Thursday 24th May
Am a bit confused as to what exactly happened in today's episode ... and why ... so the title echoes my confusion as much as Khushi's ;)
The other title could have been Suspicion - maybe for tomorrow if suspicions crystalise further.
Police help nixed, Khushi goes to detective agency by the curious name of PDA ... =))
PDA also nixed ... we are a family show :) and they are obviously out to make a quick buck ...quite a waste of screen space ... and has the PH got additional funds to do some outdoor shoots? First the police station, then the agency ... Th first half of the episode seemed total time-pass, and I was prepared to write it off for the day ... then the second half revived it a little.
Mami is one ishmart person in RM ... would be wise if Khushi enlisted her help ... she has sharp eyes and ears ...
Don't like Khushi lying to Nani about going out ... the sooner Nani finds out her real reasons the better it will be ...
Will Mami find out the real reason for Khushi's worry first or Nani? It was obviously Mami who followed Khushi to PDA, why didn't she pursue her interrogation of Khushi? Why just that one question to Khushi and no further?
The only concrete progress came from the second Khushi-Shyam scene - Khushi's suspicions instantly raised when Shyam says so surely and gloatingly that Arnav is not going to call her in a hurry ... yes, he is the only one who knows the truth about their strained relationship, so he would be the only one who would say that ... but Arnav just called last night and spoke to everyone, including her - so why would Shyam say that so confidently? Unless he knows for sure what she just has a gut instinct about at the moment ... that Arnav is in some trouble ...
And she verifies it instantly by asking why he's not bothered about the papers any more, when before Arnav left, he was hounding her for them constantly ... and that actually gets Shyam worked up enough to leave her room ...more so, enough to realise he put his foot in it, and even enough to snap at Anjali ... the cracks beginning to emerge? Should happen soon ... they need to step up into second gear now ... and zoom to top gear next week - IPL is over by Sunday.
So one big link put into place ... yesterday I said that Khushi still has no reason to suspect any link of Shyam with Arnav's disappearance ... and I was wondering how that part would happen ... because that was an important chain of events to kick-start ... today her suspicion started ...
*edited*
Not much to add - just random thoughts.
Am pretty sure it was Mami who followed Khushi to the PDA, although the scene with Shyam and the newspaper was put in to raise suspicion as to whether it was he who followed Khushi.
Actually felt sorry for Shyam as a husband today ... the moment he shouts at Anjali even slightly, she goes into sulks and has to be coaxed out - exhausting to live with a wife like that, where you can't be yourself and show your true emotions even for a second. Husband-wife is the closest relationship, and one's spouse is the one person in front of whom one doesn't - or shouldn't - need to put on a facade. Shyam has to literally babysit Anjali and her delicate feelings all the time ... much like Arnav and the rest of the family do too. No wonder Shyam much prefers Khushi - even in enmity, he can be completely himself with her, more so now that the facade has been completely dropped. There was actually genuine frustration in his face and voice when he asked her why she was still in love with Arnav rather than with him, when Arnav has been far worse with her than he has.
And no wonder Arnav is in love with Khushi, she's the one person he can actually be himself with, and let loose all his frustrations and anger ... too much at times, of course! :) With everybody else, he keeps his stiff upper lip, and has to be the strong one. And same with Khushi in a way, although she still has to learn to let her guard down more with him, let him see her pain and hurt ... rather than the smiling mask ... ever since she learnt the truth of their marriage, that's finally what she started doing.
The name of the agency - PDA ... don't know whether to laugh or cry at the cv's idea of humour ... So private investigators are nixed ... who will Khushi approach next? Paving the way for NK? Recruited by Mami?
On rethinking, Mami would be a better person for Khushi to confide in than even Nani - Nani went into panic mode when Khushi first told her that Arnav was missing. Mami (if that was her at the agency) has not ... she started questioning Khushi in her turn ... it would be quite interesting if Mami and Khushi joined forces, as they do seem to be the only people in RM with any brains at the moment. Apart from VLR, of course ...
Have given up on Akash also, as he accepted Arnav's word so easily, and apparently didn't try to trace Arnav for three days when Arnav was ostensibly in London on a conference. Shouldn't he have been checking in with him on day to day office matters?
*edited* one more thought ... will Khushi start wondering about the PI's question that have you received a ransom note or a call from the kidnappers? And realise it's not an ordinary kidnapping for money?
Am a bit confused as to what exactly happened in today's episode ... and why ... so the title echoes my confusion as much as Khushi's ;)
The other title could have been Suspicion - maybe for tomorrow if suspicions crystalise further.
Police help nixed, Khushi goes to detective agency by the curious name of PDA ... =))
PDA also nixed ... we are a family show :) and they are obviously out to make a quick buck ...quite a waste of screen space ... and has the PH got additional funds to do some outdoor shoots? First the police station, then the agency ... Th first half of the episode seemed total time-pass, and I was prepared to write it off for the day ... then the second half revived it a little.
Mami is one ishmart person in RM ... would be wise if Khushi enlisted her help ... she has sharp eyes and ears ...
Don't like Khushi lying to Nani about going out ... the sooner Nani finds out her real reasons the better it will be ...
Will Mami find out the real reason for Khushi's worry first or Nani? It was obviously Mami who followed Khushi to PDA, why didn't she pursue her interrogation of Khushi? Why just that one question to Khushi and no further?
The only concrete progress came from the second Khushi-Shyam scene - Khushi's suspicions instantly raised when Shyam says so surely and gloatingly that Arnav is not going to call her in a hurry ... yes, he is the only one who knows the truth about their strained relationship, so he would be the only one who would say that ... but Arnav just called last night and spoke to everyone, including her - so why would Shyam say that so confidently? Unless he knows for sure what she just has a gut instinct about at the moment ... that Arnav is in some trouble ...
And she verifies it instantly by asking why he's not bothered about the papers any more, when before Arnav left, he was hounding her for them constantly ... and that actually gets Shyam worked up enough to leave her room ...more so, enough to realise he put his foot in it, and even enough to snap at Anjali ... the cracks beginning to emerge? Should happen soon ... they need to step up into second gear now ... and zoom to top gear next week - IPL is over by Sunday.
So one big link put into place ... yesterday I said that Khushi still has no reason to suspect any link of Shyam with Arnav's disappearance ... and I was wondering how that part would happen ... because that was an important chain of events to kick-start ... today her suspicion started ...
*edited*
Not much to add - just random thoughts.
Am pretty sure it was Mami who followed Khushi to the PDA, although the scene with Shyam and the newspaper was put in to raise suspicion as to whether it was he who followed Khushi.
Actually felt sorry for Shyam as a husband today ... the moment he shouts at Anjali even slightly, she goes into sulks and has to be coaxed out - exhausting to live with a wife like that, where you can't be yourself and show your true emotions even for a second. Husband-wife is the closest relationship, and one's spouse is the one person in front of whom one doesn't - or shouldn't - need to put on a facade. Shyam has to literally babysit Anjali and her delicate feelings all the time ... much like Arnav and the rest of the family do too. No wonder Shyam much prefers Khushi - even in enmity, he can be completely himself with her, more so now that the facade has been completely dropped. There was actually genuine frustration in his face and voice when he asked her why she was still in love with Arnav rather than with him, when Arnav has been far worse with her than he has.
And no wonder Arnav is in love with Khushi, she's the one person he can actually be himself with, and let loose all his frustrations and anger ... too much at times, of course! :) With everybody else, he keeps his stiff upper lip, and has to be the strong one. And same with Khushi in a way, although she still has to learn to let her guard down more with him, let him see her pain and hurt ... rather than the smiling mask ... ever since she learnt the truth of their marriage, that's finally what she started doing.
The name of the agency - PDA ... don't know whether to laugh or cry at the cv's idea of humour ... So private investigators are nixed ... who will Khushi approach next? Paving the way for NK? Recruited by Mami?
On rethinking, Mami would be a better person for Khushi to confide in than even Nani - Nani went into panic mode when Khushi first told her that Arnav was missing. Mami (if that was her at the agency) has not ... she started questioning Khushi in her turn ... it would be quite interesting if Mami and Khushi joined forces, as they do seem to be the only people in RM with any brains at the moment. Apart from VLR, of course ...
Have given up on Akash also, as he accepted Arnav's word so easily, and apparently didn't try to trace Arnav for three days when Arnav was ostensibly in London on a conference. Shouldn't he have been checking in with him on day to day office matters?
*edited* one more thought ... will Khushi start wondering about the PI's question that have you received a ransom note or a call from the kidnappers? And realise it's not an ordinary kidnapping for money?
Okay its official mami is the smartest Raizada...and Shyaam the slimiest...
ReplyDeletesomehow i really did not find sham slimy today.. he was trying to get a raise out of khushi, but somewhere, he looked almost.. humane??
Deletewhy did mami get up and go after one question??
the PDA (snicker) were just out to extort money... and am i the only one who thinks the younger PI looks like Jake?
The PDA thing just reminded me of the movie Baadshah...
DeleteMe too Gargi...in fact...i love that mad movie.....
DeleteI think CVs have this quirky sense of humour....they never give up an opportunity for spoofing....the "PDA" seemed an example of that...i must admit it was brave, if that was the idea considering the state of TRP.......
Whats Shyamu waiting for is the big question...since he has the papers and Arnav with him?..was that phone call something abt that....realising that the signature is not ok becos as the papers have been drawn by him,that is the only thing that is to be checked
Is it possible that Arnav was distracted that day(was busy talking to Khushi) while signing....so he has scribbled...remember we all remarked on how that signature looked different and the camera focused on it?
But then again, Gargi, as a person who has lived with ASR for so long...why should it take so long for VLR to verify his signature...he should have caught it the first time....so i am questioning that logic too...what is remaining to be verified in those papers, gargi....is he getting his own work checked as this late stage...locking the doors after the horse has bolted eh?
DeleteYep, that's my question too ... what exactly is Shyam waiting for? He has ASR and the papers ... and he seems very confident about the papers, as Khushi said, he's not even mentioning them again ... so why?!
DeleteAm telling you, it's the wicked chachaji :)))
Thanks Dia for the update-
Deletethank god didn't miss much action today I suppose..
Sandy went to watch Ishaqzaade.. loved the movie . and the title song just reminded me of you and Rekhs..
So Mami has a hint the something is fishy.. ok good with that, she is a good allie that Khushi can have.
Dia I am with you on this, it's the wicked chachaji for sure. If it was shyam for what the hell is he waiting for??
who are these PDA guys? and what was it yesterday's precap of shyam and khushi with the newspaper?
Read at IF that When Akash gave the papers he wanted Arnav's Initials...Am guessing, Arnav was aware of it, so maybe it was some inhouse papers that didnt require his full signature, made sense. So the will will have his initials and not his signature probably and hence the wait cos of signature not tallying?
Deletehey shweths..but the point is Shyamu ka aankh hain ya button? Initials aur signature main farak nahin samajtha?
Deletekuch aur majra hain..
maybe he got too excited and didn't check properly?
DeleteBut again Shweths, what is he waiting for? Either signatures are right or they are wrong, if they are right, then he should be jumping to shoot the guy, if they are wrong, he should be trying to get them again ... what is he waiting for? A shubh mahurat?!
DeleteOr is he trying to verify from court whether the will be held valid with those signatures? And the court is taking their time to verify? But then they would ask for some more signatures to compare these ones against, wouldn't they? The way our bank verifies signatures is for us to sign in person IN FRONT OF a bank official ... so now will he try to kidnap a court official to force him to verify the signature? *rofl*
This looks like it will take a long time!
Sorry to quote legalese here....probate is the process where a will is proved valid or invalid in a court of law and that happens on the event taking place, that the death of the will maker.
DeleteTo the best of my knowledge, there is no practice of validating a will before the event.A will is held by the will maker or the executor during the lifetime of the willmaker and as it takes effect only after his death...it needs to be probated...thats when the court comes into picture....in case of conflict...
But who was the black gloved guy? any guess????
ReplyDeleteMami or Shyaam's goon...
DeleteAt first I felt it could be maamiji, as she was trying to investigate. But, the later stage, saw Sham getting angry over the phone, then changed my thought and felt that it could be....sham's goons
Deletethat was mami.. i saw a bit of bangles under the gloves :D
Deletei think its mamiji ... remember the movie Gupt...for someone who hasnt seen the movie....i dont think anyone hasnt still... please do not read further Spoiler alert******
DeleteRemember how they purposely used to focus on those man boots and jackets just to make us think the killer is a guy when it actually was Kajol????
-- Meher
It was Mami ... I'm sure :))) I saw the bangle too ... and she was after Khushi the moment she knew Khushi had got rid of MM.
DeleteHello, Meher, are you a new entry? To the blog, I mean ... the show has plenty of them! :))) Welcome!
It is Payal.
DeleteWHY?
Payal overheard Arnav arguing with Khushi, admonishing her for washing her clothes by the pool.
She got deeply offended by that. She is Laundry Queen after all.
Hence she had ASR kidnapped so he can suffer wearing the same dirty clothes for 1 week and realize the importance of Laundry.
As for the money for kidnapping, Duhhh, Sharam nahin aati Logical questions poochtay huay?
There you go!!!!*ROFL*
*ROFL* Laundry Queen to the rescue!!!
DeleteDIa - Haven't seen the epi , but from your update the nixing of police help and PDA help may be setting up the stage for NK entry. I think Khushi will think of asking NK for help tomorrow. Let's just hope she enlists someone other than herself to deal with thi snake. I'm getting tired of Khushi trying to do everything herself.
ReplyDeleteand what's with this hiding of facts from everyone?
Yep, that's exactly what I thought ... also got the feeling that Mami might also ask or encourage NK to help Khushi ... because Mami also suspects something is wrong. Plus did Mami overhear what exactly Khushi said to the PDA about Arnav being missing?
DeleteI read somewhere that Nani finds out about Khushi lying ... don't remember where ... so that's why I was wondering whether Nani or Mami will find out. I'd be perfectly happy if either or both did ... Khushi can't handle this all alone, and these two will be her biggest help. And they will also understand the need to keep it from Anjali (and therefore Shyam) because they all just saw Anjali freak out over Chotey's disappearance.
One of those episodes, where at first glance nothing much seemed to happen, but linking Shyam with Arnav's disappearance was a big step ... that had to be done carefully, to make it look natural the way Shyam betrayed himself ... and for that, a Shyam-Khushi scenes was necessary, however distasteful it was. Thank God he hasn't gone back to that yucky lechy look - that was just too horrible for a repeat!
And again, Shyam had the perfect excuse to enter Khushi's room - sent by Anjali again - when is that woman going to grow a BRAIN?
Yeah, I like it when Shyamji makes an appearance :-) Of course can't stand him touching Khushi, they should stay away from showing such things. Here the CVs are hesitant to show love scenes between the leads, whereas happily showing a family member molesting the ghar ka bahu. Gives me creeps , although I understand such things happen in real life but isn't this why we resort to watching TV , to stay away from the harsh realities of life sometimes?
DeleteI'm glad Khushi is making those connections, but they better speed up the rescuing Arnav process.
Honestly, I have started to get withdrawal symptoms :-)
Dia,
Deleteme too wondered about Mami dealing Khushi with kid gloves....is it her or Shyam who has seen her at PDA?..CVs have hinted that both are on to something....
If its mami, as u said, she has to know that Khushi has some worries and so her line of questioning seemed correct but why did she not pursue.....maybe due to IPL?
Maybe that's what will prompt Mami to call in NK, because she knows NK and Khushi were good friends ... and that Khushi might not confide in her.
DeleteBut why doesn't Mami want to tell Akash? After all, he's her son and head of the family in Arnav's absence.
Will have to wait and watch how this plays out ... but they'd better speed things up now - can't stretch the kidnapping for too long. And from 'informed sources' Barun is back and shooting already ... now he doesn't need the rest of the regular cast at all, he's shooting solo, so he can get his scenes done pretty quickly in parallel with the RM scenes.
But my feeling is they won't show his scenes till Khushi is actually near the rescue attempt ... unless he starts a parallel escape attempt and they bump into each other. But for that, this part - of Khushi linking Shyam with the kidnapping had to be done first, otherwise how does she know where to even start looking for him?
I am guessing 2 thingsL
DeleteIf Mami indeed followed Khushi and mind you, she received the call from PDA, must have gone to PDA office or atleast overheard Khushi's complaint, so she suspects something is wrong.
Either calls NK Or gets those Namoona PDAs to work for Khushi under some pretext making the payment or something.
My guess is since we still have no confirmation on NK's return, offically so far, Khushi will look at the papers pics and realize it is a will and will realize Shyam got Aranv to sign over the papers. Either will confront him or go on her own.
They are rushing through the tracks now just to coincide with June I think.
Well after 14 good, beautiful or excellent episodes cvs are bound to get tired keeping in mind their record from mid march till april .... They need their energy for next week .... Major damage control time .... They have set the stage well.
ReplyDeleteShyaamus question and reaction would have been the most genuine IF and only IF he wasn't married and an intented murderer ....arrrrrrgh VLR all the way.
Why was Khushi pondering on his words though?!
Yes, why? I thought she had realised and accepted her love ... and now she knows about Arnav's too ... that confused me.
DeleteHope NK enters today, if he's really the one to help her in the search.
One more thought - hope Shyam didn't delete the pictures of the papers from Khushi's mobile ... or the message. :( The message was an important one.
where was she pondering? she was missing ASR and teared up - in fact loved her response to his his - why are you not angry with him !!
DeleteOMG Dia he did hv the phone, so what if Khushi looks for the pics realizes they are missing and hence suspects Shyam.
DeleteAnd Anjali sent Shyam to hand over the phone? Why not sent it through HP?
And if he deleted the message too and she creates a mess over it, she cant tell anyone about the papers too? Ooh this is interesting.
What a wrong time you picked GH to RANT!!!
Shweths, repeat after me ...
DeleteI WILL NOT READ ANY SPOILERS AND MESSAGES FROM THE CAST OR CREW OF IPKKND
I WILL NOT READ ANY SPOILERS OR MESSAGES FROM THE CAST OR CREW OF IPKKND
I WILL NOT READ ANY SPOILERS OR MESSAGES FROM THE CAST OR CREW OF IPKKND ...
Thought BS was the only one ... apparently more people have foot in mouth disease ... maybe it's catching :)))
Shweths, you picked another point I missed ... yes, if Shyam deletes the pics, she may start wondering even more what the papers actually were, and again the coincidence of his not needing them after Arnav has disappeared.
Silly woman, itni der se she had the phone, and kept staring at Arnav's message as though it was his last love letter ... ek baar voh papers bhi dekh leti!
With the acceptance of Bitwa missing, Khushi has also accepted that she can't do it alone, hence she went for external aid - police and PDA, but they being nixed, she has to find ways to crack the clue of where and how ? she can’t take help from the family,
DeleteNani might be the supporter, but can’t understand when Khushi say’s the reason for her conclusion of bitwa missing is because he said ILU. That can be understood only by MB. Because she knows like Khushi that Bitwa will would not have said it in normal convo. Hence today her question what did Arnav say on the phone.
whether shyam deleted the images or not , shyam's last line when he left " hum ney purane papers se kam chala leya hai" is more than enough for her to get suspicious about shyam's involvement, in fact she was pondering on the whole convo when mami entered. The deleted images will just confirm it. At present she hasn't connecting the papers and Arnav missing, once she does that, is when she will check the images and search for the papers. And with Mami already dawning the Bond cap, K might take her help in finding Bitwa but not the papers.. So if K has to connect both the papers and missing she needs NK a third party.
Aaru, very good post ... I think I should have analysed today's episode fully after all ... there were quite a few points in the Shyam-Khushi scene ;)
DeleteYes, one very important thing happened - Khushi has realised she can't do it alone ... Nani panicked the first time she told her about Arnav being missing, so she won't go to her ... will she actually go to Mami?
Mami is very sharp - everyone else is relieved by Arnav's phone call, but Mami has picked up that it hasn't made Khushi any happier at all ... hence the question as to what did he say on the phone ... now did Mami overhear Khushi telling the PDA that her husband is missing?
What stumped me was the lines Khushi was pondering on ... she should have pondering on the "hum puraane kaagzat se kaam chala lenge" rather than the "aapke aansoo uske liye behte hain jo aapko itna dard deta hai ..."
I thought her love realisation is a done deal, she should get on with the detectivegiri now ... those words made me feel she's thinking more about Shyam, that he also cares for her, yet she loves Arnav ... but will that lead her anywhere? Like that's why he's getting Arnav out of the way? Any thoughts, anyone?
Will have to wait and watch ... again :)))
By the way, keep forgetting to say this - I love Khushi's new hairstyle, with her bangs free, and her hair falls more silkily now ... looks much more natural.
Actually, Khushi has not considered him dangerous, so there is this delay in connecting the dots....frankly, just becos someone likes u when married does not mean that they will be lethal...so as to get somebody out of the way........he has been pretty okwith her except in the last few days and that one sangeet occasion/holi day
DeleteIt may require her to hear something...thats my feeling....
decoding today's episode:
ReplyDelete- so the CVs have established why ODG will go hunting for her husband alone - (if NK is to join - that will come in later)
Family: no, all are too emotionally attached to ASR, would panic, specially Anjali, hence family has to stay out of it
Police: high risk again - will involve family = possible hurt to Anjali - vetoed
Detective agency: Too expensive**
= KKG doing everything solo - well maybe not - Mami is def. a smart cookie and she will help if she feels ASR is in trouble - Mami might be money minded and all that but her heart is in the right place - and she genuinely loves ASR and Aji -
So if prediction on NK coming back is true - mami could be the one calling NK to help KKG
- loved the Shyam/KKG confrontation - true to his slimy character - he taunts her (he knows the truth bet the couple - or so he thinks ;)) - he taunts her - "why do you need the phone - as if YOUR Arnavji is going to call!"
it touches a nerve and causes her to tear up - now he cant bear that - "how can you cry for the guy who does not care for you - has given you more worries than i have - you cant stand my touch - you punish me, but him - he gives you tears and yet no punishment to him - why???
loved her response - looks all confident - dries up her tears and says - 'you really don't know???'....(leaving this unsaid)... you don't know that i love him - that i am his!! - that we are a couple and what he does is his right ...
RRR sees the truth in ODG's eyes and has to let go - she really does believe she is 'his' (as in ODB's :D)
she then bring up the paper - says for a moment i thought you wanted to talk of the papers you were so eager to get - now what happened? - he is so rattled by her obvious love for ASR that he withdraws with an excuse and looses it with his wife!
This kind of brings me to the point i made earlier today - i have a feeling Creepwa alone (no blast from the past) is behind all this - he wants ASR alive coz he wants to not only take away his money but also rub his nose in the ground - wound his pride - show ODB how he now owns everything - ODB's house, his money, his wife! - hence RRR wants ASR alive for now
(**here i cannot but help but say - what is wrong with the CVs? do they have to have every non KKG/ASR moment morphed in comedy - that too bad comedy - why was a badshah style DA shown - could it not have been a proper serious one - they too would have been expensive!- this i where our Indian serials loose out to Pakistani ones - they are def. better at this sort of balance)
Mona, Dia,
DeleteI could relate to Dia's comment on Shyam...perhaps that was intended by CVs.....(now!)
The one complaint that i have had with CVs is that while ASR has pretty much been kept in character thruout..TF and ODG have suffered the brunt of poor characterisation....
1) TF was shown to be obsessed with Khushi in the earlier stages so much so that he was willing to live a dual life, even risking being caught out by the R/GH family....
2)yes, we were told that he holds money dear during the Bauji-Shyam confrontation but even at that stage his obsession for K came thru...
3)when he was caught out by Khushi, he started looking at ways to eliminate Anji....presumably he was choosing Kh over money
4)Then came the biggest butcherisation, suddenly he chose money over Khushi...no explanations whatsoever..
5)Further, he was almost absent after the earth-shaking event of ASR_Khushi marriage...
6)Then he slowly started to get villainous...but even here there seems to be some doubts...
Is he a villain who does not know what he wants more and if so, how does he expect for things to turn better for him knowing Khushi's inclination to support righteous path always?
These are the reasons why every now and then we will read him rightly or wrongly...as his character is no longer clear to us...If CVs want some sympathy for him at this late stage, they should have lain the path for it earlier...(not that he will get any)
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Rekha, Mona: All the characters including ASR who mostly escaped for a long time now look a pale version of themselves:(
DeleteYou know now they have a bank of 3 episodes, the whole team should watch the major episodes from June-December...And if you think june-decemeber, each episode had something special and start from there. Character growth is one thing, but the essence should not change right?
Rekha et all
Deleteactually i don't agree - Shyam has been pretty consistent as a character. see it was always clear that money was, is and always will be his driving force - yes he is obsessed with KKG - but only to the point of lusting after her - he was never ready to walk out on Anjali for her - so as you have stated:
even during the shyam/ babuji confrontation - he made it very clear - khushi he 'wanted' but was not ready to give up anjali (read her money) for her.
Next point - him trying to eliminate Anjali - tha',s just why he had to eliminate her - he still would have access to her money if the wife died under unfortunate circumstances - the family loved him and he would have continued living his regular life of easy - if he had chosen KKG over Anjali - he could have walked out at any time - but no - money was the driving force always.
- finally - him getting villainous - he always was - but he is an intelligent slimy bugger - so he always tried to worm into everyone's good books - why cause trouble when smooth talking can get you everything - only when things get out of control does he show his true colours - look back at all his encounters - first with babuji, then KKG then ASR - continued to be 'sickly sweet kinds' till his character was exposed to them - then he was - all villain - through and through
so no - i really cant sympathize with him - hate him - and coz he is the villain - that is a good thing :)
Reading Mona's and Rekha's comments ...
Deletecan someone remember when did he start the Anjali killing attempts? and when did he stop?
As far as I remember, he started them while Arnav didn't know of his truth ... and stopped them after the wedding immediately ... now that would make sense, because as long as Arnav did not know of his truth, he knew he would be heir to his wife's money when he died.
The moment Arnav knew of his truth, if he killed Anjali, Arnav would make sure no money came for him ... so he vacillated for a while, wondering what to do ... thought maybe Arnav IS giving him a second chance, realised that whatever money he was still getting from Arnav was now cut off ... and therefore switched to more dangerous games - i.e change Arnav's will and bump him off ... makes sense?
So for this part, he is in character ...
But why is he attempting to pursue Khushi right under Arnav's nose? If it was ONLY about the money, and Khushi was married to Arnav for whatever reason, he would give up on Khushi and not pursue her right under Arnav's nose.
But he always wanted BOTH money and Khushi ... don't want to call it love, but it's not all lust either ... it's as much a possessiveness as Arnav's, but cloaked in much more sinister antics ...
Why do we justify Arnav marrying Khushi to keep her away from Shyam ... because Arnav loves her ...
and not justify Shyam wanting to marry Khushi and trying to sow doubts and dissension between her and Arnav even though they are married?
BOTH are guilty of not bothering about what - or who - Khushi wants ... not just Shyam ...
And that is why I did feel for Shyam in that little Anjali scene ...
Arnav loves Khushi because she challenges him, fights him, brings him to life ... she never asks to be pampered or wrapped in cotton wool, she is his equal, his match ...
Shyam has fallen for that same spirit in Khushi, her fighting spirit, her never say die spirit ... as opposed to the weakling that Anjali is ...
If my husband snapped at me just after I saw him lose his temper on someone on the phone, my first reaction would not be to pout or sulk, it would be to realise he's in a bad mood, an deal with that carefully and understandingly, not throw another tantrum of my own, because he snapped at me. I'd ask him what the problem was, if I could help, and if he said to stay out of it, to tell him, relax, it will get sorted out ...
And that's why I did feel a little for Shyam in that scene ... and the cv's have to show that ... that he cares for Khushi in his own way ... otherwise the whole premise of his wanting Khushi and money both is lost.
Dia - to your first point - yes he tried to kill anjali when ODG knew about his marriage and before ASR knew - so agree with you there.
DeleteAnd also agree that he wants BOTH money and KKG - hence, stay married to Anjali and take advantage of KKG
That's he always tried underhanded stuff - trying to take advantage of her - hold her hand types and he actually has never talked of his love for her - as in if you are in trouble - let me help you - lets run away.. (in fact that's why KKG had said - if you love me, why don't you leave Anjaliji - she knew he was a creep - wanted to have both!)
Finally - he was actually the only one who had an inkling as to how serious things were between ODB&G earlier (remember the bindi and his statement on the terrace)
SO he knows she will never leave ASR - (He also does not know of the 6 months clause) Hence he is not bidding his time - for all he knows, she is married for life.
So for him ASR has to be out of the picture - both for Anjali's money and having KKG in a vulnerable place
Hence he had not been pursuing KKG in earnest for the past couple of months - remember we were commenting on how lame he had become - he was not bothered that his lady love was living with another man - he was hardly there - only once ASR was out of his hair - did he start this again
- finally - as to KKG being his equal - sorry do not agree again - he started his cheating part way before KKG matched her wits against his - his was a purely 'love her beauty' kind of love
for your point on both men being similar - agree, both men are guilty of wanting KKG without thinking of what she wants - but here ODB is different - he would never harm ODG - even when he is married to her and in love with her - he would/could never think of misusing his position - despite almost giving in to temptation during diwali!
TF - would he have shown such restraint?? i don't think so
TF never took advantage of her during his entire stay at GH, not even when he was officially her fiance. Okay, that was for his own reasons - he was playing good boy to the hilt, but even after engagement, when he had khuli choot to some extent, sanctioned by Buaji, he was pretty decent.
DeleteAnd he fell in love with her beauty first, and later with her zest for life too ... he loved to see her take so much pleasure in the simple things of life, like eating chaat ...
However, I agree with you completely that that doesn't make his 'love' justifiable at all ... because of the big deceit he practiced knowingly, deliberately for more than six months. People do fall out of love in marriage, that's why divorces and extra-marital affairs happen ... and all marriages are not happy ones ...
But Shyam's intentions were never honorable ... if he was really, genuinely in love, he should be ready to divorce Anjali and marry Khushi legally - he never had any intention of doing that ever. He had full intention of marrying her illegally and keeping her as biwi no 2 on the side. So deceit ALL the way ... and that is what put him well and truly in the wrong, way before his attempts on babuji's and Anjali's lives ...
Which is the biggest point where he differs from Arnav ... Arnav, even hating her for what he thought she was doing to his sister, gave her the position of his wife legally and in front of his family and the world.
He said he wouldn't ... but he did.
He did it for his own reasons, but he did ...
He could have forced her to live in with him under the pretext of being his wife, but he did that sindoor and MS marriage in the temple ... because he knew she believed in it.
So similarities between the two men yes ... but lots of differences too ... and those differences are in the things that really matter, in their neeyat ...
mona, very well said... and i agree. the basic difference between the two is that ASR is ruthless but honest.. and snakewa has no such qualms.
Deletemona and dia, i mean. ... also ASR is ruthless and righteous... not honest.
DeleteDia,
DeleteYes, we have even commented on this earlier as well, that ODB is not the typical hero...what makes him hero is his neeyat, as u rightly pointed out...(also, he is better looking than Shyam, a must for any love story..hehehe)
The villain in a love story is the one with the bad neeyat otherwise frankly there is nothing really that differentiates two men in love with the same woman to a viewer....atleast
Rekha, yes, very true ... the neeyat and the means used ... villain said he wanted marriage, but was actually going in for bigamy or affair in disguise... hero said he wanted live-in affair, but went in for marriage ;)
DeleteAnd the looks ... heck yes, they matter, they matter a lot!!! *ROFL*
Dia, shall i tell u something?
DeleteThis was a comment from my daughter after y'day epi and the particular scene we are discussing ...(that scene of Shyam arnav giving more pain and Khushi liking him more!)
She rarely watches IPK but happened to be in the room y'day
I did not know whether to laugh or cry after her comment
"simple, Arnav is better looking than Shyam"
For a moment i was stumped...and said to her...lets hope that in REAL life, the Real Heroes are better looking than villains...else i am worried about this generation's decision making powers " She asked me"mama, are there villains in real life?"
That was a tougher question to answer.....tho i did to the best of my ability...
Hence this post on neeyat was very topical and had resonance for me...
Jaya - thanks
DeleteDia - exactly - ODB cannot be equated with TF (looks aside:D)
and yes i would say he TF took advantage of KKG - the worst kinds - lied to her about his married status - made her feel he was doing it all for 'her family'
ODB - he would never do that - aaww he is a good hero ;)
totally random:
ReplyDeleteis it only me or does anyone else feel that this is curious - on the one hand the Raizadas (read nani) did not like La because she wore revealing clothes but when her own favorite bahu wears an almost backless blouse - its ok - her clothes now: the neckline is getting deeper and the sleeves are disappearing - but its a suit - so its supposed to be ok?
ha ha...good find.. The suits look decent though..compared to short dresses.
DeleteMona,
DeleteU have a point there...as it is nani's character has undergone some change since La days....and to be fair, she had accepted La as her bahu-to-be....it was those warming-up-to-La days...we thot of her as a serious matriarch then and soon saw her break into dance and song o la la o la la!!
A suit is a suit and a dress is a dress ... :)))
DeleteI think it's a matter of how you view it - for us, a sari is graceful, elegant and the most formal outfit ... for others, it can be revealing and immodest ... same with a suit vs a dress. Besides, La's dresses were all sleeveless, and had low fronts and backs ... and exposed arms and legs - that's a hell of a lot more skin show than even the most deep necked suit :)))
And Nani basically had a problem with La's attitude, with her agreement to the living-in arrangement and not wanting marriage - the rest was all excuses to justify that attitude ... once La reformed, Nani also asked her to dance at Payash's engagement, which was supposed to be her own too.
Hi,
ReplyDeleteI am new to this serial and enjoying it so much. This blog is so wonderful. But I dont get all the abbreviations you use. Can you please clear for me.
Like MU, RM, CV..??
~Arnav fan
Pallavi,
DeleteWelcome to the blog!
MU- Misunderstanding
RM - Raizada Mansion
CV - Creatives - the writers of the show.
If you click on the IPKKND Members link at the top right of the page, you'll find a post with most of the acronyms we use regularly. I try to update it every now and then ... and everyone adds their own creations there too :)
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ReplyDeleteI found an interested link and want to share with you all..This lists down all the mast and sexy English dialogues from ASR..
ReplyDeletehttp://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1953371
Can we create a new list.
Hey Pallavi
ReplyDeleteWelcome
Gals here is a post message from Gautam Hegde the writer of IPK
http://www.facebook.com/ipkkndfp
liked what he wrote..
Aaru,
DeleteCurrently most of the so called online people he is targeting are on their side. There is pretty much universal appreciation that despite barun, the episodes have improved, there is story movement.
So my guess is Channel fired them up, they are pressing the panic button and lashing out at us.
If the online audience does not constitute the TRP audience, why even bother to justify?
I agree with most of the thing he said, but now is not the time, why do you want to antagonise the people who are actaully supporting you in this tough time?
Hmm ... the guy seems upset ... obviously, TRP's are falling and they are really trying their best ... but then, they got feedback all through the comedy track that it wasn't working, and the fall in TRP's started then, why did they take so long to rework them?
DeleteDo agree with him to a certain extent ... obviously they want the best for the show, they do put in their best ... but they did stretch the MU for three months unnecessarily, that is a mistake they made, without having a good plan to show for those three months of marriage ...
The GH track was a good idea, but they ruined it by making Khushi out to trouble Arnav ... instead they could have kept it light by showing the problems he faces there, but not making Khushi responsible for those problems ... like the water goes as he goes to take a bath, not that Khushi purposely delays him till it goes ... little things like that ...
And giving him glimpses of the girl she is , playful, yet responsible ... instead of making her a crackpot ... Indian audiences don't like to see a woman troubling her husband, however justified she might be ...
So yes, he's defending his show, but they went wrong, they made mistakes ... and they didn't rectify those mistakes fast enough - they withdrew Bubbly so quickly, why didn't they make Khushi a little more sensible equally quickly? They lost a chunk of their audience at that time ...
I saw a few eisodes of BV ... honestly, the bright costumes and overloaded jewelery make me want to gag ... but the girl is saintly sweet ... unfortunately that's what the TRP audience wants! Okay, don't go that extreme, but don't make her a fruitcake either ...
I always felt that in the post marriage track, by wanting to make Arnav come out smelling of roses - he's so good, so sweet, such a good son-in-law, they compromised Khushi's character needlessly, and that's what lost them their audience. Arnav could have gone on being mean, that was his nature, and reformed very slowly ... but Khushi HAD to be kept intact ... which they didn't do. The heroine is the most important person in an Indian soap.
Anyway, I do feel the guy hit a spot when he said they churn out 5 half hour episodes a week - it's 22 minutes x 5 = 110 minutes - which is almost 2 hours. Yep, so a mini movie a week - that IS hard work. And you can't get it right all the time, which is why they resort to lazy writing sometimes.
Interesting that they do have two shooting teams ... but again, those GH days, ArHi were on screen almost 15-18 of those 22 minutes, now Sanaya is on screen for over 15-16 minutes a day ... their parallel tracks need major work. Arey, humse ideas le lo ... we gave them so many ... :)))
And I agree 100% with Shwetha's reply too ... the online audience has shown almost universal appreciation for the current track, why is he lashing out at us? Wrong target ...
DeleteShwetha, agree isn't it good that they get feedback. It only means people love what they do. Well I hope and pray that they'll takes us to a whole new level. I love this show and will continue to love it. ~cheng
Deletei am really impressed to see that someone from the CVs took the time to defend their stand.. it shows that somewhere, this serial has a feedback loop via its online presence. yes, they check IF, yes, they play on fb.. what other serial has that?
Deleteit would have been a great thing.. if the audience was 20 or 30.. but with an (online)active fanbase of thousands if not more, think about the number of emails they get! most of them must be bashers..
yes, here at R&R, we are (mostly) sane, try to give constructive comments, congratulate the CVs when something goes well.. but i think the fb commenters (from what i have seen) bash them when they are down, but dont say anything when they do good work! (most drool over barun and sanaya, the CV is right!!)
I think that post by gautam hegde was a good thing.. especially towards the teen crowd... make them think a bit.
..that is, if any of them read the full post :D
DeleteJaya: LOl if they read the whole post.
DeleteDia: The timing is wrong. If it is directed at FB audience or even at IF, where at times limits do get crossed, why do they even take it seriously. Why not ignore them? Rather than getting riled up and irritate the people who are supporting them.
Take IF for example, I see mostly positive posts on how CVs are managing despite Barun's absence, how everything is improving, encouraging each other to watch and not give up and earnest discussion on the story and characters.
Cheng: They are the first people who probably log into forums like IF to gauge the fans reaction, why do you think spoilers are released online only and not offline? You have people giving out various spoilers for tracks to see audience reaction, so they are the peopel benefiting from the instant feedback. God knows maybe Star Plus must have given them a dressing down, no wonder he has to take it out.
Jaya, exactly! So instead of him ranting then just go and improve the story. Him and bs are exactly alike! lol! Both don't know what to prioritize. Sigh.. So sad that this is happening. ~cheng
DeleteI mean shweta sorry my mistake.;)
Deletekhushi...speed up Arnav rescue process and m also thinking maybe Mami will call NK for help...he might enter as hotwa detective after all..
ReplyDeletenothing much happened last night's episode to discuss..so some random thoughts sharing with you all...
as you girls have predicted khushi will be badly hurt while rescuing Arnav at the end of this kidnapping track...Arnav begging DM for Khushi's life..some FBs of what Di and Khushi said to him earlier...finally DM will help ODB (as Sanaya is not leaving the show)...Khushi come out of the jaws of death...Arshi romantic moments we all are dying to see...ODB - ODG lost in their own world(as was during wedding track when S tried to kill Anji so many times)...AND then some of Shyam's EVIL plan will work and harm Anjali and/or baby in some way(maybe a miscarriage)...
i think this will lead to Khushi moving out of RM and Arnav letting her go , hence punishing himself for not taking proper care of his Di...
Anji will not know anything about S as of now...her knowing and reaction(whether she blame khushi and again Arshi to stay separate for sometime for Di's happiness) will happen sometime later i suppose...(his promise to DI on Rakhi will come to picture then - apki Khushi ke liye main apni Khushi qurbaan kar doonga )....
I was going through SG Hangout on IF - the first few pages are usually good ... have given up on Redux, it has become too abstract and esoteric for me ... plus the ladies there are too dogmatic about what they want to see. For me, the charm of the show is in analysing what we see ... the moment we put our own expectations in, we're bound to be disappointed if things don't go the way we thought they would go.
DeleteAnyway, on the SG Hangout, someone had posted that the cv's are working on a redemption and regret track for Arnav, so we will definitely get it. So am sure Khushi will get hurt during the rescue attempt ... and it will be clear to Arnav that if he had believed her, none of this would have happened.
What I'm wondering is - will Arnav let her go? Or will he go to GH with her? Especially after that phone call, where we saw Shyam sliming his way back into the family circle, and Khushi apart on the phone with Arnav - just the two of them outside that circle ...
And will the rest of the family come to know about Shyam? Or will Shyam convince them this was all a trap laid by Khushi and the G ladies ... leading to Payal also being banished ... and again, Arnav is the only one who believes them and goes with them ... Anjali being angry either that he hid things from her, or that he's siding with his wife ... she got angry with Khushi - how dare you hide something about Chotey from me?! Could she not ask the same question to Khushi and Arnav ... how could you hide things about my husband from me?!
But Mami seems to trust Khushi now ..
ah well, let's see how the cv's take this ... there are quite a few ways it could go ...
Shwets agree with you that why justify now? Exactly my point although most of the viewers don’t understand the CV’s POV and lash out, and it was good on his part to clarify that, but again it isn’t the time. For me the only thing that was lax from Cv’s/ PH or more so from GH is the OTT comedy of Khushi stretching over two months. That is only thing where they weren’t quick to fix it, but that’s how Gautam H is, who thinks OTT works to keep the MU long time. And shewts they have been doing this with their previous show too ,when the Online viewers go ballistic they come and clarify and give reason, but hardly works in their favour.
DeleteDia agree with you on the analysis part. Yes for me coming to R & R is more to understand and analysing what we see, I do wish and expect in a way which the story goes but it’s never the “ will or want” for the story to go that way. More over for me its more logical and dilogical analysis.
As I said from the way they have indicating danger to Bitwa’s life, Khushi has to get hurt, may be just a little bruise is all that she might get, but that’s more than enough for ASR to lead RTRW. Now like you , I think it’s Khushi and Arnav’s decision to walk out together and more I think- it will be Arnav who will take the lead, Shyam will be back into the family circle and it will be again , Arhi's decision to keep the secret away from Anjali. And yes Anjali Jha should ask the questions to both arnav and Khushi, which should make Arnav to leave along the Gupta’s. Shyam might lie low for some time but will sure start again once the 6th month contract ends.
And if he hasn’t joined the hands now with the chacha he might do that later.
Dia,
DeleteMany posts ago..we did have some part of this discussion, Gargi was part of it mainly...about propriety in such matters...(there will be no stories if propriety is followed, that's quite another matter!)
Yes, Anji can turn back and say that it is my cross to bear...u had no right to hide that from me...esp to Arnav....or for that matter to anyone in R family(now Khushi included)....Akash can say the same to Payal....nani can say the same to GH family at the time of alliance....its a long list...phew...
got it girls...
Deleteputting expectations is not right(must not say what i want to see or what should happen)...sorry for that..
lets see how story moves...and analyse what we see..
Hi Dia - read your edit - interesting -
ReplyDeleteI for one do not feel sorry for VLR - yes, he cannot show his real side to his wife - but why? not coz of Anjali - he has been married long enough to know how to handle her - you see, he is a creep - who only married her coz of the money (that she was sweet and considered him the next thing to God only helped i am sure!) - but his primary basis was money - it was never love - never the wish to ‘connect’ with her - hence the false sickly sweet talk at all times - enough to keep her happy and get what he wants - money and time away from her when he needs it (am pretty sure he is the kind of slimy bugger who has a few amorous encounters just on the go!!) – had he been in love at any point in history = he would have let his guard down and let her in – in fact if you look at the old ASR / RRR scenes – he was manipulative with him as well – he did not have to be a smooth talker with ASR – he could have spoken in a different way – a man to man kind of way but he was always that slimy way of getting things done and appearing the hero! So can’t blame Anjali completely for him not showing his true self – that was his duplicity – not her inability to handle his ‘anger’
oh and to add - don,t think Anjali was sulking - did not get to the stage - he backtracked faster - she was just shocked for a second - anyone would be for having their head bitten off for no reason - all she was doing was asking like any normal wife - 'Whats wrong?'
DeleteMona, I agree Shyam married Anjali for her money, but if she was a normal wife, he could have fallen in love with her and been happy with her too ... why did he look outside his marriage at all? Beautiful rich wife, loving in-laws who respect him, are non-demanding, all they want is that he look after their daughter ... he even has financial support from his BIL ...
DeleteEven during the scorpion track, I said this - hers is a smothering type of love. And she's expert at emotional blackmail and pretty manipulative in her own way ... of course, he's the master manipulator, and married her for her money in the first place anyway ...
I'm not justifying his actions, not at all :))) All I'm saying is that Anjali is NOT the ideal wife, and in that scene, I could quite understand Shyam's frustration - my hubby would have bitten my head off if I started moping and sulking like that when he snapped ... and I would not react like that in the first place!
Ah at last we have a proper promo for the track .... Arnav at gunpoint/struggling and khushi worried that something is definitely wrong which she needs to find out ASAP.
ReplyDeleteMona,
Khushi was pondering after VLR left and before MB entered not during the scene.
Dia,
ReplyDeleteWas working late yday, missed the epi. Logged in this morning to realize there seems to be an all out war on many fronts. I am going to go on internet vanvaas for a while with IPK. Else I may just stop watching the show altogether and I do not want to do that just yet because that one song this week gives me hope for a beautifully written and enacted scene which I want to keep and wish that the scene leaves me spellbound just like Holi.
Tumko bhi hai khabar
DeleteMujhko bhi hai pataa
Ho raha hai judaa
Donon ka raasta
Door jaake bhi mujhse
Tum mere yaadon main rehna
Kabhi Alvida Na Kehna
Kabhi Alvida Na Kehna
Sandy,
DeleteWhose rasta is going judaa now....I hope not urs and R&R...
Though i wrote a crib post a few mins ago, i have resolved do one thing....i am resolving to stop complaining about what is on offer on IPK.(if i don't,please make sure to remind me!!)
I read the post by GH.while i want to empathise with their sitaution, i have to say this, in a way the IPK success was also frankensteinish...i wish it did not catch the fancy of so many people who only wanted to see a gud story unfold on screen...somewhere we got very attached to these characters and even actors...and our expectations went sky high..
Probably, it was then when the story started to get the short shrift...The PH, CVs today may not want to admit that they have not stuck to their original vision in their aim to please all quarters...or the fact that censure will come with high praise...In a way, the last comment from GH was a bit telling....almost a plea from him to focus on bigger issues than IPK...I would have loved to see this last comment on SJ in his post when the IPK show is being heaped with praise...Well,all forms of entertainment will exist, it is the viewer's choice on what to choose to be attached to...
I forgot to add one thing..
DeleteI certainly do not want advice from CV(s) on what should be my choice of entertainment...It was bit rich coming from them
Sandyyyyyyy ....
Deletewhere are you going???? Why are you going???? Not on vanvaas from R&R ... you're not allowed to do that!
Do the vanvaas from the spoilers and interviews from cast and crew ... like I said above, they all seem to have foot in mouth disease, and that iv from GH is bad timing ... smells of panic in the backroom after the latest TRP's ...
This too shall pass :)))
Sandy - what what what???? how can you go on vanwaas??? you cant - and what war? we are not waring - we are discussing *trying to show innocent puppy face* -
Deleteand agree with Dia - if you want a vanwaas - do it from the spoilers and sbs type stuff - i have done so and am enjoying the serial at peace now :D
please please don't say you will not be around - know you are busy with work and family - hey but we are family too - you cant ditch us
C&P My Lamba bak bak on GH:
ReplyDeletePart 1
4 Lions got their scriptwriter to defend the show?
Right now everyone is patiently waiting for Barun to resume shooting, infact over the last few weeks the praise for the CVs has been unanimous...Despite Barun's MIA, Episodes wise the current ones are much better than when Barun was around.
If at all there is talk of mismanagement, Deviation from what it was earlier, the criticism is fair right. There is mismanagement, Any show has an average bank of 1 week episodes, it is I guess the industry standard.
Similarly, In a daily soap goofups occur but here it has been of epic proportions. Helicopter to Handpump, Sensible to Foolishness, Dragging the mundane and rushing through the important stuff.
So their A** is on fire with the dripping TRPs, there is panic and it shows and at a time when everyone is actually on their side at the moment encouraging and supporting that they are doing a good job.
Timing of this whole thing is mismanaged...again.
Part 2
There is a crisis. Yes, most of it of their own accord. You can't put the blame on character deviation on someone else..
The whole confession scene (Sorry I am bringing this again):
ASR has been a selfless character towards his family and Khushi. Teri Meri just as an example. So if he indeed loved her and he knew he was going to die, he would rather die in the knowledge that he loved her and let her think he still hated her so she could move on in life.
And not burden her with the ILU at that time.
This is how I have perceived ASR. He would think of her first than him.
Yet, ILU happened, Why?
Ofcourse there are external factors involved, no one is denying that, but here is the thing, if you say it is just a show, it is a product right, When I go to Buy Pepsi, You think I want to know the operational difficulties of the product. No I am concerned with the end product. If it is good, I will continue to buy it, if it is not, It is Bye Bye.
AT THIS MOMENT, PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE is rallying around the IPK Team, I could understand if this had come during the OTT track, cos then the anger would have been justified. Here we all are trying to encourage and support them and we get a rant
Part 3
DeleteI wonder what would they do if the Forums or people stopped commenting online. How will they get their feedback?
Yes you can say, TRP will be an indication, then why isnt the interview being published offline as it should have been? Why give an explanation to the online audience if we are so damn shortsighted, biased or whatever.
We do matter, atleast accept that. No one wants to run them down just for the heck of it. Yes, sometimes the language used by people can put you off, but shouldn't you know who to take seriously and who not to?
He says it is on star plus and hence family has to be included. THERE WAS FAMILY From June to November.
Where has the family gone now since Jan?
As for the technical shots, barring the intelluctuals who understand the aesthetics of all this, for the layperson, he does not go too much into all this.
We do comment on Editing blooper, cos they are jarring. Continuity as they are jaarring.
Suddenly there is a bank of episodes, when even till last month they were shooting just a day before. So obviously the bank is being created cos someone is taking charge.
When you know an actor is going on leave especially who is your lead YOU WILL be expected to have a bank of that actor's scenes right. So we ask why there is no bank and it is our fault. Chalo it is our fault, Who is suffering.
The show, its Trps, Whose loss is it at the end of the day. We are attached to the show, if it goes off air, we will miss it for a few weeks and then we will move on right.
The creative team of the show will also move on their show. The whole point is you have immense goodwill why arent you using it to your advantage?
For 2 Weeks we had news of Barun's movie everywhere...So even if I was not online, From the papers I would know that Barun is absent for 40 days and If I am a Arhi fan, I would Know there will be no progress on that account. A part of me will also think , jab Arnav nahin tha, story didnt move, toh ab kya hoga, they will only show fillers till he comes back right.
The smarter ones will see this as an opportunity and hope that they make up for his absence with great episodes and it is what happened?
Sooo Why this Rantveri Di at a time when the support for the Team is at its peak.
What was the one thing that triggered it, I would really love to know!
Dam Shwets that's real big one girl! Hope they read even these feedbacks to understand the real one ask them to read R&R lol!
DeleteShweths...true very true
DeleteUr post hit the nail on the head...
duniya ka dastoor hain...
Praise is always more welcome than censure....
Very true, Shwets ... but I differ on the ILU ... I think that was the feeling on Redux - they didn't like the ILU for whatever reasons ... I didn't read that Redux, but I got that from the next day's post ...
DeleteThat thing about leaving her with hate so that she would find it easier to carry on with her life ... nope, it doesn't work for me at all. Too filmy - been used in too many movies and shows - I think in DABH, the husband was doing exactly the same thing to make his wife ask for a divorce because he thought that was what she wanted ... TOO cliched!!!
ASR is essentially a very truthful person, so his wanting to tell her ILU that when he thinks he might not make it, works much better for me. And his Di's words would hold more import at this time - don't leave it too late to tell the person you love, otherwise it might be too late ...
Besides when he left her, she was begging for another chance ... and he started to think whether she was genuine or not as he was leaving ... he was probably on the way back to ask her that when he was kidnapped. Even from that context, he's leaving her with the feeling that he believed her ... again works for her, otherwise he would leave her with bitterness and defeat. And he hates Khushi's defeat.
Thirdly, we haven't seen his mindset ... we don't know whether he has had his mentos moment or not ... and realised she is actually innocent ... if he had, again, he would want to tell her that ... because he would realise then the extent of damage he had done .. the least he could do would be to make up even slightly ...
Fourthly, as we said in the beginning ... a message ... that all is NOT well ...
I don't agree that it's a sign of his giving up, and that he wouldn't ask help from her, he's too proud ... is that what was said on Redux? That's the gist I got. And he HAD to say something for her to get the wind up, for the story to progress too ... besides, she is the only one to whom he has ever shown his vulnerability, the only one from whom he might ever ask help - he already did once when he spoke to her about his mother.
The rest about what GH said ... I do agree with you ... I'm really confused with why GH came out with this right now. Bad timing, sounds more like making excuses for poor TRP's ... well, TRP's haven't declined overnight, they've been slipping slowly, and in the final week of IPL, when they tried frantically to revive the show with sensible stuff, they had already lost a chunk of their audience. They would have lost that chunk anyway during this week, but it became more apparent, because the base had already diminished. They got feedback during the earlier tracks, they never took it seriously, they got carried away by ArHi mania and felt that would carry the day ...
besides, the writer labelling Khushi as weird, was the death knell to me ... if the writer of the show could not understand one of the lead characters, then there was no hope ... and that's exactly what happened. They're pulling her back now ... and the TRP's did show a slight improvement that first week, they slid again - more because of the hoopla about Barun's absence and the feeling that the story would stagnate again, I think - plus the final week of IPL.
They dragged the MU for FAR too long, they should have started the kidnap track way earlier, so that when the news of Barun's movie came out, they could issue a statement, that hey guys, you're worrying needlessly, Barun is already finished with his movie shooting and you didn't notice his absence in IPK because the track was built that way.
Dia,
DeleteWanted to zip my lips...but that means not writing on R&R....more diffi than giving up IPK...
So bear with me girls...
The ILU is not without logic....As viewers we do not know ASR's journey from the airport to the current destination..
Frankly too much emphasis is always placed on these words in any love story.
For ARHI, these words are not the only thing that embodies their love.ASR telling Khushi ILU was in many ways a natural progression in the state that they parted. Even if he said this becos he may never get a chance to see her again...why should it be read as a sign of weakness in the character.....at the same time, given his nature, if he said ILU, he was plain and simple stating the truth...
Also, khushi sensing him in danger becos of that conversation is also natural..becos he has not parted from her in a happy state for her to accept it easily.This does not mean that she is doubting his love for her...Her FBs clearly indicate that she knows that he loves her but fights that emotion
At the same, how can any person call out for help in a phone conversation when he is in captivity? It would be upto people who know him best to work out that aspect, isn't it..which Khushi is doing rather well at the moment...
completely agree with u, ASR has been a very truthful person(except to Khushi in accepting his love for her)
Dia I really don’t understand the why some are upset about the ILU, for me it was perfect because of the last airport scene where in fact Bitwa turns around to go back to Khushi, if he hadn’t got the Holi FB’s and if his Dil hadn’t won over his Mind I wouldn’t have agreed to this ILU.
DeleteAs I have always said Bitwa has to understand and accept that his love is above his anger/hate, and he would accept his love only when he is about to lose Khushi to death. Reason he his ego/confidence that he can fight/control all other circumstance, but not death. All his close to saying it has been in those circumstance and it’s been always Khushi at stake, but this time it was said a loud because it was his life at stake, he didn’t know if he could ever say it to her. Not because he had resigned to fate but to his dil, to his love. If he had resigned from fighting he wouldn’t have tried to get the mobile. And like Rekha said “at the same time, given his nature, if he said ILU, he was plain and simple stating the truth...”
Shwetha, Dia, Aaru, Rekha
DeleteShwetha- agree with you on all except the ILU - Dia is bang on there - he had to tell her - for all the reasons stated
- Would also add one - ASR could never see ODG suffer - to think that all she did was meaningless - that she did not matter to him - so it was better that she knew she was loved too - if he never got back - she should know she was loved and appreciated and wanted, not the other way around - just imagine if he never came back and she had to think that the one man she loved did not think her 'worth it' or that he doubted her character - that would have been far more devastating that knowing that all her love was not wasted!
ps - needless to add - i loved the scene - very un-cliched! and very well acted by both leads :D
To add some more to this....sorry for spamming really...
DeleteLet me put it this way...
He was not in the normal state of mind..like other times, when they have had their tiffs. This situation was unique. He had a painful parting from her. To add to that, he was being held captive, he was speaking to the person he loves the most perhaps for the last time, and even if not for the last time, there was poignancy to that moment after her tears..So, apart from those three words...ILU, nothing else could have made sense......ILU by itself may be a cliched thing but not in this love story....
There were at an emotional crossroad, when they parted...what could he have said..."tum teekh ho"? would it have the effect of what then followed...considering Khushi's own admittance to herself about her feelings for Arnav? It would have been so bland otherwise; the ILU actually became an EPIC moment..
Mona - so long as 'clothes' are presented in desi style, all manner of transparency, cut-outs, embellishments are considered acceptable.............. go figure!
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i know - i for one find it weird - but then i am very conventional that a ways - be it a saree/suit/dress/pant shirt - its ok if its not revealing (not to say that people do not have the right to dress like that - just that i don't :D)
DeleteRepeats after Dia:
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I WILL NOT READ ANY SPOILERS OR MESSAGES FROM THE CAST OR CREW OF IPKKND
I WILL NOT READ ANY SPOILERS OR MESSAGES FROM THE CAST OR CREW OF IPKKND ...
Dia & Gals: On ILU, Okay I see the point there he wanted to convey she did mean a lot to him, I get that now thanks to you guys.
Look the moment it happened, I loved the actors and enjoyed the moment and then thought wait a minute, This is a huuuuuuuuuuge deal, not cos of they said ILU, cos it is the first positive step in their relationship they have taken and I wondered, what if Barun was not MIA, Is this how they would have gone about it. Honest Answer NO!!
So that left me a bit mad and disappointed when the actor was around you didnt use him properly. They have the moment, then gets kidnapped or he gets kidnapped when he was available, they shoot the bank episodes and when he goes missing just like they showed more of Sanaya when she was not in the country, they could have done something similar.
Hmm....Repeats after Dia and my mantra from now on..
I WILL NOT READ ANY SPOILERS AND MESSAGES FROM THE CAST OR CREW OF IPKKND
I WILL NOT READ ANY SPOILERS OR MESSAGES FROM THE CAST OR CREW OF IPKKND
I WILL NOT READ ANY SPOILERS OR MESSAGES FROM THE CAST OR CREW OF IPKKND ...
Shweths,
DeleteLast comment here before I move to the new post ...
We already said that Bitwa will say ILU only in a fit on anger or at gunpoint ... he is a man of action, not words :)))
Though how they would have gone about it if he had not been missing ... the same way or not ... really can't say. It would have been spoken under tension for sure ... can't imagine Bitwa doing a romantic 'under the stars' kind of ILU ... though he might do that as a repeat, when he's sure she loves him back. Our Bitwa is a bit of an emotional coward ... I mean that in a nice way :)