Second post for this week, including the weekend.
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Lalit Mohan's interview on tellytadka has raised quite a few hackles ... apparently the guy was dumb enough to say straight out that Sanaya worked harder than Barun ... duh, man, you may feel so, even a lot of the audience could see it clearly, but you don't say it ... not done! And he continues on his I, me, myself journey ...
http://www.tellytadka.net/telly-tadka-spice/lalit-mohan-conversation-tellytadka-ipk-morelast/
Apparently he got bashed so much that TT has removed the interview :) And hopefully that is the last postmortem that we will have on IPKKND from the IPK team - they seem to have a bigger IPK hangover than even the fans! Not surprising, though - a show like this happens once in a lifetime for any PH ... it's a real pity that they could not deliver it to its full potential - for reasons that we will NOT go into again!
NOTE -Please keep discussions limited to what LM said about the actors and acting styles and behind the scenes action ... and not about show closure.
Now I know this blog is doing well ... I have to issue Mod's notes here! :D
Veera
Madhubala
Qabool Hai
SaraswatiChandra
Pyaar Ka Dard Hai
Others
Lalit Mohan's interview on tellytadka has raised quite a few hackles ... apparently the guy was dumb enough to say straight out that Sanaya worked harder than Barun ... duh, man, you may feel so, even a lot of the audience could see it clearly, but you don't say it ... not done! And he continues on his I, me, myself journey ...
http://www.tellytadka.net/telly-tadka-spice/lalit-mohan-conversation-tellytadka-ipk-morelast/
Apparently he got bashed so much that TT has removed the interview :) And hopefully that is the last postmortem that we will have on IPKKND from the IPK team - they seem to have a bigger IPK hangover than even the fans! Not surprising, though - a show like this happens once in a lifetime for any PH ... it's a real pity that they could not deliver it to its full potential - for reasons that we will NOT go into again!
NOTE -Please keep discussions limited to what LM said about the actors and acting styles and behind the scenes action ... and not about show closure.
Now I know this blog is doing well ... I have to issue Mod's notes here! :D
Dia,
ReplyDeleteI am not against LM praising Sanaya - She deserves all the praise as she really worked hard for the show. What I am against is point blank undermining the effort of Barun for the success of this show and telling that he needed 25-30 takes for shots whereas everyone else(Sanaya, Arshad) have mentioned that barun does his takes very quickly. The way he portrayed Barun's efforts here were ridiculous when everyone in PH and Channel acknowledged that Barun couldn't be replaced and they closed the serial and now LM comes and says that he was the one who made ASR a success - ludicrous.
We all know that most of the classic IPK scenes were Arshad's direction but there was no mention of him here. And a good director is impartial to the crew - he doesn't praise one and undermine other.While in the earlier interviews he was like Barun and Sanaya both worked hard for the show, now he comes back and says it is all because of him the show was success - I felt the guy was suffering from a huge Me, Mine and Myself syndrome. He ought to have seen John's new movie and has tried it out himself in this interview.
Why do I feel that the PH is still stuck on IPK and Barun/Sanaya whereas the fans and the individual actors have moved on to different things. Ab toh chod do Barun and Sanaya ko. Let them do their own thing and whatever mileage IPk team wanted to draw from the show they have milked each and every ounce of it. It is high time LM and PH crew concentrate on their new shows and stop using Barun/Sanaya's name to get people to notice them.
Dia,
ReplyDeleteSanaya deserves every bit of praise and recognition and definitely much much more than what this PH(and channel) ever gave her. Anyway, for me from the way LM talked about Barun, just showed what kind of a person LM is and sorry to say expected much more maturity from his end. i am not saying Barun should not be criticized, but i just felt that LM was purposely putting Barun down, now he says he was misquoted, which i doubt because the whole tone of the previous two parts were also same(guess i can understand to some extent as the intv was taken at the time of show closure so guess he was emotionally unstable at that point in time). It will do him good if he starts giving interviews about his experience from his new show :)
DeleteAgree with Nan to a large extent ... I feel too that LM gave the interview just after the closure of IPK, when he was emotional about it. Am glad Sanaya was acknowledged again ... it is no secret that she shouldered the entire show the last few months, and I am happy LM said it frankly, that she worked a lot.
However, I feel he could have been more graceful about the way he said it ... he was the captain of the ship, and drawing direct comparisons between his two leads is not right on his part - not on a public forum. Within the industry, am sure everyone knows the true picture, whatever it is, true or false. But such things should stay within their own circles. Like Sanaya said, when producers and directors hunt for a lead actor, they will speak to Barun's producers and directors, they won't go by what has been printed in the media.
So it is good that TT has retracted the article saying he was misquoted - whether he was or not. If he said it in the heat of the moment, more understandable ... am sure they were all upset about the abrupt closure at the time.
I did understand the comment on Barun giving many takes ... the character of ASR was very different from Barun's own character, and it was an intense role to play. Am sure it took time for him to get into the skin ... emoting without words, especially when you have to display suppressed intense emotions, isn't easy. I remember an SBS of the airport farewell just before the kidnapping, when the director was telling Barun .. more intense, more intense ...
Liked the facets LM disclosed about the lights and camera angles ... found it interesting that they paid so much attention to them at the start of the show. Later everything went downhill, I guess ... but the photography and camera angles were definitely superior to many shows currently on air. I remember the Khushi realisation scene, Arnav's first dhak dhak scene ... the use of the glass doors to show the reflection of the characters - it was done beautifully.
Sanaya an intelligent actor - he said this earlier as well ... he also seemed to indicate clashes between her interpretation and the director's/writer's vision :) Nobody picked that up? :D But he seemed to appreciate her for that ... or was it in spite of that? :D
Hope that is the end of the IPKKND post mortems ... the actors have moved on, it is time the team moves on - as well as the media! It was a brilliant show, it could have been even greater ... but it's over now.
Dia,
DeleteDon't the media ask your permission to print the interview - I don't think they can wait 3 months after the interview aired and then print it. Does it work that way. Because things change in the media world everyday.
am sure they were all upset about the abrupt closure at the time.
Regarding the above line - Isn't LM the same person who lost the interest in the show 1 yr before the show ended and actually left the show for more than 5 months in between. Now coming back after the show ended which was 1 yr after he actually lost interest - if he tells that he was upset on the abrupt closure - I would find it very hard to believe. Because my belief is if you leave something in middle or even have thoughts on leaving in middle - the attachment with which you have started sure is gone or is on wane. I can understand Sanaya getting upset with the show closure, even understand Mamiji, Naniji, Buaji being upset on the show closure because they never thought of leaving the serial in middle but this guy actually left the show and come back and that too he came back after a long period of time(at least in serial world). I don't understand LM blaming Barun for serial closure because he himself left 1 yr before the lead quit. All I felt was he was trying to project the success of the show as his doing - which basically is wrong because the team worked hard for the show.
And one more thing - I never watched the show when it aired from beginning. I watched the show from Guesthouse episode so I watched it in Telugu version from beginning and in the beginning few months I see Nissar Parvez mentioned also as a director so I would like to say the camera angles and the quality of the show being good in the initial months may have been due to Nissar's direction also.
It is high time that 4Lions and LMji concentrate on their new shows and give interviews on what they are doing right now. Too much dissection has already happened on what went wrong. Right now Pratyusha has quit BV - 4Lions should look at how to handle lead's exit with grace and should learn how to stop blaming others for their failures.
The interview has been removed, so I could not read it.
DeleteSarada,
I wouldn’t compare LM’s quitting with BS quitting.
LM quit- nothing happened.
BS quit- the show was closed down.
You can’t blame him or anyone for citing Barun as the reason for killing the baby. It is the truth.Barun did not WILLINGLY kill the baby, his fans/ Arhi fans did. (I went through the team sarun interview...that newspaper article he wanted a copy of...what was that? That was an article on how IPK fans had caused the show to close down...he wanted a copy of that? Dandaaaaa.....!)
So, I wouldn’t accept any other reason for the show’s closure.
I guess it speaks volumes about Barun’s personality (I can imagine Dia alternating between ROFLing and rolling her eyes here ...:D) that I continue to be a fan of his, in spite of this premature demise he caused of a show I loved so much.
But, this LM fellow has no business to speak of him in derogatory tone, EVEN IF HE WAS SO- CALLED MISQUOTED! I also note that none from the 4 Lions have actually spoken against Barun so far. LM does not belong to the PH, he is just an employee. Nishi does not belong to the PH either, she is just another employee, I guess even less valued than LM. And if Gul cannot keep LM keep his mouth shut in public, it is an impossible task to ask of her to keep all her employees from commenting on IF. Neither can she keep track of what each person comments on various social networking sites.
The notable thing for me, here is that they have not mentioned anything at all about the closure in their own Forum. I respect that silence...But I’d really like to know if Gul EVER secretly felt like really taking that bat and bashing up Barun....:D..I’d really love to know. Because there was a point in time when I wanted to do that!
On Pratyusha leaving BV: Well, that is not causing the serial to shut down. THE PH will handle it with so much more dignity, because Pratyusha did not end up killing their baby. The one lesson 4L and SP could learn is that, they should have replaced Barun, not killed off ASR. I don’t know how many of us would have welcomed that idea.
Dia,
What LM said does not make that much sense, because Gul said he would joke around on the sets and then come and do an intense scene...and Sanaya agreed. They were being kind to him?
I agree with you, that ASR was a more difficult character to play than Khushi. Definitely so. Just like Asad is more difficult than Zoya. The guys are the ones with the layers... If this iv was not old, I’d think LM was comparing between KSG and Barun.
Su,
DeleteI think we continue to disagree on who killed IPK. I would still say that the channel and PH(in that order) killed the show. The serial didn't shut down because Barun walked out but the serial shut down because both Channel and PH agreed to have it off-air rather than go on with it with sensible approach and with sensible approach I meant a clear cut idea on how to go forward after barun's exit. That is something both SP and most importantly 4Lions should learn from Pratyusha's quitting of BV. She is the face of BV but do you see any tsunami's or PR disasters coming from Sphere Origins or the channel. Nope a clear cut statement that Pratuysha is quitting for personal reasons and from next week onwards you have another lady playing the role. Simple as that. Where is the dignity and the grace during Barun's quitting episode. Where is any acknowledgement of the mistakes that the channel and the PH did.
Coming to the interview the main reason I disagreed is that LM was not even around when Barun's best scene - Arnav's breakdown was shot and that too it was shot in under 1hr. And then he comes around and talks as if ASR character was not due to Barun's portrayal but because he visualized it that way and Barun has no contribution whatsoever in the character becoming an Iconic character - Yes I do have objection on that. I don't undermine the efforts that Sanaya has kept in - She one was not even fluent in hindi had to mouth complete hindi dialogues and she worked hard. Like wise Barun who is a jumpy and jovial guy had to act restrained and ruthless. Both worked hard for their roles or else they wouldn't be that popular a fact which 4Lions seems to be waking up to now. Then why do LM as a captain wants to put barun down - as a captain/team leader of the show that was so not needed after 3 months of the show closure. And seriously both 4Lions and LM should understand a basic fact - they can't harp on old merits. Time to move on and go and do your work - If you want to talk, talk about what you are going to do next and try not to take the sole credit for all the good things that happened in IPK especially when you were not even present during the shooting of them.
Sarada,
DeleteI don’t think I am the only one seeing these ‘subtle’ things here, so please don’t say I am making up excuses for the PH. Please bear with this Gul- bhakt. :D
SP and the PH hired Viraf Patel and the guy had even started shooting. NOW, that is a FACT. This means the channel AND the PH wanted to go ahead without Barun.
Sanaya and the rest of the cast wanted to stick around and it came as a shock to them that the show got cancelled...AGAIN reinforces the FACT THAT THE SHOW WAS SUPPOSED TO GO ON WITHOUT BARUN.
BARUN himself clarifying in the interview that THE MAKERS WILL COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER= The makers WANTED THE SHOW TO GO ON.
Fans- Barun’s , Sarun’s, Arhi’s....repeatedly threatened SP with messages and made them, cower down= CLOSURE of the show.
Sanaya and the rest of the cast crying about it, defending Barun when fans started bashing him; LM continuing his rants= Indication that something had caused premature demise of a show.
The fact that 4L has never accused Barun or fandom of anything= THEIR DECENCY.
The fact that LM continues to rant= his immaturity.
From my POV.
He he...we are both getting it from Dia today.( *hugs*: we both need it in advance! :-D)
Pratyusha is not the face of BV for me, so it really does not matter to me whether she quits or not. Frankly, I have said this before also- the character bores me. Plus the show NEVER focussed on her CHEMISTRY with any of the heroes. It is a DIFFERENT kind of show. So I wouldn't compare. (Geet would have collapsed without Gurmeet or DD; QH will collapse without KSG, not Surbhi so much- their shows concentrate on the leads much more than other shows. QH is different because, so far the focus has not been only the love story. Once that starts, Surbhi will also look irreplacable, I guess.)
The dignity and grace of Pratyusha: WHY DID BARUN not show that dignity of saying he is QUITTING FOR GOOD? What made him look like he is dilly dallying? I guess you will say SP and the PH held a gun to his head and asked him to mouth the dialogues they had written. I am a fan, still, I cannot be that blind. And I really wish my hero knew how to speak with clarity.
I don't know why you speak of LM and 4L in the same sentence always? They hired him back for his merits, not his character, I suppose.
The way I see it- Gul came out with an interview- she appreciated BOTH her actors a lot.
LM came out with one- he was partial to one. (And again, I think he is comparing Barun with KSG, PLUS this GUY HAS A HUGE PROBLEM WITH MOVING ON.)
Makes it clear to me that Gul and LM are not in the same boat!
And why only Barun?
Please ask yourself this question.
Don't you think the show would have collapsed if Sanaya had quit?
And wouldn't we be blaming her instead of Barun for closing down the show?
It is human nature to want to blame SOMEONE.
Sanaya blames the fans.
The fans blame PH/ channel...few blame Barun.
LM blames Barun indirectly.
When I try to look at things objectively, I DON'T WANT TO BLAME ANY ONE.
BUt I agree with LM.
The show closed down because Barun quit.
If he had stayed on, the show would still be on. IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT for me.
Hey u people are discussing the interview that is no longer available..hey what luck....i am always late to read interviews..(by when it has been dissected many times over).and this time i realise the delay has indeed cost me..i have missed some pearls...Hehehe
Deletesomeone seems to love the limelight...own light, reflected light...all kinds. "i have been misquoted"thats a very original line...
anyways the only two things that i read above from Dia's post made me want to comment (and has nothing to do with the closure...)
One is about hard work....i don't know what kind of an attribute it really is in a creative field...sometimes, it is possible to take umbrage at that very point if u wish.. as easy for a person called hard working to be thrilled about as it is for a person hardly working...at the end, the result on screen only matters..how they went about it hardly of any significance atleast to lay people.Again if it is a point of work ethic...fine to state it and stick by it...People will draw their own conclusions.
The second point about retakes...was he stating a one-time occurrence to somehow allude it to be a regular one. If he was...it would seem a mischievous comment and one i think he would have wanted to retract...and by doing so...he has put a question to how seriously must his comments be taken...well opinion is another matter...u can have it and ideally none can force u to retract it...
I hope i am not overstating my brief here but I think it needs to accepted that NO ONE is stating a Gospel Truth when pronouncing an opinion..its an opinion that will have some takers and some detractors....
Rekh,
DeleteThanks for bringing the discussion back to where Dia wanted it CONFINED.
I am not fond of LM as a person, and I am still a fan of Barun's; but I have to agree with the guy to an extent.
There is not ONE PLACE I can point out where I found Sanaya lacking...I can point out umpteen instances with my limited viewing of Geet- Drashti's acting; and with QH.
Surbhi is definitely nowhere near as flawless as Sanaya- but I like her portrayal of Zoya better than DD's portrayal of Geet.
Coming to their male leads:
Barun- I can point out many instances when I found the intensity less- notably, Anjali slaps Shyam scene.BUt he was perfect in the romantic scenes- his expressions told his love story. Kudos to him for bringing out the right expressions.
Gurmeet: I should not comment on him, really, but I liked him in whatever scenes I watched. It is not fair to Barun, because I probably saw him at his best. I don't like his style of acting in PV, though. He seems to have a hangover of Maan, just like DD seems to have of Geet.
KSG: I mentioned this last week- I am IMPRESSED, not to the extent of saying he is perfect. I do find him mildly lacking in certain scenes.
If I take all the 6 actors' performance, I can say without a doubt that Sanaya gave the FINEST PERFORMANCE.
But I feel I am not being fair to Barun, because...
1. The guy was dead tired most of the time. So, it is not a perfect evaluation of his acting capabilities.
2. ASR as a character was way more complex than Khushi.
And in comparison with KSG:
I wouldn't be lying to myself if I said KSG is a more easy actor than Barun. That is purely because he is more experienced. And if LM gave this iv now, he is comparing the leads of his present show with Barun and Sanaya. He is subconsciously saying that Sanaya was a delight to him as a director, and KSG is more easy for to direct than Barun.
Bottom line:
Performance wise, SANAYA HAS NEVER LET ME or her director DOWN.
Su,
DeleteI get it that u are relaying LM's perspective...as well as ur own about acting capabilities of the actors...
To be honest.....i can't say for sure that I always know whether its an actor/screeplay writer/dialogue writer/director/cinematographer who has added to a scene.....sometimes its an amalgam of things...sometimes its just a feeling based on how u react to that moment..
Its also possible one's fascination for an actor makes us view their performance far more favorably while comparing...and there is nothing wrong with that..Can i cross my heart and say my favourite actor/ress has delivered fine performances every single time...probably not but then fan followings don't happen on that ground, do they?
Personally, I don't know the craft well enuf to be able to judge that too or if I am always objective about it...I purely react to a scene.Sometimes i may be giving credit to an actor for the effort of a director or screenplay writer or vice-versa..
All i know is that ARHI were given a superlative expression by BS_SI and were helped by the team.....Diffi to apportion how much each member did in the effort, obviously someone's effort will be more or less...if some team members want to give more credit to one over another or a fan/viewer wants to give one member more credit...its absolutely fine.
To me, Sanaya went majorly beyond a poorly written sketch to excel in Khushi's role. However, i wouldn't hold that against Barun for getting a more well-etched role in comparison. I would compare Barun and Sanaya on this ground only if both were given poorly written roles and one excelled over the other. In any comparison, the yardsticks have to be correct for me..
Let down.....a very strong phrase for me...i have no such great expectations from people i don't know..i just merely enjoy or ignore a performance or critique at the most..
Yes IPK, i perceived differently becos of my emotional investment but i still maintain all are free agents.(actor/ph/medium)That is why u must have seen my criticism of Gul as a story teller also became muted after a point after the serial ended ...for me it became a dead horse..no point flogging it
Loved BS_SI whenever they were on screen (i know we talked about enunciation of Barun..for me that was an issue and i always said he needs to improve on that but i don't see it as a big issue when i look at the big picture; On his grooming...as ASR...I would say it was the duty of the tech team to ensure their hero was on screen..was it a discipline problem with Barun, no idea!!) Btw, I noticed even KSG mumbling as Asad..is it something about Gul's heroes..(just kidding!!)
J is going to hit me after this post...i am sure....so ducking away for cover (for my rambling gyan!!)
Replying briefly, because honestly, the only parts which interested me were what LM said about Sanaya ;)
DeleteTakes - an actor's prerogative, an actor's style ... Aamir Khan is known to be a perfectionist and insist on multiple takes, while Kajol is a more spontaneous actress. Any actor can have off days ... I remember a scene in MJHT when Gunjan's dupatta had to lehrao on Samrat's face, she took ages and multiple re-takes to get that one scene ... SBS covered that for some reason :) It doesn't necessarily mean demeaning an actor, am wondering why it has been interpreted as such.
LM actually spoke a lot more about Arnav'c characterization than about Khushi's ... about Sanaya was mainly about her hard work and her home work. Fitting - Arnav's was the more complex character, he had to display hidden emotions, and as a director, it was more challenging to bring out those contrasts in the character so that the audience would sympathise with Arnav even when he was being his beastly worst. I think the team did a good job in that. So LM spoke more about Arnav, and about the way the team worked on angles, lighting etc, to bring out the moods. That was his brief as a director, to look after all the technical aspects, once he had briefed the actor about the emotions ... the two had to complement each other, the acting and the technical set up.
Khushi was more straightforward - she had no hidden complexes, or none that they dwelt on ... hence LM spoke only about the hard work Sanaya herself put in. He had admitted in the earlier part of the interview that her character was badly written towards the end ... am wondering whether that was where her ideas about her character clashed with those of the director ... in one SBS, she seemed unhappy about Khushi's OTT.
In this part, he admitted that even the technical part deteriorated a lot.
The interview actually brought back happy memories - my son has been involved in plays right from elementary school through to high school ... he is an excellent actor, and friends still remember roles he played at the age of 10-11 - he is now 19. I give full credit to his Drama coaches 1)for recognizing his talent at that age, and 2)for nurturing it, casting him (and the other kids) superbly and putting together fantastic productions ... the High School drama productions in international schools are professional level, as many of the kids are doing IB drama. And I still treasure the glowing reports his drama teachers gave him ... and also remember the days he used to come back furious and annoyed at those teachers because they were pushing him to do better in his performance. However good an actor is, the director is the captain of the ship ... if the director isn't good, or loses interest, there is not much an actor can do. An actor sees only his role, a director sees the entire product. Or should.
I think that's what LM said about Sanaya - that by the end, she was able to see the production from a director's POV, not just from an actor's ... I think he meant it as the best compliment he could give her ... coming from a director - especially one as self-opinionated as Mr Pompous LM :)))
Actually Dia....it is always diffi to comment when the atmosphere is vitiated with other aspects as has been the case with IPK...one looks to attributes motives to every action and reaction...and to every player. The bane of IPK, i guess or problem for people like me who think they have buried the issue but in reality it jumps up unannounced and unprovoked HEHEHE!!
DeleteActually i am also surprised at my own comment on LM, when i know nothing about the man. I did react to two aspects on hard work and retakes...for me at the outset, they appeared to be general comments (not restrictive to IPK) becos i have seen this aspect interpreted differently in situations (the kajol-Aamir was one example, in a way that made me comment altho i did not quote it)
He he...Me too in a confession mode...
DeleteActually it is very difficult to compare between KSG and Barun...I seldom watch IPK nowadays...not even the VMs...it is part of my moving on. I guess I am watching more of QH nowadays, so KSG is fresh in memory...
Dia,
DeleteThe problem with the interview was how the things were reported in the interview. It is a fact that the characters of Arnav and Khushi were as different as chalk and cheese so maybe they may have taken a little more shots to get the atmosphere right. I agree up to that point.
LM could have said - We as a team worked hard to get the emotions right for Arnav's character as this guy had past which changed him and we had to harp subtly on that without overdoing it. Contrast it to - The angles were so chosen that Barun was made to look more handsome, Barun didn't know what to do until the director told him and if not for director they character would have fallen flat. The difference lies in the way you tell. For someone reading the first interpretation it would tell as to how hard the team worked for the show and the second one would tell Barun had no role in the success of ASR - it was solely the director's doing.
When you are a team leader/captain one thing you need to know is how to boost the morale of the team and how to showcase the best abilities of the team both individually as well as the team as whole. This is where LM and sometimes Gul fail miserably for me.When I look at them as the creative or as a director, I hardly want to give them credit because I only see them hogging limelight for the things that went good and there is no collective responsibility for the success.
There is a subtle way of telling out things that are working and things that could have worked in a better manner. The very first 5 day training course that I was made to attend to after I got promoted from Test engineer to team lead was exactly this - because believe it or not things that we simply say off without thinking much may actually rub people off in wrong way. The way LM said the interview even if his intention was not that, came across as one where in he was deliberately putting Barun down and not giving him any credit for the phenomenal success of IPK/ASR.
If you watch the BTS segment that Jaya posted about the shooting of the Raziya scene, I think you will get an idea of the hard work that goes in behind the scenes with regard to lighting, camera work and the rest. If the third part of LM's interview was about that, and he did not spend the bulk of it eulogising Barun's acting, I don't think that demeans the actor in any way ... and the reactions of the fans unfortunately shows the total lack of respect for that aspect of the work, or the recognition of its importance. Which is okay ... most viewers never see that side anyway, far less appreciate it ... they only ever see the actor. Does that mean that a director is not entitled to talk about that aspect when he is being interviewed? That is a big part of his job after all ... the actor's job is only to act. If the director doesn't talk about the technical aspects of the show, then who will? Not the actors for sure ... they don't even know that aspect. Is the director only supposed to spend his time praising the actors? Then why bother to interview a director at all? And why bother to have awards for best director, best cinematography, best art direction and the like?
DeleteI'm sorry, but I feel that if an interview with anyone associated with IPK doesn't involve 90% praise for Barun and how wonderful he was, it appears that his fans automatically take offense. Just today I read an article about the special effects in The Life of Pi, and how 40% of the work was done in India itself, and 300 of the people involved were Indians. The film won the award for special effects ... does that mean we are demeaning the work of the actors in the film? No, we are only giving due recognition and appreciation to the excellence of those hidden people whose work we saw on the screen, even though we didn't see the people themselves.
The only part I felt LM was wrong, and I said that in the main post itself, was that he directly compared Sanaya and Barun's hard work ... there too, I have no doubt, that if he had compared Barun favourably to Sanaya, nobody would have objected at all. But even being a Sanaya fan, I did object, because I felt it was not fair to compare their hard work IN PRINT ... he is of course entitled to his own views in person. And he is the director, he was there on the spot, he is far more in a position to judge who worked hard and who didn't ... the only thing is that being director, he should voice it better. Arshad said it very diplomatically, that's the way LM should have said it too. Then everyone would have been happy.
And please don't talk about it being his duty to boost the team spirit and all that ... because in that case, LM was doing completely the right thing ... he was boosting the spirit of the person who was planning to STAY ON in the show, had stuck to it regardless of all issues ... not much point boosting the spirit of the person who was leaving, is there?
Dia,
DeleteAgree with you that the director talks about camera, lighting and other aspects of his work then why didn't LM talk about the same during the tail end of the show. We know how bad the production was during the tail end especially since he was on during that time. Also after LM moved out to Phir subah hogi, I did watch that show for his sake even though I didn't know neither head or tails of the show. I thought maybe his direction would get me hooked on to the story but nope nothing like that happened. So LM couldn't create that magic when he was directing other jodis now did he? I watched the first episodes once again and I do see Nissar Parvez in the team of direction so it was LM, Nissar and some other guy Mira in the first episodes. I think it was solely LM during the tail end. Why didn't he talk about the end part or how the direction was during the end part because AK moved out during the end part of the show on to QH. No he didn't talk about that when he was the only one directing. Had LM been impartial I would have accepted his interview as something he was saying of his experience. This guy was talking only about the good things and was projecting himself to be the reason that happened - which was why I didn't like the interview. He was not impartial. For me both Sanaya and Barun are talented and good actors and hence they could create the splash they did. Had one of them being terrible the chemistry would have fallen flat.
Coming to Life of PI director Ang Lee - I really admired that guy's humility. On Oscars platform he took time to thank all the crew and he did even do a shout out for the actor Suraj. He even thanked his crew in Canada, Taiwan and India and ended his speech in Taiwanese and Hindi(Would have absolutely loved it if he ended his speech with Dhyanavaad but still Namaste would do). LM has a long way to go to talk to be like Ang Lee.
In all these interviews of LM the only things I have ever seen or heard the guy saying was - how he didn't get Aishwarya Rai as the lead to direct, how he got disinterested and left the show, how he got the initial part of the show correct - There was no mention of other directors who directed the show in his absence and may I say all the chap gaya hua moments in this serial were not of LM's direction. All I feel is the guy has a big 'I am the only one who did things correctly' syndrome. I am not a fan of perfection - that leaves you very little room for expecting more from your favorite - But yes I am a very big fan of people who say - 'I am trying my best and the next time around you would see me improving as a better actor/director/cameraman'.
Dia,
ReplyDeleteI have officially satyanashed the show SC. I watched it for 4 days thinking of cutting the show some slack but now I just don't have it in me to sit through the OTT drama and relax.Like I said earlier, the only thing I liked in this show was the sets and the costumes and beyond that I absolutely cringed at the OTT antics of Kumud's family and the way they were busy going about the marriage proposal. And SLB I thought would change the story a bit to suit modern times but looks like he is following the novel which was written way back in 1950's page to page - The hero in the novel was wimp and here too that is what I feel about Saras. Guy doesn't want to marry but can't tell that to father - Instead he goes in a white SUV out into the desert for a spin. Complete Satyanash. I don't have the patience to see this saga through. I will try to catch up the show once in a while but from my end I have lost complete interest in the story and show.
Random comments today after an evening in front of the telly :)
ReplyDeleteI don't like the India timings ... my HK timings are much better ...
Madhubala ... Sanaya is still the best drunk actress I have seen ... both as Gunjan and as Khushi. Drashti did not quite cut it for me today. Deepali is sexy :))) Bittuji is cute.
Sanskaar - Is it Jai Soni? He was a wuss as Ishaan in SGP, he is a wuss as Kishen. Girl is saying she loves him, instead of replying to her, he goes aside to take a call from his mother. And then promptly changes his mind about girl. Apart from the fact that he blasted her in the party for standing up FOR him against her mom ... aadmi hai ki pajama?!
QH - started with Razia torturing Badi B ... I switched the channel.
PKD ... was quite funny. Nanaji has been sent off to South Africa ... so Mukesh Khanna has left the show? Adi-Pankhuri's mock fight was cute, so was their hiding their smiles.
And OMG ... did they just break their bed???!!! COPYCATS!!!!
Veera - is a patakhi!!! Feel sorry for her poor brother - he has his hands full keeping her out of trouble!
SC - watched three minutes of Monica Bedi with fake accent mouthing some vampish dialogues from the 70's ... switched off TV for the night.
@Veera... Payback time by her :D btw did you see the new promo, it seems Ranvi will come to know Veera is not his "own" sister
Delete@PKD... i sometimes catch it while waiting for Veera, its somewhat Rajrshiish story, but i guess passable, better than some other serials for me :D .. i liked the female who is playing Adi's mom role, very good actress and elegant persona :)
Dia,
DeleteMB: I have ranted enough down below. I agree with you word by word.
Sanskaar: I have a positive thing to say: It is the best slot to launch Sanaya's new show.
7:00- too early
7:30- SLB
8:00- Child bride
8:30- Chawl Baala
9:00- ???
9:30- QH
10:00- Veera.
At least for me, that is the best time. DABH is looking good for now, hopefully will not last long.
QH: That toture scene was bad, but Badi Bi has gone in to silence...I think Raziya broke her.
You missed the next in the slap saga. I am telling you. Gul is a violent woman, nowadays. One woman gets slapped and after that it looks like every guy in her show is going to get slapped by a woman...Gul's revenge?
Message to fandom: You made such a big deal out of one slap...here are some more! Enjjjooooyyyy!
Yesterday was Ayan's turn to get slapped by Humeiraa...because he mouthed unutterable things about her mother...called her 'giree hui'.
I liked the way they interposed Asad- Zoya confrontation with Ayan- Humeira argument..and then again Asad- Dilshad showdown with Ayan- Shireen conversation. Nice and spicy! Compelling comparisons!
PKD: Does not hold my interest at all, nowadays.
Veera: Saw that promo. Does not bother me much. What happened after Nihal asks Ratan if she does not want Sampporan's dream to come true?
Does it occur to her that he implies Sampooran may never return? I could not catch the following epis. Keep wondering...they are showing Ratan accepting Veera after so much difficulty...will she blame Veera once she knows Sampooran is no more.
THE ONE SHOW I feel like making a VERY SPECIAL MENTION of:
Baalika Vadhu.
I did not know Pratyusha was quitting until Sarada mentioned it. Does not make any difference to me. Yesterday was all about Shiv's mom raising her fears with Anandi's ex- MIL, on how Anandi has been unfair to Shiv, by holding back.
Very sensibly done. Shiv's chhotti maa feels she is reading too much in to it and tries to reassure Anandi's maa that things may not be as bad as they perceive it to be. Shiv comes to know about this and ticks his mom off respectfully, telling her he has not been counting the days since their marriage- neither should she. He is willing to give her time, because she has been very honest with him. And his bua agrees with him.
ALL THE ACTORS IN THIS SHOW...not one looks out of place. The director knows how to get the best out of his actors, and they all deliver! Simply amazing!
DeleteSu,
I am following balika vadhu after shiv's entry actually. I like sidharth Shukla * again against the normal tide which is a fan of jagdish*
And it will not make an iota of a difference to me if there is another face for anandi because I want to see what happens next in anandi and shiv's life.
I was one of the very few people who would not have minded 'another handsome face' to replace the 'old handsome face' in the 'the love which cannot have a name' just so that the story could have continued at its normal pace and tell the stories it forgot to tell. I did not want a new character.
Usha,
DeleteLOL.
I guess I am part of the normal tide of Jagdish fans...
Actually, BV is the only show that has drawn me for a male character, despite having such a strongly etched out female character. I cannot help this attraction for Jagiya...believe it or not, I used to watch his ex- GF closely too...I found her characterisation perfect! Perfect for a selfrighteous person, who is totally blind to her faults. Even then, I failed to feel sympathetic towards BV. All through that divorce and remarriage, I was a detached viewer of the child bride's story. There were other things that impressed me though.
YESTERDAY was the first time this Shiv- Anandi couple actually got me interested...prior to that I was busy getting floored by Gangaa's characterisation and the way the actress is delivering...and see what happens? Pratyusha quits. Like I said, I am least bothered. Because one thing really holds good here: THE CHARACTER IS GREATER THAN THE ACTOR. This is especially so, because they have not become a couple yet in my mind.
I'd even go to the extent of saying DD and VD are irreplacable, even though they are not my fav josi- because they have been estd as a jodi.
Now, Jagdish- Ganga- somehow, the director had established them as a jodi to me, more than Shiv- Anandi.
Was it to you, I replied last week that I wanted the doctor- ex to have moved on...I was already mentally prepared for Jagiya- Ganga. If they change those actors now, I might compare. Same would have happened with ASR, on a much larger scale- it'd have been an impossible task to pull off, and unfair to the next actor.
With Anandi, it hardly makes a difference for me. I guess it will not be the same for most of the viewers out there.
But then, viewers accepted a Gopi Vhau who was replaced by a miserable choice(so miserable, it kind of looks like SP's revenge on the actress!) ...so I guess the great majority who is not surfing the net are really not bothered.
DeleteYes Su,
It was me with whom you had the gauri conversation. And i still feel that if Dadi sa is forgiven for being sooooooo mean, then this family has no business pointing fingers at Gauri. As the famous sound of music song goes, She is a girl......
I love the passionate way you write about your favourites. I have given up on being passionate towards serials in favour of just enjoying them. So as I said I am now enjoying the inane Amita ka Amit ROFL...nothing to recommend about it but still watching.
He he...I had forgotten Gauri's name.
DeleteNot bad. I amuse at least you.:D
Passionate about my favourites...You got me there!
Yeah, I am passionate about these characters since sometimes they seem so close to real life...esp about Gul's heroines because they make me laugh...a lot. Zoya's antics had me ROFLing today. I really love these manipulative girls...that is exactly what draws me to Kumud now...OK. For a change, I'll stop being passionate. LOL.
On Dadisa- I remembered what you had said about dadisa the other day, when I saw her snooping around today. So, she started out as a grey character...continues to be grey...interesting. Any way, she is too old to change now.
Gauri...for me, it was not about her deserving a chance...the character simply refused a chance. She wanted to believe she was right all along- had not an iota of regret for her best vampish behaviour...I was pretty sure she'd have moved on.
And Jagiya did find that...Gauri kept him waiting even as she had left the hospital. She is one of the most harmlessly selfish characters I have seen- she does not love ANYONE BUT HERSELF, yet she does not stoop down to take revenge on Jagiya and Anandi....not yet, at least. The stupidest track in BV after I started watching was Jagiya turning totally negative...I was not even a Jagiya fan then. I guess his redemption won me over to him.
A show that goes on for five years...and the makers have not lost interest? I can understand Pratyusha wanting to move on...it is too taxing on an actor.
DeleteMe too. I totally did not mind pratyusha wanting to move on.
Why did I never get angry at gauri, I wonder.
Dadisa's selfishness and single minded love for her grandson made her get him married again to another small girl. Now just because the father took care of her education, the mental trauma is supposed to go away for her. Bhairon keeps forgiving his mother's trespasses but cannot understand gauri's selfishness. Only if you are a martyr like anandi, this family is happy. She took a bullet for jagdish but if she says I took a bullet for u, it will be considered selfish. They accept human nature only when it comes to Dadisa's etcetera and that day ganga's statement was the first time they thought about being unfair to gauri. It was just an unconfortable chapter they had to deal with to proceed with jagya Ganga and so they dealt with it. Jagya lied and lied and he got his forgiveness as well. But as usual in this also I am in minority I know.
C'est la vie, I know, but.......
Precisely.
DeleteEven I never got angry with Gauri, not even when she misled Jagiya away from Anandi. And I don't mind her getting forgiven, so long as she at least thinks about asking for it. :D
She was never portrayed as a bad character...in fact she got pregnant and lost her baby...and blamed it all nicely on Anandi again.I must have sympathised with her a bit there. PLUS she was bad to Jagiya towards the end- which he totally deserved.
She was also married off to Jagiya as a child?
Thank God, I did not watch this from the beginning!
No wonder i find some bits of BV particularly interesting...I suppose the makers don't make the rest interesting enough for a viewer like me. And seriously, to want to stick on to a tale for 5 years! No wonder some people rant about MB. I'd too, if I had to watch a story dragging for 5 years!
DeleteYes Su, when Dadisa feared that anandi because of her brain injury would not be a good wife for jagya, she found another poor family and got them to marry their daughter to jagya. And nobody could stop her. Not bhairon, not anybody. The young girl cried and cried that she wanted t study and go to school but was forced by her parents to get married to this rich brat. Then they cancelled the marriage after the marriage was done and the 10-12 year old girl was sent back with her parents that the marriage was illegal and hence cancelled.
My god, I would be burning with revenge.
Anyway, just caught up with zoya's antics of past two episodes and I really love this girl and asad Zoya work for me and on fast forwarding the extra characters of shrieking house, it is very enjoyable. I can't see direct telecast because of the villianish characters.
I used to see junoon but now with their track change I don't know where they are going and have lost interest.
Yesterday watched na bole tum and enjoyed it. So maybe I will see that direct telecast from next week. Veera in the process of discovering what is right and what is wrong works for me.
And gave trp to lamp and wick also because I too wanted to see the drama of the bahu winning before she again goes back to 50 episode of losing and crying and being battered. Hurray for promos. We get to know which episodes to see and which to miss.
Hi five!
DeleteMe too watched the lamp and wick...I was quite surprised they had dragged it for 2 months almost...but I really loved the ending of the track...
This is the show that has delivered good social messages, I'd say. Kudos to them!
There is an audience out here who needs to know the shrewdness of godmen...they captured that audience...and they have delivered that message. *APPLAUSE* Sandhya Beendhni was looking good, until she decided to go for some over acting in the last bits.
I loved the whole concept. Of how they exposed the guy, gave logical explanation for the 'miracles'...even the way the channa mystery was told.
How the BIL said- I thought it'd be such a complicated science formula, but this is just simple kitchen logic. The dialogues were perfect for educating that kind of audience...kind of like the simple way of story telling you use to educate the uneducated....
And this one too- Sandhya tells how any bad thing that happened to her family would have been taken as the effect of Swamiji's curse...thus making her family look more n' more guilty and the godman look more godly!
I am getting passionate about DABH. LOL.
BUt I can't help it. I applaud them for the way they have continued to hold their audience interested, as well as deliver excellent social message without LOOKING PREACHY.
And they are slowly getting to their core content...of how a married woman becomes a police officer despite many stumbling blocks and how the husband supports her. There is an excellent social message there too! absolutely loved the way they brought in this godman track...it fit perfectly with the storyline...of how her education gets affected due to one man's greediness- how it affects the lives of her fellow students and how she goes about getting justice....and ALL THROUGH THIS proving to the world that she has the BRAINS AND GUTS it takes to be a police officer!
DABH deserves to stay on top for these reasons, even if I watch it only for the climax of the track. The makers have done a very good job of staying within their task...and they reach their target audience. WOW!They have utilised TV AS A MASS EDUCATION MEDIUM! (Seriously, wish someone'd give them an award for that!)
NBT: I love Mohan and the little girl...same reasons I liked it in first season, this time around I have started liking Megha...NO way I am touching the remote while I am watching QH. *wink*
QH: Ab main bolungi toh bologe bolti hoon...Gul is an angry woman!
LOL. But I am loving the budding romance.
Now I know this blog is doing well ... I have to issue Mod's notes here! :D
ReplyDelete*ROFL ROFL ROFL*
Now I know this blog is doing well ... I have to issue Mod's notes here! :D
DeleteROFL.
Qubool hai, Moderator Sahiba!
*runs from chappals and angry glares*
SC:
ReplyDeleteI thought I’d give ‘The Great Director’ one week’s time, before I give my final verdict. And I must say I don’t have to wait for today to come out with this confession: I was wrong. SC delivers as promised, at least to me. I am really happy my initial misgivings have given way to acceptance. I will not say Jenny is the best actress around, but she does justice to the character. She has got me warmed up to Kumud already. I guess the hide n’ seek game in the first epi really put me off.
And I think SP and SLB did the right thing advertising it as SLB’s work, rather than go for the actors. (Sorry, KSG...I beg to differ with you. LOL.)...If the show gets the best opening trps, I guess they’d have proved a point.
Right now, what draws me to the serial is the characterisation and the grandeur of the sets. Really, the Dubai segment is a treat to the eyes. I applaud SLB for the way he has adapted the story to our times. So, the heroine wrote letters to the Collector and got the first computer installed in her village. And she rode all the way to Rajkot 20 km away on her bicycle, so she could learn computer. And juicy precap....She is not going to sit and mourn over her man of dreams rejecting her through a letter...she demands: ‘If you have the slightest bit of dignity in you, come home and deliver the news of your REJECTION to my parents in SELF. I believe my parents deserve that much decency, given the way YOUR FATHER raised their hopes.’ MY HEROINE has arrived! *applause*
SLB’s direction shines through in many instances...the way Saras fidgets with his watch, when he realises his dad is still talking about the marriage, despite him having secretly made sure the girl got the message...What went wrong? He had clearly written that he was not interested, and any self respecting girl should have the intelligence to REJECT HIM before he mocked her by rejecting her himself!!!??? Wait, Mere hero...you have a little pataakha waiting to explode on your screen tomorrow. Me likes itttt!!!!
I have not warmed up to every character, I guess that takes time. For now, the characters that draw me to the show are: 1. Kumud. 2. Kumud’s Dad. 3. Saras’ stepmom. 4. Saras.....in that order.
Even Kusum and the cousin sis are not bad. One particular bit of direction I loved...when the cousin sis comes running with the letter to Kumud, screaming her name, two girls walking in front of Kumud turn around and look at the convo....little things that make a big difference!
Hmm...How is this going to end? The original story was written at a time when remarriage was not acceptable. I guess it was written as a sad representation of THOSE TIMES...the novelist’s desperation at the helpless plight of such women. The situation is different now.
Wouldn’t SLB want to get Kumud the justice she was denied decades back?
I have a happy ending in mind. Even if SLB decides to stick to the original story, I wouldn’t mind watching, provided he gives me a good enough reason for the tragedy.
Since i caught only a few scenes of the last epi and the first epi ( again a few scenes) i was confused with Kumud's tears on getting that letter...i thot she was not keen on this Dubai fella and so I thot...hey..Jen go easy on the glycerine.. So Thanks Su...for filling me in with that detail of she wanting him to own up to the aspect..which is absolutely fair thing...if u can tell the girl, he has never met.. that u can't love her, i am sure the he can muster enuf courage to say the same to his father.....ah these heroes..all paper tigers....btw, i thot Kumud's tears should have been of righteous anger not the piteous one that i thot i saw...ofc..i missed the background so i may be wrong too..
DeleteThe biggest issue i see in SC is the adaptability to current social mileu...LIke u said above, how will they justify the tragedy?...Ok the hero is not ready to commit, however he will bond with the heroine.....so far so gud...she will be committed elsewhere and in due course she will be a widow......i only see this merely as a story where some traditional mindsets will have to be dealt with at that stage...where is the issue in the love story of the 2013 if miya-biwi raazi? if miya-biwi are not raazi...where is the love story at all....mukammal or not mukammal is not the issue.....
Well I see it like this but i am assuming the writers of SC do not have the limited creative capability that i possess....I am sure they intend to do a better job there if they have built a canvas for a love story of this magnitude!!
Rekh,
Deleteah these heroes..all paper tigers.... LOL.
They should change the tagline from 'aajkal aise larke milte kahaan hain',
to 'aajkal aise BAAP miltey kahaan hain?'
The problem is not with Saras. He has made it clear to his dad that he is not interested. Dad refuses to listen to the poor guy. He continues to blackmail him emotionally, the dead maa does a good job of it too!
Saras is repeatedly reminded of his promise to his mom that he'd never disobey his dad- in spite of that he went ahead and wrote the letter to Kumud hoping she will reject him, in which case, his dad won't pester him any more!
Even yesterday, this rare dad was telling him, 'You wouldn't have a problem with this marriage, IF YOU TRUSTED ME'....and I suppose all this is going to lead up to his dad ordering him out of his house (Dubai shooting over!)...so the hero and heroine continue on in Gujarat.
Kumud's tears...he he...I have a Madhu to compare with...and trust me, it was a faint drizzle compared to the regular downpour at the chawl. :-D (You wouldn't get it: RK's ex- GF , the vamp Dipali calls her chawl- baala, and I love the way she delivers that chawl- baala bit! Main fan hoon unki!)
Kumud's tears...This is the man who appears in her dreams...she has actually drawn the upper half of his face out from that dream...she was getting Saras' photo downloaded, unfortunately the server crashed after she could see only his eyes...which matched with her drawing.(I like the adaptation of that incomplete first glance to our times.) And her dad pointed it out to her.
The whole family is excited- they know the boy's family, and the boy himself had stayed with them in his early childhood- it is a match made in heaven as far as they can see. (There is Kumud's fav aunt, who disagrees with the rest of the household, b'coz she knows the vamp the step mom is; also she has some grouse against the dad- something about them having disappointed her in the past. This lady is an elder sister(?-in-law) of the dad's- she lost her first child, and Kumud's parents had handed over their first born to her custody- not a big deal considering they are a joint family. But she has a very special bond with this niece, in spite of having kids of her own. I think she took care of Saras for sometime after his mom died- her brother speaks something to that effect.) And Kumud too had started day dreaming after she saw that incomplete download.
Kumud's tears are for her broken dreams, as well as for the disappointment that awaits her family.
mmmm....
DeleteAfter watching Friday's epi and the new promo....which says it all....Kumud is a determined girl.
'Unhe aana hi padega!'- She believes they are destined to be together, her dreams are enough to tell her so (I wonder if this dream thing was there in the original novel- if not, it sounds stupid.)...and she will go that extra mile if destiny has it that they are meant to be together. Well, I guess no one can bash Mr. SLB here, because he must be sticking to a lot of the premise in the original novel. I just hope he has the good sense to change the ending.
And also the better sense to end his tale in 6 months. I think I am becoming more and more like BS nowadays. Nothing on TV can retain my interest consistently for more than 9 months. :D
I am enjoying the SC forum ... it's full of many ex-IPKKND fans and random people making hilarious posts. I think the fact that the story is known, will prevent any major craze or hysteria.
DeleteWhy exactly does Kumud believe that SC and Kumud are destined to be together? The dream thing sounds stupid all right ... especially when Kumud is supposed to be an educated modern girl! And why is SLB showing that ... when we all know that they will NEVER be together?!
SLB wants the show to go on for at least 2 years, Su!
2 Yrs nahi Dia - SLB wants it to cross 2000 epis which translates to more than 8 yrs. How the hell he thinks he can manage it - I am not sure. The story in first week itself has gone very fast. I pop in and pop off SC forum but watching it is still a big question mark.
Deletedia, to answer your question, i think this phase of SC-KS will go for at least a month.. to trap in the initial audience, and to explain the background, while continuing the romance angle.
DeleteIf SLB is trying for a 2000 or even a 1000 episode show, every fact of the story has to be stretched.. so the sadness will be stretched as well, giving some quality time for the supporting actors to shine, i guess.
i caught only one epi in the whole week, and i was impressed.. not bad pace for a slow-moving story... and the supporting cast is a talented bunch of veterans.
MB: Rant Alert.
ReplyDeleteYeah. I know I should not jump the gun, when it comes to my dear GH bhaiya. So, Madhu decides to get played again by RK..stays back for the party- poor girl does not have the brains to think out that was exactly what he wanted- no wonder she cannot shake him off, RK deserves exactly this type of brainless girl who’d be lost in this big bad world without him.
Really, GH bhaiya, you could not think of a decent option to get Madhu to stay back? How about the director calls for a party and Madhu stays back with her friends because RK is known to brood at home, instead of attending every party that any Tom, Dick and Harry throws....he decides to stay back and taunt her. That’d have been so much better than making RK look manipulative all the time. And why did he want her to stay back? To get back at her for the First Aid joke? (That was a good one, though. And I am liking everything except for this constant reminder of Madhu’s lack of brains...but I guess I cannot complain about it...that is part of her characterisation...she is one helpless dumb heroine who comes up with empty threats and cannot help day dreaming about her knight in shining armour- even if the only thing he does is keep polishing his armour! And give cute boyish comments like, “Bahut dard hota hai, Madhu”- I totally understand, Dipali’s Hero! )
Rant over.
I am not jumping the gun and lamenting the upcoming ’hum hain deewane – lock’...it has potential. It looks silly to me- this jadoo hai nashaa hai scenario, where Madhu cannot imagine her RK tripping and falling even in her most nashaa mein doob gaye dreams. I thought her subconscious would have learned to hate and mistrust him, apparently not. Her subconscious was made only to love, so she continues to fall into his arms, hoping against hope that it is all a bad dream. Can’t really find fault with her there- she is a one- man woman, I see.
The potentials I am hoping to see:
1. Madhu had said she is learning from him. So, there is a chance she is faking it. (Fat hopes...he he..My heroine can never stoop to his level.)
2. Madhu, in her conscious state does not trust him...as evidenced by the slap- she takes every move offensive- she could easily misjudge that he had tricked her in to it! (Go for it, girl!)
I guess the most positive thing about the show is that I do get drawn to it, in spite of the weak and inconsistent characterisation of the female lead...probably for the B grade thrills...I love Dipali and even Sikki more and more. If it were not for them, who made the hero and heroine look better, and for the dialogues, and the direction that seems to be getting better...well there are lots of positives around for me to continue watching.
Opti,
DeleteFrom the last page:
‘ I would say what sort of morals have they learnt watching QH where the heroine runs off from her wedding on the nick of time and invite trouble on herself and others? Why did she not refuse to marry the guy in the first place? And this woman is supposed to be a free minded NRI. ‘
I think you got my post totally wrong.There was no reference to the MORALITY in any of my statements.
Do you seriously feel that a girl will run off from her marriage after having watched QH?
That is not a message- that is a situation.
‘You are forgetting that it was the case she slapped that got her in to so much trouble in the first place. There was no romantic notions about any of the slaps.’
Now, you are not getting my point at all.
I never associated any ROMANTIC NOTIONS with Madhu’s slaps. I don’t know how my reply conveyed that message to you.
If getting a case against him landed her in so much trouble, she could not foresee that a slap would land her in a horrible mess?
I was very SINCERE about that statement when I made it, Opti.
I am NOT degrading a show you love.
I have read enough real life instances of a woman getting raped/ attacked because she managed to irk a guy’s ego. It is a SITUATION too, but a clever heroine would handle it differently. Madhu was careless in assessing RK, especially with the history she had with him...and it really sends a wrong message out there.
So does Humeira slapping Ayan. She slapped a guy who is known to her- she KNOWS he won’t retaliate – but all boy friends and soul mates might not take it that way.
With Madhu, it was particularly dangerous, because she slapped a guy who was in a position of power- gives a whole lot of wrong ideas to ANGRY YOUNG WOMEN OUT THERE.
No one is going to manhandle a girl for running away from her wedding- even though QH showed it differently; the same does not hold true for a woman slapping a man who is a stranger.
I am not saying Zoya is smarter than Madhu here- (though God knows, there are enough examples to prove that). Zoya was wrong to run away like that- Mr. Khan keeps reminding us that- so any young girl out there who got a wrong message should listen to him.
Madhu was stupidly wrong in irking a stranger. She was justified in hitting the man she had loved, NOW knowing him well enough to know that he wouldn’t physically hurt her.
I am enjoying the show too. As you can see, my rants have come down, since I accepted the heroine can be easily played by the hero as always. I have mentioned above, how I felt they could have done more justice to Madhu's character, because I feel really bad for her.
They could create the same scenarios minus the 'oh- so - flimsy' excuses! That'd make it so much better for a viewer like me.
su, one thing i see is that a girl cannot slap a guy because he might retaliate,(aka this feminism thing is overrated):: a guy cannot slap a girl because it is male chauvinism (the girl wont do anything, maybe cry and later forgive him).. that is what you are saying, right?
Deletemadhu cannot slap RK because she knows he might retaliate??
humeira can slap ayan because what he said was despicable(aka he deserved it)and she knows he wont retaliate? what kind of logic is that?
i will answer my own question.. logic is overrated. use common sense = one thing not usually found in fantasies and fairytales and tv serials.
Dear Dia,
ReplyDeleteI have been reading this blog, and by reading i mean, along with the comments, especially the ipk ones.....its really enthralling, all of u should really write a book of ur own.....honestly, i have never seen such good writes.....most of all the girls as well as ur comments r superb....i mean the writing....
Deleteanon, thank you for reminding me of those times when we used to spend hours and hours analyzing and discussing a 20 minute episode. thanks for taking the time to comment.
thanks Jaya,
DeleteMy name is Jyothi, living in Kuwait, hve been following this blog, for sometime now...all of u r lovely....really remind me of my college days....
am born and brought up in Mumbai, do follow a lot of BW movies, tho seldom follow any soap....except for cricket or other sports, yes being an only girl, with brothers, does do this to a girl, i guess..I became an IPK fan after watching it in YT accidentally, I do equity trading, so am always on the net....
IPk was produced by 4lions as well as Pangloasean p.ltd(a sis-concern of Sphere origins)...very few people know this...IPK got the international success, only due to the stupendous acting by every one & its creatives....IPK did have a stupid story, I do not care for what LM says....he has directed many shows, which r lacklustre....only IPK stands out....i think the other Director stood out in this.....
I had watched MJHT while surfing ..was not at all impressed with any actor...(sorry, I know many of u here r Sanaya Phangirls)
Tho i did like her in IPK...i mean the emotional scenes...Yes she is the best on TV today....
I really do not know why everyone keeps on harping about the helicopter entry for BS....it was the SP's & the channels prerrogative.....even comparing KSG & BS too is stupid...in what i have seen of KSG, he is good only in naughty romantic roles, BS has an extraordinary screen presence, if he did not have that screen presence, even stepping out of a copter would not have been good....even SRK did it in K3g...how many remember it? he is the Super star...it was a very general scene...BS has a natural screen presence(I have watched his first serial Shraddha too)...
I really do not go for looks....But what i have seen of IPK...BS is exceptionally a good actor, BW has only aging heroes as of now, BS is far better that many new heroes in BW....Indian TV basically is a Female oriented one....so basically the star of a show is always the heroine....
IPK was a Sanaya show all the way, not a BS show....& all this South Mumbai stuff....A SOUTH MUMBAITE can never be self depreciating, they cut the opposite person to pieces with their looks and talks, sorry, if i hurt anybody's sentiments.....but am telling from experience...
Sorry i can never be a South Mumbaite Fan, saying this, I still maintain that SAnaya is the best in TV today.....
But BS was still better than sanaya in many scenes, infact the individual ones....he was exceptional, & to do the Diwali scene in 1 take was really outstanding.....Sanaya herself has said this....his acting and body language was far better than Sanaya's....
Anyways, its been great reading all ur comments and thoughts...Hope u all keep writing....
lots of love
jyo
Hey Jyothi, welcome to the blog ... we love it when the silent readers break their silence! And don't apologise for your opinions ... everyone has their own opinions here, and all are welcome. :)))
DeleteI don't really agree that IPK stood out only because of the acting ... actors convey a vision, and the vision is that of the cv's ... the first few months of IPK, their story telling was exceptional ... and the actors took it to another level completely. And the chemistry was definitely exceptional! Will be very difficult to replicate. But later the story and the show really went downhill, and it was only the actors and their chemistry which kept the audience glued.
BS's body language was excellent in the first half of the show. Later he faltered ... he lost interest and it showed on screen. He is an excellent actor, though, that I completely agree. It's because both were such good actors, not to mention their extraordinary good looks, that the jodi became such a hit. But I feel BS needs a good director to bring out the best in him ... the difference in performance between the start of the show and the end is what makes me feel that way.
My parents lived in South Mumbai for a while and I knew many people there. They have confidence and a certain class ... and Parsis especially are very classy people. I have many Parsi friends, Sanaya reminds me a lot of them, they are brutally frank and crystal clear at heart ... some of the most wonderful people I know. Maybe that is why I like Sanaya ... because she reminds me of them so much. Yes, they can cut others to pieces, they don't like pretentious people at all, and they can see through them very quickly. The person at the receiving end can have a tough time.
Sanaya is the best on TV today ... well, I would say she is AMONG the best ... there are quite a few good actors on TV. I admire Ratan of Veera tremendously these days - she is doing a fabulous job.
I do like Sanaya the best for sure :))) She hooked me in MJHT, when I wasn't even watching the show ... and has managed to keep me hooked through two shows - a first for me :)
Hi Jyothi,
DeleteWelcome to R&R.
I did not get the South Mumbai part...I guess must be the iv you all are talking about. Anyway, I try not to categorise people like that. Seeing Dia's explanation makes me guess it must have been some comment on Sanaya....
On BS- he is better than KSG in romantic scenes...I don't know if it was just the special chemistry he had with Sanaya. They had such a beautiful off screen relationship- it must have helped a lot too.
It is just that I find KSG better in the emotional scenes- it could also be that QH explores the emotional side of a man better than IPK.
Agree with Dia on Barun looking dull towards the end of IPK- poor guy was really chugging along...Even then, he did so much justice to the role. And as a person, Barun is the most adorable actor...I really hope he gets the best of everything.
Hello Dia, Su,
DeleteThank u for a warm welcome….. guess, I should have
interacted with all of u earlier…I love this…
Thrilled to get a whole set of new friends….
am a South Indian, I see all kinds of movies Hindi/Marathi/Gujarati/Malayalam/Tamil & English movies…having lived the best part of my life in Mumbai, I do know these many languages, Living in Kuwait, I hve learned Arabic…the kind of acting, we see in Malayalam movies, is far superior, to other movies….Sorry its going to be a lonnnng post…
First & foremost thing is that I do not hve anything against Parsis or any other religion for that matter…
Infact, I know & hve many Parsi friends, in Andheri & Goregaon-Jogeshwari border….they r the most sweet, gentle & beautiful people, well-spoken too… I am not against South-Mumbai as an area too…It’s the attitude of the people living there, that I dislike, I too hve relatives living there, the less said the better….ofcourse there r exceptions everywhere….
YES Sanaya is a good actor, in emotional scenes…If BS needs a good director then so does Sanaya, she has been in the tv industry, for around 6 years even more than BS, I think, & I have found none of her earlier serials nor her acting - interesting…she is more popular among the internet audience…
the thing is, no one knows, what the audience will like, IPK was different, till the end, I think, except for the last 2 months….I have mentioned the creatives, in my earlier post, it is the creatives who gave every episode life….but it was Sanaya , BS & the whole cast of IPK, with their excellent potrayals, who scorched our small screens…the crew did their job….IPK as a whole had a lot of loop holes & it was badly edited most of the times, I really cannot say about the camera angles, IPK is the only serial to have a very good looking cast even when the production values were useless…..
contd in my next post.....
contd from my earlier post...
DeleteI would like to point out that, if am not wrong IPK initially was directed by Maan singh & Nisaar parvez, & later it was LM & AK, many scenes were also directed by Gul as well the sardar Aman, though their names were not there in the credits….I mean the whole team of iPK has acted under so many directors, in this serial, and has been consistent through out..
YES SU, I accept, in the last stages, BS was uninterested…whtever I hve seen of KSG’s acting, I don’t know, I could not connect….anyways, I have stopped watching serials completely now….1 was enough…..
BS’s only fault was that in the initial episodes, he was too subtle, what I like about BS is that he underacts, which is a rarity in Indian Movies/TV…..
Sanaya was excellent with her emotional, argument scenes & some of her comedy scenes….She should be way better than BS in her acting capabilities as she has been around TV/ads(she has done lots of ads)/movie etc ….whatever ads I hve seen of BS, hes been rather good, especially the Big tv ad….the best I hve liked him is in DMG(I caught it on YT )….& Sanaya in IPK….
All the above, is jst my point of view, I watch movies, irrespective of any actor/actress, if I like it…hve njoyed IPK immensely -my first & last hopefully, completely viewed Indian soap, it really is the SHOLAY of Indian TV…..
luv
jyo...
Jyo,
Delete*hugs*
I have the same taste as you on movies and agree with the acting bit you highlighted in movies there. And the variety too…trendsetters, I’d proudly say, in spite of being the most impoverished and underrated and under -utilized (still!) film industry.
On IPK- the Sholay of Indian Telly….I guess that is about the only thing we all agree on uniformly.
Acting- I appreciate BS a lot in the hut scene..the guy had come from his tiring movie schedule, had to make do with BDs most of the scenes…but his expressions were perfect. I love that hut scene the most – more than Diwali or the Farmhouse…I have never seen any guy act like that- such soft expressions- each one conveying ASR’s exact thoughts. That is the most beautifully directed segment too, for me.
Even in BW, I cannot find a parallel for that scene…Jodha Akbar comes close, but BS would any day give HR a run for his money. Ranbeer Kapoor is a good actor too- I loved him in Rockstar- but I find BS better.
So when I compare with KSG…I wonder if it is because the portrayal stays etched in our mind because TV is a more lasting medium. I mean, both KSG and Barun cannot be the better actors than our fillum heroes! I am confused as to who I’d choose. But I love the way BS has decided to go for lesser known directors with a good script- shows he is dead serious about his acting career. (I am reminded of an iv I posted earlier of NS where he said he was more than happy to work with new directors who were willing to experiment.)
Khushi never required that kind of intensity, so I agree with you more and more that they are not comparable. Dia is a more staunch fan of Sanaya’s than me, even she finds Ratan a good actress. But for me, I know this one thing for sure…NO ONE could have pulled off Khushi the way Sanaya did- the only actress I can think of is Kajol…yes, she’d have done a good job of it too.
And this: KSG could have done a pretty good job of ASR- may be not as perfect as Barun- but I do see glimpses of ASR in Asad. So I know he could have pulled it off. And Surbhi is increasingly doing more and more of a good job as Zoya, but she cannot replace Sanaya.
Now the best acclamation for Barun’s acting comes from Gul herself….Sanaya was Khushi…once she realized the similarities in their character, after the initial confusion about the goofiness, Khushi was an easy ride for her. She has worked a lot, because the character was a totally different wrapper; once she got that wrapper perfected, the inner product was not difficult.
For Barun, ASR may have been relatable to physically as a rich young man with a good English accent, but the layers must have been very difficult to depict (and even direct!). So I guess in effect, I am agreeing with you a lot….as does probably Sanaya and Gul.
Jyothi,
DeleteWatch out ... you just got me started on my favorite subject - Sanaya *ROFL*
Honestly, I don't like to categorize people based on where they live, the clothes they wear, or such things ... I think it's too much generalisation. You find good people everywhere, it depends on how you look at them, and your own attitude.
"Sanaya is more popular among the internet audience" ... I would have thought the same during MJHT, till I saw that IPK was being touted as GUNJAN's comeback even on SBS ... Abhaas Mehta in his iv with Team Sarun, said clearly that Sanaya and Daljeet were far better known stars at the start of IPK than Barun ... I know DMG and MJHT were popular among the urban youth, though not among the TRP audience, which is why KSG got so much recognition. So no, I do not agree that Sanaya was popular only among the internet audience, I thought so too, and I was wrong.
MJHT was her first show as lead, and she struggled to get it, because directors never could look past her looks. And that is why I give full credit to Nissar, for discovering her and giving her that chance, and a complete change of image ... earlier she had done very Westernised roles, because of her looks. Like I said in a post earlier, I give full credit to the directors, because talented actors are a dime a dozen, but to recognize that talent and to polish it, requires a talent of its own. I gave the example of my son - two months into a new school in a new country, he was picked up for a lead role. I give full credit to his Drama teacher for that, not to him.
And *ahem* I am quite proud of the fact that I saw Sanaya's talent in Gunjan's role in MJHT ... a role she herself described as 'boring' ... yes, it was boring, especially compared to the more flamboyant Nupur ... the fact that Sanaya made that boring girl so interesting to watch, is what is really a measure of her talent. I found MJHT fairly mediocre, to be frank, I watched it only for Gunjan and the Sajan story. Her voice modulation as Gunjan throughout the entire two years plus was amazing - it's nothing like her real voice, which tends to be a little shrill at times. And she had very few dialogues, she portrayed most of her emotions through her eyes and those few words ... once you get hooked to her, you cannot appreciate any other mediocre actress. Both with Gunjan and Khushi, she has managed to rise ABOVE the script ... one, a boring role, the other, a badly written character ... that is what is a measure of her talent ... and I think that's the reason why LM calls her an intelligent actress, and why the entire TV industry is wooing her after Khushi. She got no awards as Khushi, because the character was poorly written. She is getting her pick of roles, because the industry has seen that she played that poorly written character so well.
After Gunjan, I thought she would be good only in emotional and serious roles, because she was unbelievably subtle in her portrayal - Khushi was a revelation of the measure of her range. I don't watch too much TV, I follow serials very rarely, and actors even less ... Sanaya is actually the first ever actor I have followed across two shows, and still not gotten tired of or put off by. She has justified my faith in her talent for the last four years ... which is why the OTT in Khushi annoyed me so much ... those were the instances she was hamming, and that's why I was afraid of a comedy show, because in comedy, it is easy to slip into hamming and overacting.
"Sanaya should be better than Barun because she has been around longer" ... longevity is not a measure of talent or ability ... it's the other way round, I feel ... an actor survives long if they are good. And if they are hard-working … any field requires hard work to make it big, talent or no talent. My favorite quote from Edison “Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration.” She seems to personify that.
DeleteBarun as an actor ... he is excellent ... I saw an episode of BHPH and a couple of his ads when IPK was announced - wanted to see what he was like ... and I liked him – not so much in BHPH, but in his ads. He is a subtle actor too, or rather he was subtle as ASR because that was his role ... much like Sanaya was subtle as Gunjan, because that was her role ... and she was loud and noisy as Khushi.
Like I always say, SaRun as a couple worked because they are both incredibly good looking and are both very good actors - it is UNBELIEVABLY RARE to get a combination like that on screen, big or small. But the script and the writing played an equal role in the beginning, to get the SP audience hooked to IPK ... the scenes were written well, and the progression of the Arshi story was slow and steady.
And with the new trend in BW of small movies making it big, BS has a better chance in BW today ... earlier it was all about star kids, but now good movies with well-written scripts and new directors with fresh vision, are finding success. His movies won't be a hit because of BS - they will be a hit because good stories are being made, which need good actors, and BS is definitely one. Unlike many of the star kids!
But there is still a lot of talent in BW ... it's not going to be an easy ride.
ReplyDeleteThough I try very hard to follow madhubala but apart from catching a few episodes which catch my fancy after reading the written update, I skip.
You know what I started watching -
*dont throw chappals at me*
I am watching amita ka Amit because there is a kind f peace and non tension watching where I can catch up n so many things while that s running. Just a simple story, nothing great to recommend it, no great actors, no great dialogues but still......
Usha,
DeleteI have not watched it.
But I must say,I liked something you wrote in Sanaya post. It is better not to analyse.
And I did like the promos of the show. It looked interesting- No MUs, no saazishes, no revenge tales, no fake Godman mysteries to solve, no terrorists to catch....it is like a reality show? Only more real than those fake reality shows, I suppose.
I think Sony comes up with these. SBS- I remember you mentioned how the show had gone on well until they brought the vamp...I guess I have fond memories of the show, because I got hooked on to IPK and stopped watching Sony altogether around that time. In fact, I did not watch any thing at all after that.
OMG!!! at last some one watching Amita ka Amit..am watching it from last 4 days bits of it, so i have an idea of the story :D i really found it entertaining.. today's first half that i watched was really sweet actually, the way Amit helps Amita's pregnant friend :D i was thinking kiske sath discuss karo, patha nahi koi dekh raha hai bi nahi :D
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DeleteYes nandini, it is sweet. As su said, no godmen, no revenge tales, no saazishes till now. The story of ordinary people and their ordinary lives just where just some moments are extraordinary and can be missed in the blink of an eye but they are there nevertheless.
And these shows will never get trp's but they still have that something ordinary which I like.
The gruesome foursome friends are cute. Each covering the others back.
@ Amita ka Amit
DeleteAnd it was sooooooooo nice to finally hear normal boys and girls calling each other by name without a ji and a Mr prefixing or suffixing it. :-D
Amit, amita, Preeti, arti, Sanjay, himanshu.......
yes the awesome foursome :D, all are in diff phases of life but still knit close, thats how it is right in real life.
Deletei find this serial very very relatable, all characters have their flaws, but somehow they are adorable.
i can even understand Amit's mom who wants THE BEST for her son but who will bow to her son's wishes, i think its very realistic :)
even the trip/fall/catch was very real ;) :D
anybosy heard of this news?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLRghBHrbtQ
IPK (supporting)cast going for a show in dubai?
Veera ... was discussing with my mom. Actually, she thought this even before the promo ... I just saw the promo and I think she's right.
ReplyDeleteSampooran did not sleep with Veera's mom ... she ran away from her wedding because she was pregnant. Veera's father is Nihal.
However, Amrita did tell Sampooran that Veera was his daughter, didn't she? I don't remember exactly what she said now ... will have to find the episode and re-watch. But Sampooran did accept Veera as his daughter ... that could be just to give Veera a home, because he knew why Nihal could not marry Amrita.
Interesting possibility.
Dia,
DeleteSampooran had a guilty fb of cheating on his wife...I think related to some souten dialogue she had come up with in jest...and did he have to write such a lengthy explanation and make his wife go through all that torture for the sake of some secret he had sworn to keep?...I did not watch the epi that explains Sampooran's letter...so I am not sure. But I do remember that fb he had very clearly. It was in one of the initial epis.
Amrita ran away because she had some incurable illness,or so I gathered actually from your explanation back then. I was too bugged with Ratan back then.
I like this concept of half-brother a lot.
It has been hinted that Sampooran's children will realise his dream. I really hope SP does not get in to some kind of tampering mode, just because SLB refuses to let them tamper with his product. :-D
What happened after Nihal told Ratan, that he wanted to help realise Sampooran's dream? I thought it'd suddenly strike her that he implies Sampooran may never return to fulfill his dream. But then I catch the promo where Ratan is still talking to Sampooran's photo...I thought that Basant Panchami convo was supposed to be a hint towards Nihal's real reason for coming down. I guess every one loves to keep the suspensewa...
I am just wondering why Ratan says that Veera is not Ranvi's sister at all ... if Sampooran was the father, then she knows Veera IS Ranvi's half-sister at least. That's why I thought of this ... even though I thought exactly the same thing - Sampooran confessed his infidelity, Amrita ran away because of an illness ... so how can Ratan say that Veera is not Sampooran's daughter?
DeleteLet's see ... Veera still retains my interest ... currently the only show which does retain it completely.
Dia,
DeleteI agree with you - Veera is the one show which is worth the time you spend on it. The one thing I am really loving is the closure of loops opened in this serial. The box with cockroaches came to Veera about 4 weeks back, then you have Veera locked in school, Veera finding mission, Veera going into shock, Ratan-Veera bonding, Basant panchami festival and then the makers came back to the loop and the secret that Baldev was the one who did the thing was out and Veera took revenge on him. The way the makers open things and take it slow and more importantly close it when the memory is still active in the viewers mind is really good. That is the reason even after 4 months of the show being on air, you are still nowhere near the main story of the serial. This kind of serials can go on for 1-2 yrs without becoming a drag. And the main thing is the makers are not putting out the story online or feeding spoilers so the audience still is clueless as to what to expect next. I am really becoming a fan of this PH and the director.
i found yesterday's veera epi very emotional, both kids missing their dad.
Deletewhen ranvi doubted if his dad was alive, Sneha Wagh's expression in that shot, i just had goosebumps :(
Dia, i have not seen from beginning, so i have not seen any flashback scenes, but today when Veera was talking about her Dad, i felt Nihal was guilty, am still thinking its because he feels he is responsible for Sampooran being missing, should wait and watch if there is another angle to all these
Dia,
DeleteSampooran is the father of Veera, at least if the CVs stick to what they have shown so far. I saw the episode where Ratan reads the letter and there he did admit that he slept with Veera's mom because she looked as pure as Ratan herself (or some such stupid stuff). One of the CVs came to IF and was justifying why they showed Sampooran to be 'human' enough to have fallen and that ehy were not justifyinf the act but only showing that this can happen to the best of people. If they now turn around and show that Nihal is Veera's real father, it would be really unbeleivable. Already I am still trying to reconcile with the about-turn they made in RK's characterisation in MB which now I am seriously believing to be an after thought twist and not something they would have clearly palnned for months. I hope Veera doesn't become like all these ridiculous shows which do not stick to their plots.
Opti,
DeleteAgree with you. I don't think they are going to show Nihal is the dad of Veera. Nihal must be the person responsible for Sampooran's death. I don't htink Sampooran is coming back. The creatives in Veera are having a tight grip on the story and no way they are going to commit such a big blunder. And I think now Ranvi will come to know that Veera is illegitimate and so he is going to accept her as is and will be her mother/brother.
Ah, yes, I had forgotten exactly what he wrote in the latter. So yes, Sampooran is Veera's father all right ... I hope the cv's don't change that, and Nihal is there only to work off a debt ... either he killed Sampooran by mistake, or he was somehow responsible for Sampooran's death because he was mistaken for Sampooran, or Sampooran died trying to save him ... any number of possibilities.
DeleteI too loved the Friday episode where both the children were missing their father ... so beautifully portrayed.
Dia,
DeleteNihal could be related to Amrita, I felt. He might be her brother or something.
I was wondering why Sampooran left the village in the first place. The shame was enough, but he could also have gone to Amrita's family to deliver the news of her demise.
The way Nihal looks at Veera makes me feel sometimes that he knows...more than the superficial way every one else in the village knows...about Veera's parentage. Either Sampooran was very close to him before his death, or he knew the mother quite well.
And may be I am seeing things here- the way he looks at Ratan- in a sad, sorry sort of way. Is it only the guilt of bearing the news of Sampooran's death, which is bad enough?
Or does he sympathise with her also for having to accept her husband's illegitimate child?...just a far-fetched thought.
humm - i think thanks to the internet - we end up over thinking the simplest things - tried reading some IF comments - people go on and on about every little thing!
ReplyDeletedont know how drunks act - but i thought if they are so unsteady on the feet they will also be incoherent - so how were MB and RK so coherent and yet unsteady? I guess that was creative license - just a way of saying "look audience - the couple IS drunk and hence honest and there is no tricky here" - basically to say that RK is going through turmoil and is not all bad and MB is also going through turmoil but still cares. i really liked the "try harder and you will be able to hate me" - as if its a maths sum - practice and you will get the hang of it - and the "was it so easy to hate me" - summed up the confusions really well
So for me - MB is at a very interesting juncture - what will happen next?
- will it do the IPK holi way where both will act as if nothing happened and this was just a way of pacifying the audience after all the heartache
- will RK remember and try to accept the truth or fight against his heart - harder than before
- will MB remember and do something about it
- wonder if the contract will come up again? an excuse to get them both under the same roof?
Mona,
DeleteUnsteady and coherent: I felt the idea is not weird, it is normal. People confess up when they are under the influence...all the time. What matters is the finesse with which a scene like that is handled.
Personally, I preferred the previous two- three epis much more compared to this. But I sat through it patiently...FOR THIS RESULT....
"Main roz apne aap ko maarti hoon.....": a very haunting dialogue. I don't think I'll forget that; Madhu will not have any memory of this convo, I feel. RK might remember some of it..he he.. he is used to getting drunk.
What will happen?
I think Madhu will be livid with anger when she finds out RK 'tricked' her into his bed. And if Dipali decides to make a mockery of Madhu...which is what she set out to do, in the first place...Madhu will naturally assume all this is part of RK's plans to humiliate her.
Hmm..I wonder how large scale the humiliation can turn out to be.
I have a feeling it is time to get the two under one roof under whatever pretext...?
RK could order Madhu back into his life, this time with all the right intentions...she has not paid up, after all.
Madhu asked Deedu that question two epis back: Will she ever be able to trust him again?
I feel: Madhu roz marti hain. She has to hate the man even when her heart can't help loving him. That is because her brains and instinct tell her she should never trust him again.
On the drunk acting bit: Felt the scene could have been done much much better- acting and direction wise. (I feel the director is at fault...he is not giving the right cues. VD is excellent with Dipali...so he is def a good actor.The director is probably not utilising him well.)
Sheesh...If I have to sit through one episode of poorly directed mushiness to get one meaningful dialogue...I guess it will not be so bad when they go back to putting their masks on.
IPK holi: I guess you will disagree with me. :D
It was not for pacifying the audience...neither was Heer Ranjha...it was preserving the essence of the love story. Was done much much better. There was no confusion in the minds of the audience as to what each meant for the other and why they were in this situation.(Unlike here)
And if Arnav decided to ignore what he had heard in his inebriated state, over what he had seen with his eyes and heard with his ears when he was fully in control of his faculties....I feel the makers handled it pretty well, given they did not want them getting back together, yet. Well within the limits of creative license, for me.
Monu,Su (hugs to u both
DeleteI can't comment on MB as I don't follow it...but in respect of IPK, i will agree with Su that Holi was not for pacifying the audience.....Holi was a moment when ASR let down his defences and he saw the allure they had for each other as well as the strange bond that seemed to connect them...the bhaang was only meant to lull him to forget that they had a painful history too...
at the risk of digressing, i just wish to make a point...I know i can never convince anyone that ASR (and by that i mean the story teller) never intended to look for proof for believing in Khushi.....it was not meant to be....atleast not in a logical sort of way....it wasn't supposed to be a case of him disproving and then realising he was wrong....
It was meant for a gud part...to be the journey of ASR dealing with his private hell of having fallen for an unworthy woman...having to live thru moments of intense dislike interspersed with passion that he felt for her....and almost discovering to his utter surprise and resignation that he just had no control over his feelings for her...I am not going into the other intended journey of ASR, which never happened (a part of which was RTR)
I know the suspension of logic in the actual narrative somewhere interfered with what i have stated above but for me the appeal in the tale was this esoteric concept....it is not for real and i may (make it would) not accept it in real life...but i liked the fact that they were trying to tell me that the man loved despite himself...to love knowingly is anyways not so difficult...
I accepted the story in its broad content (some of it in hindsight too) until ASR slapped Shyam becos i saw the culmination of one beautiful journey..
Dia - i deserve a hug for this one ;)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF8dEIIhtIk
Oh wow ... HQ link! She looks gorgeous!!!
DeleteSorry, Monu, blog ate up your post ... just rescued it. My net is iffy here ... kept dropping.
thank you, mona! ((hugs))
Deletewhat - the blog is eating up my posts - i deserved a hug fot that one :(
ReplyDeleteDia,
ReplyDeleteI just had to post this here. I was going through the TB interview of Toral - the new Anandi on BV. Here is what she says
"How did you get this show?
It was a total surprise to me when I was informed just couple of days ago that I would be auditioned to play the role of Anandi. Earlier there was a look test which went for around 20 days and I was only told that the producer Sphere Origins' is coming up with a new show and I am being auditioned for the same."
The whole interview is here
http://www.india-forums.com/tellybuzz/starry-takes/14094-playing-anandi-is-a-dream-come-true-toral-rasputra.htm
So looking at this interview I am amazed as to how good Sphere Origins have handled the exit of Anandi. Apparently Pratuysha would have given her notice 2 months back - that is the standard norm for leads in most PH and also there were reports that she was planning to quit around the time of Shiv-Anandi marriage track. So the team knew she was quitting, there were no leaks to third party, no one gave out any contradicting reports and neither did we have TOI articles giving out stupid storylines, even apparently the replacement actress was not told that she was going to replace Anandi and the look tests went for 20 days but the PH didn't let out for which character the look test were being taken and bang 2 days before the actual change of the face of the lead, you have reports that the lead actress is changed and from 4th March you will see a new face but the story will remain the same.
Contrast this to the way Gul and 4Lions PH handled Barun's notice. Apparently the team knew that barun was exhausted and wanted a break from June itself.Given that couldn't they have gone about their work and tried to finish off the loops. There was no need to leak the news to Zee and no need to swear on their mothers and absolute no need to post an outburst letter on Forum 32 citing the 'story has run the course' and definitely no need to ridicule viewers intelligence with the stupid storylines from Sheetal track to Mrs.India track.They could have worked with Barun with their story going on full steam and bang 2 days before they could have replaced ASR with Viraf citing Barun leaving due to health reasons. I don't think the show would have been pulled off had the 4Lions PH approached this problem the way Sphere Origins did. It would have at least gone on till Feb end and the story would have been complete by the time SC comes on air. That is the reason I really go ballistic sometimes on 4Lions PH. And now everyone claim that they could have taken the serial ahead. Pray who told them to jump like silly monkeys who got hold of coconut. They could have handled the exit of the lead like above. So the next time some one comes(Gul or LM) saying they wanted the serial to go on and they directly or indirectly blame Barun, I would so wish they take a reality check and see where they completely messed up.
Anyways I am happy that Sanaya is away from this PH and is coming in a new show with a good PH. Barun seems to have signed 1 more film(some posts I read in MF) so it looks like he is going to be in BW for this year and if it works out he will be doing cameos in serials. So hopefully BS/SI and the rest of cast do get their dues which the PH 4Lions never gave them and they continue to shine brighter in their new shows/movies.
the Mega Sarun VM ...
ReplyDeletefull 20 minutes of sarun...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKyTxYk40vg
sigh... i dont know why i feel that they are not distant people in another place, but my own family..
and the 20 minutes -as long as a normal episode, now that i think about it..feels like one instant.. :( miss them so much!! to think i will never get to see that rapport shared the IPK cast .. :(
(SN have posted some links in the prev post.. time mile to check kar lena..)
awww J..that is SO beautiful!!! :))) Zoya's best work if I can say that!!! :))
Deleteand I realised something today while watching this VM..I don't know how many of you believe in such kind of things, but I feel Sanaya-Barun are soulmates.. :) not in the lover kind of way...but like two people who just simply fit together.. :) I've always felt that abt SRK-kajol.. they didn't do many movies together infact did maybe just like 5 or 7 handful of them...inspite of that, they are touted to have the best chemistry..coz they gel soo well offscreen.. :) I feel Sanaya and Barun are like that.. :)) I truly believe that they are soulmates... :)
I do miss them, but then I also feel that its more special this way somehow... :))
madsie, that is exactly what arshad khan said in his teamsarun interview
DeleteMads,
DeleteHi-five!
I said the same about SRK- Kajol once, with ref to Sarun.
You know what I feel...They are like twins separated at birth...such understanding! (He he...that is why I even came up with an idea of casting them as siblings...no chappals please. They'd make a mighty adorable naughty pair of twins!)
laugh a bit... i know i have posted this before, but ROFL
ReplyDeleteZor Ka Jhatka
wanna see an ADORABLE couple?
ReplyDeleteBunty Aur Babli - IPKKND
sigh. (hand on my heart) kissi ka nazar na lage!
wow.. i had never seen this VM maker..
ReplyDeletesee this one.. who says arnav cannot dance!
THe disco song - IPKKND
this is a set of VERY intense moments.. because the intensity was one of the best parts of IPK.. stringed together to the tune of the DABH title song.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gc_Ul0zPpY
Loved this VM. I absolutely love the DABH title song - this and RBO's title song(Rang badalti Odhani) were very good with Rajasthani folk music in the songs. These 2 songs are always on my playlist and I listen to them whenever I am down. Absolutely loved the combination of Arnav-Khushi intense scenes for this title song.Thanks Jaya.
DeleteJust saw this on IF
ReplyDeletehttp://www.india-forums.com/tellybuzz/creative-cocktail/14105-season-2-of-fiction-shows-the-emerging-trend-on-indian-televisio.htm
So finally Indian TV is waking up to seasons formula. And in Modern Bahu also lot of actors from Saas bina Sasural are going to be repeated so we can call it a season 2 though not in the complete sense. Wish Gul had the vision to make IPK as seasons. They could have taken the IPK to a crescendo with closing all the loops regarding Shyam(leaving a little for past and season 2), the contract marriage truth out, the remarriage idea and then boom you have the past out in with both walking away from each other and there comes the end of Season 1.
Wait for 3-4 months and work on the second season wherein Arnav and Khushi work with each other after a gap of 1yr or so(maybe Khushi can be PA in Arnav's business partner) and both Khushi and Arnav don't acknowledge each other and you have this tag of nafrat - mohabbat and finally the whole past and both coming together in the end of Season 2. There were so many good stories on IF where in Arnav and Khushi walk away only to meet after a year or so and how both fight their attraction and don't acknowledge each other.
Gul could have taken the story in that way and could have gotten another show which could easily last for another year or so.This would have been a golden opportunity for Gul to have created a master piece in Indian Telly world if only she could have seen the bigger picture. Instead she was busy with Koffee interviews and clearing her name. That is what they teach in Masters course - Always look at the bigger picture.
I am happy at least now the Indian Telly is waking up to the concept of seasons - Hopefully we will have seasons concept in the next few years and that can give us quality shows instead of quantity.Enough of saas-bahu shows which go on for years together without any sensible plot or storyline.
su, you will like this:
ReplyDeletebehind the scenes in the gudiya factory
Raziya Begum’s Revelation
You bet! You bet!
DeleteI have always wished the creatives'd come out with something that shows their hard work...all that goes unnoticed and forgotten in the chamak we get on our screen!
If there are people out there who are willing to listen, let them listen. Bas Itna samjhao, kaafi hai.
I love their BTS videos.
But this one is a treat for Shwetha actually, since it has both her heroes. It is all about them.
I think Nandini will love it too, for the unseen, 'unsung' stars of the segment. After all, the song is about them *wink*
Hmmm...Is that Zoya's mom in flesh and blood? :-D
Oh!
DeleteI found a blooper thanks to BTS. The woman holds Raziya's elbow, while trying to stop her from stabbing...WRONG!
She should be holding her forearm or her wrist..that's what anyone, including a kid'd do in self defence!
That can't be Zoya's mom! :-D
that was not zoya's mom, that was dupe.. only the back of her head was shown in the actual video. if and when that actress comes on screen, i think the scene will be re shot
DeleteJaya :) thanks a lot for sharing this..that lady is a wonderful actor, she is Varun Badola's sister right, i remember their father is a very good actor too..a very talented family..
Deletenow for my MOST FAV :D :D *Arshad bhai*
very well done scene.. i do not know how many of you follow telly tadka, i used to frequently follow their weekly episodes after my first interaction with them from LNMDJ intvs, they used to always make sure that they include BTS of any on-air show at a given point in time, i have seen how hard ppl work, i guess after seeing quite a few, i realized how easy it is to just push off serials when we do not like it, i think watching those made me a bit more lenient to serials, i try not being very harsh when things are not to my liking :)
am really happy forum32 is putting up these videos, they have a winner at hand, heard the TRPs are doing good, they have a very good strong supporting star cast and they seem to be using them to their potential and spreading out the story, happy for them and good luck to them :)
Nan, that lady is Varun Badola's sister? Wow ... no wonder she's so good, it must be in the genes!
DeleteI wish Varun Badola would come with Sanaya in a show ... he is an actor I really like. Not as her love interest - he looks to old for that ... but as her brother or father or something.
I love seeing the BTS videos ... has anyone seen any of the FRIENDS ones? The way they used to film their episodes is great to watch ... they film in front of a live audience, and test their jokes and lines by the reactions. And all the rooms are on a revolving set, or a series of rooms set up in a row. It's fascinating! And true, it makes me appreciate the work behind the scenes so much more ... even the SBS segments do that sometimes, when they show the filming of a difficult scene sometimes.
Thanks a lot for sharing this Jaya.
DeletePrior to coming online, I was surfing the TV and caught a rerun of Raziya Begum and Badi Bi's face-off, followed by Raziya's threat - WHAT AN ABSOLUTE TREAT TO WATCH! Raziya Begum makes for a very riveting villain on screen! Seems like the PH is very good in picking actors for its villainous roles. Shyam (Abhaas) was also excellent, it's just a pity they never did justice to his story. :(
Sorry Shwetha, but then came Akash (Akshay)in Punar Vivah...... he has a long, long, long, way to go..... his scene portraying anger was lightweight (I will keep featherweight for Ayan's acting).................
one of THE BEST that I've come across.. :D ROFL!!! inspite of the intimate scenes, it is veryy funny! :D
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Aq7UpMQFOs
I'd forgotten just how much chemistry these both used to have!!! :)) anyway, enjoy this VM.. its brilliantly made!!! :D
ROFL
Deleteseriously.. every time i see this again, i burst out laughing.. the subtitles, and the apt song bytes...
Hilarious Mads.........songs and subtitles were perfect!
DeleteGirls, I will be erratic the next week or two ... family wedding. Will keep popping in when I can.
ReplyDeleteEnjoy the wedding Dia!
DeleteEnjoy yourself Dia :)
DeleteHello Everyone
ReplyDeleteJust popped in to see what has been happening and I am so thrilled that Sanya will be coming back onto the small screen. Unfortunately I don't get the channel but hope to catch on line.
Thank you for all the links to the trips down memory lane. Still miss IPK even now.
I am not sure who said it but I too think that BS & SI had a very special relationship offscreen, soulmates, that made them so comfortable on screen.
I have been watching a bit of Veera and find the kids really cute. Also have been looking at QH as we have just received the channel, unfortunately it doesn't come with the English subtitles. KSG is very good, but have to say the Barun for me is the better actor. Barun's eyes, facial expressions and body language are excellent and he portrays emotions really well. I will keep watching,though because it seems a really serial and there is really not much else happening.
Dia, I have read that the next series of Downton Abbey is being filmed at the moment and starts at Matthews graveside. I will let you know when it starts showing.
Take care everyone, hope all is well with you all. Going to be busy for a few days as my daughter is expecting her baby very soon.
Lin
LIN!!(((hugs))
Deletelong time no see!
very glad that you popped in! awww your baby's gonna have a baby? must be a really worrying time for you! best of luck , we'll be praying that everything goes well.
do come back and join the conversation whenever you get time!
Lin,
DeleteNice to see you after a loooong time.
*hugs* and all the very best!
Hi Lin, missed ur post above...just saw it....take care...all the very best!!
DeleteHi Lin, wonderful news ... all the best to you and your daughter! Let us know the good news when it happens!
DeleteWe're all excited about Sanaya's comeback ... am waiting for the show to start, then will start my daily updates again. Although it is going to be a sitcom from the sound of it, so not much analysis will be required - will just enjoy the show!
They started filming Downton Abbey again? Thanks for that, Lin ... another one I am really waiting for ... though without Matthew :(((
J,
ReplyDeleteYou got me totally wrong on the slap...*giggles*
This is the logic I found:
1. A guy can never slap a girl...UNLESS he is caught in a situation where he is blind to the fact that it is a GIRL standing in front of him. That is what happened to Asad- he was blinded by his Ammi's precarious situation and the memory that flashed in front of him that moment was how Zoya had 'lied' to him, saying she had sent mariam away...she chose that very same moment to apologise...apologise for what? For lying to him that she had sent Mariam away?
That is how Asad took it. And a sorry was not going to undo the damage...the slap was not a punishment...it was the way he let himself out...he was blind in ANGER AND FRUSTRATION. It was unfortunate that he could not see she was a girl, right then.
2. Humeira slapping Ayan...again the slap came as a REFLEX...she did say that 'and to think I almost...(thought I loved you)', and he called her ammi 'giree hui'...something no girl or boy can tolerate.(he he...and least of all a weak character who thought of committing suicide!- though she has come a long way from then.)
If Humeira had said that dialogue, Ayan might have slapped her too, in the heat of the moment...but he would've apologised nicely and properly too, since they are like best friends.
3. Madhu 's 4 slaps...was not a reflex. She had a lot of time to think as she walked...plus she should have known that RK is ruthless, given his history with her...what difference did she think 4 slaps would make? What was the point in even confronting a guy like that...who had manipulated her already enough to break her engagement and wound her father to require intensive care...did she think 4 slaps would reform him?
Logically, a girl can hit a guy and a boy can hit a girl in the heat of the moment. A guy hitting a girl looks bad. Actually, it did not look bad to me until it was magnified and pointed out...
I am not talking about repeated offenders here. Once in a while this happens in normal families, these guys don't need to undergo counselling for losing their temper to that extent FOR ONCE.
Fathers hit their daughters...brothers hit their sisters..Husbands hit their wives...WHEN THE WOMEN CROSS A LINE..Asad perceived Zoya to have CROSSED THAT LINE.
If you remember, Asad was scared for Zoya's life actually when he told her to send Mariam away. The threat was only for Zoya's safety...now, when she disobeyed him and misled him...and in the meanwhile indirectly caused this mishap...that is when he lost it!
He was trying to protect her, and she rebelled...ended up in HIS Ammi almost getting killed. Fair enough reason, for me.
I suppose Zoya understood it was the passion of the moment,did not make a big issue- considering phoophi was still in danger- that is why she accepted the apology the SECOND time...because she knew THE APOLOGY CAME FROM HIS HEART.
He he...
DeletePlease add this to th efathers hitting daughters line....for the sake of completion.
Mothers hit their sons...sisters hit their brothers...wives hit their husbands...girls hit their lovers...etc. only when the LINE HAS BEEN CROSSED!
DeleteI dont believe in "well-deserved slaps". a slap on the face is violence, period.
so the whole argument is moot for me, but as you demonstrated, because there is a group of TV audience that think slaps are okay, (according to some survey, randomly off the top of my head, 80% of young men and 60% of young women in india think that a slap is acceptable, if deserved, from a husband to a wife.)
but i am not part of that percentage, and never will be. my take is very clearly explained by this article and that was one of the reasons i was disappointed by arnav slapping shyam.. i expected a punch. and in asad-zoya.. i expected him to grab her by the shoulders and vent, not slap her.
i am not a nonviolent person by any means.. so dont think i am being preachy.. i just think a slap is a girly thing to do.
and honesly, dangling badi bi upside down.. just killed the serial for me. i mean.. there are so many effective verbal methods of torture.. why such base terrorizing on a tv show that is NOT U/A rated?
SN it was almost as unrelated as those mini-bharatanatyam costumes in Ra-one. everyone hated it.. but could not avoid it.. and could not prevent their kids seeing it. ( yes, off topic, but that is the definition of rambling, i guess.) I have no objection to shorty shorts, bikinis or mardi gras costumes.. but i object to exposing kids below 12 to such material...acc to censor board certification guidelines. and yet this badi bi hanging got through.
so excuse me while i dont watch QH anymore.
I agree with J on this point...i thot this was the original (rhetorical) question raised by J in the previous post..about how is one kind of offence better than the other...For me too, violence is violence...so any other point moot. No winners for me in a debate where the presumption itself is that some form is acceptable over another
Deletei know the points being debated were more in the realm of fiction where it all seems all easy to give judgement being privy to knowledge but even in that space, i feel creatives must remain conscious of how their work will be perceived...which is why i would shun the kind of sequences quoted by J..(thanks for the warning not that i watch QH for the drama..i have ff every other element in the drama in the few times i watched it!)
I am also not correlating this aspect to the usual depiction of violence in movies/serials. The acts expressed by a hero is acclaimed and that by another denounced...and everyone seems to believe that justice has been done...but to me that is an utopian world or rather fantasy world where we know who is the gud guy and who is the bad guy...so it all seems pre-ordained....as if the gud guy was handed over the powers to sit in on judgement..(which is fine by me if it is in the make-believe space becos i feel have a clear appreciation of what i want to assimilate from there; i just block off when i don't like something..i can choose not to watch a movie or appreciate the point) but even then for me the most macabre image that i saw in a TV serial in recent times was unfortunately in IPK, the episode of miscarriage.it was repulsive to say the least becos i felt the point could have been made by many other less morbid and more creative ways...(as J so rightly put above)
Just popped in to say ... am with Jaya and Rekha ... I haven't watched QH since that scene of Raziya torturing Badi Bi. It put me off completely and will take a while for me to check it out again. There really should be a censor board on TV too ... such graphic violence is really unsuitable for general viewing ... far more than the love scenes they are so quick to censor. And they have to show that the villain does NOT get away with this kind of behaviour.
DeleteIn a hurry ... will catch up later on the next post :)))
Dia/J/Rekha,
DeleteLong time - Busy in AD and haven't had a chance to pop in. Following the discussion above and wanted to put down my thoughts. Though I haven't seen the QH scene of Raziya torturing Badi Bi but for me the Shyam torture of Shashi was horrible and next comes the miscarriage scene of Anjali. I was completely put off with both the scenes - Shyam almost killing Shashi and Shyam causing the miscarriage were too gruesome. And in the end the creatives never disclosed that Shyam was the reason behind Shashi's illness - one of the many loop holes that were left open and Shyam in my opinion was never completely punished for his wrong doings. I am not sure if other serials follow this kind of violence in their shows but I do hope we will have some kind of censor board which overlooks the quality in the serials. It is for the same reason I absolutely hated Pratigya and the Na aana kind of shows - they were very regressive and even their promos used to put me off.
Hmmm...
DeleteSlap is a girly thing to do...
I suppose you all haven't been desensitised enough with hindi movies showing fathers slapping their sons...Police Officers slapping culprits....So I don't feel it is a girly thing to do. Not at all.
On Violence...to a degree, I agree with all of you. Esp with the Badi Bi sequence. It was not required, but it did not offend me enough to put me off the serial. In fact, the only thing I have against the act is my son finding it uncomfortable. But he perked up immediately with 'it is not real na, mama...' and I think he sees more violence in his cartoons.(I swear, I get scared with the expressions that come with the Chhotta Bheem fight sequences.)
Anjali's miscarriage...I was not put off by the bleeding feet at all...because it conveyed a POINT...it reminded me of some Mughal dancer who danced on glass shards for her beloved...I was glad they did not show blood on her dress and the floor as she fell down...I mean, the abortion itself could have been portrayed in a gruesome way. I am happy they did not do that.
J,
Don't tell me you have not been watching the highway 13 track...rain dance coming up today.
J,
DeleteI am not able to get the article you quoted.
www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-is-2020/201207/slapping-your-partner-is-sometimes-okay
DeleteYeah. I tried that. Even got into their website...can't get the article.
Deletehas anyone here seen the serial Dastan on youtube?
ReplyDeleteno.. is it good?
DeleteZee TV's badalte rishton ki dastaan?
DeleteThats not started yet, right?
The promos looked good until they introduced the characters...does not look interesting any more.
now this one is so irreverent and honestly, i am expecting chappals, but still,
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhJI61vz73M