1st - 15th June
Veera ... current track very loosely inspired by the movie Dushman ... a man kills another man in a drunken driving accident, and is sentenced to go to his village and support the dead man's widow and family. He is hated by one and all at first, and then slowly redeems himself and undergoes true penitence and reformation as he realises what his one unthinking act did, and how it destroyed so many lives. In the movie, he doesn't fall in love with the widow, he falls in love with another girl in the village ...
Lots of differences, of course, the only similarity being the hero being responsible for the death of the husband, and taking over the family's responsibilities in penitence.
Badalte Rishton ki Dastaan ...
Latest news ... Abhaas Mehta has put in his papers :(
http://www.tellychakkar.com/news/abhaas-mehta-set-quit-zee-tvs-dastaan
Show is going well, but Uma says it is under the scanner. Such a pity that the truly different shows don't get good TRPs ... no wonder makers are scared to experiment.
Qabool Hai
Madhubala ... is anyone still watching? Shaadi track here too ... for TRPs?
Na Bole Tum ... both Megha and Mohan know Addu is not the real Addu ... I didn't watch for a bit, can anyone fill me in how they found out? And is Munna back to being villain?
The scene where Mohan is told about Nanhi being in love with Beera, and he imagines her as the child Nanhi telling him she is in love, was really cute ... I think every dad sees his daughter that way, as a little girl, never really grown up, and to see another man wanting to take her away gets him boiling! Megha's nervousness about telling Mohan the truth about Nanhi's love, Nanhi's own nervousness ... all were hilarious!
Saraswatichandra ... Watched the so-called HOT scene in Saraswatichandra ... making a mountain out of a molehill!!! This seemed like a poor imitation of the Devdas-Paro scene of SLB's Devdas and they didn't even show anything much. I actually thought I had missed something! And Kumud's reactions the next morning were totally out of the 1950's ...
The Arhi farmhouse scene was far, FAR hottter, and way more aesthetically shot ... and the Samrat-Gunjan morning after scene and the Arhi morning after scene were WAY better!!!
EDIT ... Happy Second Anniversary to IPKKND ... wish the show was still on air to celebrate this milestone ...
And lots of love to all the gals here, all of us came together in mutual love and fascination for this unique show and even more unique couple.
Arnav Khushi ... Hamesha
Veera ... current track very loosely inspired by the movie Dushman ... a man kills another man in a drunken driving accident, and is sentenced to go to his village and support the dead man's widow and family. He is hated by one and all at first, and then slowly redeems himself and undergoes true penitence and reformation as he realises what his one unthinking act did, and how it destroyed so many lives. In the movie, he doesn't fall in love with the widow, he falls in love with another girl in the village ...
Lots of differences, of course, the only similarity being the hero being responsible for the death of the husband, and taking over the family's responsibilities in penitence.
Badalte Rishton ki Dastaan ...
Latest news ... Abhaas Mehta has put in his papers :(
http://www.tellychakkar.com/news/abhaas-mehta-set-quit-zee-tvs-dastaan
Show is going well, but Uma says it is under the scanner. Such a pity that the truly different shows don't get good TRPs ... no wonder makers are scared to experiment.
Qabool Hai
Madhubala ... is anyone still watching? Shaadi track here too ... for TRPs?
Na Bole Tum ... both Megha and Mohan know Addu is not the real Addu ... I didn't watch for a bit, can anyone fill me in how they found out? And is Munna back to being villain?
The scene where Mohan is told about Nanhi being in love with Beera, and he imagines her as the child Nanhi telling him she is in love, was really cute ... I think every dad sees his daughter that way, as a little girl, never really grown up, and to see another man wanting to take her away gets him boiling! Megha's nervousness about telling Mohan the truth about Nanhi's love, Nanhi's own nervousness ... all were hilarious!
Saraswatichandra ... Watched the so-called HOT scene in Saraswatichandra ... making a mountain out of a molehill!!! This seemed like a poor imitation of the Devdas-Paro scene of SLB's Devdas and they didn't even show anything much. I actually thought I had missed something! And Kumud's reactions the next morning were totally out of the 1950's ...
The Arhi farmhouse scene was far, FAR hottter, and way more aesthetically shot ... and the Samrat-Gunjan morning after scene and the Arhi morning after scene were WAY better!!!
EDIT ... Happy Second Anniversary to IPKKND ... wish the show was still on air to celebrate this milestone ...
And lots of love to all the gals here, all of us came together in mutual love and fascination for this unique show and even more unique couple.
Arnav Khushi ... Hamesha
Telly buzz article:
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Hawww...did not want to be the one to bring this news :(
This is sad ... it is a good show, but the Shyama and her old lover track is completely unnecessary, imo - too 60's BW-ish. On top of which they shifted the show to late night slot.
DeleteThey should stick to the main tracks - Balraj's evil deeds and then how Nandini and Meera bond together and expose him. I like the interweaving of the elder brother story too. The Aloka story makes more sense to me now.
Badalte: The same fate that Sugni's serial came to. Can't blame the channel. The audience will not accept a story that requires them to spend an extra minute processing. So they have to experiment and find the right mix. Never thought sapne suhaane would be such a trp raiser, with its boring plots, but it is. The audience likes something simple and shocking.
ReplyDeleteBadaltey was not a show I was planning to watch, unlike Khamoshiyan, so it does not come as a big shock. Not surprised that Abhaas quit. He was being under utilised. Frankly, I was not finding the tracks interesting. Guess I kind of switched off with Meera Vs. Nandini. Shyama's track was good, but it didn't make sense that she couldn't confide in her husband.BUt it was a well dfirected show with a good cast. If I remember right,the casting team is he same as MB's- this was a better job too.
MB: Looks interesting here and there- RK is too boring and boisterous for me. Madhu is having wedding jitters, I think- caught the last 2 minutes or something where she hyperventillates in front of Sultan, who is in a cute getup. Dipali- I watch the show for her.
NBT: Mohan knows, because asli and nakli Addu's groups don't match. Megha knows because nakli addu pointed out at asli addu's photo and called him Addu....This is one thing I don't like about this show. I don't understand why this couple has to keep secrets from each other, even if it is short lived. They have gone thru too much, to keep things from each other. Even I loved the nanhi nanhi scene with Mohan, Dia. That was brilliant.
SC: I will not compare it with IPK, but it was done quite nicely, I felt. Kumud's reactions- I thought they were exactly how a girl brought up in a traditional way would react to losing her virginity. It might have been overdone a bit, I agree. I did not get to watch it fully. The scenes with mother looked interesting, I guess she should not have been so harsh with Saras. Liked that dialogue: about ladke getting mohon ka shaap and ladkiyan getting selfcontrol ka var, and she had failed to exercise her var.......Sorry. I killed it. I am pretty sure SP will be dropping this show too, since it is too melodramatic a show to hold its trp audience.
QH: Asad- Zoya's missed kiss: was over and done with quite fast. Liked the way it was shot, different from Diwali kiss. Asad apparently might be blessed with some brains afterall, he is likely to believe Zoya, according to 'reliable' spoilers- about time too.
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3607372
A beautiful read on plate and chammach- VictoriaHot's new id.
Do read it, even if you don't follow QH.
'Love grows, evolves, learns, blooms and then, its complete. A brick is going to be a building someday. A seed is going to be a gigantic tree one day. A sea sediment is going to be a mountain some day. An embryo is going to be a human being someday. But . Between the birth and the completion lies EVOLUTION. Hiccups in evolution do not stop the evolution. The functioning of the heart is the same. It processes love likewise - if its in the right direction, then, with very test it grows and grows rock solid and stubborn.'
Oops! Sorry that I referred to badaltey in past tense- it is only under tha scanner, right? Hope it gets past this hiccup.
DeleteBadaltey ... its Ravi Ojha PH, isn't it? The people who did Sasural Genda Phool. MB is Nautanki ... the casting people can't be the same.
Deletehttp://www.dnaindia.com/entertainment/1835531/report-badalte-rishton-shifted-to-late-night-slot
Delete'It will also lead to the entry of a new lead guy Bhaumik Sampat. Initially, he will be cast opposite Nandini (Additi Gupta) but eventually the serial will revolve around him, Nandini and Meera.'
So this is the reason Abhaas quit.
I had done some research on Daastan, since I was really impressed by the cast. It took me some time to retrieve this article today.
'Umeish Yamgaar, the Casting Consultant of Nautanki Telefilms’ very popular show on Colors, Madhubala Ek Ishq Ek Junoon was ‘on the spot’ when he cast Vivian Dsena as the unpredictable RK and Drashti Dhami as Madhu. And now, Umeish spearheads the responsibility of casting for Ravi Ojha Productions’ most-awaited family drama ‘Badalte Rishton Ki Dastaan’ for Zee TV.'
http://www.desirulez.net/showthread.php?t=518054
DeleteForgot to add the link.
Ah ok. I was puzzled how MB and Dastaan could have the same casting people. Thanks, Su!
DeleteI can understand why Abhaas quit, but the new guy is not too impressive yet.
Watched the first episode of Jhalak Dikhla Ja ... Drashti was a disappointment - I thought she would be a far better dancer.
ReplyDeleteI liked Lauren - well she is a trained dancer, so she was bound to do well, but she was really good in the expressions department also, and she mouthed all the words, which I thought was very creditable. I liked Shaan too - he did a good job, and I love his ever-present smile ...
Was surprised - pleasantly by Aarti Chabria - didn't expect her to be so good.
Ranbir Kapoor is very cute ... the first BW star I have really liked in a long, long while. Witty and charming, he was fun to watch with Manish Paul. Manish and Kapil are good anchors, sometimes their repartee was a bit overdone, but they keep the banter flowing.
Drashti was so childish with her voting request. I loved her looks- thought the dance was good too, apparently the judges didn't think so, she got 8 from everyone. She is lucky she got Salman, plus she will get the popularity votes. I am a little angry with Colors for underplaying Sanaya. I don't think the judges got even a glimpse of her.
DeleteLauren was good, ofc- this is her forte. The kids are supposed to be good too- didn't watch much of IGT.
Loved Ranbir Kapoor- fell in love with this guy with Rockstar. He is good- I liked the dignified way he handled the break up with Deepika, and how they are at least, very good friends now.
To be frank, Sanaya did not dance as well as she normally does. This must have been a last minute thing for her ... I wondered why she did it, and even more, why Colors asked her.
DeleteWhy she did it, I can understand, Colors were after her for JDJ for ages, her name was one of the earliest that came up, and she must have thought about it a lot before declining. Only after that did they finalise Drashti. So when they asked her to do a guest appearance, she must have felt obliged to agree, also keeping her door open for an invite next year. I honestly am beginning to think that FK and his numerous re-takes was part of the reason for her declining ... of course, the marriage sequences in Chhanchhan are starting now and after marriage she will be on screen a lot more too, so that would be the main reason. But considering that her scenes currently have been banked almost a week in advance, I think she could have managed it if not for the time taken over the shots with FK. Another reason for me to dislike the guy!!!
Why did Colors ask her??? Because she is popular? After watching her dance, I didn't understand why ... her little 'who will be my co-host?' with Manish was cute, but could have been done without ... and it was so short anyway! Some networking tactic, I guess :)))
I felt Drashti looked a little plump ... her dress was not flattering, and the camera adds ten kilos anyway! But she is a very pretty girl, there is no doubt about that. She got Salman because she is Colors' favorite heroine ... she will go far because of votes. Dance - both Lauren and Aarti were better.
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-05-31/tv/39654672_1_vivian-dsena-drashti-dhami-saurabh-tiwari
DeleteCheck this out, Dia.
I felt there is some truth in what this guy says.
Hmm ... he sounds a bit Lalit Mohan types ... I MAKE the stars ... he has a point about TV audience vs internet audience.
DeleteBut honestly, if TRPs are measured by 8000 TRP meters, then the internet audience is not to be sneezed at. The problem is the industry has not figured out a way to measure internet audience and use it commercially. Internet audience is the younger audience, and therefore has more longevity. And he can't deny that he had to change tracks and bring in the hate marriage much earlier than originally planned, due to audience feedback ... where does he get the feedback? Mostly online, right?
He is right in saying that Drashti and VD were small actors earlier, but that's also because they were both on Star One, which as a channel has much less reach.
I was talking about the TV Vs internet audience. I get your point. BUt I guess sometimes they can asses the popularity by the sms segments too. And with th erevised trp meter...don't know how good that is.
DeleteHmm...I did wonder later how this comment would have been received, had it come from 4 Lions. I remember Get fans were pretty upset when Gul credited her creative team for the success of Geet- not that she put down her actors, just implied that the whole team deserved credit.
smile a bit
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awwwww...
DeleteSweet! Thanks!!
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Some great news for MB fans:
ReplyDelete1.Zareena Wahab to enter as Sultan's mom soon.(WOW!)
2. Neeta Lulla designs the wedding attires.
Wow!
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj3UvT6v0QA
ReplyDeletetwo year anniversary randomness by rag1n1
worth the watch
was browsing channels and saw "crazy stupid ishq" on channel v.. it is a teen drama, but it caught my eye because it was so pretty, and the dialogues were not utter cliche's.. and turns out, arshad khan is directing it! am gonna follow that show now :D
ReplyDeleteSo that's where he is ! Thanks, J. I have been searching for him.
Deletedont know what to call this.. but this is amazing..dhak dhak alert..( sensual arhi warning)
ReplyDeleteJadu Hai Nasha Hai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDi4zDcdA4k
QH: Finally, the story starts moving. Zoya has declared open war on Tanveer, and this time around she will not involve MR. Khan in her inbhestigation. She has even started connecting the dots on Tanveer’s motive- will she get till Raziya? Unlikely.
ReplyDeleteA totally unnecessary scene of a wedding planner- which did not make much sense- except for being a filler-.... Wait. It also showed Asad concerned about Zoya’s fear of fire.
SBS suggests Zoya will wear a miniskirt for Najma- gets caught by Asad- who with his newly acquired character growth thanks to ammi(miya- biwi ke jhagde unke beeech hi rehna chahiye), gives her a piece of his mind in the privacy of his room- and gets back a bigger piece of her mind. (Waiting for this one. :D)
Ayan will confront Imran- end up breaking her nikah, and probably get thrown out of his house by his mom- interesting twist.
MB: Whatay uninspired dialogue by RK as he runs to rescue Madhu whose life might be in danger from a thief- meri madhu ki jaan khatre mein hai! *head desk* How can be there so much contrast in the same show, same epi, between two characters? Sultan and Dipali rocked yesterday, even though they were not in the same frame. When the leads start looking less colourful and sensible than the rest ofd the characters, something is going wrong. I start wondering if it is two sets of writers.
Madhu tells Sultan that she will not go ahead with her plan to teach RK a lesson- RK overhears the part where she says she was going to treach him a lesson- is this why RK and Madhu look like strangers in the wedding promo? They are entering into holy matrimony with a big MU? God! As if they has not murdered RK’s character enough already!
I wonder how many people out there want Sultan to marry Madhu. I was really surprised when my niece suggested that- he really is more deserving of her. They have made RK look like a brat and Sultan, an angel.
Daastan: Looks like Balraj succeded in getting Meera’s mom killed. What a villain! How long before audience starts screaming for justice? After all, our Shyam Babu had only multiple failed attempts- he had not really murdered any one.
SC: *yawn* Gumaan corners Kumud with her ‘confession’ letter to Saras- is she going to expose her or use it to blackmail her? Here is a couple that has gone through many ups and downs, even given themselves to each other- it will be sad to see Kumud not confiding in Saras about Gumaan’s dirty tricks now. The heroine is looking very weak right now, and the vamp- is too vampish. (Missing Dips and Raziya here.)
Arnav and Khushi, office track:
ReplyDelete“Mera naam kya hai?”…. “Aap bhool gaye kya?”
Yesterday's episode of MB was clunky to say the least. The scenes were too contrived to get to the final objective of creating a MU between RK and Madhu. But if I were look past the exaggerated and unbelievable screenplay and tries to figure out what the CVs are trying to convey through this plot, this is what I see.
ReplyDeleteSimilarities and Dissimilarities of RK's and Madhu's revenge dramas:
RK's revenge drama:
He asked Madhu to give up on her family (whom she was closest to) in order to be with him. She willingly did so for she put her love for him above her own family. He rewarded her complete surrender with a gruesome betrayal as he left her at the alter.
Madhu's revenge drama:
She asked him to give up his ego (which defines him) in order to be with her. He willingly did so for he put his love for her above himself. He was rewarded by having to witness the man he hates in his own bedroom discuss with his wife her revenge plan.
The misconception and its impact:
When she embarked on her revenge plan, she thought that she can become like RK, ruthless and heartless, remaining unscathed by the damage that he unleashed. Unfortunately such an RK was merely a myth because RK was as heart broken and unhappy as she was by his misdeeds.
RK tried to salvage what was left of the shattered relationship by trying to be like Madhu, selfless and unconditional in his love, enveloping her in all his love as she did him prior to the unwedding. Unfortunately such a Madhu was also a myth. Madhu was no longer as selfless as he thought her to be. She wanted to avenge her pain as he wanted to avenge his humiliation. The only redeeming feature being that she couldn't go through with her plan because her conscience and her undying love for him stopped her from doing so.
He wanted to be like the pre-unwedding Madhu as he perceived her to be and she wanted to be like the post-wedding RK as she perceived him to be but the unwedding had changed both their personalities.
Now that each of them knows that the other tried to be like them but failed because they misread each other's true character, will they be able to put this behind and get into a relationship where each knows the other's weakness and still respects and loves him/her? Only time will tell.
Despite all his flaws I still like RK because he is just too cute - an overgrown wilful brat who has a well hidden soft heart. As for Sultan, despite all the glod plating done for him, I find him annoying to say the least because his character seems so contrived, just to move the plot in a certain manner. Chinks were already visible in that shining armour of his, when he was clearly stalling to ensure RK catches them together.
Clunky plot withstanding, I watch MB for entertainment and ofcourse the lead pair who are my current favourite and hence I see chemistry where others may not.
NBT and Veera are the only interesting and sensible shows I watch and do not crib.
Hi Opti,
DeleteGreat to have you back with your wonderful takes.
Didn't know Sultan was stalling it. It looked like he had Madhu's best interests in mind, when he refused to take up Padmini's request, at first.
Thanks Su.
DeleteMadhu had already told of the change of heart and he kept reminding her of how she wanted to take revenge at all costs. Now why would he do that when they already heard RK call out to Madhu? Is he not aware that RK was on his way up? Does he not know that if RK catches them together and that too in his own bedroom, he could take it out on Madhu? In fact I didn't understand Madhu's need to calmly repeat everything when she too had heard RK's voice. As I said the screen play was clunky. RK gets a call when he is at the temple that Madhu is in danger. At the time, Sultan had already reached the bedroom and was conversing with Madhu and they went on conversing till RK managed the brave Mumbai traffic and reach the bedroom.
As per the spoilers, Sultan has an axe to grind with RK and his family and is out for revenge.
Anyway from today's episode it is clear that RK did not hear just half the conversation (unlike ASR who did not bother to listen to the full terrace conversation between Khushi and Shyam) but also remained still to hear the whole bit including Madhu clearly telling Sultan that she no longer wants revenge as she loves RK and will never leave him. In fact I was surprised by his control over that fiery temper of his.
I liked the way the episode was executed today and VD and DD did full justice to their roles.
Tomorrow's episode also seems promising when RK will take Madhu to the house he has built for her and to their bedroom where he had personally decorated the bed for their SR. They will have their heart-to-heart away from the world. I'm pretty sure the wedding will be on but there could be fissures in their relationship as RK could not take it that she confided in Sultan about their turbulent relationship. Her need to take the revenge is secondary to this.
Anyway this show is about revenge and counter-revenge by all and sundry. Wonder whether revenge is colors channel trademark because even NBT is coming up with another revenge drama, that of Beera against Nanhi and Mohan. We already have Addu wreaking havoc in Mohan-Megha lives.
Opti,
DeleteI’ll agree with you on today’s epi. In fact, after a long time, I actually liked VD and DD. But not more than Dips- ‘I could strangle that man!’- with such feelings and oomph.
Taking the concept of revenge, it is not the concept I have a problem with, but the treatment. Just like yesterday’s ‘meri Madhu ki jaan khatre mein’, today I found Madhu’s ‘I am sorry’ in the car totally put on. Otherwise, the epi was pretty good- it had to be, considering it was a big turning point in the story. VD was bang on with the wrecking scene.
Coming to Sultan, I didn’t properly watch that part, but from what you’ve written, if Madhu didn’t hear RK, Sultan didn’t too, probably. The plan to meet Madhu in her bedroom was after all not his, but Dipali’s. Don’t know about the spoiler, did read that Sultan’s mom is to make an entry soon and she does not like RK and Family. I wonder if this Sultan will turn out to be RK’s half- bro! Kuchh bhi ho sakta hai, na.
NBT: I caught that part where Beera tells nanaji that he had taken his revenge- I felt happy for the character, but sad for the show. This man was with nanhi and her family throughout the khoj for her lost bro, even circumvented Munna’s diversion tactics, ended up saving Mohan’s life- and now he comes out with his revenge theory! Yeh toh RK ka Xerox copy nikla! This is exactly what RK did to Madhu too. Ah! But I know they will not disappoint me in the dialogues department. Altogether, I find it a far better made show than MB.
Addu is wreaking havoc in Megha- Mohan: So Munna is Addu? That girl with nanaji is Beera's sis, right? And Munna does not have a girl friend - yet another revenge angle coming up there?
Su,
DeleteI don't think you are regularly watching MB. There have been more than one instance when the needle of suspicion was pointing at Sultan. His intentions are not all overboard. He clearly has an agenda and is stealthily executing it. He was desperate to meet Madhu and Dipali just helped him in the task. And what is with all the touching? Notice how he enters into their bedroom carefully removes his cap and spectacles and leaves it in a prominent place. And the way he kept goading Madhu to remember how she planned to avenge her betrayal. Not to forget how he balled his fist when Madhu asked him to get out lest everything is destroyed. I am waiting to see his shining armour come off. I am pretty sure he heard RK just as Madhu did but the dumb girl wanted to keep giving explanations to all his deliberate leading questions. Anyway as I said he is a very annoying character for me.
NBT and MB are no comparisons at all. NBT is strong in its script, dialogues, execution, casting and acting, both in season 1 as well as season 2. The story is so grippingly narrated that there is rarely a scene which is out of place.
MB, like the name of the PH which has made it, is pure nautanki. I still find it engaging because of RK's multi-faceted and unpredictable character. As GH said about RK, "loving the hero so much that you want to hate hating him or hating the hero so much that you love hating him and yet you love him..."
VD makes it worth the while with his charming,boyishly innocent cum devilishly evil looks and excellent dialogue delivery. He is improving in the expressions dept too as he did not have a single line yesterday and his emotions were clearly etched throughout the episode.
By the way, I do believe that Munna is Addu and poor Addu is Munna.
Deleteopti!!! long time no see.
Deleteglad to see the bak bak, though i have washed my hands off MB now.
and YES! HI5, munna is addu :D
Opti, good to see you back!!! I've been watching NBT sporadically, so missed out on the Beera revenge part ... need to catch up. I like this show, even though it doesn't attract me so much that I can't bear to miss a single episode. Whatever I see is well written and acted, and is a good watch.
DeleteMunna is Addu ... yes!!!
Yeah, J!
DeleteI do remember that you pointed out ages ago that Munna is Addu...as soon as Munna entered, in fact.
Opti,
Yes. I have been watching MB sporadically.
Why did Padmini have to pester Sultan to intervene? He seemed to want to let MB take her own decisions.
What is with the touching? A Q asked ages ago when Madhu hugged Sultan- apparently to shield him from the bad guys...didn't look nice, and I think they tried to keep the audience guessing about whether Madhu'd fall for Sultan...I found him an interesting character, certainly not as a love angle for Madhu.
I am probably wrong here, but I got the impression that Madhu has told him in very certain terms not to interfere with her personal life, and he was willing to let it be,until Padmini begged him.
Even yesterday, when Madhu screamed at him, I felt bad for the poor guy. He never wanted a part in all this in the first place. And in the beginning, Madhu was really giving him and the audience mixed signals- with the hugging and holi colour and all.
To me, it looks like he respects Madhu's decisions- she was the one who seemed undecided and nervous about the marriage suddenly- looked like he wanted to make sure she was not making a hasty decision. I feel it is unlikely that they will turn Sultan negative- if he has an axe to grind, he wouldn't use Madhu to get his revenge.
Su,
DeleteI would suspect Sultan's motive because the guy has fallen for her and was upset she wanted to return to RK, even if it was for revenge.
First things first. The guy is entering someone's bedroom. Wouldn't common decency demand that he first knock before he enters? She could well be changing when he entered. Shameless character.
When she sees him, Madhu did not seem undecided about the marriage. She was flustered that she has still not confessed about her plan.
She kept on repeating that she does not want revenge anymore now that she knows that RK loves her and she too loves him. But Sultan kept on trying to remind her that she was the one who wanted the revenge at all cost. Now tell me, what is Sultan's real motive? If he wanted to stop her from taking revenge for fear of how RK will retaliate, should he not be happy that she has dropped the idea? Instead why is he bent on harping on it again and again, seeing very clearly that Madhu wants the marriage and her happiness seems to lie with RK? Who is he to question her judgment? How long does he know her or how much of her history with RK does he know? Did you see his anger when she said that she has gained strength with her love, that she wanted to sit at the mandap and wed RK? It almost seemed like how dare she go back on her revenge plan.
A man who was first willing to wait for her to confess her revenge plan to RK and break his heart and then take her back home before RK can harm her, suddenly was upset that she had no intention to return back home.
It is around this time that both of them hear RK calling out to her. Madhu panics and asks him to leave from the back door but there is a look of determination on his face as he keeps her occupied with his questions when it is written all over her face that she loves RK and wants to marry him. Disappointment and rage were clearly written on his face. Wouldn't a true friend be happy for his friend? Not sultan for he has the hots for her.
I have a feeling that he was reluctant to interfere in the matter when Pads asked him to because he wanted Madhu to take revenge against RK and break his heart. If he were to kidnap Madhu, she would be furious with him and what little chance he has to continuing to masquerading as the good guy will be lost.
The main reason I think Sultan will turn negative is because in this show, no one is as they appear. Even before he was introduced, he was touted as the antagonist. Yes, they had been showcasing him as the golden hearted gangster in the last three months to keep people guessing but I am pretty sure the mask is going to come off soon and he is going to use Madhu to get back at RK. Two mangoes with one stone. If he succeeds he gets the girl and gets rid of his enemy.
Forgot to mention. Why was he coming down so calmly down the front staircase when Madhu clearly asked him to leave from the back? If Madhu wanted to marry RK, shouldn't he be wary of being seen by RK's family lest they misunderstand her relationship with him? He almost seemed to want being spotted in the house so that eyebrows will be raised. If he feared harm from RK, wouldn't RK have lashed out at them in the bedroom itself instead of running away from there and have Madhu follow him? After all in the bollywood theme party RK had humiliated her in public when he caught him there. This time around though he did not wait around to lash out at her but left the scene. Isn't that assurance enough that Madhu wasn't in any immediate harm from RK? Still the guy took his own sweet time leaving and had to be shouted at by Madhu.
DeleteIf he really is the golden heart criminal, he should now leave Madhu alone and tell Pads to back off and let her daughter lead her life.
Opti,
DeleteThis is funny.How can there be two versions to the same show?
This is strongly reminding me of Anjali, but then I used to follow every word and scene of IPK. I am not paying much attention here. :D
Not knocking on the door- hardly noticed it. Over the phone he was told clearly that Madhu was expecting him when no one would be at home- the message seemed to be conveyed by Madhu that she'd be receiving visitors when no one was at home. Did he think she was expecting him? I don't know. Even downstairs, he was told that Madhu was prepared to receive her visitor in her bedroom. So I didn't find that odd- yeah, he should have knocked. LOL. He should receive lessons from Asad Ahmed Khan on tehzeeb and tameez.*wink* Along with Zoya! (She gets one lesson on door knocking every week, and still has not learnt! Sultan ke liye ek lesson kaafi hoga. P.S: I know you don't follow QH)
I thought the scene started with Madhu having wedding jitters. She seemed to be blabbering utter nonsense for sometime until she finally asked him that Q: What are you doing here? The impression I got was that he realised Madhu was still confused and undecided and needed to sort out her thoughts. I really did not pay much attention there.
Down the staircase: I guess he forgot to obey Madhu's orders after the shock of what had just happened- I didn't see that either. (I really didn't get what the big deal was if he was talking with her in her bedroom. Madhu could have easily explained that he had come to wish her. I hate this hiding business. But Serials seem to thrive on that. This one seemed silly.)
Like you said, he might turn out to be negative- that will be better for the show. It is not too good to have a side character looking 'heroer' than the hero. Since Sareena Wahab is supposed to come in as Sultan's mom, plus, he has that disabled kid- I feel it is less likely he will turn entirely negative. Who all has turned negative in the show so far? Other than RK, everyone had a MU that made them turn temp. negative in an act of selflessness, I thought. The rest all have been quite straight forwardly evil. BTW, where is Padmini's husband?
So, did Sultan initiate the convo, asking Madhu why she was marrying RK? How did the convo start?
Sultan knew Madhu did not invite him when she asked him what he was doing there. Why would she ask him that if she was expecting him? So knowing that his visit was unwelcome and had only succeeded in complicating an already complex situation, he should have tried to leave discreetly rather than make his presence felt to all and sundry. that is if his intentions were purely honourable.
DeleteAs to Madhu being confused, after the initial disorientation caused by her sudden realisation that she cannot keep the revenge plan from RK, she was pretty clear in what she said. In fact I thought she was being too clear, giving more explanations than required. The fact that he kept repeating the same questions again and again clearly looked like he was stalling.
What is the big deal if he was talking with her in the bedroom? How many people can broad mindedly take a man (who was the source of RK's insecurities just a few days back) visiting the bride on her wedding day and that too when no one was around? It is another thing that Radhaji has blind faith in Madhu's character but then Sultan does not know that, does he? As to hiding business, Sultan made his entry in disguise, didn't he? So why should he then parade himself later?
Temporary negativeness or permanent negativeness, he is going to cause enough damage to Madhu, that I am pretty sure of.
Sultan was asking Madhu to drop the revenge plan and when she said she has, he seemed relieved and asked her to leave with him. When she told him that she had no intentions to leave RK and that she loved him and wanted to marry him, he was visibly upset and enranged and kept reminding her of her intention to take revenge and her determination to not back out. That is why I don't think his intentions were pure.
Thanks, Opti.
DeleteConsider the other side of the story:
Madhu was disoriented and started the conversation.
Sultan knew Madhu was not expecting him half way in to the conversation- by then she looked utterly confused, and he wanted to help her out. The woman was pouring out so many things all at once, that he was convinced the second part of her conversation was a confused Madhu too. So he took her through her revenge plans, to remind her that she could very well be making a mistake.
I agree that I could be wrong, since I have seen only half of it. But the way he refused to intervene when Padmini asked him, there was something that made me feel he respected Madhu and was not convinced that she'd marry RK for revenge- to me, it sounded like he attributed more sensibility to Madhu. He already knew she has always had strong feelings for RK.
The bedroom scene- must have come as a revelation to him, since Madhu was clearly telling him that he had been wrong, and Padmini had been right. I might be reading him very wrong, but for the time being, I am keeping Sultan positive. (Also, Padmini kept telling him that RK was very wrong for Madhu, kept calling him, so it looked like he went for Padmini rather than his own selfish gains.)
My gut feeling is that he will never harm Madhu, for the good she has done for his son. In fact, I feel Sultan will make compromises for Madhu. Of course, the character will be twisted as and when it suits the situation, so I will wait and see. I wonder if he will turn out like the guy in Parichay- who was an understanding friend in the beginning and turned out to be so OTT negative.
' When she told him that she had no intentions to leave RK and that she loved him and wanted to marry him, he was visibly upset and enranged and kept reminding her of her intention to take revenge and her determination to not back out.': Could be a man not pure of intentions OR a friend who was upset with MB making a big mistake on the spur of the moment- telling her, 'look before you leap'. The point was, Madhu was big time disoriented.
Su,
DeleteYou clearly have not been following the show regularly. Madhu's revenge was not to marry RK for revenge. She was planning to ditch him after ensuring he has fallen in love with her, thereby breaking his heart as he did hers.
This is my explanation for his reluctance to interfere in Madhu's plans. If Sultan had not interfered, he presumed she would have gone ahead with her plan of ditching RK. He could have then taken care of her and got into her good books with time. Now if he kidnaps Madhu, he will ruin all chances of working his way into her heart at a future date. When Pads kept insisting he interferes, he promised to talk her out of it and take her away, something he told to Madhu too. Either way he wasn't expecting Madhu to go ahead and marry RK.
If he attributed more sensibility to Madhu should he not trust her judgment about RK's change of heart? She had clearly said that she would not dream of breaking his heart if she was convinced he really loved her. Here she was making it very clear that she has seen the change in RK, she loves him and cannot live without him. She may have started off disorientedly but she was clear in what she was saying subsequently. There was no ambiguity.
In fact, I was surprised she bothered to go into so much details as to why she has changed her mind (when RK was close on their heels) and wants to live with RK. With every explanation Sultan seemed to be getting more enraged.
Someone in IF said that he was angry at being made a fool by Madhu and her mom by getting him embroiled in this tangle. If that is the case, then should he not have stomped off from the place instead of royally walk down and keep staring at her, as though he waited to get thrown out by her?
If he wanted to make sure that RK did not vent on her, was it not clear she was out of danger considering that a temptuous man like RK had silently stomped off the room and locked himself up? Madhu's desperation in losing RK was clearly etched in her cries and yet this man thought little of discreetly leaving in order to protect what is left of her relationship.
I agree that he will not directly harm Madhu but I doubt whether he will keep himself out of her life. In fact this man used his own son as a bait to ensnare his enemies into his trap. So I think he will use his friendship with MAdhu to try and drive a wedge between RK and Madhu, if he wants to take revenge against RK. He knows Madhu is RK's biggest weakness.
As long as he was vested interests in Madhu, I would not trust his motives to be truly altruistic. I guess I'm done discussing this subject. You find Sultan interesting and I find him exteremely annoying. So we will agree to disagree here.
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/moviemicro/videos/id/551319/type/view/videoid/1436183/
ReplyDeleteMAMR:
Looks like some promo event of the music release.
I liked the songs. The movie sounds good too. Hope it does well.
Hi Su,
DeleteI don't think this is a new video. Not heard of any new events lately. The film is releasing in third week of September.
-U
Thanks, Uma.
DeleteThe replies seemed new- so I wondered if it was a newly released video. In September?- good!
what is YOUR opinion about children's reality shows?
ReplyDeletethe question is prompted by this post:http://itsalwaysspringtimeinmyhead.com/2013/06/04/children-in-indian-reality-shows/
veera yesterday.. i loved moti chaiji's speech to ratan about gods. (and waisey.. is i t just me or is moti chaiji not so moti anymore?)
ReplyDeleteROFL
ReplyDelete*Arnav & Khushi VM (The Revenge Guide for Women)*
one more..
Delete*Arnav & Khushi VM (DilliWaali Girlfriend - The FUN DOSE) *
HAPPY SECOND ANNIVERSARY TO IPKKND ... to the show and to the unique couple who touched our hearts so deeply and brought us all together.
ReplyDeleteArnav Khushi Hamesha :)))
Lots of love and best wishes to Barun and Sanaya and the rest of the cast and crew of IPKKND ... may they all go from strength to strength and attain the pinnacles of success in their chosen fields.
Special love to Sanaya ... hope Chhanchhan turns a corner now and becomes another milestone in her career, one which catapults her firmly to the top in her field.
Thanks for the reminder, Dia.
DeleteHappy second Anniv, IPK.
Happy Anniversary IPKKND. Best wishes to the entire cast and crew for a bright future ahead.
Delete-Uma
Hello ladies,
ReplyDeleteHappy 2nd IPKKND anniversary. I just came today after a LOONG time and went through the threads. After IPK I havent been following any show that much. Veera, I was but at times it becomes too much drama for me. I want the kids to grow up now!
Off late, have been watching QH, although its repetitive at times, but Gullu is doing a fine job in trying to make it different. More than onscreen , I like the offscreen segments.
Allow me to rant here (Plz)- Everytime I see the offscreen segment of the QH leads, I am reminded of IPK segments, and how boring they became as the show progressed. It was only SI trying to maintain the connect with the audience and BS just seemed bored. I am impressed how the new girl Surbhi has picked up PR skills from KSG. She used to be very crude, but now I find her much skilled in interviews. I wish BS had also learnt some bits from SI. I feel the offscreen segments really adds the spice for the viewers.
And everytime I watch BS in his unkempt looks, fumbling in interviews in his fake Amru accent promoting his movie, I just yawn, and say a silent prayer that SI should get a match not only onscreen but someone who matches her wit, passion offscreen as well!
Sorry Dia- I know IPK was a golden phase, but I cant help myself from comparing it with other love stories which start to pick up, and analyze where did IPK went wrong.
Sukhi
Sukhi,
DeleteI agree with you on the off screen segments of QH being a lot of fun- can't compare with IPK because I never followed SBS so diligently then. QH: Actually many people call it IPK part 2. So, I am more than happy with it. It is less of an epic love story and more of a family drama than IPK - and I am enjoying it all.
On IPK ending: I have stopped analysing and over analysing- I am simply glad that it ended on a happy note. And I tell myself that it had to end some day, some way or the other- glad that it didn't get dragged and killed. Sanaya has found herself a good show, hopefully Barun gets the variety of roles he seeks, the PH has a good show running- All is well that ends well.
Sukhi, I don't think I will ever get over my resentment towards BS for his role in destroying the show ... am in agreement with you there. But I blame SP and Gul equally, as well as the mass hysteria by the fans. I still refuse to watch any 8 pm show on SP for that very reason, and I think subconsciously, it's why I don't enjoy QH either ... I keep seeing a big WHAT IF there in almost every scene, and I can't help drawing comparisons. Doesn't help that the comparisons are very obvious to see.
DeleteBut now that I can look back with a calmer mind ... and also now that Sanaya is back on screen and I am enjoying Chhanchhan ... I feel a little better about IPK ending when it did. We got a happy ending with Arnan and Khushi ... Sanaya with her emoting in sad scenes would have made us cry for weeks and months if Khushi had become a widow.
Also, I still don't trust the PH and the writers to have shown Khushi properly ... I'm sure she would have been a doormat to the new hero too after a point. I am far happier with her role as Chhanchhan, we are seeing a girl with brains and oodles of self-respect. Even in Madhubala, which has the same writers, Gautam Hegde and Janki, I see Madhubala crying and pleading with RK to forgive her for thinking of doing to him exactly what he did to her, and I am disgusted ... so I'm glad Chhanchhan is not of that mould.
In that sense I have moved on from IPK, it remains a beautiful memory, but I'm not inclined to go back and re-watch it, it still makes my heart ache to think WHAT IF every time I do. I think only the next blockbuster love story with Sanaya and another actor will cure that ache for me ... am waiting for that, till then, I'm VERY happy with Chhanchhan, she's a girl after my own heart.
*Arnav* ... not Arnan ;)
Deletedia, i think you need to see this:
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orcf8LDjcyw
and i will say here that i choose to believe this..
Jaya, I saw it when it first came out ... there was a whole flurry of re-hashing all conspiracy theories at the time. Let me repeat - I don't BLAME BS for the show ending ... I RESENT him for HIS ROLE in the fiasco, which includes taking up that B grade movie with a C grade actress in the middle of an important track in the show, a love story where he was the lead. The most irresponsible and stupid thing to do ... and that was the first thing which set the ball rolling, the rest of the fiasco played out over the next six months, but that was where it first started. He must have had his reasons, and I hope they were genuine ones, and not merely getting carried away by all the fame and adulation coming his way.
DeleteAfter that ... what happened, how it happened, why it happened ... all is speculation, so no point commenting, everyone has their opinions, and they are not going to change.
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3297922
DeleteCame across this post while I was searching for something on QH.
http://www.desirulez.net/showthread.php?t=499089
This one was after the show closed down.
Of course you know Barun is not the one I am defending. :D
But why blame the PH and the channel, Dia? They were willing to go the only way forward- with a new actor and a character- it was the fans who are to be blamed, I thought. I am with Sanaya.
Agree with you on the B grade movie and the C grade actress (good description!)- though I really hope it turns out to be better than that.
DeleteHmm ... PH, because I believe they DID lose interest in the show ... whether it was because of Barun and his leaving, or because of channel pressure to retain him when they were ready to get a new person, don't know. But the fact that Akshay and Deepali left because they had nothing much to do, the millions of loose ends left dangling ... all are witness to that. I think that finally they reconciled with the channel ... I did hear that Sanaya was excited about the new track, which means they probably had their thinking caps back on. I think PH wanted to let BS go, SP wanted to retain him, that was the cause of the strife. Once SP agreed to let him go, PH could start thinking long term about a story ... if you don't know whether your ML is coming or going, it's difficult to plan very much ahead.
DeleteChannel, because at the end of the day, the buck stops there - SP was the one who took the decision to shut it down at four days notice, thereby creating that feeling of lack of closure, which lingers till date. If instead of fighting to retain Barun (which I'm sure they were doing), they had worked on the PH to put in another interim track of Arnav going off to the US suddenly, they could have carried on the show and let it wind down over the next couple of months with a better ending. If the end date was decided, am sure BS would have come back to shoot the last few scenes. Pulling off the show in four days left everyone with a very bitter taste in their mouths, and contributed to the fan wars. And if they had pushed the PH into continuing, and even approved the new lead, then after all their big statements about 'the show is bigger than the actor', they put their foot in their mouth by saying this actor is bigger than the show, not to mention the kick on the face to all the other actors who had been working for months covering up BS's absence and lack of interest.
Due to the fans ... or as Sanaya put it ... "a bunch of people" ... am with you and Sanaya there. I always was. But I have made my peace with it now, I guess :))
Just wanted say, I second what you have said Dia. My resentment towards BS is for the role he played in ruining a good show. I have no issues with his BW dreams and infact I wish him luck there. However, IPK started deteriorating in February right around the time BS wanted to leave and from then on it never recovered. I agree he was not the only player in the fiasco, the channel and PH are equally or might be more responsible. However, in a love story when the male lead is bored or "brain dead" when the story had just taken an important twist, it is a huge challenge, especially when fans are hankering for more chemistry between the same actors onscreen.
DeleteTill today I have not understood BS interviews,and there are so many theories and arguments based on incomplete knowledge or sheer speculation. Everyone believes what they want and have picked sides. The PH and channel have not helped either. The red ticker further infuriated me for its unprofessionalism and and it felt like SP undermining the work of all other actors who had contributed to make the show what it is.
After more than six months, I have made peace with it, and glad that the show ended at a point it did because it was becoming unbearable to watch some of the tracks and to see a shadow of Khushi and Arnav I loved. However, I still have the "what if" feeling when I see any IPK related segment. A proper closure of the show would have not left this bitter taste in the mouth.
Now I just want to wish the cast and crew all the luck to achieve their individual goals and say thank you too because at the end of the day IPK gave me some beautiful memories and introduced me to an actress I really respect.
Thank you for letting me vent.
-U
Thanks Dia- makes me feel better I am not the only one who compares. You are right,I am VERY happy with the fact that SI is back on screen without much wait. That just shows how much credibility she has earned as an actress. And I love her role in CC, it is absolutely of her caliber.
ReplyDeleteStrange, I dont watch IPK episodes anymore, but just some random VMs,a short cut for me watching the best scenes.
I dont know what SP has in store for us, all the shows except Veera are very regressive. I had great hope from SC, then again I started seeing it a very low quality remake of SLB's classics. And I just can't relate to that traditional and old fashioned backdrop and mentality. Plus I dont like Kumud's character, she just has too much "bhaav" for no rhyme or reason! But Saras to Saras che!
I guess its just the reality shows for me. I kind of like the dance shows of moms. Some of the contestants are great.
And of course JDJ, I like the idea of two anchors, one for the main stage and one for the scores. As always Manish Paul makes it very entertaining.
Sukhi
sukhi, traditional old fashioned backdrop and mentality is still alive and flourishing in at least 80% of the indian subcontinent. we all know that star plus has a wide reach.. usually it happens to be one of THE two hindi channels available in most semi-urban cable providers ..
Deletethe states in india are nowhere like the states in america.. india is like the european union, with each state following a starkly different cultural profile and language. one theme flowing through most states, though, is the concept of patriarchy and the inevitable subservience of women.
granted, it eases and is less in the more urban("modern" ) and financially stable population, but for the rest of india, the roaring "head of the house" is a normal thing. so is the superpower mother in law who only bends to her husband.
without elaborating, i will say that sandhya of DABH is a strong heroine for many bahus..
you say girls should be like chanchan.. look around your own street and think..how many girls there will have the privilege of growing up to be a dog trainer?
i think star plus shows work at the roots.. being regressive enough to be allowed to be screened by the parental units, and being forward enough to light a spark in many a girl.
in fact, i know ppl who banned IPK watching.. because it was too sensual for growing girls, it made them grow up dreaming of romance.. when in real life, there is nothing of the sort.
do you think chanchan should wear a sari after she becomes a borisagar bahu? unaben thinks so, cc will not, we know.. but what about the elder bahus? do you even think of the background characters?
it staggered me to see emily of DABH, a christian girl who used to wear western clothes.. suddenly sporting full bahu regalia after she was married. nobody questions it (or if they did , i did not know, i dont actually follow the show) and everybody seems to see that as acceptance that now she is part of the family.. is it not what most patriarchal families work for? solidarity of the family unit?
DeleteJaya, I don't think Sukhi said girls should be like Chhanchhan ... she said she likes the character of Chhanchhan.
DeleteI however, WILL say that I think girls should be like Chhanchhan, not just to become dog-trainers ... that is merely an example of an unusual profession, not the only one shown. Rugved is a wildlife photographer, Rushali is a tattoo artist, they have all chosen unusual professions, and that is the point the show makes. I think because the father is also in an unusual profession, it must have made it easier for the kids to take up different choices.
I don't know how it is in India - I have been out for too many years ... but outside India, we friends often discuss that our kids are making different and more out of the box choices, while when we were growing up, we had far less choices available to us - if one was a good student, one went into medicine, engineering or law ... later came commerce and accounting and economics ... and now all out kids are choosing different paths which we had never even heard of. My own kids are both examples ... children of a doctor and an accountant/career banker, they have refused to consider either of those fields and are both into very different areas.
As for clothes ... my in-laws were never very conservative in that aspect, although they had many old-fashioned ideas, but even living in India, in the same house, I had complete freedom to wear jeans and skirts, and so did many of my peers.
And if Chhanchhan shoes this, then it is a step in the right direction, for whatever percentage of the population it does reach. We've already seen Ranjana resents wearing pallu all the time, the other two bahus don't ... so is she not entitled to freedom to dress the way she wants? Is preservation of family values more important than freedom of choice for a woman in her sasuraal? So the question as I see it, is not HOW patriarchal families work ... it is - SHOULD they work that way?
Sanaya also mentioned in an interview that CC will probably go back to work ... another area I want to see touched upon. We've seen Ratan in Veera handle the home and fields because she had to, not out of choice. But if a girl is educated and wants to work, should she not be entitled to that choice?
So interesting questions coming up in Chhanchhan ... I am looking forward to seeing how they are handled. Like I said, I don't relate to DABH AT ALL ... I cannot stomach a supposedly educated girl being such a meek and mild wet rag ... again speaking from the promos, as I don't watch it at all. I relate far more to Chhanchhan - the girl and the show.
dia, exactly my point. (gosh, am i so bad in communicating? no wonder everyone MU's me!)
Deletechanchan being part of a progressive family is exactly what i am referring to. she was raised by a family that believes that a boy and girl are equal ,they can choose their futures, are free to fall in love and marry..(or rather, a family that believes in basic human rights for both the son and the daughter) what i said was, 80% of india is NOT part of progressive families..a lot of them still believe that a daughter is "paraya dhan" and strictly housewife material..(somehow, sridevi in english vinglish comes to mind) and they relate more to the regressive shows..
i think that life is far more conservative in the villages .. and a woman being encouraged to attend school after marriage is something of a novelty, and horrifyingly "modern" in soch. and submitting to every taunt and demand is something of a normal thing.
dia, the question of "should they work that way" will only be raised if there is enough education to know that there is another way.. and maybe proof that the "new" way is better. and i feel that star plus is indeed helping a bit. (i say a bit because the OTT clothes n stuff detracts a lot of credibility.. like my elderly neighbor who will not let anyone watch those shows where "they all prance around over jewelled and undressed in things they call saris" :D
J,
Delete'in fact, i know ppl who banned IPK watching.. because it was too sensual for growing girls, it made them grow up dreaming of romance.. when in real life, there is nothing of the sort.'
Thank you.
*applause* for this.
I think that is the case in most Indian families. I cannot imagine a whole household sitting and watching IPK or even QH. It is for an entirely different set of audience.
Dia,
I support what J elaborated on DABH. That is the REALITY of a joint family- explains the success of the show. And what I appreciate about it is, (though even I don't watch it- and since I don't follow much of SP any more, I have not even seen the promos- except for one where they are playing some game with some kids)- Sandhya is slowly gaining her MIL's confidence- that is the only way to take it forward without breaking a family- in fact, I applaud the way they have taken her journey forward. She did not put her foot down and antagonise her in- laws to get her way; her husband saw to it that her dreams were not laid waste- it is a beautiful concept.
On CC: Remember what her father says- Hamari Chanchan sabse alag hai- that means she is different- from her siblings, from her friends. It is good to be different. But how different can you be, without breaking the threads that bind a family together? In CC's case, her FIL, her BILs are all educated. And Manav is a match for her. The concept itself is quite different.(Manav will not expect CC to wear saree, whereas Suraj would have never seen a woman in jeans.) That is probably why you are able to relate to it better.
I don't know, girls ... my own family is very much like Chhanchhan's, so I relate to her, but I am not blind enough to think that all families are like that.
DeleteBut I have quite a large family, including the in-laws' side, who are more conservative, also including some branches on both side of my own family, who are also a little more conservative ... so I have seen more conservative thinking as well.
BUT ... if you look at school results all over India, girls are topping everywhere ... I was watching the news on the CBSE results, and they interviewed many girls from different states who had topped the exams. A standard feature since the last many years has been the overall better performance of girls vs boys at school level. And these girls are all from levels of society like Bhabho supposedly is, or even lower.
My mom worked in a community center in a village, which ran computer classes for girls, the classes were always full.
So I really don't feel that Sandhya represents any except the most backward villages of India now ... the message of education especially for girls is spreading wide and deep.
And that is precisely why I have a problem with the way DABH is structured ... they seem to show that however backward, orthodox and dominating the MIL is, a daughter-in-law has no right to either answer back ... not even politely and firmly ... She has to follow all the family norms, even if they are stifling, and downright wrong ... she has to tread a very careful line and does not have the right to say anything against anyone, even if it goes against her own principles.
Now in DABH they can justify it to some extent, because the wedding happened under false pretenses ... Bhabho wanted an uneducated bride and she was tricked by Sandhya's brother into the marriage. But the fact remains that wanting an uneducated bride itself is a ludicrous concept, and should NOT be justified under any circumstances.
My mom's maid's son just got married. He is 8th class pass. His wife just gave her 10th exam, and her parents as well as her in-laws - that is my mom's maid, who is uneducated, are very keen that she continue studying. An uneducated woman like her, working as a domestic help, realises the value of education and is happy for her DIL to complete her school and then maybe do some vocational course which will help her earn money to support the family, rather than just do domestic work ... These women all realise that their men are completely unreliable, and it's the women who keep the homes running. And they all realise the value of education. That is why I feel that showing women like Bhabho, and even attempting to justify their thinking, by saying it's the level of society they come from, is WRONG.
Here are some facts about Rajasthan (the backdrop of DABH) from the UNDP site:
DeleteRanked 20 out of 29 Indian states on human development indicators, Rajasthan has a Human Development Index (HDI) value of 0.434 (2007-08). Although its literacy rate increased by 6.65 percent from 60.41 percent in 2001 to 67.06 percent in 20112, female literacy remains a key challenge for policymakers. This is because the gender gap in literacy (male literacy- 80.51 percent and female literacy- 52.66 percent) is one of the highest among the states.
Rajasthan also suffers from a low sex ratio of 926 females per thousand males. Similarly, child sex ratio is also very low at 883 females per thousand males.
So I don't think there is anything unrealistic or wrong. In fact they are showing how women empowerment has bypassed a large section of our population. Women like Bhabho are very much there. The serial does not glorify such women although the message is developed in a painfullyn slow manner. They have balanced the dogmatism of the mom-in-law with the progressivity of a timid husband, who despite all odd, still supports his wife's dreams. Sandhya does fight her battles within the limited parameters of her character. If she has to be as stubborn as her MiL, she would end up breaking the family, which she does not want to do. She is however succeeding in getting her dogmatic MiL tow her line in the end, although the tug of war is still on.
I had only caught a few episodes of Chanchan but from what little I saw of Umabhein, she appears blacker than Bhabho, although both are control freaks.
any potterfans here?
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Wanted to write about QH. Then Khushi and Madhu came up in one of the discussions above, so I am making a separate post about it. Something about what I like about the heroines, since I cannot follow a show if I don’t like the heroine (exception being Jagiya...:D)
ReplyDelete‘Also, I still don't trust the PH and the writers to have shown Khushi properly ... I'm sure she would have been a doormat to the new hero too after a point.’
I feel differently about Gul’s female characters, Dia.
When I watch Khushi or Zoya, I can empathise with them a lot- because they are women who do not go for the revenge angle;.they don’t take it lying down either.
About Khushi forgiving ASR- well, part of the hate marriage was her doing too. If she had trusted Arnav to handle the whole situation in the first place,as soon as she knew about Shyam, none of what happened would have happened. But she had to bow down to her family’s request. She should have gone to him when Shyam kept pestering her, but he was not accessible to her any more.
I never found her to be a doormat- she was just the balancing factor in Arnav’s life- isn’t that the way every couple works? There have been times when he was patient with her too- the part where he asks, ‘tujh mein ghamand nahi hai kya’- that was Khushi showing her durga roop in the sweetest, funniest way- that was how the character and their relationship was progressing. (Of course,I choose to believe that awful BB game and that ramp walk didn’t happen in IPK :D)
Zoya is a lot less subdued and more expressive, because she was brought up that way. This heroine does not think twice about standing up for her beliefs- and even if she adjusts to her jahapanah’s conservative attitude, she makes sure he knows about it. -‘By the way, yeh mere kapde hai, mera character nahi.’, right after a discourse on how she has been the one who has adjusted all through, and he has not changed one bit for her. Zoya is a delight to watch.
Neither does she shy away from showing him her scars- if he accuses her of not respecting his feelings, she shows him why.....
Gul’s heroines are written quite well.. Unfortunately, the men are the ones who have layers- that’s because they are plain complicated. It takes a woman to decode them, and we do such a wonderful job of it. As opposed to the weaker sex that has to launch a show to crack ‘why do women think the way they think’- we are just unfathomable...too deep for men. :D
Madhu: Actually, I did not like the way she said ‘I am sorry’- I don’t condemn the idea of apology. Love games- as RK calls it- it is quite deplorable. RK is a dark hero, and he can be excused for whatever he does- thats how the character is written. Madhu taking a leaf out of his book- well, it killed the innocence of the character. She needed to say that sorry to herself foremost- because she went against all her ideologies and that of her mother’s too. Like RK said rightly, Madhu became what he had been- a Rakshas- I am not saying that she should have been a silently suffering heroine- she should have simply kept away from him. But then, RK wouldn’t leave her alone, so she had to shake him off some way or the other- maybe she could be justified for the revenge angle- not in my eyes, though. A reincarnated Madhu welcoming Sultan in to her life, or a wooden Madhu resigned to her fate, or a Durga Madhu who shook RK till he came to his senses would have been more welcome. I preferred the first one for drama sake- because they could have redeemed RK as he set out to win her back. The last one would have been perfect for me, if the show was ending.
As of now, all MUs are cleared- dulha and dulhan have accepted each other, Sultan decides to leave Madhu to her fate, and leave the town with his family (that keeps him positive as of now)...he has an excuse to stay back, since he just found his father...I am waiting to see how this story will progress. It is time for Sultan’s revenge to kick start Madhu’s entry into filmdom, probably. I am so happy RK did not make this another hate marriage.
Ah, no ... sorry, I should have worded it differently ... Khushi was never a doormat ... I would never have liked her so much if she was. What I objected to most strongly was making her a clown, especially in the Sheetal tracks, and in the Kamlesh Khabri scenes. And also the entire Mrs India track ... instead of showing her becoming a female tycoon, and learning to run a business, which would have been FAR more useful for her in the event of Arnav's death, not to mention, FAR more logical ... they went the Mrs India way *head desk* That's what I meant when I said I didn't trust the makers to take Khushi forward, because their concept of Khushi was always a very goofy, crazy girl.
DeleteZoya ... no comments. I haven't watched it for ages. But I can believe that it is flowing logically ... Gul is managing to tell her story pretty much her way this time, it has not been derailed by the romance element. IPK was the same for the first few months, till the Holi episodes.
Madhu ... I caught the last two (?) episodes after a very, very long time, and all I saw was Madhu crying and begging to be forgiven. For an occasional viewer of the show, it put me off completely. So that is exactly what I mean ... I didn't like the way she begged and pleaded to be forgiven ... especially when I did have an idea of what RK had done to her. I was like "What the ...?!!!"
But I have been off MB for ages, never really connected with the characters, except for a very brief while with RK. For those who follow the show regularly, maybe you can make sense of her actions, or of RK's. I really cannot.
Thursday and Friday epis of QH were quite gripping. In a span of two days, Asad shouted at Zoya for wearing a mini skirt (good comedy there, if you are not hyperventilating about the miniskirt), she put him in his place so nicely that he gifted her a sleeveless suit (That was quite fast. Conversation works, so long as he is willing to listen.)- followed by the photoshoot. For the first time, Asad gets out of his stutter and stammer and tells her clearly that he wanted her to wear his gift- followed by a beautiful scene where Zoya shows her scars (If you ignore how ugly and poorly patched up the scar looks.:D)
ReplyDeleteBut it is not the blooming romance that is the high point of the week for me- it was the car burning segment. That was done beautifully. Ayan venting out his anger at the pots, later extending it to the car his family gifted Imran- burning it, not knowing Imran was inside...beautifully shot. And this actor totally rocked. Arshad Khan is back in the QH camp and....IT SHOWS! (Apparently LM is with Suvreen Guggal, currently)
F32 had said that a fire had been lit- with the candle Tanveer used to burn the rope of the chandelier- so, this is what it grew to...I wonder if Imran died in the car. He was struggling to get out. If he does, Ayan has duplicated the same horrible deed Rashid committed by mistake, years back.
Excellent discussion here ladies, and here are my two cents. Although I agree that TV shows reach a much wider audience, but I am against the regressive themed shows. Yes, MIL-DIL fights/misgivings are part of every household and audience relate to it but one can still not justify it, as at all grounds MIL ill treating her DIL is wrong (and vice versa).
ReplyDeleteSince I am watching QH these days, a dialogue I remember which the character Haseena bi says - she shows her thumb and says no matter how wealthy the ladkiwaalas are, they are always smaller than the thumb of ladke waala" which is the mentality of the majority of Indians, irrespective of their social status, wealth etc. And that is why I liked in CC (am just citing an example) that they brought the issue that dowry is actually a gift from the bride's father. It is his wish/financial ability based on which the gift will be. If he is not that financially well, he he is not obliged to give anything except his blessings. Same is true for BV, although set in rural background, it has brought important points - I distinctly remember how dadisa had flashbacks of how she treated anandi before, and how dadisa realized it was wrong. Absolutely brilliant.
I am not saying that shows should preach, but they should at the very least present a viewpoint which is different from the age old societal norms. And I strongly believe that TV is a medium which can bring shift in the mentality.
Case in point- I have always loved those govt of India videos for girl child education, polio drops etc with very catchy tag lines. And I believe and have seen that they do make a difference no matter how small.
Bottom line- It doesnt necessarily have to be an urban setting and the protagonist wearing jeans, but it will be good for us as a society that we get exposed to a viewpoint which challenges our traditional viewpoint to some extent.
Sukhi
Thank you, Sukhi, you said very succinctly exactly what I was trying to say in a much more roundabout way. That is exactly what I mean ... it is wrong to show the atyachaar of a MIL over her DIL, and justify it on the grounds that this is what happens everywhere, so it is all right to show it.
DeleteI remember the old Doordarshan shows like Buniyaad, Hum Log and the like ... they were family dramas also, yet they never showed this very regressive MIL vs DIL drama. Hum Log had a theme of one of the daughters running off to Bombay to try her luck in films, and going haywire. Buniyaad showed an unmarried daughter of the family becoming pregnant and her brother and SIL bringing up her baby ... there was a message in the shows always.
I also blame Bollywood for this in many ways. My mom and I were discussing how the old songs were so much better than the new ones ... moved to a discussion of movies ... among popular new songs are so many "item songs" which objectify women ... many BW movies show the hero teasing and running after the girl, only to have her fall headlong in love with him ...
Compare this to old movies like Sujata, dealing with untouchability, and the love songs over the telephone, Anupama where an introvert Sharmila Tagore falls in love with Dharmendra, the beautiful wooing there, Amar Prem ... in those days, the makers, fresh from the freedom struggle, were far more idealistic and addressed their movies to dealing with real problems in society, but how beautifully they did it. This new kitchen politic, saas bahu stuff has been brought in by Ekta Kapoor ... unfortunately it also coincided with shows becoming dailies, and so people became more hooked to them. It doesn't mean they are good, quite the reverse ... unfortunately the good ones have gotten phased out.
Shows like Rishta.com, MahiWay, Kismet never get too many takers, because they cater to urban sensibilities, even a show like Astitva which showed a working girl marrying a man younger than herself, then throwing him out for his infidelity, was not very popular during its time. It was only later it was recognised as being a path setter of sorts. Most women would say a girl has to put up with infidelity, rather than break her home ... many women have no choice in the matter also. These shows don't do too well, but that doesn't mean they should not be made. Quite the reverse in fact ... it is such shows which should be made, and the regressive ones should be phased out
Two more points ... since you mentioned BV, I liked how Jagya told Sanchi that clothes should follow the LOC ... forget what L and C were, O was Occasion, the other two were also very apt. He didn't say, don't wear a short dress ... he said, look at the occasion before you decide what to wear. That is the right way to make a point. Although I could did feel that saying the short dress was an invitation to teasing was wrong ... the point should have been made that the eve-teasers are wrong, regardless of situation, but one needs to be careful.
DeleteSecondly, regarding the public service messages ... I absolutely love the message on clean toilets being given out by Vidya Balan these days ... again, see the situations - very rural, very traditional, yet she holds up the woman who is encouraging her girl child to study, the woman who walked out on her husband because he didn't make a toilet, as heroes ... in other words, telling them that fighting for what is right, IS THE CORRECT THING TO DO.
Though I wish Vidya Balan would get rid of those horrible specs!
I agree with you both, My question is how does DABH justify a MIL subduing her DIL? And obviously the serial is sending the mesage across that Bhaabho is wrong. Sandhya has always proven her wrong, but Bhaabho is the representative of the old ideology- she will not come down so easily.
DeleteLike UB in CC- even there, CC had wanted to win over her MIL's confidence, before marriage- that changed only because UB gave the go ahead. So, didn't a modern girl like CC give the message that a marriage can take place only with the blessing of the elders? I am not criticising any show, just trying to find the similarities.
Why did bhaabho want an uneducated girl for her halwayi son? Was it to keep her son under her thumb all the time?
Actually her biggest fear is that a modern girl will not just take him away from his family, but even DOMINATE him. This is her constant fear- that Sandhya represents change and therefore is evil- and it is this thought Sandhya goes about eliminating in her unassuming way. Every action that Bhaabho takes against Sandhya is preceded by a thought that she is doing this for HER FAMILY- unlike, UB, who is doing it to keep her position as the matriarch. Bhaabho fels if she lets the girls go out of hand, the boys will start fighting and her family will break apart. UB seems to derive some pleasure out of putting her DILs down and totally looks down on them- no respect whatsoever towards them.
Coming to the maid situation you described, Dia- yes. Women are doing so much better in education. Among that class, it is the rule to find the husband less educated than the wife. That comes with its set of problems. 1. The husband develops an inferiority complex later on, with its ugly conseq. 2. The wife develops a superiority complex and the couple walks out on the parents. The second scenario is becoming alarmingly more and more common. I personally know two maids who stopped working because their DILs went for computer class- stayed at home to look after their grand children, and later had to return to work, because the situation turned around once the girls became 'working women'- an excellent concept they tried to tackle in House wife...no clue how that show is doing now.
My point I guess is, what do you all think is a burning issue? Dowry or children abandoning their parents? There are no dowry related issues happening around me- people somehow manage the dowry and on top of it spend extra money on the wedding too(not to impress the boy's family, but the entire village)..and then boast about the dowry they are giving. It is not an issue any more. That way, I welcome the eco- friendly marriage idea much more. And I think the point DABH is making is telling a young generation to have some patience with the older uneducated ones, simply because they have not had the opportunity to know better. And that the patience PAYS OFF in the long run.
To me, that is an important message because we don't have old age homes and lot of old people are left to look after themselves...I am not saying dowry issue is not important, it is simply something well within each person's control. You can always refuse to give and accept dowry- it is your choice- and EVERYONE knows it is wrong, but it will continue. I understand it is even banned by law- but people give and the very same people take. I don't know if a show can make much of a difference. It has to come from within- some kind of personal enlightenment or something.
BV: That preachy thing at the end looks more and more interesting with the current tracks. They are doing a great job educating their viewers- I feel the show should win International recognition for maintaining its quality and teaching content for so long. Didn't catch that 'mini' epi fully-hmm... I suppose what Saanchi wore was not appropriate for her college crowd- that's why they made her wear such a shocking dress. That was not what she had on when she left her home...by the time she reached the party, she had altered the dress, for Jagiya's benefit.
Why did bhaabho want an uneducated girl for her halwayi son? Was it to keep her son under her thumb all the time?
DeleteActually her biggest fear is that a modern girl will not just take him away from his family, but even DOMINATE him. This is her constant fear- that Sandhya represents change and therefore is evil-
Su ... that is exactly the same reason that Umaben wants submissive docile DILs too ... she runs her personal little fiefdom, and she wants it to stay that way. Any change which might stir the equations is unwelcome.
Does DABH even approach the issue of old parents being abandoned by their children? The last two promos - which were the ones which put me OFF completely from the show ... were about Bhabho breaking some matki every time Sandhya fails some test ... how many times has Bhabho put Sandhya through tests anyway? The promo was so disgusting that both my mom (who is 75+) and myself refused to even watch it - we muted it every time it came on. What positive message is this giving ... in ANY WAY? Can a MIL train her DIL to be the perfect DIL in 4 steps ... and if she fails any step, she is to be humiliated? I was disgusted and infuriated by those promos.
Dowry ... I disagree with you there. It is important to talk about dowry, about bride burning ... more than dowry these days, female foeticide is a burning issue ... it is VERY IMPORTANT to talk about these things on social media, in TV shows, in movies ... create awareness that these are wrong ... it builds a social consciousness against the concept. Slowly ... but it does. Take dowry ... you say it is not a burning issue today ... why? Because there was a movement against dowry, the bride burnings were reported widely, the issue was taken up in media and yes, in shows ... and the collective consciousness changed from "Dowry is a custom and has to be followed" to "dowry is wrong, and should not be forced under any circumstances." So while that has not eliminated dowry completely, it has changed the thinking, people no longer dare to demand it as their right, but have to cloak it under the guise of gifts ... one step ahead ... Dowry is an evil, and those who take it are to be disdained. Unfortunately it is not so simple a matter as refusing to give ... even the most enlightened parents have to bow to varying extents to ... if not demands, then expectations ... of the boy's parents. The refusal to take anything at all has to come from the boy's side ... it did at my parents' wedding, something I am very proud of. But simultaneously the social awareness has to be bult ... that dowry is a stigma, and people who take it are to be looked down upon. That has happened ... earlier people would boast about how much dowry their DILs brought ... not any more.
Now if a show tackled female foeticide and the preference for boys, I will be happy. I think Saathiya is showing that in its current track already.
Dia I agree with you about Vidya Balan's public message. Its a great message for a country like India where people have more access to cell phones than sanitation facility. I still hate the fact that at most of the work places, the ladies toilets are not maintained.
DeleteHave you been watching JDJ? Aarti and Meghnaji are awesome. I love Meghnaji's dancing. SHe brings so much heart and soul to the dance. And I have tremendous respect for Savio, he was Bharti's partner last season. Despite Bharti's looks etc, he always brought the best in her. So I am sure Meghnaji is going to shine.
Sukhi
Sukhi
whoa....comments on this thread have been flying thick and fast from the last time i saw it......have skimmed thru some of the comments....and i thot i must add some of mine to it.....
ReplyDeleteOn shows depicting MIL_DIL relationship....frankly most shows fall in one or the other category....the evil saas/docile bahu (vice versa being rare becos protagonist is usually the FL) OR difficult saas/determined bahu...
To be honest....life is not usually about any of these stereotypes....this DIL_MIL relationship is many a time fashioned by prejudice and its not always only one side that is prejudiced...its usually both, sometimes each taking turns to be prejudiced....its about differences in perspectives and the usual fallacy of human nature....
This means for a realistic depiction, it would require both sides to be shown human (with imperfections). Unfortunately, the paradigm for a hero(ine) is that of a perfect being...so it naturally follows that the protagonist is perfect or atleast near perfect....
Somewhere above, i happened to read (i think by Dia) that we do not depict shows where disagreement between a DIL and MIL are shown...rather its always a meek bahu submitting to the will of the saas...But genuinely in life too....this is a relationship that has its own dynamics, issues of hierarchy and a general distrust..So, where is the real chance for dissonance/debate in this relationship?
For a debate or POV to flourish...its important for both voices to be heard and respected, rationalised and thereafter accepted. Its only mature people and by that i mean both the mature MIL and DIL...who can make this relationship a real success...else for most part it remains a working relationship intended to avoid conflict depending on BOP (balance of power)...I had some expectations of YRKKH in the initial stages when i could see a prejudiced saas coming to terms with her bahu..ofc my interest waned and i never saw what happened to that relationship later...
So, for a narrative, i can accept an Akshara or a Sandhya work over a prejudiced (orthodox, dogmatic) MIL, over a Chanchan (however liberating her circumstance) to win over a MIL who by accounts is scheming evil incarnate.....Frankly..its a matter of what holds greater interest being more challenging....
converting a dogmatic belief into liberating one....
I still consider DABH as a good attempt at trying to win over hardened beliefs....yes...their framework is too cliched, they do pick on foisting greatness on the protagonist one too many a time, all the greatness/evilness heavily skewed....however i still find their themes relatable by and large..so I tend to agree with J on what she has opined above...I don't see this so much as a message for education...i see this more as a slow change to established beliefs...i am under no illusion about its effects on society becos i sincerely believe that its is the tufest to change attitudes...however i applaud the effort however poorly structured it seems at times...
Rekha, I don't know if you ever watched Maryada and SGP ... Maryada showed a beautiful MIL-DIL relationship, while SGP did it even better ... while Badi maa was a wonderful loving saas, Choti Maa displayed all the pettiness and insecurities of a boy's mother when her son gets married. They showed the contrast between the two very well. YRKKH is another show I admire for the way they showed the family dynamics ... Gayatri's insecurities and trouble accepting her DIL, and more so, accepting the fact that Akshara is the most important person in Naitik's life, was very well shown. That I can accept easily.
DeleteI cannot accept an overbearing, dominating Bhabho ... I doubt that such Lalita Pawar type women exist today. They belong to the 60's. Most MILs are actually more like Gayatri and Umaben. The smarter ones are like Umaben ... very few MILs are stupid enough these days to antagonise their DILs so openly, they know their sons will walk out eventually. So I don't relate to Bhabho ... I did appreciate some of the tracks they showed, like exposing the Godman ... never watched that either, again from promos only ... but this current matki-breaking one disgusts me.
I don't think you have been watching Chhanchhan regularly. Umaben is not evil incarnate. She is scheming, manipulative and clever ... she runs her household and her family in a particular way, she has handpicked her DILs to make sure things continue the same way. She enjoys her little power base, be it in her home or in her Mahila Mandal. I can completely relate to that ... I know so many ladies who are exactly the same!!! It is very, very realistic. Power corrupts ... at all levels, and this generation of MILs is clever enough to use it much more effectively.
But Umaben is never overtly evil to her DILs. While she fires barbs at them sometimes, she watches what is happening in her home and controls her DILs in her own way, by a mixture of carrot and stick, and using her husband's name to enforce her rules. Very realistic and representative of the MILs of her generation ... when you have educated sons, most MILs know that they will not stand for ill-treatment of their wives at any point. Sooner or later, they will take a stand, and usually boys will take their wives' side.
The moment you have an educated clever saas, the potential for havoc is greater ... she is too smart to be openly antagonistic, but still wants to hold her kingdom intact. And every MIL fears losing her son to his wife! How will they deal with this, while keeping Chhanchhan true to her values ... she will not be another Sandhya, but neither will she be a firebrand, loud-mouthed obnoxious La-type modern girl. She will be what many of us are ... modern, educated, yet retaining our sensibilities and values, like not being rude to adults, yet putting her point across ... enjoying nightclubs and nights out as much as bhajan sessions ... wearing jeans and skirts with as much ease and comfort as sarees and suits.
And that is what I find most interesting about Chhanchhan.
adding to the above ... Umaben is not evil towards Chhanchhan because CC is her DIL. She is vindictive because Chhanchhan has challenged her fiefdom and her authority. She wants to crush that challenge. She crushes the slightest challenge from everyone in her family, not only Chhanchhan.
DeleteDia,
DeleteI think DABH is dealing with the issue of, if not female feticide, then baby swapping.That kid was swapped at birth- I may not be totally correct because I did not see it- but Meena always wanted a boy, she had nightmares about having a girl, even her husband told her it was OK, but she did not want to be looked down on by society- I think she swapped the kid- because I heard a dialogue somewhere that the kid is dark, and totally unlike the parents...it might be a track coming up later...it is just a hunch, since I don't follow it.
Matka promos: I didn't catch it. BUt there are plenty of times when Bhabho has applauded Sandhya- part of Meena's and the sister's resentment towards Sandhya comes from that- Bhaabho is just careful that Sandhya does not start thinking too greatly of herself. She does not want an Afsar Bitiya for her halwayi son, because she feels Suraj will be overshadowed. It is this fear the show is dealing with, I think. The rest of the family really needs to be put in their places...they are all a bunch of crooks. Unlike, UB's DILs, where they are quite straightforward...not at all scheming like their MIL. I understand the power crazy concept of MIL you are talking about...but UB really looks down on her DILs- the disdain is clearly written on her face.
I guess the shows are dealing with two different kind of MILs, from two different bgs- status and power matters for UB, whereas Bhaabho is from a poor family- she wants to make sure her children walk the righteous path, and she is most concerned about Suraj, because she knows he is the only one who is a pure heart, and therefore more likely to be led astray.
I happened to watch a scene where Bhaabho was facing an internal turmoil wrt her attitude towards Sandhya. Her conscience tells her what she is doing wrong, her sense of practicality drives her to put Sandhya in her place.
I don't know how it reached matkas from there. :D
All I am telling is, if the show is a high trp grosser, it is probably not because the viewers welcome an archaic saas, but they are interested in the twists that turn a simpleton old woman into accepting her educated, accomplished DIL. Bhaabho is depicted as a strict matriarch, but by no means evil. She is a typical saas who finds no girl perfect for her son, especially this particular son.
I think DABH is about how love and patience wins over cemented dogmatic beliefs. And by no means is Sandhya a doormat. She stands up for what she feels is right- even when she knows she is going against Bhaabho- even when the whole world laughs at her. She is a silent revolutionary.
CC did attempt to do the same, because she could not fathom UB's duplicity- she attempted to make Maanav's mother accept her.
That might change after she realises how cunning her MIL really is. Really, UB is planning to break her son's marriage, whereas Bhaabho, at a point in time was trying to get her DIL to sleep with her son. It offended her that the marriage had not been consummated- as if Sandhya believed Suraj was not 'good enough' for her. (There was a track where Bhaaho wanted to send Sandhya packing home- that was when she realised how the entire family had been tricked,and could be justified.)
We all find CC more watchable, because we are that jeans wearing crowd. But we are not the majority. For the saree wearng crowd out there (I was surprised when I went to Jaipur, when I found the girls were still wearing those half sarees- looking like they stepped ut of Jodha Akbar! I thought the whole of India had graduated to Salwar Kameez, apparently not.)- DABH is their reality.
Dia,
DeleteLet me make a submission....i have not watched a single episode of Chanchan....have merely skimmed thru ur updates from time to time.....and ur comments whenever i have read it have only confirmed it to be a saas-bahu serial (albeit with a twist ( here the bahu happens to be a modern bahu). Its a genre i usually avoid becos i don't see much hope for that relationship to be portrayed sensitively and sensibly on screen......it doesn't engage me as an audience.
To be honest i can't imagine having to deal with either Umaben or Babhoo in my life, tho i am sure some shade of Babhoo or Umaben exist in a lot of saas and the bahus are not always covering up themselves in glory all the time, either.
The examples u have quoted ...YRKKH, SGP (both which i have seen many episodes of esp SGP). Maryada....i don't have an idea but i am sure it might be of that nature to merit a watch for sure....
When i said i would choose a DABH over a chanchan i meant to avoid watching a serial of that genre that tends to show an scheming saas of any variety, hue or tone...a scheming bahu or saas don't interest me....thats not how i see that relationship...Its a relationship that needs a touch of maturity, whatever be the mileu in which it exists...its not always about education, status, culture....all permutations and combinations exist despite education and the supposed culture....
Its not that i think the DABH saas is any better she is another of those hues....dominating, dogmatic,, obnoxious.....i don't know if she is scheming too....i don't follow DABH episode to episode....i just surf at times once a week, get the general idea of the theme....watch if i find it interesting....
my defence of a serial of the hue of DABH is not on the basis of how it is structured...its on the basis of the themes it picks.... I applaud the effort to tackle dogmas, to me the lack of modern beliefs are a bigger danger to the progress of society...having said that i am under no illusion on how a DABH affects society...i doubt the audience it largely caters too really sees it in that vein..for most its just some time pass in a shade, they probably identify with a lot more than an Umaben (by umaben, i mean the mileu of their circumstances)However, i feel even if one percent of their audience have overcome some of their long held beliefs...i will consider it a success of some kind
And i agree with Su that Sandhya is no doormat, not by a long shot...she is effective in her relationships...its possible the limited abilities of the actor may cause one to think otherwise. In fact she is pretty straightforward in her approach....she does not aim to win over her scheming or difficult opponents with her kindness...she aims to win over with facts....to me that's the only way to win over an opponent....the scheming ones may not change but the genuinely mistaken ones may see the error of their judgements/beliefs.
taking one moment to clear up the matka issue.. MIL had a set of 3 pots under the banyan tree or wherever.. she said she's break one pot for each serious mistake .. and she broke the one in the promo because// sandhya (rightly) accused chhavi (thats the younger sis) of cheating in the exams.. and chhavi convinced her mom that sandhya had lied // so there will be another two weeks of bhabho redemption, i guess :D
Deletei watch one episode a week, usually parallel to something else.. and yes, meenakshi (the elder DIL) did indeed swap her child. she wanted a boy, had gone to some herbal doctor and gotten duped etc(that was one of the long tracks) and then somehow managed to swap the baby after it was born.. caught a scene when the other mom had visited suraj's house and everyone was praising the color of the baby.. and meenakshi was thinking "yeah, i drank milk and saffron and my baby is so white..but i have to contend with this dark baby.." i guess this will be another of those major tracks, sometime in the future.
Thanks, J, for that update.
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Khatam ho gayi....hamari MU ki daastan.....:D
You got my POV so well. *hugs*
Has anyone been watching QH offscreen segments? I am telling you Gullu has hit a jackpot unless she messes big time with storytelling. The shaadi track is there too, along with the onscreen drama, I am in love with the offscreen comments about the track.
ReplyDeleteKSG and SJ have been given all the freedom in the world to talk gibberish and make the fans crazy! I know KSG is a pro at this.
SJ had improved tremendously (and that too v rapidly) in her expressions and dialogue delivery. I just looove when she speaks in her Punju accent. My hunch is that Gullu caste her as all the Paki dramas (at least the ones I have watched) have characters speaking in a Punju accent.
I like the mehndi get up they have done for her. And the last part of the IF video on Mehndi is hilarious !
Sorry for the digression- but this is the only show which has daily segments. They will rule the TRP charts very soon
I know I know, I have an inherent bias towards punjus, but I absolutely adore the actress. She is cuteness personified for me!!!
Have a great sunday everyone.
Sukhi
awww how to take a PhD in loving your wife, VM by zoha
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSrEbuU-XSc
OK.
ReplyDeleteThis is a first time, for me. I ended up re-watching BV- and it was not even for Jagiya, but the three women in his life.
Anandi, Saanchi and Ganga- what an excellent portrayal of interpersonal issues as Saanchi looks down on Ganga, and Ganga admires the way Anandi manages both the households. Anandi balances it all, with copassion towards Ganga and understanding for Saanchi. And a cute romantic segment btwn Anandi and Shiv....an episode worth re-watching.
I missed the entire last week, still can pick up the story...it is slow, but I guess this is more convenient for people who don't have time to get hooked on to a show.
QH: The twists and turns have come to this: Ayan succumbs to blackmail. Loved the emphasis on the sibling bond and Zoya's slow and joyous realisation this week. Looking forward to Mehendi which was apparently shot last week itself. Zoya lets Tanveer write Asad's name on her hands with acid mehendi- beautiful concept that she will carry the scar that bears his name, through her life- like she is being branded his. He has been too, with a scar in the form of Z, from their Mangalpur adventure....which was the start of his realisation.
Will both the nikahs happen side by side, or will there be more twists? Hmmm....
MB: Looks like I was right. *Collars up* Sultan could very well be RK's half brother, unless there is a new twist that he was swapped too, as a baby! :D. Nautanki, indeed! RK and Madhu looks interesting after a long time...Sultan continues to be more interesting, though they could have done that asylum thing better in a zillion ways. Looked very unprofessional.
Did this twist come up now, to ruin RK- Madhu's first night? WT!
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DeleteBV: Anandi's MIL made an appearance and sorry, I make a go for the remote. I cannot stand this character. Surprising, since her ghamandi, blind daughter holds my interest!
QH: Mehendi....everyone looks so pretty.Loved Zoya's hairstyle- so unique....romance in Khan family and comedy in Rashid house: Raziya had me rofling with her crazy hairdo, cortesy Badi Bi- bachkani harkat....*rofl*
Vikrant Massey as Ayan is fast becoming one of my fav actors...The fellow is so fidgety. There is so much energy bubbling out of him.
MB: Enjoyed one epi from the beginning to end after a long time....RK and Madhu loked and acted like the leads after a long time.SR today, if any one is interested.
SC: Where is this story going? Gumaan's son has landed up- a cute looking chap. Is he supposed to fall for Kumud's cousin? The romance looks boring now. (Really enjoyed some segments in this show- I think the most memorable one was the couple atop the bus, Kumud getting the women to form a shade with their duppattas, specially for Saras- at a time when Saras wouldn't talk to her.)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x10x44q_saas-bahu-aur-saazish-15th-june-2013-part-1_creation
ReplyDeleteKaran and Surbhi- crazy couple!
Sorry, make that a crazy duo.
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