aa
wo naheen sunataa, us ko jal jaanaa hotaa hain
rahe koee sau paradon me, dare sharam se
nazar ajee laakh churaye, koee sanam se
aa hee jaataa hain jis pe, dil aanaa hotaa hain
suno kisee shaayar ne ye, kahaa bahot khub
manaa kare duniyaan lekin mere mehaboob
wo chhalak jaataa hai, jo paimaanaa hotaa hain"
For Khushi's state of mind and also for a time soon when Arnav comes to know what is eating away at her
"Tum Itna Jo Muskura Rahe Ho
Kya Gham Hai Jisko Chhupa Rahe Ho
Aankhon Mein Nami, Hansi Labon Par
Kya Haal Hai Kya Dikha Rahe Ho
Ban Jayenge Zehar Peete Peete
Yeh Ashq Jo Piye Ja Rahe Ho
Jin Zakhmon Ko Waqt Bhar Chala Hai
Tum Kyon Unhe Chhedhe Ja Rahe Ho
Rekhaon Ka Khel Hai Muqaddar
Rekhaon Se Maat Kha Rahe Ho"
For some reason I was reminded of this dialogue from Tum Bin the context of Arnav wooing back Khushi
"Jaanta hoon aapko sahare ki zaroorat nahi hai
Main toh bas saath dene aayaa hoon"
Oh God, Dia, your edit bought tears to my eyes.....
ReplyDeletefor all Sanaya lovers -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K15WJnaf4wY
and ofcourse Jagjit Singh too.. the words, the music, the concept.. everything is sooo beautiful!! :) :) and Sanaya has brought depth to this concept in a matter of just 4 minutes.. :)))
Barun Sobti's interview in bombay times Pg 9...they've interviewed him about the big C scenes...clearly the person who wrote the article hasn't seen the show cuz she talks about the barn scene being out of place for the Big C...clearly she doesn't know- Nothing happened- cuz nothing ever happens!!
ReplyDelete"clearly she doesn't know- Nothing happened- cuz nothing ever happens!!"
DeleteFrustrated ArHi soul .... Hugs!!
hehehe...Sama you should read the article the whole thing is just about the Big C.. Barun's views on it, BALH scene type expectations etc...
DeleteGargi, Can you give a link/ synopsis?
DeleteHey Su,
DeleteCan't find an e copy but the interviewer was basically asking him about the Big C...peoples expectations, what he thought of BALH, what the producers want...didn't he find the barn scene random as it was following a kidnapping scene...?
He asked him how comfortable they were...he said that both their partners understand but personally he's not comfortable with very bold scenes...Also he mentioned in his opinion its harder for an actress to do a love making scene so that should be considered... he said he and San were frds and costars and are comfortable working with each other....
Then he spoke about how its just a job and then gave some details about him and Pashmeen and how much he loves her...
Also mentioned that if he were a producer he would prefer not to do too explicit scenes but that he's an actor and that story and serial progress are producers lookout and doing a good job with the scene given to him is his lookout...
basic gist...
Is Barun in his senses ... He is planning to make a move to BW if opportunity allowed with such reservations. I don't think so he will quit TV. There is no way he can stay the way he is in BW.
DeleteWhy the fuss over Hut C. SaRun had far more intimate scenes in terms of physical proximity than the Hut C scene. TM1 and TM2, he barely left her bare waist ;)
Hahaha...but he didn't say he wouldn't do it - no pun intended this time...he just said he'd rather they didn't go too bold and anyway BALH is balaji this is sphere...they won't go too bold unless channel demands it...and it won't...Sony is more liberal in that sense than SP and colors...
Deleteoh ok .... I din't read the original ... it was a summary by someone at IF. Ok that's much better :D
DeleteGargi, Sama,
DeleteWhat was so great about BALH big C?
I saw the promo of that 'big C" and I don't know why, I didn't watch the big C and kind of gave up on BALH(was just a trp stunt for me, I guess: so I didn't appreciate it.) altogether. I mean the setting and all was nice, actors were good probably(can't say for sure since I didn't watch it), but I bet even TM1 oozed more sensuality than BALH AND ANY OTHER BIG C in all serials put together.
TM1 was described as 'love-making ' on television. They don't need to get any closer than hut scene- I mean, what more can they show?
So, the physical proximity will be the same,add on a few kisses here and there; I guess it is how the scene will be written and directed that will make all the difference when big C happens. And of course, their chemistry will ignite the screen.
Hahaha neither did I Su...and frankly I don't really want to either...:-p...
DeleteTeri Meri was HOT!!! pretty sure it was the hottest thing on SP and Indian telly ... yeah thats why i sort of agree with BS its not about the boldness it more about the chemistry and expressions ...which BS-SI definitely have so as long as they don't try and out do BALH in terms of Bolder scene and stick to their forte...actors chemistry we should get a great scene...
Su, Sama...we're discussing this as if its happening this week...lol...
Dia - Your edit completely moved me. I have been upset all day today trying to come to terms with why Khushi has been acting this way and obviously have been unable to put my finger on it. Your assessment of Khushi makes complete sense.
ReplyDeleteCan we send this write-up to Gul because I'm very sure they don;t understand Khushi the way you do,
Kudos to you again!! Hugs to you for being my sounding board (virtually that is :-))
Dia take a bow.... Your edit, simply beautiful. Touched me and brought goosebumps all over. Your description of khushi has left me in a teary state.... Hugsss....
ReplyDeleteDia - read your and the Spice girls hangout post - well written and was a really good read :D
ReplyDeleteBut i disagree with you on one aspect - ODG's character is never sacrificed - she is and will always remain the main protagonist - this is an SP serial after all. She is always in character - eg you did not like how she broached the topic with Akash - i actually found in perfectly in character - see she is still very young, a person with a heart of gold - who thinks she can sort all out - right - so she started off on a touchy topic without think of what words to use but essentially she said what Akash himself said (when he asked Payal to come along!) - so my point being - she is always in character - childlike and mature by turns, naive in some aspects but yet worldly wise in others
Now ODB - he is never given the same status - the PH banks on the hotness factor and never completes his character - he poor thing is assassinated very often - hence no movement by him post wedding - no secret use of his mind or resources to find out the truth - So no, its not KKG who suffers bad portrayal its ASR
Mona.. Mona.... Mona...."ODG's character is never sacrificed"
DeleteWant to hug you.
She is always in character. And I loooove KKG.You have described her PERFECTLY!!!
About ASR, that is exactly how they have planned it. The creators themselves have said that they can play around with this character. "He is a dark horse" apparently. Not anymore, I guess.
dia you edit and the posts you gave made me understand arnav, khushi and anjali even more... and I just realised a few things ... basically the similarities and differences b/w the three of them -
ReplyDelete1. Similarities :
all three orphaned at a very young age and with a tragic past.. all three of them ectremely insecure about life and about the relations in their lives.. and last, but most importantly, all three of them, equally stubborn in their goal to make life fair and perfect for them ..
2. Now the differences in their outlook towards life :
a. Arnav : took the easiest way out, starting giving shit back to the world because it gave that to him.. tit for tat.. life hated him, he hates life.. that's only fair.. becomes indifferent and shut himself from the world so that life wouldn't hurt him again.. insecure about losing the two most important women in his life.. whether to destiny or because of his own actions and not necessarily in that order.. insecure about losing control over his own life and hence will try endlessly to bring everything under HIS control..
b. Anjali : took the second most easiest way out ... don't care what the world offers, she is going to be happy..she is going to convince herself that the world is beautiful ... that is has NO pains, no sorrows whatsoever..she has seen the worst in life and now nothing bad can happen or should happen.. she will be happy, come what may.. even if it means living in a illusion...even if it means being loved falsely.. because the greatest insecurity for her is being unloved.. she can tolerate being loved falsely, being reassured falsely, hearing to all those fake promises by her husband, but cannot bear being unloved.. hence the constant reassurance..that she is loved, the constant need of being loved ..
3. Khushi : she unknowingly took the most difficult path of all.. and the wisest of the three when it comes to understanding life (not the wisest of all).. she has seen the good, the bad, the ugly and has accepted life as it is.. but the biggest insecurity for her is losing the people she loves.. she wants to make everyone around her happy and she gets her happiness from that.. ever since she got orphaned and entered in a foster family, her aim had been to keep others happy.. her own happiness comes out of accepting that life is beautiful and that if she makes life beautiful by keeping those around her happy, then she is happy herself ... her biggest pain was not when arnav returned her payal after diwali and broke her heart.. it was not then that she felt orphaned all over again..it was when she was forced into a hate marriage.. that when all her relations broke...when each and every person she valued seemed to detest her, when she couldn't keep them happy that she felt she was orphaned again.. her own pain, she can tolerate, as long as it remains to herself..but when it gets extrapolated to those she loves, she cannot handle it at all.. her biggest insecurity is that the people around her become sad..and that SHE is the reason for that pain.. hence it lies in keeping others happy and that makes her happy..
and even then, I am not sure if I have got khushi correctly.. arnav and anjali I think I pretty much have.. arnav, though is deemed to be the most complex, is actually the easiest to understand.. its the two women that are the most complex.. and khushi, the most complex of them both..
as you said dia and as I'd said also in a few posts her and on IF, the CVs really did a huge mistake by roping in Sanaya..she can single handedly make the other characters look soo one dimensional.. just by her sheer acting skills.. :)
I dunno mads in all fairness to Arnav I think Anjali took the easiest way out- or perhaps the most delusional way out...her option isn't really an option for most people in life. it only worked for her because she had someone to fall back on...
Deletebut yeah between Arnav and khushi they took polar opposite routes to cope and those are generally the only two paths in real life...though to their credit they both took different approaches but at least they had spirit and spunk...Arnav may have become quite bitter but he always fought real hard against the world and its harsh realities and in her own way so did Khushi...its only anjali who gave up and donned her rose tinted glasses...
In recent months I feel they've forgotten that aspect of Arnav's character...the arrogance, the care-a-dam attitude, the life just gives you crap motto of his...I can imagine how difficult it is to balance Arnav and ASR...and I actually really liked how the CV's showed him in ASR romantic mode but I wouldn't mind a throwback to the old ASR either....
was watching random old episode...love love love ASR during the Nainital trip...both Khushi and Arnav are amazing...I really recommend that anyway feeling like IPK is not living unto expectations...go back and watch those eppys...totally brilliant...
...simpler days...they fought, they argued, secretly attracted to each other, she would fall, trip, faint, collapse and he would catch her...
Haaaayyyeeee
Gargi - i agree - Anjali took the easiest way out compared to ODB&G who built their ways - opposite routes, yes, but they built it themselves.
Deletebut to be fair to Anji - her being the most effected could also be coz she saw the most- She was at least 18 when she lost her parents and her future husband - her world literally fell apart and the only hook to sanity was her brother. (repeat happening right now)
ASR was old enough to understand what was happening and a naturally arrogant strong personality turned into a tyrant driven into proving he can make it
ODG on the other hand was just a child (like she says was too young to even know what death was) and hence she healed fastest with the love and support of her babuji
Gargs, I think we may never really go completely back to the ASR doesn't give a damn attitude days although we do see a glipmse of him..he is still like that, only now, his instances of doesnt give a damn are changed.. for example, he is still indifferent abt the fact that it is slightly uncomfortable to romance your wife in front of your family or your servants and is doing just that.. that is very ASR-ish.. but now that he has seen what it is like to laugh and to live life, I think its difficult for him to go back to those days when he never really cared, because now he does care.. I think the fact that he took pains to attend his di's satsang the other day and that he didn't mind going to a mandir too, was all khushi's badaulat.. he understood the true meaning of gaining happiness by giving others some, only after he met khushi.. and honestly, he didn't have to take much pains to keep his di happy that way, because any guesture of his would make her happy..she is a simpleton that way.. :)
Deleteand why I say Gargs that he took the easiest way out is because that is a true sign of a rebellion.. and I do think that to rebel is to take the easiest way out..instead if you spend some time to think of your actions and how to deal with them, then that requires courage and maturity.. not just giving back what you got..its what kids do..if someone hits them, they hit them back.. like he took away my toy..so I take away his.. :P he is mad at me, I will be mad at him.. and refuse to look at the other side.. thank god Arnav had a sister to look after, otherwise he would have become completely inhuman and incurable by now..
ok, anjali took the easy way out too, by creating an illusion.. but atleast she had the guts to accept that there was hope within despair (even though she went way overboard with it).. whereas arnav could never muster the strength to hope.. and I think, being able to hope inspite of the looming grief is one of the biggest strengths of a person and by that measure, khushi is the strongest of them all.. :)
Madsiee,
DeleteVery well written. I loved it.
Khushi's biggest fear seems to be sadness
Arnav's is peple he loves going away from him
Anjali's seems to be being left alone
Khushi thinks SHE is the reason for the pain and she is always quick to blame the outcome on events on herself.
Now is I take a step back and wonder why Khushi needs people around her to be happy. Why does she deny herself? What happened that this child grew up to mask her unhappiness from all and at times even confess it to herself? Why does she not want to see sadness? What is it abotu sadness that Khushi has buried under the mud deep inside and does not want to see it before her?
She is afraid of sleeping alone, darkness and fast cars and her parents died in a car accident. Does sadness time and again remind her of being an orphan? Does she need the happiness to forget she is an orphan and does not have anyone to call her own in a way she wants to without being expected to give something in return?
Did she do something in the car that fateful night all in goodwill but it caused the crash? Did she see people plunge into grief by those deaths and holds herself responsible for that grief?
I agree with Gargi, that Anjali took the easiest way out. She chose to gloss over it al, forget it all.
Arnav I think took the toughest because he just could not let go of the past and stayed stuck.
Khushi took the middle path. She moved away from the past but could not let go of it compeltely.
Mona you are right.. Anjali is indeed the most affected because she saw the ugliness of life at an age where she could comprehend everything.. whereas Arnav was relatively younger when he experienced it and khushi, the youngest of all.
DeleteIf we try to remember our life, the painful memories if any, are of the teen years when we begin to comprehend life..its not for nothing that they say that those years are the most important ones .. because they end up shaping our persona.. and anjali got transformed into an insecure, slingly person.. whereas arnav turned into a rebel.. khushi was soo young that probably for her this might have been a very very bad dream and when she woke up, she found her next to her foster amma-bauji and buaji.. it was only when she got older that she realised what she had lost, but by that time the love and care of her family had probably overtaken that grief..
sorry, I meant anjali got transferred into an insecure *clingy person..
DeleteMona,
DeleteI thought about what you had written. What ame to mind is if this happened at teh cusp of Anjali's marriage then what kind of maturity level did this girl have? Or did she have that sheltered a life till she was that age and this was the first rude shock for her like Akaash faced with what happened on Shyam reveal day at RM?
well we don't know anything about their childhood - was it secure, was it troublesome? given that their father is not liked by Nani - could they have had a traumatic childhood?
DeleteBut what we do know if that Anji was getting married - and catastrophe hit - of course she must have been very very young then - OBD was just a teenager then
So you can imagine what an 18 yr old must have gone through at that point and time - and one who does not have the spunk in her like ODG - but in naturally a soft (weak?) person - one who needs support more than she provides to others
oh, and you are right - it does seem like Akash has faced the first 'real life shock' in his life
DeleteBeautifully written, mads :)))
DeleteI would put it this way
Arnav's biggest fear is people he loves going away from him, and his own vulnerability
Anjali's biggest fear is that she is not good enough to be loved
Khushi's biggest fear is being alone and unwanted
Arnav's is the simplest to understand, and so are his reactions to it. His mother left him at a tender age, presumably his father also ... his uncle betrayed the family and threw them out. So he changed into this cold emotionless man, who doesn't love people ... if he doesn't love anyone, their going or coming won't affect him. So he let no new person into his innermost circle ... his parents are gone, his sister is the only one left, so he couldn't exclude her from that circle of love ... but no one else was allowed to enter. And he was left vulnerable at a tender age, so he won't allow himself to be vulnerable to anything or anyone, especially not to love. Vulnerability is a weakness, and he will not be weak, he has to show the world he is strong. And most of all, he had to be strong for his sister, who was the weak one, and left even weaker after their tragedy.
Anjali has the fear of not being loved. Handicapped, abandoned on her wedding day, her mother died on her wedding day ... she remained unmarried for the next seven years, and then got married to someone who would not have seemed to be the perfect 'catch' for a girl of her status and family .. a man inferior by social status, wealth, family ... yet she idolised the man - why? Because she truly felt he was so good? Or because she felt that was all she deserved? That she could do no better? And her constant praise of the man underlined that - you're so wonderful, I'm so lucky to have you ...
Yes, Nani accepted Payal and Khushi very happily when they were from the same social status, but getting a bride from a poorer family is different from giving your daughter to a poorer man. They admired Shyam for his khudgarzi, yet had no problem with Anjali spending extended periods of time at her maayka with her husband a ghar jamai - why? Again accepting a compromise, because that was the best she would get?
And probably because Anjali was born into a rich family, she was overcompensated for that handicap, treated with kid gloves to make sure she didn't feel bad, but no one can protect a child completely from unthinking words of strangers, and a child is sensitive enough to pick these up. So she grew up over-sensitive and with a chip on her shoulder, her family pampered her to over-compensate, resulting in a person who was never really allowed to face knocks as a child ... and that continued into adulthood.
Khushi is easy to decipher, but her way was the hardest ... although she went into a loving family so early, she never forgot she was adopted, they, especially Buaji, and Garima also (if you see the earlier episodes) never let her forget it. Her constant attempts to be helpful, to be useful were attempts to make herself indispensable so that they needed her, and wouldn't throw her out. And there was nobody really her own whom she could cry to, so she learned to swallow her tears and always keep a smile on her face, so that everyone liked having her around, everyone wanted her around ... to be unwanted was her worst fear.
apparently arnav pays off buaji's rent -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3113727
so much for hoping that it will turn into a full fledged track! :S
khushi is upset and understandably so..in her mind she is not his true wife and hence cannot take any favours from him.. whereas he cannot understand why she is soo upset since she is his legally wedded wife and is the rightful owner of everything that belongs to him.. :)
^^I HOPE this is why they are fighting!
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Deleteshe says "aap ko kya lagta hai hum buaji ka elaj khud nahi kar sakte"
DeleteDammit ... She is not going to talk about the real issue is she?! This also means he did not find out about BuaJi lie. Come to the point already.
http://hd-rulez.info/dm.php?id=xsdwyz
Deletehere's the link .. begins around 0:30-ish.. :)
no, Sama, she says "aapko kya lagta hai, hum buaji ke ghar ka kiraya khud nahi de sakte?" .. so I am HOPING that he has caught the lie and I think moves over to the next bit..
pata nahi yaar .... I just want a proper mature CONVERSATION between ArHi .... jagde ya pyaar kare ... but talk dammit!!
DeleteI don't think so we will get it. From the look Lucknow express is full on.
As for the lie bit. Why would ASR try to be calm or even get her calmed down if he indeed caught on to it?
I was so damn excited when I read they are fighting but now its same old same old.
Sama lets see how the scene plays out before we jump to conclusions.. often SBS etc news is not what it seems to be.. so let's wait and watch.. and then bash.. :P
DeleteI know ....sometimes i feel SBS ruins the scenes for us because we either dismiss it before watching or build it up too much...
Deleteand we also create a certain bias about the scene beforehand.. :S
DeleteYT link:
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9ZKBKGlA3g
"khudgarz type ki ladki hai" :P
Dia,
ReplyDeleteA beautiful post *applause*, perfectly brought all of Khushi's nuances....
I wish the CVs/Gul read this edit of urs.....there is an important message in it for them
On ur comment on Gul's vision, u r absolutely right.....Sanaya made Khushi come alive even there has been mass murder of her charaterisation at diff junctures..she has shone in the scenes that matter and given us a glimpse of who is the central character in this all
Another thot, Dia...and girls....If gul meant this to be a story of a brother and sister, i hope it is a story that shows them the reality of their shallow lives; i doubt it can anymore be a story that will portray how the male lead "balances" the two most important relationships in his life. Khushi or should we say Sanaya has ensured that
Dia, once again, let me say I absolutely loved ur edited post
Ok there was a topic at IF on BuaJi ka ghar being her husbands property so why should they pay rent??
ReplyDeleteIs it so ... I can't recall anything such.
yes.. i remember this.. 'phupaji' has a house in delhi, only wealth of buaji, only way for the girls to escape the lucknow character assassination..or something something..
Deleteand recently, when arnav bought the AC, amma buaji defending the strength of the house walls.. why would they do that if the house was not fully owned?
so thats a blooper?(hopeful puppydog face)
repeat.. who is new on the cv's team who has not seen the past episodes??
Hi diya,
ReplyDeleteIm a silent reader of your thoughts and analysis on IPKKND.
I like to to read your analysis on each episode more than watching it…
Today I cant stop myself from appreciating you for you have doen a wonderful sketch on kushis thought and I loved it so much.
U r right, Sanaya s doing a wonderful work, and all we worry is about Kushi rather than the tragic past of Arnav and anjali.
After reading comments above, i really hope CVs pay attention to some important points raised by u all..
ReplyDeleteGul/CVs have opened a pandora's box here and i hope they know that...
The layering in Khushi's, Arnav's, Anji's character begs answers, i hope they have the courage to answer those questions
A monologue that simply says "i can't see Arnav unhappy" will not suffice becos it has to delve deeper. A self-sacrificing heroine is no nayi soch...it is geesa peeta soch...hardly something that will appeal to the section of audience that this aesthetic was presumably written for....
Similarly, this section of audience will also not be very impressed if the attempt is to make ASR Arnav sandwich singh becos i hope i am right in saying that the premise is not very just....CVs have to find way to tackle this expectation.
Rekha,
DeleteSacrifice is there in every love story.
Khushi has sacrificed for her adoptive family, her sister:
What has she sacrificed for ASR so far?
What has he sacrificed for her?
You take any decent love story, isn't there 'sacrifice'?
I am expecting sacrifice here.
Pretty sure it will be there.
'Chick pea will boil willingly for her Ranjha.'
Su,
DeleteI suspected my words did come out harsh...she would not have been a heroine otherwise....but at some stage, if not now, i want her to fight for her love too...i can't express this well...pathos in a love story is becos of sacrifice, all classics tell u of that..but my pull for this story is also about why these two can't stay apart..
Su, to add to what i wrote above,
DeleteChickpea will boil willingly...but is there no thot for Ranjha's real happiness....for her own happiness(i don't subscribe to this being a selfish trait)
yes, it may take a while, let it take a while...but will she not understand the man at some point esp when he will also understand her as well...(whenever that be)
Su, sacrifice in a love story for a competing love, i can well understand; in today's modern times, and IPK is a modern tale, how can one accept sacrifice if its to placate notions built on quick sand like probably Anji's....
I agree the path can be tuf to bring about understanding on all sides and thats the challenge for ASR... when we will hopefully see him walk that arduous path
Dia,
ReplyDeleteBeautiful edit on Khushi. I felt like hugging Khushi, the little, lost orphan. *HUGS* to you.
Aaruuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ... how is your thumb??
ReplyDeleteI just chopped off half of tip and nail of left thumb. Careless knife ... din't see the chicken infront of it :P
Bright side, I don't need it at all for typing .... lol
Sama,
DeleteToo much ASR day dreaming kya? - OMG how did u chop ur finger bey!!
Aaru,
How are your fingers? Still on physio?
Sama!! how did that happen?? cursing the CV's??you ok?
DeleteAaru,
Sorry didnt ask you before!! but i hope u r doing fine!!sorry!
Owwwww!! are you ok!!how are you typing without your thumb? ROFL...shit? command and option keys?
DeleteTake care girl!
sama
Deleteoh dear are you ok ???
were you in arhi land, because I was dreaming when I got hurt...
but yes still on cast, and my ASR is exactly as ODB.. asking tum theek ho!!! and tumhe kuch chaye kya.. (and me like --yaa my time with R&R...)
so can't sit with my lappy for long.. although I do little cheating after the episodes so I can get my coffee break..
most of my time on lappy goes with me writing my reports...grhh..
but ofcourse can read, so reading a lot..
Aaru - any better - can you type now? or do you have to be content with our chatter and keep going "no no that's not what it is... " :D
DeleteOuch - Sama take care - that's why we say there is an age limit to IPK- to avoid such accidents with ASR day dreaming! ;)
Gargi - i actually typed a few lines to see if we use our thumbs for typing!! :D:D:D
Aaru and Sama take care!! and get better soon!
DeleteMona...hehehe ...I do...do you?:-p
gargi - no actually i don't use my left thumb but do you the right :D
Deleteaahh - meant i use my right
DeleteThumbelinas, get better, take care
DeleteSamaaaaaa ... stop daydreaming when you're handling knives!!!! Take care, girl!!!
DeleteVaise, I liked your priorities ... don't need it for typing ... chalega! :)))
Never made a song dedication for a post.....but dia, ur post actually sang to me today..
ReplyDeletea song from Mili, its also one of my AB-JB favourites
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw7xDUagvjI
Badi sooni sooni hain
zindagi yeh zindagi
main khud se hu yahan
ajnabi, ajnabi
Kabhi ek pal bhi
Kahin yeh udaasi
Dil mera bhoole
Tabhi muskurakar dabe paanw aa kar
Dukh mujhe chhule
Na kar muhjhse gam mere, dillagi yeh dillagi
Kabhi main na soya, kahin mujhse khoya
Sukh mera aise pata naam likhkar
Kahin yuhin rakhkar, bhoole koi jaise
Ajab dukh bhari hain yeh, bebasi,bebasi
Its Khushi's state as it today....the hindi word is bebasi....its anji's state also in a way
It may well be Arnav's when he knows it all when his peetal ka bhartan moment arrives
Thanks, all for liking the edit today. I was talking with my mom about Khushi in the morning ... and this was the result.
DeleteRekha, this was beautiful ... I love this song and the movie both ... yep, this describes Khushi's state to a T right now.
Dia came across this post some similarities with your post today -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3111000
Hi Dia
ReplyDeleteI started following this serial 2 months back only and came accross this blog at about the same time. I must admit that I love reading your analysis/ write up of the episode very much (sometimes more than the episode itself!)
Cheers
Asha
Hi Asha, and welcome! I'm glad to see that people started following the show even just 2-3 months ago, when we old-timers feel it wasn't as good as the first few months ... shows IPK still holds that appeal.
DeleteDo post here whenever you feel like ... we're a very friendly bunch of crazies! :))) Thanks for your sweet words!
i had planned to stay away from R&R and not write on the blog this week - watch the serial like normal people and see if its any different - obviously that resolution did not last, for here i am wrapping up a day at work with posts on R&R!!!!
ReplyDeletehahaha..I'm glad your resolve didn't last;-)
DeleteSama,anyone,
ReplyDeleteIf it wasn't their plan to have a 6 months contract, then what was 'supposedly' their original plan?
I think we had a looott of discussion around that time :D My take on it:
Delete1) the CVs had to leave space open for future tracks (like now) - so once the MU got cleared then there would be no problems, they are happily married! - CVs cant have it so simple - hence the clause
2) the more important one - from the story's pov - he had to say it like an insult - that he will marry her but only for a time period
Guys someone make me feel better about this track. Somehow I get a feeling that we are again headed down the swami OTT track sorts.... It just feels it will be a real drag before the issues come out. Earlier ASR would not tell her the reason he married her till she almost suicided and now she will not tell him the reason till????
ReplyDeleteI am happy with the judaai but I din't want the CVs to stretch it please..... I hope ASR finds out the real reason for ODG leaving pretty soon.
Dia agree with you Anji needs to start showing her insecure side soon again so she comes up with buri nazar wale remarks and stuff to make arnav realise that all izz not well.
Sandy,
Hugsssss bey. Loved your write up on arnav / ocean. And the butterfly drenched in the love.... Hayeee... If anything this butterfly the innocent girl more then deserves his TLC. Although I do think before snything else Arnav needs to have an understanding of what exactly she means to him. In one side he tells Di khushi ke aane se humere beech kuch nahi badlega.... And in the other he cannot live without her even for a day.
Mona
So agree they need to have a mature convo but alas the CVs don't want them to so looks like we are back to GH and Sanka devi of the post marriage GH track. Nahiiiii....
Absolutely agree no big wedding for ODG-B but proper pheras will be nice. I think more than anything else for a girl it's the beautiful intense emotional feeling during the pheras when you agree to be his for the rest of your life and so pheras would be really nice. I wouldn't mind if it's only ODB-G doing the pheras with no one else present in DM's presence...
Mads
Hugsss beautiful write on Anji, Arnav and Khushi's character. Loved reading every bit of it and the discussion was great to read as well girls. Somehow I also feel that Anji took the easiest route. Just relie in someone else, a someone else who would always banish the darkness and make world happy and bright. Being the oldest when tragedy hit IMO opinion should make her the stringest of the lot as she was old enough to understand the enormity of the situation and deal with it but infortunately for Arnav she became very weak. I think she is the weakest and most insecure of the three.
Arnav took a difficult route but most of it was down to Anji. It was Anji weakness that drove him to become the stronger one for her sake and deal with the situations for her. At a very young age when you are just about starting inderstand the wirld you were thrown at the deep end and asked to deal with what comes...
Girls, been out the whole evening ... the new love(s) of my life currently are Batman and Robin :))) Great movie!!!
ReplyDeleteWill catch up with discussions after the episode
Khushi took the hardest route because to maintain a facade of happiness and smile and to bring smile to others when you are tearing up inside is the hardest to do. Although khushi chose the hardest route I feel Arnav is the most complex character. Khushi is complex only for Arnav but for everyone else she is simple. Keep everyone happy and she is happy. But when it comes to ODG-B relationship she becomes complex from Arnav's POV coz he dies not understand the need to smile and laugh when you are hurting from the inside. But Arnav is not only complex and layered from ODG-B relationship POV but also for all relations. He doesn't talk, he doesn't mingle, he doesn't express... Once people know khushi always tries to keep everyone around her happy her character is easy to understand but Arnav, no ones knows whats going on in his mind and makes it more complicated to understand. Thank god Barun emotes well coz otherwise with no introspection, minimum dialogues and hardly any interaction with family and friends his character would make it almost impossible to understand his part of the story. Can you imagine a real life character like ASR who does not emote... How difficult would it be to keep guessing what is going in in the man's head...
ReplyDeleteIronically he is at his ruthless best with ODG so basically take all out on her but isn't that true for ODG too. She is all smiles for everyone else but does mot hesitate to let it all out at him.