Biggest SHIDDAT ... don't destroy Khushi's or Arnav's character in VLR's return to RM! :))
Anjali is already destroyed ... chalega!
Less of Creepali scenes, more of Arhi, Akash-Arnav-NK ... heck, even Nani and Mami will be acceptable! Dadi also the lesser the better, as she has a one point agenda.
Would like to see more of the past unfolding from Garima's end ...a few flashbacks detailing the real 'other woman'? As it seems crystal clear that Garima was covering for someone else.
Sandy to get all sorted out in her AD and come back really soon .. SHIDDAT!!!
UJ to return as well ... UJ, you took one week's leave, where are you?
IPKKND to recover its magic, so that we can carry on discussing it :)
Recommendations for other shows, girls?
Anjali is already destroyed ... chalega!
Less of Creepali scenes, more of Arhi, Akash-Arnav-NK ... heck, even Nani and Mami will be acceptable! Dadi also the lesser the better, as she has a one point agenda.
Would like to see more of the past unfolding from Garima's end ...a few flashbacks detailing the real 'other woman'? As it seems crystal clear that Garima was covering for someone else.
Sandy to get all sorted out in her AD and come back really soon .. SHIDDAT!!!
UJ to return as well ... UJ, you took one week's leave, where are you?
IPKKND to recover its magic, so that we can carry on discussing it :)
Recommendations for other shows, girls?
Opti,
ReplyDeleteIn reply to your post on the last thread ... we reached 200, so am posting here.
I am completely with you on this. Yes, I agree Khushi can see Anjali recovering because of Shyam, so she thinks that maybe they should let him back in ... but it should be ONLY FOR DI! NOT because Khushi thinks he has reformed ... she has seen the worst side of him, a would-be murderer, HOW can she accept or even think that he could reform so easily? Which is why I wrote in my OS, that she and Arnav allow him back, but agree to keep an eye on him and what he's up to.
And my biggest grouse ... Shyam tried to hurt Arnav, who is her husband, her love, her life ... how can she put Arnav second to his sister? Agreed she wants Shyam back for Di, because Di's happiness is Arnav's happiness, but she can never forget that Arnav is the most important person for her ... even when she first discovered Shyam's truth, she kept quiet because it was Arnav's closeness to his sister that she remembered in her fb's ... meaning it was HIS shattering she feared more than even Anjali's. He has always been the most important person for her, his safety should be the most important thing in her mind, not just his happiness which is linked with Anjali's.
Just ONE sentence by Khushi ... ONE LINE ... saying that she doesn't trust Shyam yet, but they can give him a chance, for Di's sake, as long as they keep their eyes on him ... that's all I want!
I watched Gulaal too ... and I remember that part ... made much better by the fact that the actor who played the wicked BIL was a great actor and he WAS shown to have genuinely reformed. But still although Gulaal kept quiet about him, she never forgave him, because he had KILLED HER HUSBAND ... she could NEVER forgive him for that!
I didn't watch most of Geet so I don't know about Geet forgiving Dev ... but I watched a bit at the start, wasn't Dev a puppet in the hands of his scheming wife? And did the wife get punished? Anyway, I really hope the PH doesn't make the same mistake with Khushi that they made with Geet, by making her silly in their quest to make Arnav mahaan. Although right now, they don't seem to be making Arnav mahaan either ... the only person who's coming out smarter than all the rest is VLR! :(((
On that note, good night :)) Carry on the discussions here ... we have reached 200 on the previous one :)))
And add your shiddats please ... we need lots of shiddat force this week to save our show!
Dia,
DeleteYes, Dev was a puppet in his wife's hands and married Geet for money as his wife wanted him to but sleeping with Geet was his decision, not his wife's. When his wife questioned him about it, he slapped her. Now all of Geet's miseries come from that one night. She got pregnant, her family wanted her to abort the child once they came to know that Dev had duped them and she went against them, risking her life. Thanks' to Maan she got a new life but the entire Dev repentance track was very hollow and unbelievable. We never got to see him really suffer. When Geet decided to forgive him, I was one of the supporters of it because I saw it differently. Here is what I had written then about what forgiveness can really mean.
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1640384
The quote I liked the most was this.
"The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget." - Thomas S. Szasz, a Hungarian psychiatrist.
Unfortunately the way that track played out was nothing like what I expected. Geet seemed to have completely gotten over what had befallen her and Dev was accepted as family. There they turned Dev completely positive without any redemption. The guy did not even get legally punished for what he did. I doubt they can follow that route here but by showing Khushi thinking Shyam could have changed they have already shot themselves on the foot. I hope they do show justice being delivered.
Dia, in Gulaal, she did forgive her bro-in-law in the end but the guy had earned it by then and more importantly he willingly surrendered himself to the police.
You know, I never understand why Indian tv is so hell bent on showing women clinging to their baby even when the father is a scoundrel. I did see that part of Geet and I think that's when I gave up watching it in disgust ... WHY would a woman want to keep the baby of a man who duped her so badly? That's why I wasn't very heartbroken at Anjali losing her baby either ... any connection to Shyam is intolerable and it's just as well it snapped.
DeleteI loved the way they showed it in SGP ... Radha Bua was raped by a guy her husband sold her to, she got pregnant and she was desperate to get rid of the child ... the flashback scene there they showed her literally clawing at herself in disgust was simply amazing. And the way she treated the child was very realistic as well, every single moment he reminded her of her rapist so she could not stand him near her ... the boy grew up completely without a mother's love. It was much later when he found out the truth he tried to kill himself and then mother and son finally made peace with each other.
*sigh* I miss SGP ... Ishaan Suhana were cartoons, but the rest of the family and many of the tracks were great fun, and they all were such good actors!
But I agree they cannot show Shyam going the same way as Dev ... his sins are far too heinous. He needs to be punished.
Gulaal ... although I didn't like the concept of the show, or rather what it finally became, I liked the actors - Sushant Singh was so good that by the end, you wanted redemption for him ... his genuine repentance was beautifully shown. I think they made a mistake by making it a love story between Gulaal and Kesar - it should have remained a story of how she marries her BIL because of the circumstances, brings him up and then releases him to a woman his age. Making it a love story between them made it too regressive in my view. But that was another good show.
Dia,
DeleteThere is a difference between Geet and Anjali. Yes, she clung to the baby because she felt it was wronmg to take the life of the baby for the mistakes of the elders. Geet was not raped by Dev. She had willingly gave herself to the man she thought was her husband. Why should the baby be finished off because the father was a scoundrel? What was appalling is that her family wanted her to abort the child so that she can be married off to another man as though she was an unmarried woman. When she failed to comply with their wishes they tried to kill her in the name of preserving their honour.
In fact, I started watching Geet for her grit to keep the child at any cost and for a man to love her and accept the baby of another (at the time he did not even know that the other man was his bro). I simply loved the unconditionality of their love. That is why I could not digest the gruesome miscarriage after the weight they put on that baby.
I would have thought Gulaal-Kesar love story would be termed progressive, not regressive - older woman-younger man and all that. I like the way they showed their love story. It wasn't cliched and all along Gulaal was fighting an inner battle with herself before she finally gave in to her feelings. I watched that show on youtube when the show was nearly ending. The show excelled in all the depts - direction, the dialogues, the acting of the entire cast, the cinematography etc. As you said, I think the love-story did not go down too well for the traditional viewer.
Opti,
Delete"Anyone who had seen that show can relate to the revulsion we all had for that stupid track and since then the show just went down hill.":
I had posted a reply last time to what could've happened for the show behind the scenes(apparently Gul fought with the co-producers and was supposedly unhappy with that track) to go downhill.
And I can totally understand why you are venting so much when you were subjected to this.
For me, I'd have switched off Geet the moment she started pushinh her sister towards this idiot. That story really shows lack of creativity.
Opti, I'll tell you why I seem to be defending IPK so much.
When I watched it for the first time, it was around the K training La track. I DID NOT like what I saw- I felt it was too cliched- I used to change the channel after 5 minutes of IPK. So I don't even remember which episode of IPK I watched first. Khushi getting locked in the car- the whole trip-Arhi getting Payash together.. . there was nothing new I could find in this serial.
I was forced to sit down and watch IPK when my SIL came to stay with us for a few days...even now my son asks me why I am watching 'aunty's serial...what clicked for me was the pre- wedding romance..yes, there still was nothing new in the story..it was predictable..but I am thankful to my SIL for making me sit and watch IPK and appreciate the magic that is so many other things. I did not like K's characterisation right from the beginning:
1. Who gets herself locked up like that?
2. Which girl would marry someone on a dhamki of her sis' marriage breaking. K should've gone upto nani and told her the situation ASR was creating..should've known nani as the matriarch would've found a way...or at least put her foot down and say, "I'll marry you, but YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME THE REASON NOW", once Akash and Payal had married.
3. I kept telling, "Khushi- you idiot, get out of ASR's house just plain disappear somewhere, don't just sit there mopping"
I was PLAIN FRUSTRATED with this character...somewhere along the line I REALISED this:
I cannot expect her to think and act like me. She is not me.
And if I don't accept her as she is...there is no point in watching the show. Because it is not my story, it is Gul's story.
I KNOW there are people who think and act like Khushi...I don't agree with them, because it seems plain stupid to forgive someone just like that...but THIS is Gul's vision for her character. And there is a lot I can appreciate in the show. I admire the dialogue writer, the director for the way they've shot Grihpravesh, Heer Ranjha, Beauty and the Beast, Preeto's wedding (Khushi- Garima convo which I loved),highway Arhi confrontation, Airport scene, Khushi's dream...
DeleteI am the one who had max problem with the kidnap track, you can ask anyone here.Even there I loved the hut scene- the song they chose and the way it was picturised, Teri Meri 2 which was Arnav's introspection, Arhipathy....
Post kidnap- ASR blaming Khushi and that ride he took (yes, I liked it...because this guy is a brother also and he was blinded for a minute), biwi manaofy track, Suhaag Raat, Saat phere...
ALL THE ARHI SCENES AFTER THAT...
There are so many pluses that I see and they simply override the minuses for me.
Is it because my expectations are lesser than yours?
May be that is how you'd like to call it...
For me, the best serial on TV right now is the childbride.
You have to hand it down to the makers- perfect characterisation and the sinners get punished..they may be forgiven in the end, who knows? Thereis never a boring moment when I watch BV, never a head desk moment. The story flows so effortlessly in stark contrast to IPK. But I hardly watch 1 or 2 epi per week if I happen to come across it. Why? It simply does not have the same magic as IPK.
Maybe I concentrate more on the good things about IPK...and it is enough for me. If the PH makes the story go downhill I'll simply change the channel...they have not yet given me a reason to do so.
How is IPK going for you?
This is a Q my SIL asked me during the Heer Ranjha time.
My answer: I have to put up with some rubbish here and there, but when they hit it right...everything else is worth it.
I am willing to forgive a few Freaky fridays until that magic stops altogether.
The ride will never be smooth- yes, I have accepted it. It simply does not bother me that much.
But the moment I feel the characters are being murdered, even ARHI chemistry will not hold me back....may be we are headed towards that.
I really want to see how Gul is going to show Arhi separation without untying at least a little bit of the bond and trust that has already been formed. If she does that- kudos to her.
If she does not, I ‘ll see if it is acceptable enough for my sensibilities.
Let me tell you this,
DeleteThere are people like Anjali and Khushi in real life..people who act like them..they are not the most intelligent ones..but they simply follow what thier heart tells them to do...
This is why I don't find much fault with the characterisation (other than Anjali totally having forgotten her baby and shown to be manipulative in the last 2 epis... the CVs lost it...).
Khushi's brains are not at par with mine, but she has a really huge heart and I can only love her for it...
DeleteSu,
We are stuck with IPK for Arshi magic and nothing else. You may call it many things but at the end of the day that is all there is to it. I don't want to argue further on the subject of forgiveness or how they are portraying it. Lets leave it at that - agree to disagree here.
Opti,
DeleteI was not to trying to argue here, just tried to show you why it still works for me.
Even on Arshi magic:
it is not just Sanaya and Barun who creates it.
It is the writer who writes it , the camera man who shows us the right angles, the actors (god bless them ! 4 lions are indeed lucky to have these two) who give the right expressions and the director who MAKES SURE all these factors come together to make that magic. Haven't you seen YT videos where the actors (even superb ones like Sanaya and Barun) have to take multiple shots to get one scene right.
Also the reason why some RVs lack the passion- they are not written well- So, if Arshi has to click, everything has to work.
I really hope the magic stays on as long as the show goes on. *hugs*- it will, for the sake of all of us.
Su,
DeleteOn ur point of "I really want to see how Gul is going to show Arhi separation without untying at least a little bit of the bond and trust that has already been formed. If she does that- kudos to her", well....Gul has taken a huge risk in choosing that route becos the expecation from people are that Arnav should never MU Khushi
But I feel ,the concept of trust building between people without using an iota of common sense or judgement in reaity is nothing but hogwash...but having said that....i can appreciate for a story the romantic notion associated with it..becos at the background is a beautiful thot that no matter how much we talk of love between people, the love is only borne out when we face the test of time...when we actually see people for what they are...living with them every single day
Yes, the heart definitely guides u in that matter, hopefully choosing for u that one person who u will be able to love for the rest of ur life or atlest help u learn how to love that person, already chosen for u...It does not mean that there will not be days when u wonder what is it that keep u together and other days when the mere thot of being apart will kill u
Even in this situation, i do not expect Arnav not to have anxious moments in Shyam's company..i still expect a aggressive, arrogant, possessive lover(UJ's beautiful description of ASR, speaking of UJ, whr r u?)..Trust helps u to understand love better but strife in love is still possible...yeh dimag aur dil hamesha ladte rahenge....I expect a sensitive portrayal..thats all....
I am not denying that this PH is great at creating magical couples and as you said many things besides the actors are required for that. I will grant the devil its due but then I can't ignore the fact that this PH takes up weighty subjects but leaves much to be desired in terms of execution. I have said this in the past and I am repeating myself here. Sexual harrassment by a family member is no joke to be taken lightly but throughout they have underplayed this issue in the manner they have executed it. The failure of the leads to ponder over this issue - Arnav in remorse for having exposed Khushi to this and Khushi for her lack of rightful indignation at this, going by her willingness to give the creep another chance - shows how flippant this PH is yet again. In their previous show they did a shoddy job of handling issues like honour killing and marriage duplicity . And to think that it is headed by a woman only makes it even more repulsive. If one can't handle such social issues make it a simple love story. Why bring in these issues and leave them unresolved or belittle the issue.
DeleteAs to Gul not in with the forgiveness track in Geet, where did you get that from? In all her interviews she was justifying it. The fight with the co-producers was not about the track but more on ego issues.
I still hold that this PH is good in giving us excellent and memorable scenes but when it comes to full fledged tracks, they botch things up, especially when they need to peak. That is why you will find some of the greatest VMs are on Geet and IPK because you just need some good scenes to make one, not necessarily a good track.
Opti....
Deletewith u on the Gulaal (even i saw it when it was ending; the problem in Gulaal was how to show Gulaal responding to the man who was someone she brought up...but per se, it was a progressive idea (falling in love) to come out of a very regressive custom(marrying ur BIL on becoming a widow).....but namby-pamby stands can't be taken while showing such concepts so i guess it failed.....if u don't of courage of conviction in following it up.
Also agree with u...why should PH take up social issues in the garb of new age story telling and conveniently ignore the repercussions of such actions....love scenes can't exist in a limbo..If we found ARHI magical in the past, the situation also had a big role to play in it....today my appreciation of ARHI scenes will be that much muted becos of the butchering of Khushi's character....how do i accept her foolhardiness...they have killed the intensity of love, which puts the interest of loved ones above all
When I said regressive, I meant the idea of encouraging a regressive custom, i.e the practice of a widow marrying her younger BIL, a child she then proceeds to bring up ... and giving it the guise of a love story. In any which way, when a woman marries into a family, her husband's brothers become like her brothers and if they are much younger, more like quasi-sons ... my younger chacha treats my mom like a mother figure and gives her that kind of respect, my husband also treats his bhabhi very respectfully ... I feel this almost maternal instinct for his younger cousin sisters (he doesn't have a younger brother), they are like siblings ... to even think of a romantic relationship seems very wrong to me. It was acceptable in that day and age because it arose as a custom to deal with the even more evil custom of Sati ... but that doesn't make it any better, or only very slightly. That's why I would have much preferred it if Gulaal had encouraged Kesar to leave her apron strings ...
DeleteEven for Kesar, I always felt it was more adulation of a woman he admired and respected, and not love ... getting that romantic aspect into it when she had brought him up from childhood did not gel with me at all.
Also when you're tackling a social custom, then you need to tackle it whole-heartedly and show the wrongs in it ... glorifying this was the wrong thing to do, IMO.
That's again where Geet faltered, they started off tackling a social issue, that of NRI marriages, and then that fell completely by the wayside and it just became another love story. I started watching it on that NRI story premise, and Opti, you'd be surprised to know that I stopped watching it the day of Gurmeet's entry as Maan, when he rescued Geet from the sea ... I somehow switched completely off the show from that episode! Don't ask me why ... I don't know! :))) Two of my closest blog friends from DMG days were crazy about it, and I tried a few times to watch it for them, but I just could not connect to it.
Younger man-older woman I have no problem with - one of my most favorite shows, Astitva dealt with that theme, and very beautifully.
Dia....i get what u r saying....the reason i avoided BV from the start is the concept of child-marriage...nothing makes is ok for me so i never watched a single epi...becos i was fearful that they would glorify that aspect...
Deletei am sure it has moved out of that shadow long ago but i could not form any connect....or rather i did not let myself....
Gulaal also showed a regressive concept in that marriage...its just that i saw the epis much later when they were grown so my sensibilities only reacted to that boy...and since age is not an issue with me in a romance...i just saw it from that point but also accepted that it will not go far becos Gulaal can never be shown falling in love with conviction....Since i did not watch the ekdum last few epis of Gulaal...are u saying they actually got together, i did not know that...i thot she was encouraging him to go with some yound girl....
Kesar's POV was shown well,(uska kya jata hain?) just like how ASR's is mostly portrayed well. Its a chauvinistic thing really....koi bandish nahin..saare niyam aurato par lagoo....
Astitva was a show beyond its time....and becos of Varun Badola...he can lift any show..btw how is Phir subah hogi doing? I don't get zee here.....or rather i have to shell some more to get it....and aisa koi interest bhi nahin hain....
Dia,
DeleteGeet caught my interest after Maan's entry and my interst faded after that unforgivable forgiveness track. I stuck on till the end more out of habit than anything else although Maaneet magic was also there is flashes as we are seeing in IPK these days. I think you did not connect to it because deep down you did not want Geet to be carrying Dev's child but as I said that was the attraction of the show for me - a woman who fights for the rights of her child and a man to love her inspite of all the hurdles and stick by her through thick and thin. Had they not brought the unrealistic redemption track it would have stood out as an extraordinary love story in the backdrop of a strong social theme. But alas!
You are right about Gulaal being regressive in the sense of glorifying a condemnable social custom but I guess since I watched the show at the fag end, I did not see young kesar and babhi gulaal to be put off by the love story. When I read the synopsis of the show later, it was just a piece of information for by then as I was taken in by the beauty of the narration of their adult love story. Rekha, the ekdham last few episodes were the most brilliant of the show in my opinion because they showed the transformation of Kesar from the immature and obsessive love into the mature and understanding lover. Gulaal's feelings were also sensitively depicted. Her struggle goes on right up to the very end when she finally gives in and accepts Kesar. Another thing I liked the show for was that there was absolutely so lose ends. They tied it all up neatly before they closed. Hope IPK does it and not repeat the mistake in Geet. Already I am seeing a lot of unpleasant things getting repeated here. Hope at least they do not mess up the ending.
Rekha,
Delete“ the expectation from people are that Arnav should never MU Khushi”:
Why should ASR MU Khushi now, and on what point?
Friday ended with K speaking to herself, “I need to tell Arnavji about getting Shyamji back in.”- don’t know if this will turn out like Garima saying, “I need to tell K everything” and then went in to hide and seek. (There, Opti- I have major issues with characterization at times too…)
I swear, if ASR MUs Khushi now…or ever again….and I still want to watch the show… I’ll be the one needing a psychiatrist.
Opti, on Gul defending Geet- …sorry, I was talking about a post in IF that made sense…may have been that person’s imagination..
“Already I am seeing a lot of unpleasant things getting repeated here.”: Hmm.. may be I’ll be saying the same thing when I watch the next 4 lions show *lol*
On not dealing with sexual harassment (still too strong a word for me,) Yes, I said this during kidnap when I cringed seeing that seminude Shyam in Khushi’s room…but that candle scene- he preferred to wait till she was OK with their relationship…biding his time, may be? Anyway, this villain is sanskaari…I REALLY HOPE ASR is shown to reflect on what Khushi must’ve gone through in his absence. (Have FEW hopes for it since that time has come and gone…unless he sees in person Shyam lusting after Khushi and gets the enormity of what she went thru..right now he has only processed his Di’s pain and the injustice of his actions towards K and their love for each other)
On Shyam going scotfree, this is not the end of the serial, right. We’ll get him later…and then we’ll have Anjali di realize to her horror that she has no brains at all. But before that, hopefully we’ll see an Anjali who gets no peace of mind knowing Chhote has been hurt…that he cannot take a breath without Khushiji…who can predict? But I want all this later on only…Enough of drama in this track, give us some romance and take up the revenge track later.
Personally, I feel Shyam will get caught only in the end once his cupidwa role is not needed anymore.
Rekha,
On BV: I had the same issues as you, yes the track has changed and it seems more interesting- well written- even then I prefer IPK and I will never change channels to watch BV when I am first watching IPK. Plus the story is still not that appealing.
Su,
DeleteIts not the point of strong words or making social issue a point of debate in the matter..I would say strictly from the point of view of the story progress, the Khushi decision is a no-brainer (?), total regressive point in the show, it erases what was achieved until now
From Khushi's POV, why i can't accept her decision is I expect a person to have some sense of self esp after undergoing the kind of trauma she has done to get ASR back....A sense of self that is usually manifest in moments like this...
The same sense of sense that should have ideally made her rebel when ASR forced her to marry....still both situations are different altho both involve the element of sacrifice and not in the least becos it was ASR inflicting the trouble in the first case.
I made peace with the first situation becos of who Khushi is, a person with a guilt complex that she was perhaps responsible for her sister's broken marriage, a family who loved her but whom she always felt that she had to do more as a return for looking after her..she had the choice to make her plight known but consciously decided not to...
But in the second situation, hasn't she come a long way from that point. Hasn't that exacty been the point of this ARHI journey? Just as we know that Arnav cannot bear to bring Shyam back becos of who he represents in his life and other serious matters, even though he is a di-bhakt...in a similar way, i can't accept Khushi doing this after what they have endured in this journey.
Specially now, she has Arnav's love, she has seen Shyam's motives at close quarters...as a person who has encouraged Anji to look ahead, being the only one in the hospital to actually point out to Anji of the reality of losing the baby, why should she take the regressive step? that did not cut any ice with me..I am not expecting her to change her innate qualities but this is not Khushi's innate quality at all in the first place.....
Dia so happy to see ur post. Hope u had a grt time. Ipk mein subah hone mein der hain.
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ReplyDelete4Lions ... Gul Maate -
ReplyDeleteHumein hamare ArHi lauta do .... Humein hamare ArHi ki bohot zarurat hai!!
Hum ne kabhi bhi aapki koi episode nahi taali - OTT 101 ASR satao, dimaag-less ASR, suicide, kidnapping, ahdura SR-milan-tappadgate-biwi mano-sorry aur ab Creepali - iss bar aap hamari baat mano.
Humein hamare ArHi lauta do !!!
Sweet Dreams All ... Muaaaahhhhhh
Hahahaha hear hear!!! So true. We stuck by every inane silly track possible but here even we will draw the line...
DeleteAdding to the shiddat for the IPK magic returning in full force.The kind which made us start looking at the clock since 5pm...waitiiing for 8pm and feeding kids in a hurry and putting tv for them in the other room so I cud see IPK.I want that back.
ReplyDeleteAs for recommendations for other shows... I dont know if any of you like watching Pakistani dramas. A couple of very good ones available on Youtube are "Humsafar" and "Kuch Pyar Ka Pagalpan Bhi Tha". Has the same hero and he looks good and acts well too..;-) Another intresting one is "Hum Tum".Also, they are completed dramas so dont be surprised if you find urself sitting up an entire weekend to watch it in one go. Pakistani dramas have a set end time usually between 20 to 24 episodes so the story doesnt get stretched like in our serials. If you guys enjoy these I will suggest some more.
As for Hindi Desi ones, I am liking Teri Meri Love Stories.It reminds me of the "Yule Love Stories" series which became "Rishtey" later on. I used to miss it. Arjun is okie dokie. I also follow Jhalak.
Dia, tumne Gulaal yaad dila diya....altho i could not watch the serial due to the timimg....i used to find it interesting becos of Sushant Singh Neil bhatt,Manasi parekh...an epi i particularly liked was the where Kesar watches Gulaal unknown to her...Neil really expressed the emotions of a young lover beautifully.......
DeleteSushant Singh as the BIL is such a gud actor and I believe the change in him was shown gradually...altho i missed many epis but i saw the last few epis becos i was sad to see the promising serial end....khair..dunno how the whole thing progressed tho....
On teri meri...i somehow get the feeling it will be a FF/OS/SS type fiction.....wouldn't be surprised to see some ARHI variation there...altho i am yet to see a single epi...just going by promos....
If they let Shyan back into RM I only hope that he gets overconfident and starts showing his true face quickly especially to Dadi, because she also needs to be brought down to reality. Let this track get over quickly and give us more Special moments with Arnav and Khushi.
ReplyDeleteTrue, Lin, I want Shyam to be exposed quickly - he is already a known villain, just watching his villainy again and again in the same context of fooling the RM members is getting boring.
DeleteI am honestly quite surprised and sceptical about retaining Shyam as a villain when he has already been exposed to so many members of the family. I knew he would return but would have thought he would return as someone on the outside. I guess that is why they left so many loopholes in the kidnapping exposure, to leave doubt in Anjali's mind, and enable his return. Hopefully, this last track will lead to his exposure in front of Anjali too, and then he will finally be thrown out ... otherwise this return makes it very repetitive to have the same tricks being played again and again.
More important and interesting for me is the track about the past ... to show Dadi that she was wrong about Garima and her son ... and maybe also to show Arnav that his Dad was misunderstood to some extent by his mother, and there was more to the past than he saw. Because his views on women of a lower status being out for what they can get was colored by his views on the other woman in his dad's life, and that was what made his so vicious to Khushi at the start of the show. Maybe they can show Arnav going back to being Arnav Malik and reclaiming his heritage from his Chacha. How they will mesh both these things - both Dadi being wrong and Arnav being wrong, I don't know ... I do hope they have a good story in place for that.
Dia,
DeleteWith you on Shyam's return to RM. Would have been better if he was working from the outside. That is why I did not want either Arnav or Khushi to be responsible for getting Shyam back but then we are in for K bringing him back and more unwanted and replusive drama surrounded Shyali.
I too would prefer to see how the past plays out and yes, both the strong headed individuals, A and DD should be proved wrong and make peace with the torrid past.
Applying for study leave, kiddo's exams are on 17th.....She made me promise....No TV, NO NET....for me so from today Netwa and tv ki chutti.
ReplyDeleteNeed your shiddat powers that we come through this one.
And yes new show....do let me know.
Mera criteria is simple for a new show:
Sizzling chemistry between the lead pair where atleast one of the lead is the eldest sibling...And the Male lead's youngest brother rarely gets dialogues.
Aisa kuch milay toh batana....or else.......Pick a good one you guys
*hugs and take care*
Nooooo ... I return and you leave, BG ... not fair!!!! :((( Try to come online while kiddo is in school, baba! Wish ehr all the best for the exams ... and to you too!
DeleteAs for criteria for new show ... right now none of the ones on air fulfill any of the above ... and I have looked for some, believe me! I don't even find any interesting enough to stalk the forums these days. I did like Punar Vivah for a while, I don't know how well it's going these days ... have been off all non-Star Plus shows for two months, because my daughter was home and the other channels are in her room - which was very difficult to access while she was home ;)
I liked Maryada and SGP, but ever since they went off air, none of the new SP shows has really captured my interest enough to follow it regularly.
BG - you on leave - Nahhhiiii - ab to maza aanay wala tha - with Dia back and hopefully some bits of Sandy :( -
Delete(i know this sounds bad but please do cheat on your promise and drop in when you can - without your comments the blog has no humor!)
Best of luck to the little one - am in the same boat, though my daughter shall finish her exams in a couple of days. But i have to say - i hope i am half the mother you are - i really cant teach my kid - i have zero patience and if i ever do teach her - the family generally has to intervene to save her (or me!) - She is a lovely child but hates to study - thinks she knows everything already (confidence ki koe kami nahi!) and the worst bit is - being an honest person - i cant even blame her - she takes after me :D
shwetha, i dunno if you take our collective "advice" to sneak on the promise and tapkofy during schooltime or not, but good luck with the exams! and the cafe will definitely miss your gyaan!
Deletemona, i am exactly like you in the teaching dept.. if i sit down to teach, my hubs has to be on standby with fire extinguishers. does not help a bit that my kiddo is exactly like me.. sometimes i debate in my head whether to laugh or shout.. and yes, exams are coming in my house as well.. btw thanks for the FFrec for unexpectedly expected .. loved it!
Mona, Jaya *LOL*
DeleteI am in the same boat as you both.
Wish I had some of the patience I have with IPK when it comes to teaching.
Sama, really hats off to all of you wonderful teachers out there.
Shwetha, *hugs* and best of luck for your kiddo.
Shwethu...
DeleteAll the best for the exams yaar....u guys will crack it!!
Collective advice lene ki koshish kar aur tapak thodi der ke liye....esp daant lagavane..nobody does the danda better than u......
*HUGS to junior(s) and U*
Welcome back Dia. Hope you had good holiday .
ReplyDeleteHave been a silent reader of R&R for quite some time .Seem to have rather different view .Khushi should NEVER think of endangering Arnavs life or her own by getting evilwa inside RM If it has to happen for the story to progress it should be done on insistence of Anji and DD supported by Mami and Akash.
Furthermore if and when Khushi suggests this to Arnav he should insist that Khushi
Is not in RM as he has seen Khushi all tied up and left on the road to die..he CANNOT endanger her life even for his DI.
As doctor DIa knows better than anyone that when limb is diseased it has to be amputated to save the life of the patient.whether the patient is willing or not.So Di has to be overruled in her own interest BUT of course
The CVs can't do that..story kaise aage badhegi..
As I said earlier both Arnav and Khushi should walk out giving Di a taste of her own medicine of silences and disappearance and quiet emotional blackmail.Arnav can tell DD that she would be responsible if any harm should come to Di if Evilwa is allowed in.That should also serve as a warning to Mami and Akash who favour return of Evilwa.
Just hope better sense prevails and Arnav and Khushi are able exposé Evilwa from outside RM as that make him more bold and hence likely to make more blunders in his overconfidence
.Hope somebody agrees...
Riya
further to my earlier comment it is necessary that Arnav and Khushi
ReplyDeleteDo the pheras ASAP to stymie. Evilwa who said that they can never be one as long as he I.e Evilwa is living..that alone is reason for Arnav and Khushi to become one.
Arnav can buy another house ( with help of Aman )instal Nani and NK there and quietly plan the down fall of Evilwa and awakening of Anji brain vis a vis Evilwa
Hi Riya, and welcome to R&R :))) Have seen your posts while I was on holiday, but couldn't reply because of lack of time. Sorry ... and welcome again!
ReplyDeleteYes, the best course of action is of course for Khushi to have nothing to do with Evilwa ... she knows more than anyone else what a scoundrel he actually is. I really don't understand WHY the cv's are bent on showing her as being so stupid - there is absolutely no need. Dadi alone is enough to overrule everyone else to allow Shyam in, and anyway Dadi will be the first one to question why he was allowed by Khushi - 'who is she to give permission' kind of thing, when she is not yet even the legal Bahu. Anjali has to be overruled on this one, but of course if she pretends to faint or collapse or something ... and it WILL be pretense, that's been made very clear, then everyone will rush to call in Evilwa ... Khushi really doesn't need to be involved. But how will they build up the next MU between Arnav and Khushi in that case *head desk*!!!
And I also feel it is essential for Arnav Khushi to complete their wedding ASAP to spike Evilwa's guns ... the Garima BFTP can then happen right at the end. That's why I visualised a quiet temple wedding with Dadi dancing attendance on Anjali because of her miscarriage, so she doesn't attend it and sees Garima only after the pheras are safely over and done with.
But now if Shyam is going to make an entry very soon, then Anjali will recover and Dadi being the fool she is, will tell Shyam about Garima and that will be his next attempt to stop the wedding. Will he succeed in that or not is the question.
But totally agree Arnav and Khushi should walk out of RM if the rest of the family insists that Shyam re-enter ... and start planning events so that Evilwa betrays himself to Dimbulb Anji. Because until he betrays himself, Dimbulb will not believe that her PP is anything less than snow white.
Haven't watched either thursday or friday and don't have the inclination to watch either, after all the comments that I read here..
Deletebut what I don't get is, fine, you need problems in love stories, but isn't garima and BFTP problem enough?? Why also include khushi getting in shyam w/o anav's consent as one of the probs b/w them?? Why not show them getting together, fighting shyam together and THEN bringing in BFTP?? BFTP itself is blasphemous enough to cause ArHi rift (irrespective of whether garima was MUed or not)... there was absolutely NO need for them get get in this brainless khushi who is thinking of giving shyam a second chance (if that is actually what they are trying to show) in order to create problems b/w ArHi..
one really cute old episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVAYB5UDHTY
ReplyDeleteoh had totally forgotten what was in the second half.. but loved "arnie"s expressions :D
Deletehttp://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3175377
ReplyDeletesooo..its finalised!!!! :))
all the things apart, I am GLAD that both Sanaya and Barun are getting the much deserved fame and adulation.. :)) hope this helps them eventually in their acting endevours.. they both are talented enough to bag new roles and smart enough to not let fame get into their heads.. plus, mature enough to handle the attention that they are gonna get.. AND most importantly, LUCKY enough to have life partners who have NO issues about their breath taking chemistry with each other... :))
Can only attempt to watch the show for SaRun and see them excel in the acting dept even more...IF they are given their due amidst the Shyam-anjali love story.. Nothing can stop this show from going downhill now IMO... I am getting major deja-vu of the MJHT season two days post RP re entry into the show.. I only hope that jaate jaate SaRun ka bhala ho jaaye.. :))
Deepali has already made the wise decision of quitting, I respect her thoroughly.. :)
P.S. the promos are SOOOOOO adorable!!! :))
DeleteHey madsie :)))
DeleteYep, I'm also reaching the stage of ... let this show go on as long as it can last and then Barun and Sanaya look for greener pastures. It's done its work for them, both have gotten the fame and recognition they deserve, and both are smart enough to stay humble and grounded and hard working ... both have built enough goodwill to get more offers so I can look forward to their new shows after this one is over ... the way I looked forward to San's new show after MJHT ended ... We were SOOO ready for it to end when it did! And look at what we got after that! So all izz well :)))
And since I'm losing the attachment, I can continue watching this as long as it lasts ... which won't be too long if Creepali take center stage ... If ArHi come back to the forefront, well and good ... and I can happily watch again.
True Madsie and Dia...
Deleteit comes to my fav quote when things don't go as per expectation:
tarruf rog ho jaye toh usako bhulna behtar
talluk bojh ban jaye toh usako todna achhha
woh afsana jise anjam tak lana na ho mumkin
use ek khubsoorat mod dekar chhodna achhha..
just hope for that khubsoorat mod....
diaa... :)) hugssss!!! :)) hope you had a wonderful vacation!!! :))
Deleteand as I was reminded of the MJHT days post RP reentry, I attempted to watch a video of an episode I had willingly miss.. and it makes me ROFL sooo much right now, especially if I think of the hidden (intended or unintended) double meaning in it.. LMAO! check this vid -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PBAJdavuGk
check out the part after gunjan's entry and when she says "tum toh di ko jaante ho na..uske hisse ka pyar ya attention kisi aur ko mile to use bilkul acha nahin lagta.." :D ROFL!!! that was such a jab against RP!!!
ROFL...and then later on when they say "twinkle twinkle little star, karte rahe hum tumse pyaar" LMAOOO!!! with all the controversies that happened, I wonder how many laughs did Sanaya, Mohit and Arjun have behind the scenes for this little jab!! :D ROFL!!
DeleteOpti, I am really impressed that you have pointed out the domestic sexual harassment
ReplyDeleteIssue vis a vis Evilwa and Khushi.For that reason alone the PH should NOT allow entry of Evilwa if and only if Khushi is to stay on in RM.
In case the story demands his entry Khushi should be SAFELY removed with or without Arnav
.No women should be exposed to a lech within the family.
This may be a love story but every citizen ESP. A PH in field of entertainment has duty to highlight evils of the society we live in.
Amir Khan in Satyamev Jayate showed the trauma of domestic sexual. Violence on the victims.Do hope Ph acts on the issue and spares us.
Riya.
Riya,
DeleteI have been crying hoarse on this issue for months now and was dissatisfied with Arnav's repentence because they did not highlight this issue at all. All he was made to recollect was how he had ill-treated Khushi but for me the biggest blow he could have dealt on her was leaving her crying to be heard at the airport. While the forced marriage and his refusal to alert the rest of the family on Shyam's wickedness was danger enough for Khushi, as the family kept throwing these two together, he exposed her to real danger when he too was away from the house. If nothing else, that guilt should have made him speak up for Khushi when the snake was spewing venom on her during the grand confrontation scene post the kidnap track. His muted reaction then and the absence of any guilt for having let Khushi face such danger from Shyam left much to be desired.
As if to rub salt in the wound, they are planning to show Khushi bringing in Shyam for Di's sake and that too thinking he has changed. Does she have any intention to get married to Arnav at all? If so, how is she planning to spend the rest of her life with the lech?
Is there any other way they can belittle such a serious issue such as sexual harrassment within the family? Shame on Gul for not learning her lesson if she is bent on treading this path.
I have not seen Geet but there is a very fa,mous punjabi story highlighting the custom of widow
ReplyDeleteMarrying her child BIL so much so that had even breastfed him .I think it is called EK Chaddar Mail Si and the author ,if I am not mistaken is the famous raj infer Singh bedi.
Riya.
Ria,
DeleteGeet is not about the girl marrying her kid BIL. That is Gulaal and is based on some regressive custom in some parts of Gujarat.
Opti, I have not watched any other serial except. ISS PPyar ko Kya naam doon and am now sometimes watching PKDH..
ReplyDeleteI agree with you and also have very strong views on sexual harassment within the family as the victim is absolutely helpless and cannot speak up hence I feel Arnav
Has to get Khushi
Out of RM well BEFORE the Evilwa is even allowed to enter and Khushi
Is being suicidal even. In suggesting his entry.
I hope The PH wakes up to this issue.
Riya
I agree with sonu, some Pakistani dramas are so much better than our Indian ones because they dont drag and are to the point.
ReplyDeleteCheck out 'humsafar' on youtube and you will not be diaappointed. Another very good looking pair who act well.