Tuesday, September 11, 2012

11/9 - Epi 339 ... The Pain of Loss

Tuesday September 11th

Tonight after watching IPKKND, I watched the first half of Behna. And I realized that the biggest flaw of the miscarriage track, and the reasons why we didn't feel any sympathy for Anjali were serious lacunae in all departments - direction, writing and acting.

The scenarios were very different of course ... Jeevika voluntarily underwent an abortion of a much longed for baby with the full cooperation and support of her husband, to be able to donate marrow for her sister. Still she mourned the loss of that baby so much, and the pain of loss was very evident in her eyes, her body language, her whole demeanor. However she had the support of her husband to help her through the whole ordeal, and that support meant everything to her. Viren hid his own pain to give her that support, and let his tears flow only in solitude. So I did sympathise with Anjali again for wanting and needing that support. Where Daljeet failed, and the writers failed in IPK was to concentrate too much, too quickly on the 'return my husband to me' track and not give more than a single scene of mourning for the baby. Although Jeevika is no great actress, she brought across her pain and her numbness very beautifully in the scene today ... so much so that where I usually switch off the tv within a minute of Behna starting, I felt compelled to watch it till the scene ended.

Daljeet and the writers - I will blame both - failed to bring in that pain of loss effectively, and that was what killed the track. And today by showing Anjali's miraculous recovery with the return of Shyam, the way she completely forgot about the lost baby and became all happy and cheerful again, and ready to carry on with the wedding festivities, again eroded whatever sympathy might have still remained.

And I wonder, is that what the writers meant to show? Gul said Anjali is damaged ... is this another facet of that damaged Anjali ... while Arnav mourns his mother with a fierce anger about the way his father betrayed her, Anjali only looks back on the good memories and seems to ignore the bad ones, or refuse to remember anything bad. She does the same thing in the present ... refuses to see evil or bad, avoids confrontations and fights, and pretends everything will be all right if only the troubles can be swept under the carpet and not faced. And she does the same again ... now that Shyam is back, her bad behaviour, her manipulation is all forgotten, she has got what she wanted, so she will be all sweet-faced and loving and complaint again. The lost baby is a bad memory so she will not think about it.
What was good to see - while Shyam has to win back the family, Anjali also has to do the same, because no one except Dadi is happy to see Shyam back. Even Mami and Akash, who were doubting Arnav's decision, now seem to be in complete agreement with it.

Arhi argument ... a very different argument this time ... the pain and hurt of betrayal in Arnav ... not over Di, but over Khushi ... how could she go against his wishes, behind his back, how could she betray his trust and get Shyam back? And I found myself in complete agreement with him today ... because Khushi didn't use the right arguments again *head desk* ... instead of telling him that VLR was already creeping around RM and meeting Di in secret, she told him how happy Di was to see Shyam back, and how miraculously recovered ... *head desk* woman, when a child cries because she wants to touch the bright sparkly fire, you don't helpfully shove her into the fire, you try to take her away and explain that it is bad for her and can hurt!!!
No wonder Arnav was furious with her ... yes, she betrayed his trust, he started so painfully to trust again, he trusted her with his deepest feelings, he thought that whoever else in the house doubted his decision, Khushi would stand by him ... she betrayed that trust. If she felt his decision was wrong, she needed to try to convince him again and again, not go behind his back and overturn his decision. I did not feel any sympathy for Khushi today.

But one must reap what one has sown ... time and again Arnav has told Khushi Di is the most important person in his life, that her happiness means the world to him, that if Di is happy, everything is fine ... he has even convinced himself of that ...
It is time for Arnav to realise that although Di is very important to him, Khushi's happiness, Khushi's welfare and Khushi herself are the most important. The feelings are there within him, but maybe for Arnav it would be a betrayal to even allow himself to feel that anyone could be more important than Di, that it is all right for him to seek his own personal happiness over Di's, let alone acknowledge it to anyone else ... But the way he remembered the mehndi and Khushi on the night of Anjali's miscarriage, the way he tonight remembered Khushi and was aching for her, the way he tried to call her, showed that Khushi has definitely overtaken Di in importance in his life.
And if Arnav doesn't acknowledge it even to himself, there is no way Khushi will ever feel that she could be the most important person for him. For her too, Di will come first always ... Di's happiness is paramount, because that is the road to Arnav's happiness. That is what she has been told too many times ... she can't see for herself that maybe that is not true any more.

I did wonder, though ... Arnav sees Khushi's betrayal, but not Anjali's? He is not disappointed at Anjali's reaction to see Shyam back? Or was he expecting it after her demand for her KP? And is putting it down to hormonal imbalance and/or mental instability?

So Arhi argue, Khushi leaves in tears ... family is not happy to see Shyam back, but they can't do anything. And Shyam is back to his smooth-talking winning ways ... if we hadn't seen him plotting and planning, I would have been convinced by his act, so smooth and humble he was today. Except for the few evil glances, of course.

Arnav-Shyam ... as I said, Khushi has overtaken Di in Arnav's life ... the moment VLR mentions Khushi's name, Arnav loses his cool ... But *head desk* Arnav ... haven't you learned anything at all??!!! Keep a cool head with VLR ... announcing to him that you plan to throw him out just as soon as Di recovers is not the best idea ... VLR will just make sure Anjali doesn't recover for a long, long time! Stop announcing your plans to the Evilwa!!!

Arnav calls Khushi, she refuses to pick up ... while I'm quite happy at the fight, this time Khushi is in the wrong ...

And Anjali earns my ire again ... madam is back to her bright colors and net sarees and clinging to KP's arm ... all izz well in Di's world, so she has to spread happiness and sunshine for everyone again.
Why is Creepwa so ready to start the wedding preparations again? Has Dimwit Dadi already confided her suspicions about Garima being a BFTP? So he is confident about stalling it later, yet emerging with spotless reputation?

Precap - Anji tells Arnav that she knows she is more important to him than life itself and Khushi knows it *head desk* ... Arnav, pleeeaaseee now at least wake up and smell the coffee ... why Khushi did what she did, because she too actually believes that! First item on agenda for Arnav - to realise that Khushi is number one priority for him, second item on agenda, to convince Khushi of that ... rest will follow later.

77 comments:

  1. anjali : hum jaante hai ki humare ghar mein bahut bada haadsa hua hain, lekin agar hum pichli baaton ko yaad karke udaas honge to aage kaise badhenge?

    shyam : saale sahab, hum jaante hain ki peechle kuch dinon mein humare sambandha ache nahi hai.. jinme se bahut si baatein gala-faimiyan thi..

    Anjali in precap : chotey, tum khushi ji se isliye naraaj ho na, kyunki woh tumhare khilaf gayi...lekin jara socho, woh isliye tumhare khilaf gayi kyunki woh humari jaan bachana chahti thi, aapki di ki, jisse aap jaan se bhi jyaada pyaar karte hain..

    me : WTFFFFFFFFFFFF??!!

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    1. EXACTLY!!

      the script writers are slacking off, the director seems to be someone new who has never seen back episodes... and since the story writer has changed, i feel like i am watching a whole new show.. almost like reading a poorly written fanfiction after reading the real book.

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  2. something incomplete....the episode was so weird...

    argument was incomplete....their pain was also incomplete....not like a couple in love.....

    she was happy that he called, then she disconnected herself....why, was that her ego ? does she really believe shyam has reformed and so acting pricey now ?

    he was feeling guilty....but waited till morning to call her....then ready to break off the marriage just cause she dint answer...

    now he will agree as precap showed anji putting some sense in him....

    so in essence they still are not the number prio for each other.....he will be ready only because anji said so....

    this is painful....obviously its too soon to talk bt the precap....but Arnav....that girl risked her life for you and your Di was betraying you for her creepy Pati...its bt time u set ur priorities straight.....

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    1. Geetu, I read the khushi disconnection as she being still hurt of his words to her...not because she thinks shyam has reformed.. even when she was trying to put forth her POV it was always "for di" ... its the fact that he thinks that she is not worthy of his trust that hurts her the most...that's what I read from the scene...

      he thinks she betrayed his trust, she thinks that he knows her too well by now, so how can he think that.. if you watch the scene in the night, her part ends with his saying "get out" and his ends with her saying "humne di ke liye yeh kiya".. so by the end, its arnav who has completely melted and realises that he should go and make amends with her.. which is why he calls her in the morning...but the fact that she has the audacity to not answer his calls.. he is still the man with ego..

      and I HOPE he doesn't actually say the words "yeh shaadi nahi ho sakti"..that would be just too much!!

      I want to make peace with the fact that he has realised that khushi meant well although her action was wrong in his eyes, but he is playing all sulky because she is not willing to talk to him about it...and anji telling arnav in the precap to not be mad at khushi is just for the writers' to pacify themselves that this IS mainly a sibling story, so OFCOURSE precious di will make her brother happy.. but after ensuring that her own happiness is restored! PATHETIC!

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    2. Mads, hmm...ur explanation makes sense.....wapas dekhne ka padi.....

      bt breakin the wedding, i think thats what he says, thats why Di goes to pacify him......aur kya bolega....mis carriage abhi hua isiliye shaadi nahi karni, i dont expect him to say that......

      was he going to meet her....and got angry seeing Shyam initiate the wedding decorations...thats why this turn-around ?

      Anji is pathetic :P no two ways bt it

      waise i think after this incident Dadi will realize that only Khushi can reign in Arnav, thats why she will keep mum bt Garima and let the marriage happen....what say ?

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    3. Madsie.....

      i am ok with Arnav staying angry with her becos part of his anger has to do with her having anything to do with that scumbag.....i so wish Khushi had not stated that pati dialogue so forcefully....and please can Khushi stop calling him shyamji.....what pathetic nonsense is that....

      See.....this anger had to surface at some point...even if he makes peace with it now,IMO, Khushi will run away from him, the next time the G_D "dhamaka" hits them, this track is essentially to get Khushi to start doubting if they can actually have a life together...Arnav will initially be shocked at that discloure....but will hopefully compose himslef but then the temple 360 (bandagement) actually happen....

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    4. geetu,

      "was he going to meet her....and got angry seeing Shyam initiate the wedding decorations...thats why this turn-around ?" - EXACTLY my point.. from the previous scene, it looked as if he was going to go and meet her... I think he got all angry seeing shyam playing the goody-two-shoes.. which is why I STILL don't believe he will actually say that I don't want to get married to her.. will probably say there's no need for all the festivities etc..but no marriage, I think they are beyond that now.. also, in the earlier shyam-arnav confrontation, the ONLY thing that made sense was when arnav got really, really, really pissed that shyam uttered khushi's name and it was then that he completely lost it.. it bothers him that this man who once had tha audacity to openly declare his feelings for khushi is now taking that woman's name.. when said woman is HIS wife now... I was actually waiting to hear something like "khabardar apni gandi zubaan se uska naam liya toh.." :P but that would have been too filmy, nah? :P



      "waise i think after this incident Dadi will realize that only Khushi can reign in Arnav, thats why she will keep mum bt Garima and let the marriage happen....what say ?" - hayyee, tere muh mein ghee shakkar!! :P

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    5. Madsie, i don't want to burst any "trust" bubble but the reaction of any partner will be this if the action is unilateral....esp something of this magnitude...

      Arguments are always like this...hateful words exchanged even when not meant....but yes....when u actually have trust u can see the extenuating circumstances that cause a partner to take unilateral calls of this kind...tho it takes a little time for the wisest to understand...and yeh toh phir bhi ASR hain...
      I don't appareciate sayani giving that wisdom...it does not suit her now

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    6. Rekhs, I agree completely... infact, for once, I am totally on Arnav's side..especially when he said how can you take such a huge decision all by yourself..I totally agree! she could not have taken such a huge decision all by herself, no wonder the poor soul thought that she betrayed his trust.. going all the way by saying that she was the only person he allowed himself to get so close to, the only person he had learnt to trust blindly and now she took even that away from him...by not respecting his wishes..after all that they have been through, this was ONE thing he thought they would be on the same page about..

      at the same time, khushi was totally in character...when has she really thought enough before acting? she has always ended up getting badly hurt/insulted/criticised with the intention of doing something good.. ALWAYS.. I don't know if that is how her character is portrayed or whether a massacre of her character, that is to each his/her own I would say...

      So I could empathise with both khushi and arnav today.. though my pointers are more towards arnav right now.. they will totally turn towards khushi is he decides to call off the marriage and then resumes it for darling di..

      Because all said and done, they know that they both love each other and cannot stay away from each other...

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    7. Madsie,,

      If Arnav has any sense......he will not go on auto-pilot after sayani's words....rather shout at her for talking nonsense..effectively telling sayani that she is not the be-all and end-all of his life..

      If he does any mooning for Di, we will all petition for K's marriage with NK, the only sensible munda i see around in RM

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    8. Rekha, Madsie, i hope that Arnav says tomorrow that he doesnt want to cancel the wedding, just that such a big thing has happened n they have practically lost a family member, so the celebrations shud be low key....

      in-fact...this thought shud've occured to anji that howcome the creep who was wailing in the hospital for his rajkumari, is all set to celebrate chotte's wedding.....but we know tht she lacks the grey matters.....

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    9. Rekha, you know it was something you said a few days ago which gave me a totally new perspective to Arnav ... and that is what I have written in the edit today. It is high time for Arnav HIMSELF to realise that Di is NOT the most important person in his life, many things he claimed he has done for Di, he has actually done for Khush including his marriage ... and now he didn't want VLR in the house more because of the implications for Khushi, not Di. VLR will not harm Di now - yes, he harmed her baby, but Anjali is still his golden goose.

      I doubt Arnav will say he wants to cancel the wedding ... he will probably say something about the hungama ... hopefully he puts in a few words about not wanting to celebrate after such a loss ... I wish he DOES have enough sense to shut Di up, but I doubt he will ... I only hope he has enough sense to realise that Di actually believes what she si saying, and so does Khushi ... and THEREIN lies the problem!

      As for Anjali .. I lost all sympathy I might have had for her ... when her marriage breaks because her hubby is a scoundrel, she objects to her brother having a private birthday celebration with his wife behind closed doors, but when she has lost her baby, she has no objection to having a grand wedding celebration for him ... because her husband is back! What a self-centred psycho!!!

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    10. (As for Anjali .. I lost all sympathy I might have had for her ... when her marriage breaks because her hubby is a scoundrel, she objects to her brother having a private birthday celebration with his wife behind closed doors, but when she has lost her baby, she has no objection to having a grand wedding celebration for him ... because her husband is back! What a self-centred psycho!!! )

      anjali was terribly hurt that her husband was banished from the house.. she fell into a depression.. but then , her brother bought her roses in an attempt to cheer her up, which was so unlike her brother... to even attempt to care.. that she went and made kheer for him. (i have a feeling that kheer as an item holds some symbolism, its been given a lot of screenspace these days) an di discovered that he did not care for her sadness much, he was more interested in his wife.. (which TQ accepted, because,after all, they are husband and wife.. and in her soch, husband and wife is more important than brother and sister)

      accordingly, when she lost her baby, when she wanted her husband's presence, her brother should have understood.. but when she asked him, he denied her. her husband is sneaking into RM, is so willing to take care of her.. but she tells her husband, "i know my brother, he will never agree.. so i will go on strike till he agrees" and so she does.. and thinks that exactly according to her plan, her brother agreed.

      inside her bubble, everything is hunky dory again. though i would be really glad if she showed an ounce of the tragedy she is famous for.. towards her lost child. and i think that moment happened when the cradle was removed from the room... except shoddy acting and directing lost the essence of the scene.

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  3. Who has amnesia now? CVs or are they advising us to have amnesia...can amnesia be ordered? that shyam and Arnav confrontation...kuch samajh mein nayi aaya.....


    Di says hadsa hua hain...i was like WT?? the only hadsa i can think that happened is of us fools watching u walk on that carpet twice over....



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    1. Rekhs, I WISH I had amnesia...I wouldn't be so irritated then after watching today's episode... ok, ArHi, though incomplete (as usual) did make atleast some sense... but the rest of the episode was total BullS***..

      you know when anjali went all there has been a huge incident in the house and that we should all move on, I had the exact WTF expression on my face that NK had... I mean, haddd hoti hai yaar.. and tomorrow if they show arnav agreeing to get married coz of precious di, I will lose it.. like completely!!!!

      dia..waiting for your update...I am sure it will make me feel better..

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  4. as shahrukh said in kal ho na ho.. i'm feeling the need of a group hug right now..

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    1. HEY J, always there for a hug....

      yep, feeling very sorry for myself for getting into this IPK mess but coming to R&R makes me happy....YAY!!

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    2. hug from me toooo!!! I guess everybody needs it after today.. :P

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    3. aww guys ... *group jadoo ki jappi* :)))

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  5. so the fact that meethi toffee sneaked around behind everybody's back to meet her "woh" isnt gonna reach papad ka tukra at all???? so what was the point of that really??? just to show how great her love is for her hubby???

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    1. papad ka tukra is very brittle...and bit soft on his head too....

      One of these days, he needs to confront this whole Shyam business in the face...he needs to tell Khushi, i don't want u anywhere near this scoundrel for any reason including his sayani di.....becos he can't bear it.....

      he needs to come clean to Khushi on what happened on that terrace night....he is a soul scarred....unless he has closure on that issue....it will always haunt him..he has to face up to the fact that he married her for himslef not for his Di......

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    2. Mads, i think the toffee sneaking will be revealed by the toffee herself.....if Khushi had said that today it wud've aggravated the matter, cause Arnav wud think that how cud she go home easily when she knew creep was sneaking around.....so lets the moaning myrtle do the honors of telling him the sneaky truth.......

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    3. Rekha,

      'he has to face up to the fact that he married her for himself not for his Di......'

      that is exactly the part that clicked for me ... you said it a couple of days earlier, and it put a lot of things into perspective *hugs*

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  6. Su,
    I am responding to your take from yesterday - though the question was addressed to Rekha, not me.


    Though we talked about Khushi being dumb, it was fundamentally a test of love and trust, not really brains..


    Love: Remember the convo in the date , Arnav told Khushi she does not have to do anything that goes against her principles, that is love.She went and upended his pricniples, with no thought to how he would feel about it . Love means understanding the others feelings,not making decisions that hurt them.Love means supporting a loved one thru thick and thin, walking with them, not just telling them which way to walk - Khushi madam in her high and mighy approach of I know better what is good for you did just that..

    Trust :
    He trusted her to be his lieutenant in his absence, not subvert him and his authority in the house as she did. That is the basic principle of being a team- you do not undermine each other.
    She with-held information that was critical, that shyam was in the house despite his security measures - in any terms that is betrayal of trust.

    It is like a conversation I was having with my son(16) about something he and I agreed on but hubby was not getting it..I started to say so and stopped myself and apologised - My son (16) said 'its ok mom, its not like I will tell him' - and I told him ,' no, its not that you will tell, its because it is ethically wrong for me to say it to you..we both are working for the family, we have different priorities"

    Rekha,

    Should I watch the episode ? Or stick with my decision of quitting ? :)

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    1. Srisri, such a beautiful take.....

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    2. Sri....glad u answered the question that Su posed....

      btw,nothing much in the epi....

      its broken down to two things happening...Arnav and Khushi convo and the aftermath of pain for both....done reasonably ok....if we don't like it, its more to do with the paraphernalia....

      the other part can be forwarded.....Poojali....

      but don't quit just yet...this from a person who has given up on rosy notions...made peace with a lot of things....i just am waiting to see the fourth promo play out.....in entirety....do see it without getting affected...I am still affected tho......i can't change that for the moment....

      I still have hopes that Arnav's real dilemma will play out and that will be when Khushi is not with him.....when all information is out in the open......

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    3. Srisri, here the link to ArHi uncut....
      http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3190270

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    4. Thanks Rekha and Geeta:) Will watch the uncut - from the comments here looks like our Anji is consistent with "mera kaam ho gaya , now I can rain sweetness" behavior :)

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    5. Srisri, yes that wat anji is doing......now Khushi all goody good for her......

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    6. Sri, very well put ... yes, it was fundamentally a betrayal of trust by Khushi today ... love is nothing without trust, we saw that in Arnav all through, all along Khushi trusted him and his judgement, to the extent she didn't tell even her own family about the reason for their marriage and how she was treated. But today she went behind his back and overturned his wishes ...

      Like I said, though, it was all for Di ... because Arnav has put it into her head time and again that Di and her happiness is the most important thing for him ... till the day he loses his temper on Khushi and shouts at her, "I don't care what happens to Di, it's her choice whether she wants that creepwa or not, but YOU matter to me, YOUR safety is most important to me ..." till he gets it across that SHE is the number one priority of his life, Khushi will not change. And for that to happen, like Rekha said, he first needs to acknowledge it to himself.

      It's already happening ... if this is in fact what the makers want to portray ... the night Di lost her baby, Arnav's fb's were only about the mehndi and his own happiness with Khushi, not Di's tears - not once!
      Tonight again, he didn't bother about Shyam being back or Di's happiness in his return and being angry about that, he was only thinking about Khushi.

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    7. Dia,
      Its a fictitious character and I am probably overanalyzing instead of swallowing what they show us :)

      But I do not agree that she has to be told she is paramount in his life to do what is right.

      We can argue that she transposed Di's wellbeing to Arnav's happiness and so she did it - and it would have been perfectly ok if she did it when she did not know his opinion on it. The fact that she blatantly flouted what he wanted, to go with her assumption of what would make him happy that in itself is a problem.Irrespective of where she sees herself in the pecking order, she needs to respect his wishes.That is another line she crossed yesterday.

      Knowing that she is numero uno in his life might help her get out of the self-sacrificing mode but how is it going to help get her out of the supercilious - "I know what is good for everything mode" - Anjali nahi to koi aur avenue sahi :)

      Chalo chodo - I guess I am so upset cos I was passionately supporting Khushi from the first episode, could connect with her most of the time , and now I can't..The problem is in my attachment and in expectations :) Note to self : Remember Bhagavad Geeta - be detached , be an observer :)

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    8. Sri....sweetie...i am guilty of the same charge.....overanalysing.....since i am guilty...i am carrying on...sazaa badegi toh nahin na......

      i remembered a song from Anubhav...the basu bhattacharya one starring Sanjeev Kumar and Tanuja....i do not remember the movie well but somehow the song stayed with me....as it epitomises this feeling called love, which we think we know about but it has the ability to pose questions always....


      phir kahin koi phool khila, chahat na kaho usko
      phir kahin koi deep jala, manzil na kaho usko
      phir kahin koi phool khila

      mann ka samundar pyasa hua, kyun kisi se mange dua
      lehro ka laga jo mela, tufan naa kaho usako
      phir kahin koi phul khila

      dekhe sab woh sapne, khudhi sajaye jo humne
      dil unse behal jayey toh, rahat na kaho usako
      phir kahin koi phool khila

      when i first heard the song, i never understood, what Gulzaar saab is really trying to say...one reason was the picturisation does not give away anything of what is meant...i can't say that i know it now but that is the beauty of the expression love...when we feel we know it all...it throws up another googly.....this song even today tells me love cannot be seen by the same eyes by everyone......it is a simple emotion made complex by how different people feel it...mehsoos karte hain

      I am appending the YT link for anyone interested in listening to this lovely song.....
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i40o6DEdIy0

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  7. Madsie,
    You have really hit the nail on the head..when iOS. Anjali deceit going to get exposed .?how long are the CVs going to show the villains winning ?Also what happened to the hurt feet of Anji.. Some miracle ointment ???she is walking around pretty normally now. Am really really mad at her.

    Also at the moment my sympathies are with Arnav
    ESP. When he saidv that Khushi was the only person he had trusted and allowed in his heart and she destroyed his bharosa...tho. I also feel sorry for Khushi...as they say way to hell is paved with good intentions or some such...

    Happy birthday to Mona and lots of sunshine to your great daughter.

    Riya

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  8. I have a new name for the show...

    "Iss addiction ko kya naam doon?"

    nafrat (for Mr and Mrs Snake Jha) paas aane na de,
    mohabbat (for ArHi) door jaane na de..

    jab nafrat aur mohabbat dono ho saath.. toh, iss addiction ko kya naam doon?

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  9. to all those who haven't watched it yesterday -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOjuTKSiLn4&feature=youtu.be

    highly recommended to regain your sanity!! :P

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  10. some useles qns i know which will never be answered by cvs... m hopin some of you will....

    why didnt khushi tell arnav that creepwa was meeting his precious di behind everyones back?? for everytime she goes "di keliye" atleast once she could have said, now atleast v can keep an eye on creepwa, lest he would be coming into ur house right under ur nose, and since you are blinded with belief abt ur di, you wouldnt even know whats happening.

    i was totally rooting for arnav today... and i liked the incomplete feeling... just gave me hope that tmrw we mite have some arhi scenes... lord m tired of Mr and Mrs creeps. seriuosly now, do they really have to devote screen space to soup feeding and medicines? where is the love story everybody signed up for?

    what is with nani's expressions? i couldnt make out if she is angry at creep, or disgusted with him? or happy fo anji? same with payaash too.. only NK was spot on! i love this guy more and more everyday... he atleast snubbed shyam for his sickly sweet pretenses.

    and the last part, abt cryanji wanting to get over the hadsaa.. women u lost a child! i understand ki u dint sport a baby bump and dint feel o look pregnant, but you dnt call u miscarriage a hadsaa... is thats all you feel for a lost baby?you get over ur baby in a span of 2 days? Db's best performance and most believable one at that was that first hospital scene... the only time she managed to squeeze out some sympathy... these days she is back to making all her screen time puke worthy....

    the shyam-arnav confrontation looked mandatory.. like every week you need to have a hero villain show down! guys, its BORING! and i couldnt catch one word that passed between them... what was BS saying again?

    m still hoping the wedding is not called off fo this reason... A and K are beyond these MUs... yes arnav is angry at khushi and he has every right to be angry... what she did was a betrayal of trust... khushi may have valid reasons, but arnav is not the one to reason when hurt and angry... but he wasnt ASR there.... he let khushi talk atleast a couple of sentences... i dont think khushi used her opportunity wisely... emphasizing the point that creepwa is his di's hubby when the guy is boiling in rage with the betrayal his di had to suffer at creeps hands isnt the wisest of things to do... he has even told he that creep reminds him of his dad and his betrayal... but this shouldnt make him call off the wedding... that destroys the foundation of trust b/w them!

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  11. Hey krish...missed u...

    Sometimes i feel the Cvs secretly want us to get so pissed with the Shyamli show and so when they will show friction on ARHI, we will lap it up like manna from heaven...then we won't look a gift-horse in the mouth...all logical qs out of the window only arhi prem....

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    1. *hugs* Rekha!! i missed this place too... was so quite caught up with assignments and other stuffs...

      the way they are pissing ppl off, i dnt think even arhi scenes are gng to help much... i'm on the verge of quitting... dunno why m still watchin....

      hadd hoti hai yaar, how can the cvs still concentrate so much on Mr and Mrs creep and ignore A-K??? IPK looks like a mad house, with no sense or sensibility!

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  12. Show is trying to come back on track:

    WT* is back
    Jalebi is back
    Arnav who confronts issues is back
    Khushi who buries the issues is back
    Shyam is back in RM *phew*
    ASR is back
    Khushi...waiting for her to come back.

    (Now can WE officially ban kyon dard hai RV in all its forms, Pleaseee.

    The bg music when Arnav and Khushi are thinking about each other at night is just perfect, Kindly have mercy on my ears if not on my sensibilities. Thank you.)

    Arnav and Khushi Scenes:

    They have an argument, Arnav feels rightly let down, Of all the people in the world it is his Khushi whom he trusted enough to believe she would not go against his decision.

    Yet she did. He is hurt and disappointed.

    She continues to justify her decision once again making the mistake of not thinking the decision through.

    She is hurt and disappointed.

    Can someone get a psychologist here please?

    For Di....whose medical condition improves dramatically once her hubby comes back?

    For Arnav....For thinking he knows the best for his Di...Actually he does, but just this once he needs to let go, let Anjali take full control of her life, make mistakes enabling and empowering her to take the best decision of her life in the coming days.

    For Khushi...For once thinking through the consequences, putting herself first of having to deal with Shyam day in and day out..

    A guy who openly lusted after her, almost killed both her and Arnav and think whom she values more ,whom would she rather see alive - Arnav or his Di

    Later,

    Both upset at the turn of events, thinking about each other.

    Next morning, true to self, he calls her wanting to sort things out.
    She picks up, instantly happy that it is him and then remembers their fight.
    She cuts the phone.

    He tries again.
    She cuts the phone again, burying the phone in vegetables...not willing to talk it out or sort it out.

    Family scene:

    Can I say I loved the way the family reacted, everyone is relieved Anjali is better but none have forgotten about Shyam.

    Did Akash hand over an envelope to Shyam? What was that about ?(Was it to say apni biwi khud sambhalo, pareshaan kar diya humain)


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  13. part 2

    Anjali sitting at the center of the bed with Shyam and Dadi on her either side. Former wants to
    harm her knowingly the latter is harming her unintentionally.

    One side is NK all alone. Someone who is just not buying Shyam's presence or his act who has seen the worst of Shyam -lusting after Khushi and kidnapping Arnav and is very vocal about it, silenced later by Dadi.

    The other side are the Payal, Mami, Akash.

    Payal and Mami have seen it first hand his intentions about Khushi. Akash has seen neither side and yet he choses to believe his Bhai's version without any proof.

    After all between a brother whom you have seen conquer life's odds for 14 years and a Jijaji you have known for 4 years, It is an easy choice really.

    All three not impressed with Shyam and sternly keeping an eye on him. The question is will their belief in Arnav continue or its foundations shaken by Shyam especially Mami & Akash's.

    Nani is sitting at the other hand, relieved that she has got her grand daughter back and will not be losing her just like she lost her daughter is sitting on the far end. She has heard the truth from Arnav's side, has immense trust in him and Khushi and watches from a distant as if judging Shyam.

    Can I say I am glad that barring Dadi who is finally impressed with Khushi for bringing Shyam back, none of the family are happy about his return or his wanting to bury the past so soon.

    Arnav Shyam scene.

    I am going to skip Shyam Anjali scenes rather would focus on this one.

    Shyam trying his best to smooth talk Arnav, trying to convince Arnav as MU.

    Arnav listens patiently, he is starting to understand why Khushi brought Shyam back. Against
    his better judgement is reconciling himself to give him another chance till Shyam utters
    the word Khushi.

    Arnav totally loses it then. He is not fooled by Shyam BE it his feelings towards Anjali or Khushi

    He warns Shyam one final time, stay away from Khushi and reminding him his stay is temporary - as soon as Di is okay, he will be chucked out.

    Wedding

    Boy that was fast, Anjali got over it soon. Okay why am I complaining,lol.

    So Shyam wants to get in the good books of everyone, wants the wedding back on track except Arnav has other plans.

    Final thoughts:

    Show is trying hard to come back.

    Would have loved if we had a scene where family discusses Shyam's return.

    Would have preferred a more detailed conversation between Arnav and Khushi.

    Arnav- Khushi scene - A hint for the future?

    arnav - How can you go against me Khushi? It is my mother we are talking about.
    khushi - I don't want to go against you, please understand. It is my mother we are talking about.

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    1. Shwethu ... LOVED your post today :)))
      Late here, will reply tomorrow in more detail

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    2. Shwetha,
      Loved your post..the family's reaction was perfect...especially Payal who gave a helpless, disgusted look (though they did not focus on it).

      Hated that Shyam feeding Anjali scene in front of the whole family- dadi does not mind 'this' show of affection in public?

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  14. Shwethu...

    once long ago...in R&R,we had this discussion on how this premise of love for di v/s love for spouse was such a stupid premise....not comparabel at all....and we had that sacrifice in love debate too and all tat

    At that stage, we all said, it works only in the situation when one can empathise with Di and her pain becos these bro-sis have such a beautiful relationship, their emo baggage and all that...(i was skeptical then too for other reasons becos i felt it was about perspective in relationships) but that premise has totally collapsed...no one feels an iota of sympathy for this woman and so all actions of Arnav and Khushi will look like stupid actions to viewers...CVs, how could u do this to ur love story?

    No sacrifice is worth it for such a selfish woman

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  15. Gosh, my sentiments exactly for the behena show and believe me, i watched only last ten minutes of that epi (yesterday's epi, actually it does not air until much later here)

    when she steps out alongwith her husband to go somewhere...i was moved by that dialogue rendered before the diety and it was a moving speech and the actress did so well. I have no idea about how the show is doing on a day to day basis...i just happened to see it while surfing and was moved by that speech...when she said, i don't know whether i am doing the right thing or wrong but it before u the maker and was so happy to see her husband comfort her....that is nayi soch for me really....

    I actually liked the girl today....even Gargi's lawyer did well in that scene....

    If they have taken up such a sensitive portrayal of that track, i guess they might be doing welll...I could never form a connection for the serial from the start so i never gave it a chance......anyways i am not going to start....

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  16. Dia, can i give u a warm warm HUG...LOVED ur Post today.....it gives me some hope.....the way u have described Arnav's feelings....to me the turning point in the story was when Arnav realises, where Khushi is concerned, it was always about them never anyone else....never ever...not even Di.....Are we there yet, Dia? I hope so.....

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    1. me too!! :) :) I WAS actually waiting for your post more than ever today, to help me connect the missing dots...and your post did it.. :) thank you sooo much!! :) and lots of hugs!! :) now I can patiently wait until I watch the epi tomorrow..

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    2. Rekha,
      I saw the episode and I don't know why you and Dia think ASR has not realised it yet - I think he has, else he would not opened up to her the way he did.And that is why Khushi's betrayal is so shattering to him...Anjal - is and always will be his Di to him - irrespective of how much he loves Khushi , his Di has been there for him for 14 years - and he is not going to brush her away - and why do the relationships have to be mutually exclusive- the art is in balancing them.

      I felt for him today and for the first time I could not feel any sympathy for Khushi at all.. ASR now is in the battle alone ..cos he can no longer trust Khushi with anything important to him - irrespective of her intentions, her judgement is suspect in his eyes..he may forgive her but can he ever trust her to be the ardhangini and not a capricious kid ?

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    3. Sri, he has realised it internally but he has not verbalised it ... for heavens sake, 2/3/ whatever days ago in IPKland, he repeated YET AGAIN that he married Khushi only to save Di's marriage!!! And that as long as Di is happy, everything is all right, when Di is unhappy everything is wrong!!! When is the guy going to admit it to himself that he has a life, he is entitled to that life ... he has spent his entire adult life taking care of his Di, and done a pretty darned bad job, I might add, if this is the result ... he needs to let go now!

      The promise to take care of his Di and never let her be unhappy again was the promise of a young immature boy, a child of 14 ... he has faithfully nibhaoed that promise as long and as best as he could ... but there are things beyond his control, and he never had the maturity to understand that he CANNOT prevent ALL unhappiness from touching his Di. It was never within his power, it is not in the power of anyone, parent or sibling ... but he is still crushed under the weight of that promise ...

      And so is Anjali. She truly believes that it is his solemn binding duty to take care of her happiness at all cost, to put HER before his own happiness. No wonder every time the question of "Arnav loves his Di so much, he will look after her happiness at the cost of his own" came up, all Anjali did was simper happily and say "YES, he will."

      I always felt then too that it was a most unnatural reaction ... how can any older sibling ask that of a younger one? A much more natural reaction would be 'He might want to, but I will never allow him to sacrifice his happiness for mine" ... isn't that what any parent or older sibling would say?

      So Arnav has brown up burdened with that debt to his own promise ... it is high time he breaks himself free from its shackles, and says ... 'I looked after Di to the best of my ability, but it's now time to let her go ... I have my life to live, and my promise to my own wife to fulfill. And Di has to live her own life ... I cannot live it for her, or safeguard her from every evil.'

      Anjali has never grown up because he has never let her. He has to let her go now, the way every parent has to let their child go, for their own benefit and growth ... sure the child will make mistakes, will stumble and fall, and the parent will be there to support ... but no parent can prevent all the falls ... and they should not.

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    4. contd ...
      I did not feel sympathy for Khushi for what she did because they actually discussed this and he said categorically he wasn't going to allow Shyam back, yet she got him back ... but on the other hand, like I said, Khushi has been fed ad nauseum with the line "Di is most important to me, if Di is happy, everything is fine" ... she thought that seeing Di happy with Shyam back would make Arnav happy ... WHY did it not??!! BECAUSE DI IS NOT PARAMOUNT ANY MORE IN ARNAV'S LIFE ... KHUSHI IS.

      And if you say that now he knows what a lying murderous scumbag Shyam is, so he was doubly sure, well, he already knew for a long time that Shyam was a deceiver and cheating his Di ... why did he let him stay in the house for so long? Because it made DI HAPPY, it was what DI NEEDED ... but now Di's happiness, her need, is NOT everything for him ... Khushi's safety is more important. YET he cannot acknowledge this to himself ... let alone to Khushi.

      As for Khushi, the cv's have butchered her character to glorify Arnav's ... so I am disgusted with the cv's for taking this route rather than with Khushi ;) She was intelligent enough during Arnav's kidnapping not to fall for Shyam's lies, and ulta to turn around and hoodwink Shyam himself ... but they have conveniently given her amnesia about that part in order to keep ASR intact. Which I strongly dislike ... Khushi is my favorite character, and I hate her being butchered!!!
      But if this is the route they are going, and the next track is to show Arnav HIS mistake and its contribution to what Khushi did today, then I will feel the cv's redeemed themselves. If not, I will detach further!

      But that is why, although I did agree that Khushi was dead wrong in what she did, I also saw where she was coming from ... besides, if they had shown her doing the smart thing, calling the doctor, trying more and more to reach Arnav while Di collapsed further, it would have just stretched the Di-rama and made things worse ... so am glad they wrapped it up in one episode and got Shyam back into the house ... that was the end-point, and they reached it quickly. Now hopefully the focus can go back to Arshi and their relationship ... this whole miscarriage track was very badly written and acted even worse!

      TRP's are out ... hopefully cv's will see the writing on the wall and cut Creepali scenes to a minimum now!

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    5. Dia,

      Alal i hoped was they had shown her consulting with at least Nani and highlighting her dilemna of having promised Arnav to not bring the creep in but she could not bear to see Di in is state either.

      In one of the recent episodes, I recall Arnav saying Di was his responsibiliy. She has come down to being his responsibility from being his world. He just needs to acknowledge it and Anjali has to face upto it.

      And I hope Arnav's Stop it in the last scene is to tell the family and esp his Di that she cannot start and stop his life as she chooses to. What I am liking about him is the rage is there but the restraint too.

      With Khushi, the team needs to get their dialogues better and show the dilemna she faces between what needs to be done and what Arnav wishes and so does she. Like Arnav knew he needd to hurt her but then he could not in the earlier days.

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  17. Thank you Dia for your post. Just watched the epi and I will have to watch the rerun later.
    My thoughts - I feel deeply sorry for both of them. They were just coming together and then another tragedy hits them. I know she should have waited and discussed, given her point of view and tried to change Arnav's mind, but that wasn't going to happen fast enough for the manipulating Di. She was willing to fade until she got what she wanted. Someone was going to give and it just happened to be khushi. I just keep coming back to the same conclusion. Khushi did it for him. Yes,he has a point about trust, but if she didn't care and love him so much she wouldn't have done what she did. I think Arnav should take a look at how his sister is now and see how she has manipulated the whole situation. He tells Khushi that she has broken his trust, what about his sister. He is cross with Khushi, why is he not equally cross and angry with his di. Khushi is hurt by his words again and maybe deservedly, but she only thought of him and his di. Hope the snake gets found out soon, really cringe when he starts spouting his rubbish. Well done NK, the only one to speak up, love the boy.

    Lin

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    1. Yep, Lin ... that is my issue as well ... why is he not equally angry with his Di? Did she not betray him by not accepting his verdict, and by asking for Shyam back, despite him telling her SHyam is scum? The answer is I guess what I have been saying for some time ... again Arnav is guilty in not telling Anjali the entire truth at first go ... of not telling her what Shyam told him to his face on the terrace, the way he told Nani. And so he does understand Anjali asking for her husband back and can forgive her, but Khushi knows how vile the scumbag is, yet she went behind Arnav's back and got him back. I think what hurt Arnav the most was that they had talked about it, she agreed with what he said, YET she got Shyam back.

      I think Anjali was acting all along ... her miraculously quick recovery seemed to indicate that. ANd what I liked was that Nani and Mami were quite disgusted by the show of romance by the lovebirds, and the fact that they were so quick to forget the lost baby and be ready to celebrate the wedding ... hopefully that will bring home to Nani and Mami that Anjali is not as sweet and innocent as she seems!

      Loved NK for speaking up ... well done! Wish they had given a few lines to Akash and Payal too, at least discussing between themselves, don't know why they insist on giving so much screen time to Creepali and don't use the rest of the cast ... not just Arhi, but even the others! Very poor writing and direction!

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  18. Dia,
    Agree wholehearted with you.No older sibling will want his or her happiness at the cost of a younger one esp.if the younger one thinks of the elder as mother figure .Here Anjali has been shown to be most selfish and manipulative ,a fact we already knew and had discussed too on R&R earlier but cvs ,I think have added more negativity to her character almost making her vile.

    I am mad at Khushi but even more with Anjali. Both women have shattered Arnav bharosa..about K he has come to know but I shudder to think what will happen when his beloved Di duplicity is exposed.

    Only saving grace after such an episode is coming to R&R and reading your edit..thanks a million Dia.


    Riya.

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  19. So Khushi's mehndi comes off...so they need to put it again...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9e5yt2i5Ak

    I don't know what to expect anymore but I do hope that Arnav doesn't say that this marriage will not happen...I hope he says it will not happen right now until Di is all better. The moment he says the marriage will not happen its like acknowledging that they weren't married all this time which seriously undermines Khushi's image and position. He's always maintained that they're getting remarried- going through the motions of all the rasams to pacify the elders...He should stick to that and either say...

    1. In light of recent events we're not going the whole nine yards...mandir, phere and family . full stop. we're already married and now i just wanna get it over and done with.

    2. We're going to wait till Di is completely alright and doesn't need Shyaam and then we'll get married.

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    1. Gargi,

      I am so itching now for an Anjali Arnav rift fuelled by Shyam and Dadi.

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  20. Yayyyyyyy TRP at 2.3 ... God I can't believe I am happy with this. Now they have got their maha milap too and with the TRP and promo which was supposed to be out by yesterday midnight not airing can we hope against hope they have for time being at least moved their focus back on the actually and TRP maiyyas leads.

    After a long time I had few dil pe tandak padne wali moments -

    ASR hurt because it if Khushi "baath tuhmari hai isiliye faraq parta hai"

    ASR stated the exact reason to Khushi, also declared SHE is the most closest to him.

    Both yearning for each other at night.

    ASR choking VLR because he dared uttered Khushis name. VLR with Di because of Di he can tolerate still and of course because Khushi wants it too but anything to do with Khushi he is not going to tolerate.

    ASR shuts his Di up infront of entire family for the first time and reason was not because Di is not in her senses.

    Familys disapproval of Creeps arrival ... Sayanis happiness not withstanding.

    Family bewildered at Anjali over the mere HADSA in her life.

    NK and Nani as always firmly team ArHi.

    So many proper reactions in 1 episode ... WOW !!

    I can so live with it in IPKland till of course next episode because tomorrow is another day.

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  21. Yesterday was one of those days when IPK went beyond my expectations.
    I expected to see the passion of a lover beneath the anger, and boy, did I get to see it- in a totally different way!

    When Shyam takes di’s name, he gets girly punches…when he takes Khushi’s name, he is at the receiving end of murderous rage! And all this without compromising on ASR’s or Khushi’s characters too…

    What I expected: ASR totally loses with Khushi- may be K explains why she did it- he will get her point…may be they will touch on ‘I can’t stand that man because of what he did to you’.

    OR totally have a shouting match and both refuse to see the other's pov OR
    ASR shouts- Khushi leaves in tears

    Instead I got this:
    1. ASR throws a new barb at Khushi- you betrayed my trust…I should not have allowed you to get so close to me that you can hurt me.
    2. This deepens Khushi’s confusion about ASR-she had thought he'd understand her better than this- “hum unke baare mein kuch jaante nahi hain”- but she is not one to sit and beg for his forgiveness- why should she?
    3. Why can’t he understand why she did it?- that she did it for him.
    4. The passion of a lover is SHOWN, but only to the audience- Gul has decided it is not yet time for Arnav to confess to Khushi?
    5. He tries to reach out- she is still upset.
    6. ASR’s ‘what the’ when he realizes biwi cut the phone- PERFECT!



    How long is this fight going to last?
    Will this influence Khushi if she has to make a decision- if she is forced to make a decision?

    Not the “you should’ve understood me better, you cannot go on hurting me- learn to say sorry”- that she has already explained- “humein aadat hai. Chot khaane ki- aapse”(re-living past – throwing tea epi). She can take his anger....

    But this:
    “You feel I have betrayed your trust…Will you be able to take my mother’s involvement in your past…I know you hate that man…I had to get him back for your di…and I know YOU HATE THAT WOMAN…that woman happens to be my mother…Won’t I end up betraying your trust again?

    Gul brings out something new every week to suggest what could be the next hurdle for Arhi-yesterday I had this thought- it is always within themselves, right?

    It is not a di or dadi or BFTP who separates them…it is their lack of communication.

    Want to post a link to sunshine 99’s article on Monday- please read it.
    Excellent POV written very simply!
    The next page has sonshine’s ‘this day that year’.

    http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3188817

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  22. Rekha,

    No sacrifice is worth it for such a selfish woman:
    this premise of love for di v/s love for spouse was such a stupid premise.:

    I feel more and more, they may not take that line at all.

    In fact, the most out of place dialogue yesterday:

    Anjali: "aap aayiye, hum jaa rahe hain"- to the family or to dadi in particular.
    It was out of place, because Anjali and Shyam were not going out , I think.
    It was like the dialogue was written as if Anjali's character was welcoming dadi's character- hamara kaam ho gaya, ab aapki baari hai- means we'll see Anjali fading now and dadi back with BFTP?


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    1. Dia,

      yes, it was fundamentally a betrayal of trust by Khushi today ... love is nothing without trust, we saw that in Arnav all through, all along Khushi trusted him and his judgement, to the extent she didn't tell even her own family about the reason for their marriage and how she was treated. But today she went behind his back and overturned his wishes ...

      I feel like this:
      She trusted herself here- trusted she was doing the best thing for his family- and expected and went ahead with the full TRUST that he WILL UNDERSTAND why she did it...afterall what other alternative did he have to suggest other than put Anjali, the whole family (and the viewers )thru more MISERY?
      Ultimately, THIS was the only option, right.He couldn't make it right for Anjali all these days...what is he going to do now?

      I feel HE BETRAYED that trust she had in him- that their love'd make him understand why she did it...and Khushi's anger is not misplaced..Love drove him to that phone call...but understanding still has to come with Di explaining Khushi to him...Kya shatir dimaag hai? Everytime Anjali has to explain???
      No wonder Khushi looks pissed off in the re- mehandi segment!

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  23. A thought on Arhi separation if it is going to happen:

    What if:

    Dadi uses Garima’s past to blackmail Khushi out of the marriage?

    And she cannot tell Arnav because she does not want him to think badly about her Amma.
    And Garima being Payal’s Amma too, Khushi wouldn’t want dadi spilling the beans, thus affecting Payal's respectability too in the sasuraal… May be Khushi is also unsure of how ASR’d react to Garima being BFTP…and she does not clear the issue with Garima too, because she suddenly remembers how Garima tried to avoid dadi…she does not want to put her Amma thru more trauma… and therefore backs out of the marriage.

    Now it will be ASR’s turn to pry the secret out of her- a mini track of which we saw in the biwi manaofy track.

    This is what I wrote just before y'day's episode...did not get to post it.

    In the light of yesterday,

    I am getting a hint of what Gul could be trying to show us...the reason why Khushi will not want to discuss it with ASR...CAN HE TAKE IT?

    And will it feel like a betrayal to him again?
    She cannot hurt her Amma and she cannot hurt him...therefore she canot disclose this awful truth.

    (If he had shown trust with her bringing Shyam back- that'd have been one step forward for them...instead he feels betrayed...does he have the same feelings as her? Or isn't family always more important to ASR? Should she tread in to that space to which she has been denied entry...)

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  24. Sri,
    I read your post only now and saw it was addressed to me:
    Trust :
    He trusted her to be his lieutenant in his absence, not subvert him and his authority in the house as she did. That is the basic principle of being a team- you do not undermine each other.
    She with-held information that was critical, that shyam was in the house despite his security measures - in any terms that is betrayal of trust.

    This is how I feel.

    Khushi did not UNDERMINE Arnav- she wanted to discuss it with him face to face and not over the phone. She thought they needed to sit down and talk about it: it is not a trivial matter that you can discuss over the phone.

    She did not SUBVERT him: She tried to contact him multiple times over the phone.

    She did not WITH HOLD INFORMATION: she was waiting for the right time to say it...with a person like ASR, you get only one chance to put your point forward- she knows it- and she wants it to be her best foot forward- so she waited.

    If you call Khushi brainless, I'll not agree or disagree with you. It is each person's perspective.
    But if you say she CROSSED A LINE or undermined him, I'll have to disagree with you. (What am I saying? To what extent can a wife decide for her husband? That is also each one's perspectve!)

    In fact, I'll be disappointed if she goes back and says sorry to him. I want her to stay angry with his betrayal of her trust in him that he'd understand- when Khushi did this she did it with his family in mind and ONLY his family in mind.

    She did it with only the best of intentions.

    If she undermined Arnav, then she better apologise to him.

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    1. Su,
      butting in to respond tho the post was addressed to Sri....

      If there cannot be agreement on whether Khushi was brainless or not in the situation, much less there can be on whether she betrayed his trust or not.....

      If intentions can decide how an action is classified in relationships, it would be a simple matter of only clarifying the intention just like Khushi did yesterday...but here comes in the classic debate of ends and means....

      If u take a unilateral decision on a matter when the feelings of your partner are discounted/ignored/rationalised, u must be prepared to defend action, defend motive and so much so...to be able to live with ur actions irrespective of consequences...becos it means that ur action was of greater need/significance than the buy-in of ur decision by ur partner.....

      Yes, unilateral decisions do get taken in relationships...but when they do....it must be able to stand scrutiny...not from our perspective but the perspective of the persons involved.

      This being a story, we bring in our own sensibilities into the equation...which is why Sri is saying Khushi has betrayed his trust...i agree with her view 100% but from the POV of story, i can also see Dia's point on the matter of how Khushi sees this as a decision she has taken becos of what value she assumes for Di in Arnav's life.....Not too long ago,he said to Khushi i married u becos of Di....

      But i agree this perspective was not conveyed very well by the narrative. I am also of the view that Khushi is yet not sure of her position in his life....that has not played out yet....she knows she is important but does not know that when push comes to shove, Arnav will put his own feelings for her on a higher plane.

      Now coming back to the silly question on why there should be any choosing to do between these two...In life, normally, this aspect is never tested in these terms.....and frankly, these aspects are not comparable at all and thank heavens for that!!

      u can can have cases of the woman saying, u love ur mother more than me blah blah etc....but somehow Gul has picked a unique tale to tell...so this dilemma....A man who promises to protect his sister from unhappiness but is placed in a unique position where the one man that is central to his Di's happiness is the happiness that he cannot ever promise to provide...becos of who he represents in his life....we have reached that point of conflict.....finally!!

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    2. Rekha,

      1. "Yes, unilateral decisions do get taken in relationships...but when they do....it must be able to stand scrutiny...not from our perspective but the perspective of the persons involved."
      I am saying the same here.


      "To what extent can a wife decide for her husband? That is also each one's perspectve!)"

      I feel if Khushi betrayed Arnav's trust (I'd say she betrayed his expectations) he betrayed her trust too.

      That is why I hope he will be the one to apologise to her. But most likely it will be the other way around.

      2. "A man who promises to protect his sister from unhappiness but is placed in a unique position where the one man that is central to his Di's happiness is the happiness that he cannot ever promise to provide...becos of who he represents in his life....we have reached that point of conflict.....finally!!"


      This is what I was trying to tell you.
      ASR has already said that he'll tolerate Shyam till di gets fine. And Anjali wants the marriage to happen NOW.
      I am wondering where is the conflict?
      Has ASR also not decided to accept the bitter medicine?

      Have we reached that point of conflict?
      When we reach that point, IMO, ASR has only one way out- use his shatir dimag, expose Shyam and get Di to slap him- which is what I feel will happen.
      Right now, the drama of BFTP might take over Operation Expose Shyam...just my thought.

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    3. Su,
      the conflict is in what he had decided then and what he has to do now.....becos it is no longer easy for him to do that.....That is what the Gul has been aiming for....the past six months were about that.....when he took the decision of marrying Khushi...he told himself that it was all about Di...i will wait until she gives birth to the baby and i will oust these cheating duo out of their lives...(its another matter, even unknown to his conscious mind, he did what he did becos of not being able to face rejection as a lover as well) and we saw what happened in these six months....he fell more irrevocably in love with her...more and more...every step, yeh sach jhoot ki baat nahin anymore...so much so that when he reached the point of ousting someone, he only ousted Shyam....

      we have seen what followed, his SKD, his Di is happy and reconciled, she is going to have a baby and his love is reciprocated. Then boom...disaster strikes, his Di tells him, bring back my husband....
      his love goes behind his back(sorry for the use of the phrase) and brings back his enemy...telling him this is what his Di wants and the solution is no longer palatable for him....whether the one that Di wants or even the one he thinks he will do...oust him when she is ok....its going be lot tougher than the last six months....becos this is a changed ASR....

      Use of shatir dimag or not, i have no idea how it will pan out....but Anji slapping Shyam is no longer HOT NEWS....i say purely from narrative perspective..i am neutral to all characters including ARHI
      Gul may have intended this but she has to work to restore Anji before that scenario can cause any ripples...for me conflict is a large pull in itself...I understand Arnav's confict...becos he has yet to see how ingrained Shyam is in Anji's psyche and he has yet to see that Khushi does not know what his real probem is....

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    4. Rekha,
      I think I might be missing your point here. Please correct me.

      "I understand Arnav's conflict...becos he has yet to see how ingrained Shyam is in Anji's psyche and he has yet to see that Khushi does not know what his real probem is...."

      Actually, I really think we have too many hopes on ASR's shatir dimag- for all you know,like Sandy predicted long back, it will be Anjali herself who will discover the kameenapan.
      And probably, that is the only way she will accept it too- when she sees for herself.
      So for all we know, the conflict will remain a conflict in ASR's mind and Anjali herself might stumble on the solution.

      "he has yet to see how ingrained Shyam is in Anji's psyche ":
      He already knows a bit about that at least from the way she thanked him for bringing back Shyam.

      "he has yet to see that Khushi does not know what his real problem is....": This bit confuses me, I am sorry. I think I am not getting your point.
      1. What is the real problem? That he cannot have Shyam back because he cannot stand having him in the same house as his wife?
      Is this what you meant?
      If so, why does it matter that Khushi should know this?

      And anyway, the point is that he hates the guy, I thought.
      What he did to both Anjali and Khushi are unpardonable.
      So, if the other woman was not Khushi, it would've been easier to pardon Shyam.(I am hoping this was what you meant)
      But now that ASR knows Shyam is capable of murder, isn't the safety of his sister the first priority- OK even if we take t that track never existed...
      Now ASR knows how Shyam has WIGGLED his way in manipulating dadi and di...Should that not be the first concern? How can he ever trust this guy again, even if Khushi was not the 'other woman'.

      I guess what I am trying to say is, hasn't this gone beyond the two women, isn't Shyam a bigger villain than a cheat and a lecher?


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  25. has it been a day or a week after anjali's miscarriage? if it is a week, i can accept.. anjali slowly wasting away, the family helpless, khushi tried to talk to arnav, he is being stubborn that di asking for her husband is because she is not mentally stable..

    and khushi silently agrees.. di is not mentally stable right now, if this goes on, di will do something ridiculous.. so she goes and brings shyam to RM, hoping to manao her husband afterwards. "yes, i know better than you that he is evil.. still, i am doing this for your precious sister.. because her happiness is important to both me and you dammit!"

    barun was fantastic today.. on rewatch, i teared up alongside khushi after his scolding. and the "kyun dard hai" female version did not grate as much as it did yesterday. poor bitwa.. he thought she would understand his abhorrence to that person called shyam..

    but khushi has thought one step further. she hates the man too, yet brought him back for di.. and did not stay silent to her husband, (victory dance) explained to him.. tried to make him understand that sometimes, when girls like di are delusional, it is far better to keep the peace and give the damn snake in her hand than keep it away from her while spoiling everyone's peace and inviting a suicide drama.

    everyone in RM (except arnav and dadi) understands khushi's POV.. they kept silent ONLY for anjali.. and that is clearly seen in reactions that day and the day after. many would like to beat him black and blue, but he is once again donning the mantle of "damaadji" will all haq. only, this time, more RMvaasis can see that it is an act.

    anjali's inbalance is clearly portrayed.. she is happy solely due to the presence of her husband. she has forgotten that she lost a baby. she is looking forward.. chotte ki shaadi.. (shows how much she is affected by her husband's power of suggestion)

    and chotte would rather double dettol rinse than get married to khushi under snake-ordered decorations. hence he ordered all the decorators out.. trying to say, i am still man of the house, you are just allowed the guise of damaadji, not the rights. dont try to assume rights that are not yours any more.

    arnav did realize khushi's intention when he thought back with a cool head.. which is why he called.. to apologize. but khushi is still mad at him.. how can he misunderstand her intentions at all? does he not know that she suffered more than him at evilwa's hands? (hiding the phone under spinach instead of switching it off? some symbolism, not my forte)

    the way he asked her to go.. was simply not right in her book. hence she is allowed some pricey-ness. she is not his employee anymore, she is his wife.. he should not shrug off her touch, he should be able to talk out differences.. this is a reflection of how khushi's definition of marriage is different from arnav's. you can almost say, this is old world vs new world thinking.. and i am with khushi at this decision. like Dia said, arnav needs to properly accept her as his ardhangini.. instead of treating her as a girlfriend. and he is slowly but surely taking steps towards that realization.

    quoting dia".. love is nothing without trust, we saw that in Arnav all through, all along Khushi trusted him and his judgement, to the extent she didn't tell even her own family about the reason for their marriage and how she was treated. But today she went behind his back and overturned his wishes ..."

    and now khushi is hurt because he did not trust her.. she would not be doing something that big, AGAINST his wishes, if she did not have a reason big enough. why did he not trust her ?

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    1. arnav singh raizaha has never had to think about both sides of an argument before.. if he did not like something, he stayed away from it. or sent it away. or fired htem.. you get the gist.

      khushi learned to keep her own ego one step lower to the priorities.. she learned it from the great ASR himself. remember the two wads of cash he left on her table after di wanted khushi in RM? long ago? when she really needed the money for her babuji's treatment and had no other way but to do the very thing that she abhorred doing? she knows a thing or two about making deals with the devil. arnav, for all his sad experiences, never really had to.. until now. and hence i can say with clarity that she did indeed manage to explain her point of view to her husband. everything was black and white to him.. now khushi is teaching him the shades of grey.

      quite full circle, considering that he was the one who taught her.

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    2. 'she did indeed manage to explain her point of view to her husband':

      Khushi: Aisa mat kahiye Arnav ji.. Humne sirf di

      Arnav: Enough Khushi..I always knew, kabhi kisiko itne kareeb nahi aane dena chahiye, kyunki phir wahi log tumhe chot pahunchate hain.. Galti meri hai..Ki maine tumhe apne itne kareeb aane diya..
      Isliye tumne apni hadd paar ki hai.. Mera BAHROSA toda hai!

      Khushi: Humne kabhi socha nahi tha aap aisa sochenge!


      I guess she did when he sits and thinks with a cool head.
      Beautiful post Jaya, agre with all your points, especially on Anjali.
      I guess the CVs are in a hurry to get on with the wedding.

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  26. okay, spoiler alert.. dia, gustaakhi maaf but i am so happy to see a scene that i had to share ..
    today's SBS
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONEwMCGFKtc

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  27. Interesting J...

    ur post.....i want to respond to the Anji points separately (yep,u guessed it, my fav character right now!!)

    First on the the arnafication of Khushi...seen from that angle....makes abs sense....yes, but the only problem is this Arnav has changed since he last taught...

    Oh! what a tangled web we weave
    When first we practice to deceive!

    On Anji, if the intention was to show she is totally under Shyam's power of suggestion, the last epis have done that....more or less....i have to agree..but is it a newly formed trait.....no....if it was always there, it shouldn't have surprised any of us...right? so why is everyone not seeing this?

    I am thinking aloud here,

    1) Obvious reason is that for the viewer hung up on an ARHI story, there is natural revulsion to Shyamli scenes(its unfortunate becos it can come in the way of story telling and the makers have my sympathy)
    Viewers see it as an attempt to bring Shyamli on screen without having something significant to tell.....now my question is...Cvs can't change viewer expectation but since they had to tell the story, and the intention was to tell, Anji can forget her gravest loss when she has Shyam around her, did they make use of those moments well?
    My sense is opportunity wasted.....becos the power of suggestion of Shyam was not used for the purpose it was intended

    we are not seeing this becos....the scenes of Anji tipping over the edge was glossed over by that window romance...Now, what was the window romance supposed establish?

    a) to make Anji demand Shyam to be brought home
    b) to make Khushi witness anji's calmness after Shyam's visit
    c) to make a point that Anji can only forget her baby loss becos of Shyam ....the real power of suggestion.....where at the point when nothing but a spouse's support matters

    a and b were established but what about c? ZILCH so, to lay viewers, it appears that Anji can only think about Shyam...not anything else but has Anji been like that always....If she has always been like that who can only listen to Shyam without bothering about anyone else, i can agree but we were given the impression that Chotte formed the nucleus of her life and Shyam was the brightest star without whom her life was incomplete, she was sweet, non-confrontational, thoughtful and everything nice, looked forward to her baby madly

    So when she turned to be demand Shyam, the power of Shyam's suggestion was lost on the viewer...she looked manipulative whereas she was under Shyam's hypnotism....THIS HAS BEEN MISSED BY ALL BECOS IT HAS NOT BEEN CONVEYED.

    I know i a rambling post like always but my point is only when u make complex characters, don't keep the main aspect of a character secret from the viewer, let him glimpse layer by layer....

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  28. Do any of you all recall that epi when Anjali is watering the plants, Shyam comes by the poolside but he does not notice Anjali. So she immediately turns the hose on him to get his attention forgetting all about her chotey's plants.

    Even after the wedding, she huffed to the room to complain to her mum that hotey was not listening to her, not thinking about her.

    You know the beauty of the hunger strike J, Shyam never mentioned it. There will come a day when Anjali will try to tell him I did so much for you yet you did this to me and I bet you Shyam will tell her, I never told you to do it. I told you only to take crae of yoursellf. The plan to rebel was yours and you did it for yourself, because you wanted to be with your husband but you knew you brother will not agree in the normal course of things.

    When he did not shy away from blaming it all on Khushi, once his work is done, Anjali kis kheth ki mooli hai!

    Dia,
    Again Anjali is willing to move on when hr world is ok. That day when Arnav came to her room, she was willing because Arnav agreed to have the marriage as she suggested, her hubby was back so yeh chotey we will forget all the bad things of the past that affect US. What Arnav failed to grasp that day was she neevr considered SHyam a bad past. The biggest reminder of this is in all their faces - the photo of the couple she so proudly displays in heir room. She shunned Khushi after Dhyam was thrown out, she avoided being the same room as him but she never objected to that picture.

    J,
    Nice post below.

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    1. Dang this was arply to he comment above about ANji Di and how Dia realized that Arnav is yet to tell hismelf that he married Khushi for himself more than his Di.

      J, I liked yur lamba waal post on ur thots abt teh peopl and epi

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    2. Sandy,

      the "manipulativeness" of Anji has always been a trait that has not been given the evocative power of narration required for such characters..a wishy washy portrayal at best.....becos it was always in the garb of she was doing it for collective gud...so many have not registered that anji has a compulsive need for a perfect world to the extent of making efforts to get her perfect world when push comes to shove.....

      Some images,

      1)Anji crumbling after slapgate and wondering how all this came to?
      2)Anji telling Shyam after window romance, "woh aap hum par chod do"

      Contrast this with other events.....all pretty mild in comparison

      1)Anji asks Arnav to bring back Khushi and Arnav refuses
      2)Anji leaves home and Arnav runs to fetch her back...di aap meri duniya ho?

      Another event

      1) Arnav and Khushi get married and family upset
      2) Anji accepts them after initial resistance asking them do rasam-sambhars..

      yet another event,

      1)Khushi disagrees to come to TM
      2)Anji threatens her with contract

      Another event,
      1)Arnav not agreeing to sangeet
      2)Anji going on bhuk-hartal as a ploy

      Few among us, Dia prominently, used to bring this aspect of Anji out very early on and we had discussions on it especially the emotional blackmail of Khushi,(again, they watered it by showing her upset to be doing it, whether intentional or not, i have no idea) what i am saying, leaving the first set of images, the others were all done to just move an aspect of the story. If it was to highlight this trait of Anji, it was never done with finesse...is what i am saying....so her behaviour comes as a shock to some, puzzle to some others....

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