Yeh lo ... new post for the week ... starting on Saturday itself!!! The bak bak gang seems to be back in full force :)))
Veera
Qabool Hai
Madhubala
IPKKND
Na Bole Tum ... Opti is threatening to re-start watching it. I too gave up ... don't like the Nanhi-Beera track at all.
Balika Vadhu - Anyone watching the Jagya Ganga track?
Adding Saraswatichandra, as it starts on Monday.
Team Sarun Visit to Mumbai - Meeting with Barun
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3453722
Everyone who meets Barun in person says he's better looking in real life than on screen ... cannot understand how that can be, because the guy is pretty darn hot on screen itself!!! If only he would get rid of the fungus on his face!!! And again, everyone talks about how nice and down to earth he is in real life. Sweet!!!
Enjoyed the post ... hope they will update the video also. Also LOVED the snippets about Sanaya - she packed their gifts for both of them on the UK trip, and has 'her own method of packing' ... am guessing that will be a crazy one, just like her. And nice to know that he does miss IPKKND ... first time really that I got a sense of that ... so thanks, Team Sarun!
Wish they had managed to meet with Sanaya too ... actually, there's nothing much more she would have said that she hasn't already ... so it was nice to hear so many snippets from the other cast members as well.
Veera
Qabool Hai
Madhubala
IPKKND
Na Bole Tum ... Opti is threatening to re-start watching it. I too gave up ... don't like the Nanhi-Beera track at all.
Balika Vadhu - Anyone watching the Jagya Ganga track?
Adding Saraswatichandra, as it starts on Monday.
Team Sarun Visit to Mumbai - Meeting with Barun
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3453722
Everyone who meets Barun in person says he's better looking in real life than on screen ... cannot understand how that can be, because the guy is pretty darn hot on screen itself!!! If only he would get rid of the fungus on his face!!! And again, everyone talks about how nice and down to earth he is in real life. Sweet!!!
Enjoyed the post ... hope they will update the video also. Also LOVED the snippets about Sanaya - she packed their gifts for both of them on the UK trip, and has 'her own method of packing' ... am guessing that will be a crazy one, just like her. And nice to know that he does miss IPKKND ... first time really that I got a sense of that ... so thanks, Team Sarun!
Wish they had managed to meet with Sanaya too ... actually, there's nothing much more she would have said that she hasn't already ... so it was nice to hear so many snippets from the other cast members as well.
Dia,
ReplyDeleteSaraswatichandra...yes, finally the wait is over. I really want to see what the hype was all about.
QH:
ReplyDeleteMona,
*hugs* again.
I have replied to your queries in the last post.
Opti,
Somehow I can't accept men who betray their wives and worse if they are also cowards. Rashid is both so for me it is poetic justice that he is in jail. I hope he rots there for awhile before getting freed. He's messed up the lives of two families and no jutification of being manipulated by the evil lady will do for me.
*hugs*
I get it you did not read that elaborate *wink* discourse on repentance and forgiveness I gave two weeks back, that almost earned me a halo...well, almost...I ruined it with a ‘go to hell’ comment towards Asad. Ah! That halo is not coming back for me ever again. :D
I have only questions for you.
No one can accept betrayers and cowards...who forgives them?
God?
What do they do to earn God’s forgiveness?
Repentance?
Can a woman forgive her wayward husband...who is trapped in his own cowardice...should she let him rot in hell, knowing he is innocent?
Can a woman be godly?
Does she have to be godly?
‘ and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.’
What did we do to get our debts forgiven?
What does our debtors have to do, in order for us to forgive their trespasses against us? Would anything that Rashid does EVER be enough to earn Dilshad’s forgiveness?
I wrote this to Sarada in the Sanaya post, on the language that Gul’s heroines speak:
"Man must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love.
Martin Luther King, Jr."
You can disagree with me, you wouldn’t be the only one.
Personally, I feel Rashid has paid for that infidelity he committed 20 years back...he had wronged Dilshad. Allah punished him for that. For 17 long years, he was denied the only woman he had truly loved...and he was repeatedly humiliated in the eyes of his children...and he is still serving out that sentence, when he learns that his SON thinks he is a beast...beast enough to plot murder of the woman he loves.
Infact, THAT TROUBLES him more than the murder charges..’does he really think so low of me?’
I PITY RASHID.
17 years back, if all this had not happened...and Rashid had not left Dilshad...and they were together still...I would have found terrible injustice in that! Then, I would have asked Gul:’where is the justice? Why did you let him off so easy?’
And if he had been caught and penalised for the arson, I would have still asked Gul: ‘where is the justice for Dilshad? He got punished for setting fire. What about the punishment for breaking her heart.’
Opti,
DeleteI don’t think you intend to seriously watch QH, but I am just putting down a few thoughts and memories that keep me firmly hooked on to Gul.
THIS IS MY REVENGE FOR DILSHAD. (That halo is never coming back for me!)
If Tomorrow Comes is a book that made me clench my teeth and made me want to commit murder(of fictional characters, thankfully.:D). Tracy Whitney is one of the strongest heroines I have read.
1. “Every man is a prisoner, and the greatest prison of all is to be the prisoner of another man.”
― Sidney Sheldon, Bloodline
2. “ She was going to make them pay… Tomorrow, she thought. If tomorrow comes. ”
And finally this is how Tracy made the guy who betrayed her love, pay:
“Finally, she follows Charles to a restaurant and sees that he is unhappy with his marriage, by the way he and his wife ignore each other on the table and the OBVIOUS SAD AND BORED FACE of Charles, and she lets go of her anger as he is now punished.”
(Could not get the exact quote from the book.)
Rashid’s punishment is not so severe, because he stayed away to protect Dilshad too.
The day Rashid walked in to Dilshad’s house after 17 long years, she got shot!
Also, he had truly repented when he BEGGED her to take him back along with Ayan.
So, he ended up with a dumb woman, who clings on to him..one he cannot love; he cannot leave her either, for pity and the charm of her innocence binds him to her; even as he yearns to belong to another.
Su,
DeleteI read your comment and I have to reply to this. Because forgive me I don't agree on few things. You quoted 'If Tomorrow comes' - was my favorite novel when I first started reading. In that Tracy takes revenge on all the people and bit by bit she gives it back to the people that hurt her. When she comes to Charles, I think by the time she meets him she has already moved on and that's why she doesn't want to linger on. And it is simply not because she decides he has had punishment enough, she feels that is enough. She herself has moved on and the character now has no relevance in her life and that is why she leaves him with his boring wife and knows that there is someone else for her in this new life.
Coming to here for QH - Do you see Dilshad moving on. Do you feel she has had an happy life sleeping in the arms of the man she loves and having the support of the other person in raising her kids and facing her day to day problems. Dilshad is stuck with raising her kids all alone,fighting her day to day problems all alone where as Rashid after cheating for 7-8 yrs for the first time behind her back has gone back to his second wife and apparently without any justification. It really doesn't matter whether he was stuck up with a dumb girl, it is pretty evident that he shared the bed with her or otherwise he wouldn't have the other 2 kids. Now please don't justify that he imagined being with Dilshad when he was with Shireen. That is sick - plain and simple. The way I see it whether Rashid was happy or not - he got 2 women who adored him when he was with him and he is having his cake and eating it too. Had they shown Dilshad moving on with someone else who is there for her through thick and thin, I would have agreed yes it is a punishment for Rashid for his wrongs. But nope here they are showing that Dilshad is ready to forgive Rashid and that is what I am against about.
Forgiveness is when I move on in life and don't dwell on past - a past where I have been hurt. Forgiveness is not what Dilshad is doing. She is pining for her love. What kind of forgiveness is this where you are lonely burning in slowly day in/day out where as your culprit is happy. Nope not my thinking of forgiveness. And yes my mom used to say - 'to err is human and to forgive is divine' and all the whole 9 yards but at the same time she always said, first make sure you are happy before you forgive someone. Because forgiveness when you just give it without you yourself being happy is not true forgiveness. Let them show that Dilshad has moved on in life and doesn't accept Rashid when he wants to come back - That would be his punishment. The only way I see out of this mess is that they will show one wife dying and the other accepting the whole brood of children which is again pathetic because the culprit Rashid has walked away scot-free.
post 2 contd,
Deleteregarding your quote of Martin Luther about human evolution due to love and all that - the context is entirely different Su. Marthin quoted this because blacks were treated like dirt in US before he came along and advocated love and brotherhood between all people. This I wanted to post in the last post but posting it here itself. I think you take any comment out of context you can pretty much justify anything - you can justify any wrong.
Coming to Gul's heroines(as this comment was regarding that in the first place) - I have seen Geet and Khushi so commenting on them only and not on Zoya(just clearing).
- Geet, had I been in Geet's place would I have forgiven the person who took advantage of my life/my innocence and dumped me at airport leaving with my property and for whom I pinned all my love. Nope never. Because no one has the right to play with my life and leave me. Geet I don't think forgave Dev till she knows that Dev is Maan's brother(some one correct me here I was watching this show on FF mode in between). Till that point I am fine. But then she suddenly forgives Dev because she thinks Maan would want his family happiness - See that is where I have problem of watering down Geet's character. She fought with all and sundry, had her life at stake and then she decides that she *has*(emphasis on the has to) to forgive Dev because of Maan. Hell woman what about the fact that he played with your life. Had the creators shown Geet talks to Maan and then both decide to forgive Dev, I would have agreed. They showed Geet forgiving Dev but not Maan and for this Geet gets angry and moves away whereas I felt Maan was right. Anyone with an iota of self-respect wouldn't forgive Dev. And this is where the creatives completely murdered Geet and I couldn't ever understand why. And nope I don't agree that Maan transformed due to Geet's love - Maan was already transformed by that time but he knew which he could forgive and which is beyond his forgiveness. I can't call Geet strong here.
Coming to Khushi she was little better etched than Geet as she always gave back to Arnav as strongly as she got and they did have Khushi win a lot of times. But the whole Shyam bringing was where Khushi's character was watered down - She was wrong to give leeway to that creep especially after seeing how he planned to kill her husband and Arnav was correct when he said - "Are you kidding Khushi, He can never change". That was my only grouse with Khushi but you have to agree where ever it was needed Khushi's character was the one that was watered down in IPK to make Arnav's more stronger.
That is why I can never call Gul Feminist. If she were feminist she would have shown her female characters strong - She always is fascinated with the male lead and that is why her male leads are better sketched when compared to female leads.
Sorry had problems with internet and this post it seems didn't get uploaded.
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If you really want feminist heroines I think you get them in our classics - Shakuntala, Sita of Ramayan and Drupadi of Mahabharat. Shakuntala refuses to go with Dushyant after he comes and pleads her to come back because he has refused to acknowledge Shakuntala as his wife when she came to him.
Sita of Ramayan knows why Rama had to give her up. Rama also lives like a life of hermit sleeping on ground and eating only once a day but when Rama comes back to ask Sita to be back as his wife on the throne, she says - 'Forgive me. I can't come back to you, no not after you yourself have given me up. That day when you gave me up, had I not been pregnant with your kids, I would have gone to my mother Earth. Now my responsibilities are all done and I wish to go away to my mother' and goes into earth. She doesn't come back to Rama even when she knows Rama in and out - because it was her decision to move on and she moved on. That is how Ramayan ends.
In Mahabharat, DharamRaja loses all his brothers one by one and also Drupadi in the game of dice.Drupadi is then dragged by hair to the court by Dushashana and she is insulted by Duryodhana who asks her to come sit in his lap as now she has been won. The first question she asks the people in the court when she is told that she has been lost as a wager in a game of dice is -"Did he(dharamraja) lose me before he lost himself or did he lose himself before he lost me". When she is asked what question is this Drupadi replies
- If he lost me before he lost himself then I was not asked my consent as here I am an individual and Dharamraja didn't have any justification to use me as a wager.
- If he lost me after he lost himself, then I am his wife and either way with him I am already lost so there is no point in making me as a wager.
So Drupadi questions this and no one can answer it and that is when the elders intervene and call a truce. But before leaving the court Drupadi tells Dusshasana and Duryodhana that she will leave her hair untied till one of her husband's avenge her insult by killing both of you and then she will wash her hair with the blood from their thighs(Because Duryodhana points to his thigh and tells her to sit) and only then will she tie her hair. In the end Bhima kills both of them and only then Drupadi satisfies her revenge.
Does this mean Drupadi doesn't know forgiveness.No she knows forgiveness. When her children are all killed by Ashwathama(Drona's son) while they were sleeping after the war ends, Drupadi lets Ashwathama go saying that she doesn't want another mother to bear the loss she is now bearing and anyway war is done with so there will be some losses on either side so I will bear with this loss. She forgives Ashwathama for his mother's sake.
Sorry lecture kuch zyaada hoga hai na. I had sanskrit as second language and I really think it was good that I was introduced to these literature classics when I was growing up because when I look back I felt people really respected women in ancient times much more than what the feminist of this world pretend to do. And any given day I feel the classics had better and stronger heroines than any of the new generation. My 2 cents on Feminism.
Su - just made a post for you - had not read your post here - anyways - i just wanted to remind you that SSW did not just cheat dilshad - he also cheated Shireen!!!
Deletewhen N was talking to Z she clearly said - both wives were unaware of the others existence!!
Sarada,
Delete1. When she comes to Charles, I think by the time she meets him she has already moved on and that's why she doesn't want to linger on. And it is simply not because she decides he has had punishment enough, she feels that is enough. She herself has moved on and the character now has no relevance in her life and that is why she leaves him with his boring wife and knows that there is someone else for her in this new life.
You don’t get my point at all. I read this book a long time back. I don’t think she had wanted to forgive him. I think she tracked him down...I am not very sure, thats how I rememberthe story. You are not watching QH, so I don’t expect you to understand Dilshad. Please read my reply to Mona in teh previous week’s page..the one that just finished.
Dilshad never moved on...will never moved on. Because she and Rashid were a couple...he cheated on her...he came back ...begged her to take him back...she forgave him...and he walked out on her again a year later...left her wondering, what went wrong. She NEVER moved on. That is why Asad was always wary of Rashid getting near Ammi. He knew his Ammi would never move on. She’d shut out Rashid from her life, but can never bring herself to hate me. When you have TRULY LOVED someone...you are willing to forgive a LOT.
What is love? The definition might be different for you and me.
2. Do you see Dilshad moving on. Do you feel she has had an happy life sleeping in the arms of the man she loves and having the support of the other person in raising her kids and facing her day to day problems. Dilshad is stuck with raising her kids all alone,fighting her day to day problems all alone where as Rashid after cheating for 7-8 yrs for the first time behind her back has gone back to his second wife and apparently without any justification.
Again you are not watching QH. So you don’t know the story at all. Rashid was not cheating behind her back for 7-8 years . It was 3 years. And he had come back repentant, asking her to take Ayan alonmg with him. And yes, he left ABRUPTLY one year later...which made Dilshad WONDER...
Yeah, it wouldn’t make sense at all if you are not watching the show seriously., which I feel none of the Geet fans will watch. I have no idea what this Gul did with Geet that has earned her so much negativity...I really don’t want to know either, because Geet was an experiment as far as I am concerned. It is not a better product than IPK, I try to refrain from discussing a show I have not watched.
And none of the Geet fans who cannot forgive Gul will understand the concept of forgiveness at all- whther it is a Khushi, Geet or Dilshad.
3. Geet I don't think forgave Dev till she knows that Dev is Maan's brother(some one correct me here I was watching this show on FF mode in between). Till that point I am fine. But then she suddenly forgives Dev because she thinks Maan would want his family happiness - See that is where I have problem of watering down Geet's character.
DeleteI watched two back to back epis of Geet reruns on Star Utsav...that episode clearly showed a Dev realising how Geet had found TRUE LOVE whereas the love for whom he ruined her life turned out to be JUST AN ILLUSION. I don’t know if he aopologised to her, but it was enough for me to see he repented. And no amount of apology is going to make it OK...what he did to Geet was unforgivanble, BUT, GOD FORGIVES, SO GEET FORGAVE.
I don’t know what issue she had with Maan..
But I can tell you this: I don’t care what an aera gaera on the road does, but I expect better understanding from my husband. I am the most forgiving when it comes to friends, enemies, strangers wronging me...when it comes to my husband hurting me even 1/10 of that...he really gets it from me. (Sometimes I feel I take out all my frustration on him...Poor guy!)
4. But the whole Shyam bringing was where Khushi's character was watered down - She was wrong to give leeway to that creep especially after seeing how he planned to kill her husband and Arnav was correct when he said - "Are you kidding Khushi, He can never change".
Ah! How many times?
If Arnav had a frozen brain, Khushi couldn’t have a confused brain? For barely two weeks?
and Arnav was correct when he said - "Are you kidding Khushi, He can never change".
OFCOURSE, he was right. That is why she APOLOGISED TO HIM FOR THAT ACTION she had taken...I bet you ffed that bit! (Not just you, many would have ffed those bits. )
Good girl, na! She apologised when she knew she had made a mistake. Such a shining example for the dumb hero to emulate! Even then, she had to teach him to say Happy B’day. :D
5. She always is fascinated with the male lead and that is why her male leads are better sketched when compared to female leads.
Ofcourse, GUL IS FASCINATED WITH THE male lead...I am fascinated too...What all weird specimens! But she does end up making the heroine and the audience fall in love with him.
And the STUCKUP male lead ALWAYS ends up kneeling before his lady love, even as she is filing her nails, yawning...as if his ‘apology’ of an apology’d make any difference.
The ball is entirely in my court, Jahanpanah...If I have decided to forgive you, IT IS ONLY BECAUSE IAM BETTER THAN YOU...(Though Gul is not mean like me. Her heroines smile and say. ‘oh! You shouldn’t have!’ :D
Opti, Sarada,
DeletePlease don't bombard me with geet here. I am writing a separate post fopr Geet below.
Mona, I am going out...I'll reply to you soon.
Su – in response to our conversation in the last post -
ReplyDeleteyou are a sweetheart and one of the most positive people I have ever met (virtually!) – but you my friend are doing exactly what Gul wants you to so – accept that it was ok to have cheated 2 women simultaneously – fathered children by both women and hid it from everybody – so sorry can’t forgive him for that – AND now all the attention is on how he was ‘trapped’ with no mention of how he cheated (by the way – shireen was very much his wife – he did not require a permission from wife 1 to do that – and if he used her as a mistress for years, fathered children and then walked back to wife 1 – he is a bigger SSW than I took him for!!!)
Finally - Dilshad is a disappointment to me (personally) – I have no problems with her forgiving him – that’s her choice – but her to go after her son and say – you misunderstood your dad like always???? Hello – she of all people should know what her son has gone through – this was one time she should have been mother and not the forgiving jilted saint!!
Mona,
DeleteI am very pro- Dilshad and Pro- Zoya. I will take both sides of the argument when it comes to all other characters, but with Zoya and Dilshad- I AGREE TOTALLY. If a woman does not want to move on, NO ONE CAN FORCE HER TO MOVE ON…and that gives none of us the right to judge her either. (That is what Asad does..he thinks Dilshad is smitten over Rashid and prefers to be blind when it comes to him. But that is not the truth. Zoya can see that. I can see that too.)It is her life, she decides. Today, I am going to judge Shireen standing on Dilshad’s side. So, I am starting with a rant on Shireen.
Shireeeennn….
Whois Shireen?
If Rashid is SSW, Shireen is Mrs. SSW.
This is the woman who took Rashid back without a question. He was offered to her on a platter and SHE TOOK HIM GREEDILY…without ever wondering what happened to his first wife...the woman who had sheltered her PRECIOUS AYAN for one WHOLEYEAR…and she has the nerve to tell,
“Ayan beta, aakhir sautela suatela hota hai”…WT! She does not even have the right to call him her son, after the way she sent him off with Rashid.
And does she ever wonder about what Dilshad is going through? Did she ever stop to ask her husband, or better go and find out for herself, how this other woman who was cheated by the same man she shamelessly took back is faring? NO. Shireen is lost in her own insecurity…she is scared Rashid might go back to Dilshad….Arrey, if you were so scared, why did u let him back in your life? “Rashid, aap humein chhodke nahi jayenge naa…”- Pitiable example of a woman. I say she deserves to be cheated on…and Ayan should be taken away from her…she rejected him once and he truly belongs to Dilshad.
RANT OVER.
I will not judge Shiren either because the poor thing does not have a brain…she is irritating at times, but she is an angel with her children and the way she let Rashid go to Dilshad…the first act of love by Shireen. For once, she stopped thinking about herself, and thought of Rashid’s pain…and let go.
2 other instances…1. When she told Raziya that Rashid has the right to worry about Asad and Najma, but the moment Raziya mentioned Dilshad, her face changed.
2. At the theatre, where Raziya exposed Rashid meeting Dilshad, she did not raise one word to Dilshad…she questioned only Rashid, broken hearted.
So, I don’t hate Shireen. But of the two, I prefer Dilshad…
Now coming to cheating on the women. CHEATING IS NOT OK. GUL IS NOT TELLING ME THAT CHEATING IS OK.
1. Rashid cheated on Dilshad for three years…his God took away the love of his life.
2. Rashid cheated on Shireen….his God bound him in a loveless marriage. (Rashid does not love Shireen…he is patient with her, pities her and probably feels bad hurting her in any way because he knows she is an innocent fool. Rashid remembered to gift Dilshad evenwhen they were not on talking terms…he simply forgot Shireen’s B’day…PROVES HE DOES NOT LOVE HER. That is because HE LOVES ONLY DILSHAD.
3. Shireen wronged Dilshad and her children, when she took Rashid back as he divorced his wife (this part again makes my blood boil against Shireen…)…her God punishes by her denying her true love.
Moral of the story: CHEATING IS NOT OK.
And there is NO BIGGER PUNISHMENT FOR RASHID AND SHIREEN OTHER THAN what God has pronounced…
So, Gul’s message is:
CHEATING IS NOT OK. YOU WILL PAY FOR IT. But at the end of it, you might receive forgiveness, based on good conduct during punishment . :D
Mona, if you are not still convinced (I don’t think you will be), do tell me what punishment is sufficient for Rashid after he has repented? Gul can deny him Dilshad forever, but that’d be being UNFAIR TO DILSHAD WHO HAS always borne the punishment for a crime she has not committed. Rashid is her one and only true love (one man woman, who happened to fall in love with a reformed cheat …he is not a repeated offender)…will she be denied that forever?
she of all people should know what her son has gone through – this was one time she should have been mother and not the forgiving jilted saint!!
DeleteHe, of all the people should know that his mother has better judgement than him and not disappointed her by turning Rashid over…if it was for arson, it was justifiable…accusing him of murder…when she knows THAT RASHID WOULD NEVER KILL ANYONE EVEN UNKNOWINGLY…remember the car convo…the minute she heard about the accident, SHE SMELLED A RAT…knew there was more to this than what Rashid had thought. Asad simply overlooked his mother’s judgement..took her to be a ‘forgiving jilted saint’ and INSULTED HER INTELLIGENCE and made her wionder, “Sheesh..What kind of an idiot did I raise?”
Mona,
Self righteous people like Asad are the most dangerous kind. They are well meaning…but they are stubborn…and they will not be flexible…it was exactly this kind of behavior that had landed Zoya in that Akram mess…she almost got married to him forcibly..AND HE STILL HAS NOT LEARNED HIS LESSON. SLAP! I say Dilshad should have slapped him ages ago…he’d have been a more humble and understanding person if she had done so. Now it is all upto poor Zoya to teach this rigid fool to BE OPEN TO OTHERS.
Su, Dia, Psarada (from the last post on MB)
ReplyDeleteOpti when I was writing this I was thinking – Opti should be doing this – she shall do justice while I can’t :) - now I see your post so am adding my two bits to it:
In defense of MB -:
I for one did not want a revenge track but once RK did what he did, am so glad it was revenge and not some stupid noble reason. So why did he get MB to do a HM, simple, he had to unnerve her. What he had not bargained for, was he himself losing control. I liked his giving in to temptation (of flashbacks) but as soon as he realised he was shaken, he had to become ruder (more brutal) - he had to prove to her that he was not affected - Moreover he had to prove to himself that he did not care!!
And if I may add RK (VD) is a good actor, loved the look of innocent boyish jaw drop stare right after his haughty command for a HM. Again his instant reaction to MB falling - really liked to tone modulation there, well done
So to the question - why was he melting? - that is actually very real - he did it all as an act, the being a good guy act - just as an act to try and fool MB - BUT months of living together, understanding her, laughing and crying with her did not go without leaving a mark. He could not have acted every minute and did have real moments too - hence the change was happening only he was (and is) in denial. He has fallen for her but his ego is saying 'no, its no such thing'
And that, I find natural (given the crazy filmy scenario) he was not stoned all those months. he in yesterday's epi was actually forced to admit that he alone had the right to hurt her, even if no one else but a simple fall was hurting her –
(Opti – he knows he loves MB and accepts it – no I don’t think so – I think the realization that she means something to him is creeping in and that is unnerving him – that is telling him he is susceptible to a falling ‘under the control’ of this thing called love - something he does not trust)
ps -have to add i like this subtle change - its so not like a someone whose brain froze and refused to melt even after holi, after he knew ODG was talking from her heart - sorry that was where I just could not forgive the CV, they killed ASR there :( poor guy )
Part II:
DeleteAs for MB - why is she having flashbacks - hello ladies, she loves the guy!! Yes, she has said she hates him but love is not a switch u can turn off in a bit - she is holding her head high and facing him - damn courageous!! Have u ever loved and lost in an blink - believe me - u don't start hating in a flash - u did not cheat - u were true to love - so no, u don't change in a day
MB was a romantic soft heart-ed simple girl with simple dreams (hence easy to tears - hence called glycerin) - but a city girl, so practical. She was sensible enough to think of marrying and settling with a guy she was friends with, comfortable with, not in love with - destiny intervened and she ended up with RK, grew to love him with the same passion she had hated him earlier, with all her heart - she lost it all - but for prides sake is standing tall! This girl who was a softie, sorted all out with families - now is stern even with her mother because she is sure of what she wants - to tell the guy she loved without ego, that she has not lost her pride and dignity (its not for a bet - its for what the bet means to her)
As for the story - did it digress and bring in the wedding for TRPs? - if it did - hats off to the CT - they did it flawlessly - thought about it and made the change well in advance - no sudden overnight changes - they closed all loops so someone like me who knew nothing of the promos did not even realize the story had gone off track!
Oh yes MB (the serial) has flaws (like no one from the sets is least bit effected that RK is behaving thus with his wife - they cant even recognize her!) but the serial is very true to its characters - and that's its strength!
PS - ASIDE - am i the only one who feels we Indians are big hypocrites - so almost backless sarees (bare up till the lower back) and with hair on the side is ok - but a open shoulder dress is not? (which actually does not even go all the way down!)
Mona,
DeleteI agree with you - I too think they got the wedding done to rake in the TRPs. At that time I ranted a lot as to why RK was always mentioning Madhu as 'char phere wali biwi' because I think the plan was always to do this - Make RK ditch Madhu as RK's revenge. So I agree with you - the story and the characters were really written good and even this mild digress of having the wedding in for TRPs hasn't really effected the story line.
I don't understand the whole concept of Madhu working under RK and the whole bet concept, can't connect to it so I really don't understand why Madhu has to do what RK is asking her to do - be a duplicate? Why? I think it would have been good if Madhu is away from RK - at least I would have done that if I were Madhu. Pick up my pieces and go on in life and be a little stronger before I come face to face with RK. But here I admire the twist thrown by the creatives - Madhu comes in front of RK not because she wants to but because her mother-in-law Radhaji wanted Madhu to be strong and show RK what he lost. So for this track even though I am not completely warmed up for it, I admire the way the track has been written - not too many loopholes and having a little bit of logic. But just wish the creatives tone down on Madhu humiliation part then it would work for me.
Psarada - actually as i see it - she is not working for RK but for the heroine of the movie (he had "borrowed her for the HM & the duplicate thing was coz everyone thought she had sent off the heroine)
DeleteAnd I for one like her working in the same area - under RKs nose - it kind of adds to the point - "you effect me so little that i can not only bare to but dare to face you every day!!!" (remember the shots where RK is romancing the heroine and MB is unaffected - for her the bet was not just - i can stand on my own feet but I can Stand in front of you on my own feet! ((PLUS most importantly - without the meetings - story aagay kaisay badhaygi - how will the story proceed?)
as for MBs humiliation - she was asked to wear a dress and shoot - all he said to her was meant for her only - no one else knows what it means to her to have him close - Plus - he did not do what would have pained her - stopped int the nick of time - Just like earlier, even then i gould not get what humiliation was there in serving coconut prasad to the team (the point is - the way the orders are delivered are humiliating - and that is only for her to hear) - am not defending him - just trying to understand the characters
Mona,
DeleteHe he...I beg to differ.
I am sorry ASR’s frozen brain killed him for you.
I think all of us have amnesia when it comes to ASR’s frozen brain. Please remember he had not a mere doubt...HE HAD PROOF- IN FRONT OF HIS EYES...He had seen her hug and tell Shyam to leave HIS WIFE FOR HER...UNDENIABLE PROOF OF AN AFFAIR..Like Dilshad had with Rashid...The difference is, PROOF OF HIS INFIDELITY WAS there for the whole world to see- Ayan.
Poor ASR’s proof had been there only FOR HIS EYES AND EARS. But he had seen it with HIS EYES THAT SHE WAS HAVING AN AFFAIR. So, if you think cheating does not warrant forgiveness, and call Dilshad a forgiving fool, you should be happy ASR decided to IGNORE HIS GUT FEELING(unlike Dilshad), and GO WITH WHAT HE SAW..(which is what Asad has done)..a woman who cheated on him, TWO-TIMED HIM, did not deserve forgiveness.
Yes, she confessed her feelings during holi...but SHE NEVER SAID SHE HAD THOSE FEELINGS ONLY FOR HIM. Much before she confessed her feelings for him, she had the SAME FEELINGS FOR A MARRIED MAN AND HAD HUGGED HIM AND DEMANDED HIM TO LEAVE HIS CRIPPLED WIFE. For three years, Rashid had loved TWO WOMEN. Khushi had loved TWO MEN...ASR did not feel he should forgive her, just because she had feelings for him too. Because SHE HAD ATTEMPTED TO BREAK ANOTHER WOMAN’S MARRIAGE.
MY HERO!
Now coming to RK....DOES RK EVER THINK OF ANYONE BUT HIMSELF? ASR refused to listen to his heart, because Khushi HAD WRONGED ANOTHER WOMAN, his own sister.
RK is plain SELF CENTERED. He does not care for his mother (until recently)or ANYONE IN THE WORLD. It is OK to be that within a limit...after a point he really DOES NOT DESERVE ANY WOMAN at all, for the conceited man he is. His taunts are only for HER EARS?
If that were so, he could have quietly dropped her off in the chawl...not make a SCENE OF THINGS. Madhu could have burned in her own private hell...what was the need for a public humiliation? And that hair dressing thing...EVERYONE on the sets know that Madhu was RK’s wife...so, that act of humiliating her through her boss...it is PATHETIC. And he saw Madhu was being troubled by the media. Does it occur to his supersized NONFROZEN, EGOTISTIC brain that Madhu coming out of his vanity...WHEN SHE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE...casts BIG ASPERSIONS on her character?
And I agree he has this ‘cute’ thing about refusing to accept his feelings. When is RK GOING TO STOP THINKING ABOUT HIMSELF and start thinking what the woman who LOVES HIM is going through? Is that going to happen ever? So, even when he starts accepting his feelings and goes after her, IT IS ABOUT HIM...I, me, myself...I was humiliated...I have to teach her a lesson... I have feelings..I have accepted...I love the woman...I need her to love me back...I will seek her forgiveness to get her to love ME back...DOES HE EVER THINK ABOUT HER? Does he have RESPECT for the girl who gave him his mother back? Shouldn’t THAT at least make him tone down his taunts, when he KNOWS this simple girl ACTUALLY LOVES HIM.
Instead of taking advantage of HER FEELINGS to hurt her, shouldn’t he be THRILLED that she actually loved him truly..when that has been pointed out to him over and over again? Is this the same guy who said he trusts Madhu, because he knows she will not backstab him? DID HE NOT BACKSTAB HER? For me, this is the most deplorable thing about this love story...it is the worst a man can STOOP DOWN TO.
I agree. He does not have a FROZEN brain. Sadly, that super brain has place ONLY FOR HIMSELF.
And even when he starts accepting his feelings, it is ONLY FOR HIMSELF- for his peace of mind. NOT FOR THE GIRL. If GH knows a woman’s mind, he will make RK let Madhu go once....much later...to make up for this utterly brainless track. (the storywriter’s brainlessness!) Otherwise this love story is all about RK, RK and RK. And by then everyone would have forgotten his misbehaviour like the terrace scene was forgotten.
And coming to Madhu... HE VIOLATED HER TRUST , for God’s sake.
DeleteHe did not love another woman, but that is only because HE IS INCAPABLE OF LOVING ANY WOMAN AT ALL. So, if you tell me she has all the right to not get over him still....she is not even making an ATTEMPT TO MOVE ON.
Yes. They should be on the same frame, but they can do it easily by making her work for the director or an equally popular male hero...who is neutral to RK- Madhu equation. Not this bitchy heroine who gives a SLY smile when RK whispers his plans to get Madhu in to his Vanity.
I agree with Mona about Madhu working in the same sets as RK. She had taken up the job before she came to know that RK was working there. Initially she wanted to quit since she could not bear to be in the same place as him. It is not like she was seeking him out and working under RK to prove a point. If she had quit, it would only prove that she let him have that power on her to run her life. She is out to prove that he does not. As Mona eloquently puts it she not only 'bears but dares to face him.' Of course it is one thing to make such bravado statement but quite another to actually practice it especially if the opponent is playing dirty as we are seeing RK do now. There is bound to be hurt on both sides as there is enough fire generated by both of them to scath them both.
DeleteMona,
DeleteI don't agree that RK did not know he loved/loves MB. He knows it,has resigned to it but is not willing to allow himself to surrender to it. As I see it, although he started on this revenge path, somewhere down the line he did fall in love with the woman and had accepted it. What he could not accept was that she meant so much to him that he was no longer in control of himself. To me the turning point was Ballu's attack. He nearly lost her there and it hit home just how much loving her really meant. He wanted to love her and also be in control which wasn't happening. So he has taken cover of this revenge theory to banish her from his life. It is the only way I can reconcile the last four months with the current track. If it was pure revenge where he had unknowingly fallen in love with her and is realising it only now, many things are unexplained.
Su,
DeleteIf you hated RK so much, why were you so thrilled about this track when Mona and I were having reservations about it? Why did you want it to be a purely revenge track, a dark love story which GH could not explore in IPK?
As far as I am concerned, as long as I can find some reason for RK's behaviour, even if they do not justify his actions, I will continue to watch the show and Rishabala as a pair are really growing on me. After all I did stick to IPK till the end because of my love for the jodi and not because of the way ASR's character was developed.
Coming to ASR, you have defended his brainlessness endlessly but I am still not convinced. What is this proof he saw? Shyam hugging his girl at the terrace and Khushi angrily asking Shyam to leave his wife if he so loved her. Granted the scene was so powerful it may have escaped his attention that the girl was trying to get away from his clutches and not really enjoying the hug. I fully understand his swift action of marrying Khushi to put a stop to what he thought would lead to the destruction of his sister's marriage. The story was well portrayed for the first one month up until the holi scene. Arnav was torn between his love for the woman and the hate for what he considered to be her actions.
What did not sit well with me is his failure to wonder whether he could have been wrong in his judgment even after witnessing so many things which were going against his presumption of Khushi's guilt. First, he was repeated seeing how much it hurt Khushi that her family couldn't accept her hushed marriage to a perfectly eligible bachelor. How would they have accepted her eloping with a married (or a divorced) man, especially if he was the brother-in-law of her sister? The woman adored her sister and was willing to marry him solely to ensure her happiness. Now if she can go to such great lengths for Payal, is it not foolish to believe that she was all set to ruin her life? Would Payal's life in her sasural be peaceful after Khushi succeeds in running away with Shyam? Would Khushi risk that? Not once did ASR dwell on this aspect in all those months he was married to her. He accepts that Khushi loves her family dearly and would do anything for them and yet he also was ready to believe that she would betray not only his sister but her own by running away with her brother-in-law and jeaopardising her marriage. That is why most of us keep referring to his frozen brain.
Second, if she was really having an affair with Shyam, why was she repeatedly asking him the reason for their sudden secret marriage and was going through great lengths to get it out from him? Would Shyam not have told her that Arnav had found out about them? If anything she should act more guilty rather than righteous.
Third, if she was so characterless that she was two timing both him and Shyam, claiming to love them both, shouldn't he be more worried to leave her in the same house as Shyam where both of them are thrown in each other's company? He is not there 24 hours of the day to supervise them. His family has no clue of what he believes to be the state of affairs between Khushi and Shyam and his sister seems to be repeatedly throwing the two in each other's company by sending them out for getting medicines or dropping Khushi off at her house. Isn't it dangerous to keep this secret from the entire family? Yes, Anjali is weak hearted by Nani is strong. He could have alerted her so that she keeps Khushi away from Shyam and monitor their activities so that Anjali's marriage is safe.
The most unforgivable act was his refusal to believe her even after she told him the entire truth after the suicide attempt. All that she said matched up with her strange behaviour in the past and yet he refused to belief her. He stuck to that terrace scene and miraculously 'trusted' her without proofs after the kidnapping. In fact I felt it was poetic justice that he got kidnapped and thrashed around for not believing Khushi.
Su - will read through your mails in a bit - but just wanted to clarify:
Delete- Me - i was a huge supporter of ASR - when everyone was bashing him for being cruel - i am (and Sandy i think) were the ones saying - no wait, he had a reason - BUT my point was - that after months of living together - the CVs did not show small changes in him - the GH episodes, the holi, the HR - there should have been some softening moments everywhere - where he starts doubting his only hatred (at least questioning it and acting on it) i would have been ok if even then he did what he did but his characterization was very jerky - he would have fits of movement and then no change - RK has had steady change
AS for MBs humiliation - oh yes - MU ho gaya - of course he violated her - i was talking about the continued little little things that are happening that everyone is up in arms about - like ASR whatever he says to her is for her only (though i do know that that is not an excuse!)
Opti - hugs - i knew you would say it better - yes i too was trying to say that he is conscious of that love but he wants to, has to block it out - after all i dont believe in this "oh i love him/her but am not aware of it" i dont think people are blind but yes i do think they are egoistic and accepting something that could they have perceived as not worth being actually all worthy - is not easy!
(BTW - attended a session yesterday where i found out that perceptions actually only effect 5% of the brain and logic is 95% - unfortunately we spend that logic DEFENDING the perception and not actually using logic to come to a conclusion!)
OPti,
DeleteI am writing my reply in a separate post below.
Geet was angry with Maan?
ReplyDeleteLet me see. I have not watched the show. Was this the scenario?
Geet wanted to forgive Dev because he was Maan’s bro...she wanted Maan not to have issues withhis bro. So, she forgave him. And maan Questioned it...he wanted justice for her...and she said, ‘please respect my decision... I am DOING THIS FOR YOU...ALLOW ME TO SHOW MY LOVE FOR YOU< BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT IS BETTER FOR YOU>>>You cannot live a cloisterd life with just me...your family is important too. Let me make this right for you, BECAUSE I AM THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN MAKE IT RIGHT FOR YOU, seeing your equally stupid bro has repented. He does not hurt me, because I don’t love him. But your need for revenge hurts me...HAVE YOU NOT LEARNED ANYTHING AT ALL FROM ME? Are we back to square one...sigh...no wonder Dilshaad aunty slapped your soul brother Asad Ahmed Khan!
He hje.. I better stop before you all throw saucepans at your screen...
But believe me, If I were in Geet's place...I'd have probably done the same too...provided I was convinced I loved this Maan fellow enough to do that! (If I was already not in jail for having murdered Dev before I met his sweet, stupid bro!)
But then, I did not watch the show, so I don't know the torment she was put through.
Su,
DeleteThe problem with Geet is that if you see the serial from first - almost for a year or so it is about how Geet fights all and sundry and her problems but she tries to keep her baby(she gets pregnant due to Dev). She was ordered to abort the baby but she fights against it and she almost dies. The family thinks that it is better to kill and bury off Geet so that the stigma she has brought upon us is washed off when it is in fact the family who forces the marriage on her and she is married with all rituals in the presence of family.
Then Geet fights with the family and comes to Delhi. Her plan originally is to track her husband as she knows he is in Canada - the track was introduced but then Geet gets job in Maan's office and that was left open ended and also because Maan-Geet chemistry was becoming hit so this was left completely out of the story.She fights for her rights with Maan and Maan is not a stuck up arrogant person like Arnav. He is one of those persons who fights for the right thing. Geet gives in the attraction she feels for Maan and after a very long time(I think around 5-6 months serial time) both confess. Geet does tell her history with Dev(doesn't mention the name I think) but tells him what all happened with her. When Maan tries to marry Geet during the engagement I think she comes to see Dev and comes running to tell Maan that she has met Dev but then comes to know Dev is Maan's younger brother. Geet goes away not knowing what to do - Maan has an accident going crazy searching for Geet and I think he is critical or so. Geet comes to know and comes back. I think Dev is the one who tells Maan that he is the one who duped Geet but I don't think he asks forgiveness or so. He is just staying in the house because his wife wants the property. See after the disclosure I don't see Geet coming to Maan to discuss anything - Forgiveness or not I would have liked to see both discussing what to do next. Maan doesn't forgive Dev but Geet goes ahead and makes everyone forgive Dev including his Dadi. I think there was an awesome dialogue of GC here when Dev asks why doesn't he forgive him. He says - If Geet can forgo her self respect and forgive you, it doesn't necessarily mean I should also forgive you. Then you have Geet moving away. What I never saw in Geet was Dev doing something really good to earn the forgiveness and What I never saw in Geet was her turmoil at whether she should really forgive the person who ruined her life. Either the track was really jumped ahead or they really didn't know how to get the forgiveness really written in the script and I felt Geet was ridiculous when she leaves Maan after the Dev fiasco. All along I felt Maan was right. Had Dev really showed some spine and did something to earn the forgiveness and had Geet really shown the turmoil to forgive/not forgive Dev the track would have been better. I completely felt cheated at that point after rooting for the heroine till then.
With MB also that is the problem I am having. I am rooting for Madhu but the way the writers make Madhu weak and do things at RK's bidding is seriously putting me off. I agree love is not a switch that you turn off/on as you want but why the writers want to put Madhu and RK in the same frame. Why can't they show Madhu doing something else in her life and RK and Madhu crossing their paths once in a week or so.Both can have memories of each other and that should be enough for the TRP audience wanting the romance but I can't accept the way the writers are taking Madhu's character. I can't accept this 3 day bet of Madhu/RK and RK playing tricks and games to humiliate Madhu further. But maybe here RK is sketched like that - like Opti says he has the 'I am the God/maker/breaker complex' but I can't warm up to RK or Madhu.
Su,
DeleteI am not against forgiveness but against the way they show it. Here is something I wrote on the Geet forum before the forgiveness track started. You can see from this that I was one of the few who felt Geet forgiving Dev was a good thing for Maaneet but the way they portrayed it left many of us disgusted.
Here is the post titled Indifference and forgiveness versus hatred and anger.
"Indifference speaks louder than anger" is a music track by Goonies Never Say Die from the album No words to voice our hopes and fear. How true it is.
They say indifference is more dangerous than anger and hatred because when one is angry there is still the acknowledgement of the person or persons existence but with indifference one neither recognises nor cares if his/her adversary exists or not, as he/she does not hold any value to him/her. As long you hold on to the feelings that someone else's actions/words has evoked, you end up hurting yourself. Once you let go, you are free.
At present, Geet is indifferent to Dev. He does not exist for her. Dev's pseudo guilt is, therefore, not assuaged and that is why he is an unhappy soul.
Now we hear that Geet might forgive Dev. We don't know if this is true and if it is, the circumstances under which she forgives or what this forgiveness entails but I thought I'll address some of the allegations levied against Geet for her purported intent to forgive Dev .
1. Fallacy: Geet forgiving Dev is unthinkable because it would mean a victory for him.
Fact:
"Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde
From what I have seen of Dev, the guy loves to wallow in pseudo guilt and self flagellation. As long as Geet and Maan do not accept his remorse, he has a reason to keep crying to Dadi that he has wronged and his bro and his bhabhi can never forgive him. If Geet forgives him, he loses that reason. I think without a 'whip' to hit himself, he will feel lost.
2. Fallacy: Geet's forgiveness would portray her as a weak character.
Fact:
"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong."- Mahatma Gandhi
Geet is a strong woman and her strength would only increase with this forgiveness.
3. Fallacy: Geet's forgiveness would mean that she has forgotten everything done to her by Dev.
Fact:
"The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget." - Thomas S. Szasz, a Hungarian psychiatrist.
Just because Geet forgives Dev does not mean she has forgotten what he did. She will, therefore, never accept him. Forgiving him would only help her remove the bitterness of hatred in her soul.
We do not know whether Dev is really repentant or just pretending to be so. If he is only pretending, then he can always plan to harm Maaneet in the present or future. Since Geet does not know for sure whether Dev's remorse is genuine, it would be better if she always remains vigilant where he is concerned, even if she has forgiven him.
Granting Dev forgiveness does not mean he should escape from law. Here Dev has gone against the law and has been charged of a heinous crime. He is still out only on bail and has not been totally acquitted (at least that is my understanding). Let law take its own course.
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As I said there, Dev should have got his punishment from the law (irrespective of whether he was forgiven by Geet or not) for he had broken the law. That part was conveniently skipped and instead we saw Maaneet playing cupid for him and Geet's cousin sister. That was a bit too hard to digest and Gul lost most of her faithful followers after that big blunder.
Opti,
DeleteFor me Geet was lost when Geet and Maan have the fight over forgiving Dev and Geet goes away from Maan and Maan tries to get Geet back in his life. Helloo ? Maan was not wrong here. It was Geet who was wrong and then Geet going away to some cousin's place and Maan becoming a driver were all too much for me to digest. There was a complete character wash out for Geet and Maan after the Dev forgiving track was brought in. I think by that time IPK started for 4Lions and the tracks in Geet were either not thought out properly or the creatives simply were writing something that came up to their mind.
I never knew that Geet was 4Lions show before I started IPK. I watched Geet because of DD in the show as I was on/off DMG bandwagon and DD was in DMG. The torture that Geet goes through the hands of her family for no fault of hers made me root for her - I was on/off till Maan and Geet meet in Delhi and then lost the story track for some reason. Once I got hooked on to IPK, I came to know Geet was this PH's show and I went back and started watching from the point I left off. Agree there were not too many layers to either Geet or Maan and after 2-3 months of their meeting you pretty much know what each think of other and the attraction was there. After that it was M&B and the part that Geet was pregnant was conveniently forgotten and I don't think I ever saw Geet with baby bump for a long time. Dev was brought in and the problem I had with Dev's forgiveness was that it was not earned. He knew his wife was out there to kill Geet - He knew his wife was dangerous to Geet and Maan but he didn't do anything to either stop her or either acknowledge his faults. All he did was to crib to Dadi. I don't think he returns the money back to Geet for which he dupes her. So why the forgiveness. And there were lot of tracks that I think Gul opened and didn't close at all in this show. Like she shows Dev's wife's brother marrying Annie(Maan and Dev's sister) and exploiting her - why? no reason. I don't think there was closure to their story. See lot of such stupid tracks really put the people off and I for one couldn't see Maan doing a driver part to convince Geet. In all the serial completely lost it for me when they got this Dev forgiveness track because I think the marriage + Dev forgiveness + Annie's track all were tied up during the same time and neither interested me. And in the end Dev ends up marrying Geet's cousin which again was very weird because that guy had a wife who was in coma(that loop was never closed - whether nayantara died or was in coma), was trying to get his ex college friend to take him back in(I think for some time there was Meera for Dev Isn't it) and then he ends up marrying Geet's cousin. What the hell was that.
I was looking for a story where the girl fights for her lost dignity and tries to get the culprit to face punishment. Yaha toh there was nothing like that and I feel completely cheated with serial - the premise, the build up and the story were entirely disjoint from one another. The same thing happened in IPK even though IPK was really nice till hate marriage and Holi. I was expecting hard core redemption, remarriage and blast from past and nothing that was promised was delivered here too. See that is why it is little hard for me to appreciate Gul as she definitely loses interest once she starts a new show. With IPK it was bearable because of BS-SI chemistry and I think Geet also in the end ran solely on DD-GC chemistry. In that sense Gul is lucky that she is stuck with good actors who can deliver even when the script is poor. So I definitely give credit for her for casting the right people for her shows but beyond that it was more of the hard work of the cast that got the shows recognition and GC, DD, BS, SI are popular because of their hardwork and not necessarily due to them featuring in Gul's shows.
Sarada,
DeleteFully agree with everything you said. Geet started off on an interesting storyline. I startedn watching the show only from the Delhi track and found DD-GC chemistry sizzling. I liked that plot of a man accepting a woman with another's child and so wished that they had not conveniently killed of the baby which brought them together. Anyway, but for the chem between the leads, the story paled into insignificance. It is sad because it had so much potential.
You are right about the unclosed loops. Vicky, the third brother of Maan and Dev, whom Maan was supposed to be in search of when he stumbled on Geet in Hoshiarpur, never made an appearance till the end. Instead we got a full track on a non-existent sister. Sameera who was supposed to have been Maan's love interest before he met Geet and who was responsible for Maan's anti-social behaviour never made an appearance nor did they deal with this through some conversations between the leads. Considering that she was responsible for Maan turning out the way he did, I felt it was important to close that loop too. Maan used to have an attic which had lots of secrets from his past (yes, he too had a dark past which was never explored though hinted at. His parents died under mysterious circumstances) The attic itself went missing as did Maan's original house, all without any explanation. The Amritsar family was clearly an after thought since they never figured anytime during Geet's chaotic life. Geet's parents and her cousins from Hoshiarpur were conveneintly forgotten. They could have brought them back to continue the story. If the actors were not there they could have replaced them. After all they did replace Dev and Dadima. The reason often given is that Geet never had continuity in its script writers but I find that excuse silly. So what if it is not the same set of writers. the ones who come in should know what was shown in the past and weave the story into the overall canvass, not start off on a tangent with a new plot which makes no sense to the avid viewer.
And yes, the PH did well in casting good looking and talented actors who could carry off the shows (Geet and IPK) on their shoulders but their plots had so many holes it is difficult to count. Many of the long lasting (even if they may be boring) shows have been able to stay this long because they systematically close the loops at some point. That is why they manage to stay so long. Hope the PH learns this lesson.
continuing my bak bak here :D
ReplyDeleteDia, i will not at all compare Barun's quitting to Sushant's. Ekta takes care of her folks. Abhishek Kapoor is her cousin i think. Even before i remember Hiten and other Balaji stars like Prachi were promoted by her itself once she came to know of their BW aspirations. There are many many things i do not like about her, but at least she makes sure those who are loyal to her get a good deal.
I heard PV female lead Ankita is taking a 2-month off, she was thinking of quitting, but EK convinced her to stay back and gave her 2-month off as she was exhausted. I sometimes feel if 4Lions had given some time off for Barun, he too would have come back. Anyway, it was decided IPK will end in Feb, so he might have come back after a 15-20 days break. He was free after he came back from his UK trip until now, i think his new film starts in April. I feel he was truly exhausted. If we see his pics now and of the time frame of nov, its very obvious he had lost lot of weight and really looked sick.
Saw the post of meet-greet by UK SP ppl and in that they have mentioned that Barun left for his health conditions. What exactly will this achieve now, Barun's name is spoilt forever. Many IPK fans will always associate him with its closure. I agree there is a bit of his fault there, but if handled well, things could have been lot better and i place more onus on channel and PH(in that order for the fiasco actually).
I more than ever feel Barun should have left in February, more than others it would have done good for him. I remember in Gul's intv he said everyone convinced me and i too was earning money, but the fact is that "i too was earning money" was remembered and the "everyone convinced" part was easily forgotten. The fact is that none from that everyone stood up for him, one leaked his quitting info very unprofessionally and another put a disclaimer that was very unethical.
He definitely does not have proper guidance. Whoever is in that "everyone" who convinced him to stay back in Feb or whoever from "those ppl" who would told him it is okay to say "break" instead of "quit" from no angle seem as his well-wishers for me.
I sincerely hope, Barun has learnt his lessons. I feel now he should take the risk of trying out in BW with full focus. As of now i feel TV can wait, as it is nothing exciting is happening for male leads in the TV.
Regarding his PR ppl recycling his old intvs by adding few new things, i cannot blame them. Barun is doing nothing now, he is dubbing and is participating in workshops for his second show. I too feel he should just concentrate on his work, its okay if he stays off the limelight for some time until he does not have anything consistent to offer. But if they are serious about him being in limelight and giving out intvs then its better he give some new intvs.
sorry meant to say "concrete to offer" :D
DeleteAgree with you Nandini. That is what I have written in my last week's post. Barun cannot acknowledge the role of IPK and Arnav in his career without he opening the pandora's box again. He has been blamed enough for the serial closure and if he comes back and says Arnav/IPK was the serial closest to my heart he will be termed a hypocrite so I think it is better to let things be for few more months.
DeleteWith Ekta that is what I admire in her. She backs her loyalists be in BW or other things and she works around their schedules. She looks for them and they are in turn loyal to her and praise her. That is the difference between Barun not praising IPK and Sushant/SRK praising their mentors. For Sushant/SRK the mentors helped in their breaks and were helpful but for Barun the channel and the PH did nothing but created more hurdles in his part. His reputation was tarnished and he was painted black before everyone and this while the PH and the channel both trying to clear themselves of the blame game.
Ram Kapoor had 2 movie releases last year and seems like he has 3-4 movies set for release this year. BALH goes on with Ram working on his movies in parallel. Nope I don't see any disclaimer there. Because the creative team has strong parallel tracks. Similarly Ankita it seems is a big tantrum queen and has been wanting to quit PR for a long time but she is the face of PR and so Ekta worked with her and gave her 2 months off and the track is now worked wherein Archana will be in coma.
Do you seriously think had the PH and the channel wanted, they couldn't have worked with Barun taking off for some time and have closure on parallel tracks when he is off. Everyone in the PH and the channel knew this show was going off-air in Feb. It was just a matter of 2 months max. They could have given Barun off for 1 month also(show him going to America) and they could have worked on other stuff if the intention was there to continue the show without murdering the story. The death of ASR and Khushi moving in life with the murderer was IMO the most pathetic track the creatives have thought about.
Cont post 2
DeleteThat is my main grouse with the channel and the PH. The channel went ahead and said Barun is leaving for bollywood and has 3 movie offers but where are the offers. I see him signing only one movie. Now they come back and say he left for health reasons. First of all running the disclaimer itself was bad and distasteful but couldn't they have said - barun left due to health reasons, at least his reputation would not have been this tarnished.
And the PH - why leak the quitting info to a journalist who is the number 1 basher of Barun and who till now is not satisfied with Barun bashing that happened and is still raking up those old things when interviewing Viraf. Why not work with the actor and work around the story while having the rest of the characters in. And now come back with different Koffee interviews and tell how much you have adjusted for someone and how much you have lost. Agree with what you have lost but at the same time acknowledge that you messed up.
As far as I see it neither the channel nor the PH did any favors on Barun that he should drop everything if they call(like SRK does when Yash Raj calls him up for movie). Both did everything they could to make sure Barun is blamed the most for the fiasco and tried to get away. They didn't even think in humanitarian terms to make sure Barun doesn't get blamed. Even in other industries when someone critical goes away due to personal reasons, the companies try to accommodate him for good will.
In Cisco, even if you are being laid off for bad performance in the team you are given a chance for 2-3 months to look for another job opening in the same company which fits your skill level. Why do they need to do that - when there are so many qualified people they can hire. Simple because it generates good will in the employees for their employer and creates a loyalty and a brand value.
Had the channel and the PH worked in a little more humane way with Barun during this fiasco, I would have had more respect for both of them. The only reason I stuck up to barun is because guy is taking everything on him without he blaming or passing the buck. It takes a lot of integrity to do that and I frankly admire that quality in Barun. It looks foolish to me sometimes because Barun could have given a simple statement saying - I was not happy with the character of ASR after remarriage, worked with creatives but didn't like the way they were taking it forward so I decided to quit and could have blamed the PH too. But he didn't say anything and that takes lot of courage to do it. But I really hope Barun wises up after this fiasco. His career can't take another fiasco like this.
Okay, guys ... am calling in blog owner privileges and calling a halt to the blame game here.
DeleteEVERYONE was at fault, whether you like it or not ... Barun, Gul, Star Plus and MOST OF ALL, the hysterical fans with their "No Barun, No IPKKND' demand ... if there had been no hysteria about Barun leaving and the Arhi story getting ruined, neither would Barun have been defamed and criticised so badly, nor would Gul. SO the biggest message to my mind is to the fans ... enjoy a show, criticise it, find the flaws - all that helps to keep the makers on their toes and improve their product ...
BUT DON'T TRY TO PLAY GOD WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES ... if an actor wants to leave a show, as a viewer, your right is limited to switching off the channel and watching something else in protest ... calls to hold him back, name-calling the producers and the channel, and even the actor for wanting to leave ... abusing the producer, the actor with personal abuses ... name-calling the poor switchboard operators, the actor who was to step into the show as a replacement - when you do all that, you put yourself in the wrong and nothing justifies that.
So the biggest lesson is to the fans who tried to retain Barun when he didn't WANT to be retained ... it caused the fans to split into two camps, for and against ... the blame game goes on till date ... and the saddest is that fans of both actors are busy pulling down the other to show that their favorite is superior. And the good memories of the show are getting lost.
I was SHOCKED to hear that Barun fans were criticising Sanaya for getting upset about doing intimate scenes with BD's ... the comments were, if she can pose in a short dress, why should she get upset about doing a scene with a stranger ... such malicious comments show how low some people can go when their love for a celebrity turns blind. And most of the Barun bashing comes from Barun lovers, or ASR lovers, who feel let down that Barun put his BW dreams ahead of IPK ... it is their disappointment with BS surfacing in the blame game. And this pushes the Barun fans to defend him, come what may, even for the mistakes he did make. Just get out of it and move on ...
Think of the POSITIVES of IPKKND ...
DeleteWe got a show we loved for a year and a half ... which touched us all, and brought so many of us together.
We saw an excellent actor on screen ... if I say Sanaya has spoiled me for other heroines on telly, I can say the same for Barun - other TV actors are going to find it difficult to match his level of acting. I hope he finds success in his chosen field, wherever he goes.
Hopefully Gul will learn from her mistakes - seems she already is ... QH is more balanced as of now, the secrets are being spilled slowly, one by one and the love story is being kept slow paced and not allowed to take over the show, other characters are getting their space ... as of now.
Star Plus has been well served for their two unfair moves - one, the ticker, second, pulling off the show at such short notice - the replacement show as well as two others have tanked badly ... and they are scrambling to clear the mess. They are a huge channel, they're not going to change easily, but I am glad that they did get some flak for what they did.
All the other actors have benefitted and their talent has been recognised ... almost all are back on screen or are in talks for new shows. Makes me happy - IPKKND was mainly Arhi, true - but the other characters were all very important and they all made the show what it was. Contrary to what many BS fans claim, the show was NOT just Barun.
Last and most important for me ... Sanaya has finally gotten the recognition she deserves ... she has proved herself in spades. The fact that she is being actively wooed by major channels, the fact that SP is willing to bring her back so soon, when they never repeat heroines, the fact that her fan base has actually grown post IPK, and she is recognised by each and every actor of IPK, gives me huge satisfaction. Vindicates the faith I had in her as an actress when she first caught my eye as a weepy timid girl in MJHT, a type of character I dislike ... yet she made me love.
Now I am calling a halt to ALL negative posts about IPK ... if you have something positive to post, go ahead ... but I will trash all negative comments, whether bashing Gul, SP or Barun. I want this blog to remain a positive place. We've vented enough ... let's move on. And let's remember IPKKND happily.
*APPLAUSE* and *huggggggssssss*, Dia!
DeleteSorry Dia, if i went overboard in venting, really sorryyyy, thanks for reigning me in, i really do not want to be responsible for turning this wonderful blog space into another IF, so sorry again :)
DeleteI agree all involved were at fault and hope they learn.
I am shocked to hear the remarks you are mentioning made of Sanaya's reluctance to do intimate scenes with a BD, i think it is the most immature and insensitive remark people can make, cant even imagine where it is coming from(was it on IF kya, i usually visit only BS movie thread regularly of late)I think people should think before they speak. Sad but true most of BS fans are like that only, we have all seen how they harass people and i have very few expectations from them in future that they will stop meddling in other people's(and Barun's) lives.
What you said about people who have worked in IPK, both cast and crew getting their recognition, i second that. About Sanaya, me too very happy, she deserves every bit of it i feel :)
Again, really sorry haan for spoiling the blog atmosphere, will stay out of venting, like you said no use, better to let go :)
Nan *huggsss* No problem, yaar ... The atmosphere on the IPK forum is bad enough, I don't want it spilling over here. Yes, the remark I speak of was on IF, it was on one of the Sanaya appreciation threads, when the Wassup segment with her pics was released. That was just after the Gul interview - apparently some BS fans perceived Sanaya's complaints about BD's as being directed against Barun's absence ... some of these girls are so sensitive and insecure - anything anyone says is perceived as criticism of their idol. And how do they defend him? By bashing the person making the remarks, even if it goes against all norms of decency, and even common sense. Not to mention ignoring the fact that BS and SI are best of friends - she says what she pleases to him, and he to her.
DeleteWorse is that apparently some BS fans are bashing Gautam Rode on the SP website - why? Because he has dared to come on SP in a love story ... apparently only BS has that right. These girls don't realise how much harm they're doing to Barun's image ... or what a laughing stock they make of themselves.
Forget it ... no point dwelling on such people. If they haven't learned yet, they will never learn. I never go into BS threads these days, there is usually too much drool there for my taste :)))
But I go into many Sanaya threads - the Sanaya New Shows thread is having a party after the news of her new offers came out - almost everybody in the telly industry has been touted as a possible lead for her :)))
Sanaya fans have moved on from the debacle of IPKKND - possibly easier because we have been getting regular doses of Sanaya since the show ended ... so her threads are far more positive and cheerful. And now of course, the news of her offers - everyone is very upbeat now!
Dia, *huggss back*, i totally get your point :)
DeleteRegarding those remarks and spamming, really immature, i somehow feel these are not barun but asr and those so-called sarun fans, what more can we expect from such ppl. Poor Gautam, they have not spared anyone, its better not to talk about them at all.
I go to the Barun's movie thread as i get all info related to Barun at one place itself, i am not comfortable going to many of the MF threads for same reasons mentioned by you :) and ya i went through the shortlisting of male leads for Sanaya, i was smiling, some of the comments were really sweet actually :)
am hoping the best for both Sanaya and Barun, only that will help ppl to move forward and get rid of all these bitterness i feel :)
Anyone watching Pyaar ka dard... here.. caught up with some scenes as was waiting for Veera to air. It seems the dad has brain tumor and hence when the mom was about to reconcile with him he lied ke he has moved on and is having another women in his life..fulto drama during shanti havan and then Pankudi-Adi comes to know of dad's illness by a mistaken phone message... such cliche na :D ab aage age dekna hai hota hai kya...
ReplyDeletePV, seems like Arthiji reveals the truth to everyone that Yash and Akash were switched during birth. I noticed, they close the loops quite fast in this serial, so what will they show in the future, how long will they stretch this Akash-Yash track wondering.
Was it Su who mentioned that she will do a bro-sis post for Barun n Sanz.. it seems like someone already did it.. many of us think alike ..i was totally LOL seeing the comment :D i must say IPK forum is most entertaining on weekends :D
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Opti,
ReplyDelete1. why were you so thrilled about this track when Mona and I were having reservations about it?
I was thrilled because THIS WAS THE GREATEST HUMILIATION TO A WOMAN...IT CANNOT GET WORSE THAN THIS. SHE WILL RETALIATE FOR SOME TIME....TEACH THE HERO A LESSON ...and then forgive him.
What was denied to Khushi when ASR remarried her.... He was supposed to weep in agony and not muster up the courage to love the girl whose mother had been the OW in his mom’s life...(Rekha would so agree with me here: He was not supposed to have that rose thorn memory...I believe that was worked in to the story because it looked like there was not going to be an ASR around for a long time.)
ASR had a better reason than RK to ditch Khushi...and he would have realised his mistake when he saw how the 6month marriage ruined Khushi’s REPUTATION...he would have seeked reconciliation...AND KHUSHI WOULD HAVE REFUSED. Believe me, I can read Gul pretty well. That is why Dilshad or Zoya DON’T SURPRISE ME A BIT. They are behaving exactly the way I WANT THEM TO.
2. After all I did stick to IPK till the end because of my love for the jodi and not because of the way ASR's character was developed.
I am simply pointing out few glaring INCOSISTENCIES in RK’s character...he blindly believes Madhu will not backstab him...even when his mom and best friend tell him otherwise...he KNOWS the girl loves him SELFLESSLY...she was willing to leave her family FOR HIM...so he VIOLATED HER TRUST totally and trampled on her DIGNITY and threw her out, literally fed her to the dogs. He must be well within character- he is teh great RK...it is his ahankaar...only I don’t know how a hero who REPEATEDLY disappoints a woman will be redeemed. I speak about forgiveness...I expect RK to think of Madhu at least once...the girl who brought him back from the dead, the girl who gave him his mother back, the girl who showed him innocent love existed. He can DENY it, but NOT SO CRUELLY. The cruel bit really gets me riled up.
For me, ASR never died. I did not watch for the Jodi. And I loved Khushi more than ASR...so I will not make compromises to watch a love story or a HEROINE that does not make sense to me. I will watch it for the ‘sherni Madhu’ bits and the dialogues...not particularly interested in the Jodi as of now. (I would still be believing in the Jodi if the repeated humiliation was not occurring...what GH is feeding me now is a bit too much for me to take.)
3. “What did not sit well with me is his failure to wonder whether he could have been wrong in his judgment even after witnessing so many things which were going against his presumption of Khushi's guilt. First, he was repeated seeing how much it hurt Khushi that her family couldn't accept her hushed marriage to a perfectly eligible bachelor. How would they have accepted her eloping with a married (or a divorced) man, especially if he was the brother-in-law of her sister? The woman adored her sister and was willing to marry him solely to ensure her happiness. Now if she can go to such great lengths for Payal, is it not foolish to believe that she was all set to ruin her life?...”
DeleteWhy should he wonder when he did not marry her for love? It was a punishment. And he took it one step further with the MS and Sindoor. Did you not wonder how he could expect a girl WHO BELIEVED IN THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE would want to break another woman’s marriage?
Why did Khushi ask Shyam to leave Anjali. Because she believes in the sanctity of marriage. She would not be a keep. She wanted the full honour. So, ASR gave the full honor the WAY SHE WANTED it...
This was the girl who got engaged when she saw ASR had not fallen for her. That bit was odd for ASR. She had to go and GET ENGAGED the right after he got engaged? Why?
The lover in him was enraged when he saw the pain she went through when the engagement broke...BOTH WAYS. A) He could not bear to see her heart broken. B) She had loved the guy so much?
And now, right after FLIRTING with him and MISLEADING him throughout Akash’s marriage, she was hugging another guy, and that too a married one, asking him to leave his wife for her. Khushi STOPPED MAKING SENSE for him and HE STOPPED TRYING TO MAKE SENSE out of her.
I don’t blame him at all. SO HE FAILED TO WONDER even after he witnessed so many things.
Remember ASR is a man with ego- there is so much he will take and wonder. After a point he will REJECT. Yes. Such guys are foolish. ASR is foolish, so is Asad.
I think the difference for me is that I HAVE NO EXPECTATIONS from Gul’s heroes. They are super tycoons, who are judgemental and blind. That is fine with me. I have seen people like that, though they don’t go to the extent fictional characters do...BUT THESE GUYS do mess up their lives because of their refusal to see the other side of the story. And I find such women too, they really mess up their subordinates’ professional lives when they refuse to think out of the box. They are not my heroes...but they do have MY PITY.
And if they learn humility and realise their mistakes, THEY HAVE MY RESPECT.
4. shouldn't he be more worried to leave her in the same house as Shyam where both of them are thrown in each other's company?
DeleteASR had warned Shyam well. And this was not a permanent arrangement. He needed to be with Di- could not risk sending her away with Shyam. He kept Khushi bound to him, that was better than leaving her lurking around, luring Shyam back. She was in his house, any out of the ordinatry behaviour’d be picked up by Nani or Anjali.
After 6 months, if Shyam had not reformed, and Di had safely delivered the baby, he’d have thrown both Shyam and Khushi out. (Hell. EK would have done exactly that. EK would have made ASR marry Shyam at a gunpoint...you deserve to belong to this weirdo...and later fulltoo regret and redemption and reclamation!)
5. The most unforgivable act was his refusal to believe her even after she told him the entire truth after the suicide attempt. All that she said matched up with her strange behaviour in the past and yet he refused to belief her..
Yes. He asked her one simple thing...PROOF. He wanted to believe her badly. But she did not bring him proof. SHE PROMISED HIM PROOF when she stalled him at the airport...he almost wanted to believe her...but SHE FAILED HIM AGAIN. She should not have promised SOMETHING SHE COULD NOT deliver. Why did she promise, only to break his heart again?
The significant difference was that, when he came out of the kidnap, again...he asked her:” Do you have proof?” She replied in the affirmative again. AND FAILED TO DELIVER AGAIN.... But he ignored all the evidence Shyam was trying build up against her and SIMPLY TRUSTED HER WITHOUT PROOF. That was the BIGGEST CHARACTER GROWTH in ASR for me.
OPti, one thing is very clear. YOU AND I READ GUL VERY DIFFERENTLY.
I loved IPKKND not ONLY for the actors or the chemistry, but ALSO for the way it was written. As far as I am concerned, if I saw something, IT MUST HAVE BEEN THERE. It helps when you don’t feel compelled to dissect the creator for her past mistakes. So, I loved IPK. I love QH. And I know Gul will mistakes again. My only prayer right now is, Gul does not blow me away with another love story with Sanaya before she ends QH.
Su,
DeleteYou ramble so much it is difficult to track your reasoning and frankly I fail to understand your arguments. If ASR did not love Khushi, where was the conflict in their forced marriage? He married her as a punishment and that is that, is it? No, he cannot help loving her inspite of everything. He cared enough to throw that blanket out to her even though he threw her out. He was upset when Khushi was not called to the pug phere. So the guy is in deep turmoil and he keeps seeing these traits of Khushi which is contrary to his belief. For a man with lesser intelligence one can pass off what they showed but not for someone who was supposed to be very shrewd like ASR.
I would have been happy if they had showed that he did have his doubts about Khushi's innocence and tried to dig more but met with a dead-end because Shyam outsmarted him and kept reaffirming his doubts on Khushi. Afterall Shyam was always smarter than ASR, but then ASR never tested his intelligence much.
If he had stopped making sense of her then why was he continuing to love her and not making any serious efforts of stopping himself from doing so? During the entire post forced marriage track ASR was plain reactive and not proactive. By the way, he just warned Shyam and that was enough? He himself caught Shyam and Khushi together after the Heer Ranjha performance. He took out his anger on Khushi and not on Shyam. Even if it was only for six months, putting them together was a huge risk especially when the family is in the dark.
Were his family not sending those two together, thinking that it was a normal jiju-saali relationship, even though Khushi was distinctly uncomfortable with it? In fact, that is one thing I found unforgivable on ASR's part and wanted that to figure in his redemption, that he inadvertantly made Khushi live under the same roof as the creep. How much it would have hurt her to be in the presence of the man who mentally violated her. The things poor Khushi had to be subjected to during the kidnapping track - a half naked guy in her bedroom, being forced to feed him etc. I know you don't consider it a big deal, but I do.
The fact that he needed proof when all past events (in which Khushi was mentally disturbed and he was aware of it) were enough proof, showed that his brain was trully non-functional.
The same track could have been handled with more care to details - a smart ASR but a smarter Shyam. As Mona said, the track was very jerky and it did little to showcase ASR's shatir dimaag. In fact right through the track both ASR's head as well as heart should have screamed of Khushi's innocence, going by what they were showing us but that did not happen.
It is one thing to be passionate about your arguments but quite another to be condescending about someone else's point of view. To say that just because you saw something, there must have been something there (that too in caps) and implying that I am critical of IPK because of what happened in Geet appears to be a slur on my intellect and my judgment. I am not blinded by my past serial viewing. Whatever I said was purely based on what I saw in the show. I was not the only one unsatisfied with the track. Mona and Dia who had not had their judgment clouded by Geet viewing also pointed out ASR's frozen brain and the lack of logic to it in their posts.
Anyway I am done with arguing with you. Hereafter I will refrain from responding to your comments.
Hey, Opti!
DeleteI am sorry if I sounded rude, that was really not intended.
I was merely pointing out that we don't see things the same way. and that a story can be seen in many ways.
And definitely, it was not a slur on YOUR JUDGEMENT or your capabilities...you have seen it like many have seen. In fact, most people here on the blog and IF have problems with Gul's 'subtle' telling. It is not that I am more intelligent than any of you, I am simply more tuned to Gul's WAY OF THINKING. I might be wrong along with Gul in our way of thinking. So, really sorry, since I seem to have sounded nasty to you. I guess I BECAME JUDGEMENTAL since you used to tag every analysis with 'I don't expect better from Gul', when you yourself know IPK is a better product than Geet.
I was merely trying to tell you that things look different when you watch it with a pre- conceived notion...but obviously, you are telling me you don't do that, so I MADE AN ERROR IN JUDGEMENT. Sorry.
I am not sure Dia views the story the way you did...in fact, I think all of us have our INDIVIDUAL VIEWS...which is fine.
The same goes with MB..You love the tale, I cannot connect to it. I might, at a later date.
"No, he cannot help loving her inspite of everything. He cared enough to throw that blanket out to her even though he threw her out. He was upset when Khushi was not called to the pug phere. So the guy is in deep turmoil and he keeps seeing these traits of Khushi which is contrary to his belief. For a man with lesser intelligence one can pass off what they showed but not for someone who was supposed to be very shrewd like ASR. "'
We have not seen the terrace scene through ASR's eyes. We have only seen it as a viewer.
What did ASR see?
First of all, WHAT BUSINESS DID KHUSHI HAVE UP THERE ON THE TERRACE, MEETING SHYAM SECRETLY?
The implications are huge. Here is a wedding happening. This girl has no business on the terrace meeting her sister's jeeju. He saw her in a passionate hug and then he saw her throwing the guy away, shouting at him...'Why don't you leave your wife for me?'....ASR realised he had made a huge error in judgement.
HE HAD FALLEN IN LOVE WITH A MONSTER.
The rest of the marriage up untill the GH scene where he looks at the stars...WAS A BATTLE FOR THE POOR GUY. He was constantly torn between his heart and his 'frozen brain'.(I'd call it bomb-blasted brain)
He was a ping pong ball...who was reminded every time he let his heart believe, that this was a girl who had betrayed his trust. And he was ONCE BITTEN, HUNDRED TIMES SHY. BUt the pull was always there, all the more when he tried to get away from her.
And his growth happened in little stunted steps...every time he grew a little in his love ...he was reminded of the BETRAYAL ...so it got stunted. That is why Gul gave us the bursts of holi and Heer Ranjha... I did not expect a turning point at holi, so I was not disappointed....And it took Anjali to point it out to him that he was even covering up for Khushi...he did not even want her to feel bad for his hypo, so he made it look like he had faked it. (I am sorry to say, but I really feel like making a comparison with RK...he could have really meant it to be cruelty, which is what Khushi took it for...but I loved the mirror scene, where Anjali tells him why he said he faked it...because he cared for her deeply.)
ASR is shrewd, but also his ego had taken a huge beating...and he was not going to make excuses for a two- timing girl, however much she tugged at his heart strings.. ..
Again, sorry for coming on too strong.
Su,
DeleteDon't presume you know what drives my thoughts. If I was anti-Gul, I wouldn't have started watching IPK or for that matter trying to give QH a chance. In fact IPK is the only show I watched from the first episode to the last.
If you had seen my writings in Geet forum you would have realised that I used to be a staunch supporter of the PH when it was being bashed for the way the show was going. I found fault with the channel rather than the PH because the channel could not make up its mind who its target audience was. The show started off as one on a social theme to expand its youth base to rural women. When it did not pick up in trps, they introduced the Delhi track and it clicked. the youth audience was back. Later the show wanted to expand base to all age groups and wanted it to be a family drama and again there was a course correction and the stupid Amritsar track was introduced. I was under the impression that the PH was arm twisted into making Dev positive beecause the actor playing him was not up to playing a negative role. Later when they replaced him with a guy who was known for his negative roles and they still continued positive Dev I thought that the channel was to be blamed. In fact I was amongst the very few supporters of the PH because I felt all said and done they are a talented bunch who were helplessly led along. It is only much later I realised the Dev forgiveness track was Gul's idea when she herself admitted in one of her interviews.
When I saw that in IPK some of the things which were in Geet - poor treatment of potentially explosive tracks and flop climaxes - got repeated that I made those observations about a pattern which is peculiar to the PH. The PH's attention to its ongoing show wanes when it gets ready to lauch a new big show.
IPK was great up to Holi and sort of lost its way thereafter, barring bouts of brilliance from time to time. Strangely Geet also lost its way after the Holi scene where Maan finds out about Geet's forgiveness of Dev and looses it completely.
I agree with you that IPK was better than Geet insofar as that it was far more consistent than Geet but it had its share of unclosed loops and inconsistent characterisation. Do I regret watching the show? Hell, no. I still love the show and my jodi but do I feel many things could have been better? Yes.
Anyway this would be my last post on IPK or ASR or anything connected to Gul or her PH. I'm done with the argument.
Came across this in IF where someone gave this link to explain RK's behaviour . I find it a good explanation. Su, I agree RK is a selfish man. I never defended his actions. Was only explaining it in my post in the earlier thread. Would never want to be involved with such a man in real life but in reel life such characters are interesting to watch.
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Quoting the relevant part of that article.
Delete“To ego, love is dangerous. The painful parts of love are threatening, and so are the good parts. Rejection and conflict can be threatening, in the sense that they create pain—and no one likes pain.
But then so are commitment, surrender, and trust. Even pleasure threatens ego, particularly great pleasure.
A lot of love is too much for ego. Too much to give. Too much to take. If ever love raises its beautiful head too high, ego gets uncomfortable, and reacts in ugly ways, because it knows that if love rules in our hearts and minds, egoism is out.
Too much love begins to call ego's ways—selfishness, self-protection, fear, doubt, defense and offense—into question. Wherever that love light shines, all such junk sticks out like a sore thumb.
So, ego not only fears that loving will result in hurt, it also fears that if we love too deeply, too happily, we will abandon the ego-concept (of separation and self-protection) altogether. Ego fears its undoing in love.
Ego's habit of freaking out, withdrawing, fearing, etc. keeps much of the available fuel—which is, essentially, love, recognition, attention, energy, whole-heartedness, true commitment—out of love's fire. Usually, it will allow a certain amount of fuel to be thrown into the fire, but no more—thus, keeping the relationship at a "comfortable," controllable, mediocre level. Or in other cases, one might pull out completely, refusing to give anything to the relationship in terms of time, care, energy.
One of ego's dirtiest tricks is to use the past—both positive and negative—to justify avoiding love, or ruining it.”
This is very apt for RK. He has realised the depth of Madhu’s love. She was willing to forgo everything, including her family for her love. When he read her letter to her mom, he must have been overwhelmed by it and the egoist man he is, found it difficult to cope with it. Yes, he loves her but not enough to sacrifice his ego.
He used the past (Madhu’s slaps) to justify his withdrawal and made the separation really brutal so that Madhu cuts herself off. Otherwise, the girl may not sever her links to him, given her tenacity. He is not totally without a heart despite the havoc he has caused in their lives. Since love is very much in his heart, he has ensured that she has her support system, her family is around her to take care of her and ensure she isn’t totally broken. He was also turning a blind eye and ear to Bittuji openly helping Madhu.
In his earlier revenge, he had broken her support system in order to break her. That is not the case this time as the motive is not revenge as he wants her to believe but self preservation of that big fat ego of his.
Has RK changed? Yes he has, but there is still a long way to go before he can be called a decent human being. He is still selfish and arrogant. Will Madhu have the patience to teach the guy a lesson or will he have to figure it out on his own? We will have to wait and see.
Opti,
Delete'He used the past (Madhu’s slaps) to justify his withdrawal and made the separation really brutal so that Madhu cuts herself off. Otherwise, the girl may not sever her links to him, given her tenacity. He is not totally without a heart despite the havoc he has caused in their lives. Since love is very much in his heart, he has ensured that she has her support system, her family is around her to take care of her and ensure she isn’t totally broken. He was also turning a blind eye and ear to Bittuji openly helping Madhu. ':
Opti, Mona,
I am taking Dia's advice on how to watch MB.
Hopefully this is my last post on MB, unless I get really interested in it again...there is still a chance, since I like GH's googlies. (From IPK days..:D)
It is just that this turning point which was supposed to be A POINT...is stretching on to miles and miles...the injustice and humiliation is SO MUCH especially since Madhu has proven herself over and over again.(If the Siddhi Vinayak and the forsaking wealth had not played, the hero would have been so much more redeemable.)
Why did RK get angry when he thought Madhu was not going to pass Dipali's test?
And why did he feel elated when she passed that test?
Why did he take her to the lake and explain to her his inability to trust love...and after that give her the impression that he reciprocated her feelings too?
RK had enough opportunities to check his feelings and come to a decision...so, when he gives Madhu the impression -IN WORDS- that he loves her back...he MUST TRULY LOVE HER.
***But if his brain has processed it as payback, how does he explain the KC and his need to get her to confess her loyalty to Rishabh and not RK...***
If after that he suffers from an 'Asad Ahmed Khan ' complex (I am calling it that since most likely Asad is going through the same- he denies his feelings so that he does not want end up hurting his love, the way his dad hurt his mom..so he refuses to believe in love..so he DOES NOT CONFESS HIS LOVE)...what is going to convince him that he can love?
Madhu has offered her heart on a platter and that is not enough.
What more can Madhu teach him? Give more examples of selfless giving?
Will he figure it out on his own? It has to be that.
I am not going to try and figure out a brain that could not figure it out after all this that has happened between them....especially since Madhu has given him more and more reasons ONLY TO TRUST HER.
And definitely not when he seems to ignore all the pain he has caused her and embarks on another cat and mouse game...
All I am asking for is a heroine who is not offering herself up as a bait- at this stage in their relationship- even if the bait bites back...THAT IS HARDLY THE RETALIATION WE EXPECT FROM A WOMAN WHO HAS BEEN SCORNED TO THIS LEVEL!
Keep the hero human or inhuman or superhuman...I really don't care.
Is it too much to ask for?
Over and out on MB ranting unless GH entices me back and disappoints me again.
Su,
DeleteThe problem with you is that you are selectively reading my post and jumping into your own conclusions.
I think I had made it clear in my earlier post as well as this one that the problem with RK is his god complex (the need to control) and his big fat ego. It has nothing to do with being able to trust Madhu's love. He knows the extent of her love. In fact that is what is scaring him now. The total selfless and unconditional love which has far exceeded his expectations. Now it is plain self preservation of the control he has on his life. His falling in love has made him realise he no longer has that control, especially after he nearly lost her to Ballu's attack.
As to Madhu offering herself as the bait, that is not how I see it. She is trying to stand on her own and face him. She may get hurt in the process but it will only make her stronger and more resolute even as the hero is becoming weaker by the day. You don't learn to run without stumbling. He touched a new low on saturday and I doubt he will continue on this destructive path.
'the problem with RK is his god complex (the need to control) and his big fat ego.'
DeleteBreaking a promise...:D
Opti,
MB is a concept that really pulled me to it when I saw the promo, so I hope you will be patient with something that CONFUSES ME A LOT. And it is not about Madhu...
Thank you for putting forth the god complex, since this is what irritated me about RK all along...he came across as this control freak in Padmini's marriage and Deedu's career.(If you remember, I did mention this back then also, but you or Mona explained it as his need to make Madhu's world perfect.)
So,
1. Scared lover theory: He did it because of his need to make her world perfect...after all that he almost lost her to Ballu...he decides to deliver her back to her family, because he cannot take this cup..it is too heavy for him. And she is better off without him. Only the method he chooses is too severe, because he wants her never to come back, for her sake. And he continues to insult her because her proximity unnerves him.
2. Confused lover: He does these things for her, even opens up to her and tests her love...and promises this marriage to her...only chickens out last moment citing the slap revenge, because his ego tells him to.
3. Revenge theory: It was all an act. He had some slips here and there...ended up discussing his insecurities (remember, his mother had hailed it as one of Madhu's achievements)...takes her on a romantic date, promises her a proper marriage (That eloquent speech...that really sounded quite earnest and not CONFUSED...so I say BLACK OR WHITE there...it was an act or it was a lover proposing.
In case you have an answer:
With this god complex he confessed his insecurites about love, invited her on a romantic date, put Madhu's love for RK Vs Rishabh to test, and APOLOGISED to her for putting her through that test...
It is especially that apology that does not make sense at all. If he had a God complex and a super ego, why did he break down enough to acknowledge he had wronged her and even reconcile with his mom...why refuse to acknowledge the love for a woman who SHOWED HIM THE WAY, knowing SHE LOVES HIM UNCONDITIONALLY? After he has already ACKNOWLEDGED it in words and apology and a PROPOSAL? So, is he rejecting her because of the new found fear of love...his insecurities are back again...I thought those demons were dealt with already!
Or these are different insecurities?
I am honest when I say I really don't care whether he has a motive or not, because he was never a HERO for me; but it really helps if things add up.
Anyway, I will be convinced he is a hero, with his RTR.
But, are you able to connect all these events I mentioned under one theory?
Because I doubt we will get any more explanation for his behaviour than what we already have.
'He touched a new low on saturday and I doubt he will continue on this destructive path.'
Sure hope so. It is high time!
I guess I just have to be patient for the sherni Madhu. I just feel they could have done even this stretched torment bit so much more better, keeping the dignity of the girl intact. Did GH not think she has had enough?
Yes, you don't learn to run without stumbling. It'd have been so much more better if the stumbles did not come as more humiliation, considering she has already reached the pits.
BTW,
Belatedly read that post on Geet...beautifully written...loved the quotes.
Unfortunately, I don't follow the story at all. But I do agree with you it was quite a convoluted story...my head started spinning as I read through WIKI and I think even WIKI started spinning, because they did not complete the synopsis. :D
Su,
DeleteI have to thank you for mentioning that god complex which finally put everything into perspetive for me because till then I was grappling with the inconsistencies between what they had showed for over four months and waht they showed in the last two weeks. While daily soaps rarely run on logic, it may be a futile exercise to ratonalise everything but I attempted to do that with all the bits of information available (as you rightly put it we may not get anything more) and this is what I could make of it.
You categorised RK's behaviour into 3 categories - sacred lover, confused lover and lover out for revenge. I would say that RK being as complex as he is cannot be categorised thus. He is a mix of all three (I wouldn't say confused here but one who has this god complex).
He started off on the revenge track for the four slaps. He wanted to break Madhu using hate but couldn't. Although Madhu initially took it all for the sake of her father, she fought back once he started hurting her family, humiliating her mother. When she forced him to ask forgiveness threatening to expose his childhood photos, he was furious and retaliated with that party where he humiliated her in front of all his guests. That was the bottom he had reached at the time and his mom chastised him saying that his father would have been ashamed of him if he were alive. His remorse was real then and he went searching for Madhu at the studio and saved her life.
In a weak and vulnerable moment he opened up about his past to her. This gave her an insight into RK's character and she began sofening towards him from then on. She realised that his bark is worse than his bite and bravely brought in Ganesh idol into his house. While he detested her for her daring to defy him, he secretly admired her for her grit. Was it love at this point? I think not, but he couldn't ignore her goading him to reconcile with his god. After all he did have a special place for his Bappa at one point. The power of the divine was strong and he got pulled into his faith in God again and enthusiastically participated in the Visarjan celebrations.
He then got attacked by Mallik and Madhu saved his life. Did he feel grateful for it? An ordinary man would have, not RK. Her having him had hit his god complex. RK, the god had to take the help of a mere mortal to survive and he did not like it. This was also the time when he started to feel the strong pull towards her. So he was conflicted by his need to re-establish his control over himself and her and his growing attraction towards her. He realised her weakness for him after the attack on his life and decided to use it for his own selfish gains.
Your observations of his feigning sleep when she moons over him and later looking at her calculatedly is perfectly right. He was gauging her feelings and preparing the ground for the kill. He loved all the attention she was giving him. It pampered his ego and made him feel good about himself. Madhu herself was not aware why she was having such powerful feelings for the guy.
DeleteNext turning point was RK catching Mallik in his attack and warning him off. Why did he forgive Mallik? For three reasons. One, it gave him back the power to play God, be in a position of power. Two, he understood why Mallik attacked him and since he always longed for his father, he was moved by Mallik's fatherly love for a daughter who was not his. There was a third reason which he did not acknowledge then but was there under the surface - care for Madhu's feelings. He hid the fact from Madhu at the risk of being misunderstood. Now why should he do that for his adversary unless he really deeply cared for the girl? So his feelings started strengthening from then on although it was still in his subconscious mind and he suppressed it.
The next major event was the police finding the evidence. Here again he hastily closed the case because he did not want her to find the truth about her father. He forbade her from going to her mayka to keep her from learning the truth. By now he realised this was a perfectly good excuse to strengthen her feelings of love for him, not realising he himself was increasingly growing fond of her.
Coming to KC. He was in denial big time. The conflict in his mind had already started. One part of him wanted her to get entrapped in his love but the other part was protesting, partly because he had some conscience pricking him for using her and partly because he did not want to succumb to the growing atraction and let go control over himself. He did not want her to keep the fast and delayed coming home hoping she would have broken the fast only to find her take ill. Immediately his care took over and he nursed her through the night. His unnatural behaviour the next afternoon again underlined his need to be in control. His volte face the next moment showed that he had not given up on the plan to entrap her with his love. He went through the elaborate KC evening at the studio. He was majorly attracted to her during their dance but always managed to keep his feelings in tight leash, the objective always in sight.
Madhu was totally besotted by her hubby by this time. She invited him over to her mom's place where she planned to reveal her feelings. He guessed it by then and was moving in for the kill when he got distracted by Dips and her challenge.
The challenge suited him fine because it would placate his ego to know that Madhu was willing to give up everything for him. He had no doubt about her love but he felt there was no harm testing it to satisfy himself that she has been primed up for his attack.
He went off to his farm house and sent message to her to reach him the next day knowing fully well she will come the same day.
He made his love confession which I initially thought was not well enacted by Viv but on retrospect feel he did a brilliant job because he was faking it. Does it mean that he did not love her at the time? I think he did but assured himself that he was only enacting it.
Now why did he get upset about her refusal to come away with him? Because he felt that he did not gain control over her as he had wanted to. His ego was hurt and he carried his fowl mood to the studio. It is only on the way back that Trishna inadvertantly revealed the fissures in Mallik-Pads-Madhu relationship because of Madhu's refusal to forgive Mallik. He felt pleased that Madhu did love him enough to refuse to forgive her father. He promised to make everything right and whisk her away. He saw a perfect opportunity to play god again.
DeleteI feel that slowly but surely the guy has been falling deeper and deeper in love with this woman who was giving him so much love and he was genuine in his efforts to get Madhu to forgive her father and get Pads to forgive Mallik.
About boasting about Madhu's passing the test to Dipali, I think he did not want to pass up an opportunity to show off his win and rub her face in the dust but he was shocked that Madhu over heard him. By now the challenge to make her break with fake love was long forgotten. He really loved and cared for the woman. When she made him see himself from within and told him about his mom's sacrifice, he felt ashamed of himself and rushed to make peace with her. He came back and found Madhu, although upset with him, had forgiven him.
Coming to their vanvas, although it started off as a test for Madhu, he seemed to have got carried away by breaking free from his make believe world and start life afresh with his woman by his side. He did not feel threatened by her love for him or his for her because he was still controlling the progression of their relationship.
His arranging Pads-Mallik marriage was driven by both the need to make her family perfect before they left behind all material things and their respective families and also that god complex where he was one who was shaping others' lives. It gave his ego further boost. Righting the wrong done to Trishna was again his god complex at work.
Unfortunately in his enthusiasm to keep it a secret from Madhu, he ended up bringing her nemesis back into her life and he endangered her love. The power of his love struck him when he nearly lost her. In an uncanny resemblance to the way he lost his father, he saw Madhu hanging by the noose and he must have relived that darkest moment of his life.
We saw a subtle change in his behaviour towards Madhu during this track. There wss a mix of guilt and some other mysterious expression which in retrospect I feel was his realisation and that she was slowly taking control of his life. Her existence mattered big time. With it came the need for self preservation.
DeleteThe village track showed him that he was not ready to foresake all the adulation that came with his position. Her gifting herself to him telling him that she wanted to go ahead with their relationship even without their marriage being complete showed him how far he had gone in this and he was on the verge of giving in when he held back in the nick of time - partly because he did not want her to feel bad in the light of what he was about to do to them and partly because he did not want to surrender himself completely when there would be no turning back. Madhu's letter to her mom only drove home just how much she wwas giving up for him making him feel the pressure to surrender to such enormous love.
Unable to handle this, he went back to his revenge plan and put up his greatest performance to a shocked Madhu who thought he was joking at first. He was in a way telling the truth when he told her he wanted to give their story the end he wanted. He was back to manipulating things to serve his selfish purpose but being the man in love, his actions reflected a subtle change in his execution. He ensured that her support system was there to pick her up and make her stand firm. He knew her mom was a strong woman. He had seen her in action at the court. He knew that despite the shattering of her life with him, her life with her family will remain intact.
If you noticed his grand public humiliation was confined to her chawl. He felt compelled to do it because he had gained everyone's respect and love after Mallik-Pads wedding which he had arranged. It would be difficult for Madhu to win their sympathy and support if he just leaves her there without giving any reason. By painting himself black, he ensured that she will to seen as the pure wronged girl. He did not call a press conference as he did when he humiliated Madhu before, breaking her engagement to Mukund. he did not correct the actress when she addressed Madhu as Mrs.RK although Bittuji was bracing himself for another public humiliation.
This time around his actions are not to break her but to preserve himself. Yes, it makes him selfish and he has a long long way to go before he comes even close to redemption but he is presently burning in a hell of his own making.
Opti,
DeleteThank you so much for the effort you have put in to piece it together. Yes. RK is clearer to me now.
'About boasting about Madhu's passing the test to Dipali, I think he did not want to pass up an opportunity to show off his win and rub her face in the dust but he was shocked that Madhu over heard him. By now the challenge to make her break with fake love was long forgotten. He really loved and cared for the woman. When she made him see himself from within and told him about his mom's sacrifice, he felt ashamed of himself and rushed to make peace with her. He came back and found Madhu, although upset with him, had forgiven him.'
I really wish GH had thought twice before putting forth this test...he has dug a big grave for the hero. Personally for me, RK died as a lover here...he was asking for too much. And finally he got that too, yet ended up making a mockery of her love and sacrifice.
And he continues to revel in humiliating her to satisfy his ego/ self preservation...which means he still does not realise the MAGNITUDE of his BETRAYAL...I hope he does, some day.
I don't know if anyone has seen this post.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.india-forums.com/bollywood/hot-n-happening/31169-24-shoot-starts-feb-25-abhinay-deo.htm
This post is about the new serial '24' which is going to be produced by Anil Kapoor and it is remake of American Series(my favorite for quite sometime). Seems like they are shooting it completely and then releasing it as a serial after the shoot is all done. I am very happy that at least there seems to be a change in which the team is thinking of taking this show forward. So the chances are this show will be pre-shot and TRPs are not going to effect it. I am confused if Anil Kapoor is going to make this a seasonal series like next year he will rope in few new actors and the whole new series start. 24 in America was huge hit and it came especially after the terror attacks of 9/11 and the way the creatives really tackled terrorism on screen was awesome. I so wish if this series is a seasonal one then the next series has Barun in it as a cop fighting terrorism. Chalo if this serial is a huge hit maybe it will create a trend of pre-shooting the serial and then releasing it as a complete package after the serial is completely shot. Wishing Colors channel gets in this initiative and we will have short, crisp seasonal shows.
oh this sounds interesting, i have not seen the english version of it. Barun as cop fighting terrorism, hmmmmm it would be nice :)
DeleteWould really like to see some path-breaking series in our indian tv for a change, hope for the best, if this works out well, others also might start to experiment i guess.
Nan, You haven't heard of 24? It is a very hit series in US but the point in that is the series paints americans as heroes and rest(implicitly muslims/arabs) as terrorists but since this came after 9/11, it was a very hit because of the raw nerve the show touched. Technically the show was damn good but yeah after 2-3 seasons I hated the stereotypes but action was mind-blowing. I don't know how Anil Kapoor intends to make this suitable for Indian TV but I sure hope he doesn't stereotypes the villians because like they say Terror doesn't know any religion and India as such is very sensitive in these matters - wouldn't want any serial provoking any community in India. So I need to wait and watch as to how this team takes this show forward but hopefully we might get good seasonal shows if this experiment succeeds.
Delete24 is an excellent series ... I watched the first three seasons and they gave me a headache ... they are bloody addictive! It's in the format of a single day - 24 hours ... fast-paced and each episode is of one hour duration and ends in a cliff hanger, so if you're watching on DVD, like we were, you can't stop watching if you have the next episode available! Bloody nuisance ... cost me many hours of sleep!!! :)))
Delete24 is also very famous because they were the first to show a black US President - wayyyy before Obama was on the scene.
Anil Kapoor acted in one of the latest seasons - 8, I think. I haven't watched after season 3, they became a little repetitive.
Lots of technology and latest gadgets and a very fast-paced show ... wonder if they will be able to adapt to Indian telly well.
Limited edition shows ... all the Yashraj shows were limited shows, their time span and the scripts were decided before they aired. That's partly why they were so good. But the concept never took off, partly because like Ekta said, it takes time to build attachment to TV characters. If you have limited edition shows, you need seasons.
So an Indian 24 Hours ... if it takes off, the makers will be looking for more than one season. Will they take Barun, knowing his penchant to get bored easily? And will Barun want to do it for the same reason? The same actor has been playing Jack Bauer for 8 seasons. Many of the other actors change, but not him.
Dia,
DeleteSeems like they are pre-shooting the whole series and then releasing on the TV. It is kind of like shooting for a film actually only that there would be no post production and no distributors thingy because it would go on TV. That is what I posted in the IF interview above. The shoot will happen from Feb to July and then the series will go on TV from August. And it definitely would be seasons for this one because there is no way Anil Kapoor is going to invest this much for a show(He apparently is investing all his money on this show and this show is going to be huge with about 70 people on the technical side itself) and that too for one shot of about 4-5 months. That is why I am thinking it would be a seasons one and based on the popularity and availability the old cast would be brought in and new ones would come in just like we have in US.
I think if Barun is intending to come on TV but not on a lead role this would be the best because he would be done with his shooting in a pre-defined time interval and he can move on to different things for the remainder of the year - better than 6-8 days cameo. I will be keeping an eye on this show. But like you say, the concept has to kick in to really make this a trend and hopefully with the complete county going digital by the time this serial airs, I am confident the TRPs would not be skewed and would at least be better and the makers can think about more seasons.
Don't know if anyone is watching Nach Baliye 5 ... I have been watching it the last few weeks, and find it entertaining and fun. The judges, at least Shilpa and Terrence, are decent and never pull down the contestants with mean remarks. Sajid Khan is a painful character ... don't know why he is so partial to Rahul and Dimpy - they do more comedy than dance.
ReplyDeleteI'm also pleasantly surprised and impressed by Neelu Waghela (Bhabho from DABH) and her hubby - they are both really sweet and fun people, and have been putting up a great show despite their age, and in competition with much younger contestants.
Was quite shocked yesterday when Sajid said he didn't understand the concept of their dance - I thought the guy was born and bred on Hindi films - he didn't understand the concept of Charlie Chaplin and Mera Naam Joker? Huge failure of judgement on his part - I would say the low marks he gave to Neelu and Arvind are a reflection of his own ignorance and poor performance as judge more than a reflection of their dance.
I do not like that Sajid Khan guy :( He is too arrogant. I remember how he was trying to make fun of Jodha-Akbar in some award function and the director Ashutosh Gowatrikar(hope i got the spelling right :P) got really irritated and gave it back to him, did not like all that mess in an award function. From then on, am somewhat skeptical about him. If their own clan mock the hard work put in then its really sad. I like Terrence, he and also Remo, such wonderful dancers and so humble and good-hearted people really.
DeleteI am not addicted to it to the extent to tune in for every epi. But every epi that I watch is paisa vasool. Definitely one of the best reality dance shows...loving all three judges, actually.
DeleteI don't mind Sajid, he is brutally honest...I don't know if he is in real life. When he judges, he judges ONLY based on the entertainment value...he highlights it often. If he was entertained, he gives marks. If he was not, even if the steps were difficult or the concept was mind blowing, he will criticise because the package was not good. He actually judges them like an average viewer who is looking only to be entertained.
I agree that he is a little too harsh at times. BTW, he is a big fan of Aravindji. And he expects a LOT from that couple. Aravindji is quite a favorite with everyone, in fact.
Rahul and Dimpy are out, I thought.
Loving it that Shefali is back...that girl is a dream to watch! So flexible and elegant!
Did anyone watch their comeback segment? They had a rain dance on the stage...it was something to watch!
I am sorry to say this. The only one person who looks out of place in the show, for me, is Gautam. He does not have that chemistry with Karan Wahi. It looks like he is putting an effort in to hosting.
I hope I have not ruined SC for me, even before it started. Anyway, good actors may not be good hosts and vice versa...I have nothing against the actor.
Su,
DeleteHarsh or not harsh on Arvindji is not the point I was making. The point is that he is a judge, who is there to judge one facet of the dance and that is entertainment quotient ... but within the boundaries of it being a DANCE show. So a judge can't, or shouldn't have different criteria for different contestants, and he should be well informed about the area he is judging - that's why he is chosen in the first place. I don't expect him to comment on the techniques of dance - that's Terrence's job, and he does it well. But in terms of concept - this guy is supposed to be born and bred on movies - for him to not understand the concept of Mera Naam Joker, which is a pretty iconic film in BW, is shocking! Shows how completely unfit he is for the role of judge.
Average viewers ARE judging the show - by sending in their votes. He is not supposed to represent the average viewer - he is supposed to provide comments based on his area of expertise. AND be impartial about it. Just because HE likes a couple or not, should not figure in the judgement. Neeru and Arvindji are genuinely good dancers, whether he likes them or not is immaterial - as far as his JUDGEMENT goes.
Besides, it is VERY stupid of him to go on saying, Jay and Mahi are finalists, Jay and Mahi are the winners ... that is ridiculous!
Shefali and Parag - have watched a couple of their performances - not very impressed really.
Hey ladies!!
ReplyDeleteHow is everyone?? soo many fascinating discussions...will have to read all them all!!
just read a few comments about the blasts in Hyderabad...i don't live there..but have relatives..they are all fine..thanks a ton for asking..*HUGS*
wow.. what do i see here! this has turned into a battleground with the major players finally looking like roothe bacche at a kindergarten playground!
ReplyDeleteif this is what happens when i'm away, i need to come around more often, right? sorry, not possible right now.
after taking one full hour to read through the 48 comments i see here, only one thing sticks to my mind.. we all FEEL ipk differently. i do not have to defend what i felt when i saw it..
for the newcomers , i will make it official:
we debated everyday the serial aired, analyzing and re-analyzing why arnav did this, khushi did that... go back to the episode reviews to understand that we went into multiple pages of comments because we could not convince each other on one direction... not only those of us here at RnR, but every single page of the IPK forum on IF those days.. happened because people disagreed on the intent of the storyteller.
basically, IPK was told in a subtle style, with a lot of silences.. no one explained stuff, they left it to the audience's interpretation.. and interpret we did. (and how!!) that is one of the reasons for the huge online success of IPK.. people were unsure of their interpretations and WANTED to discuss it.
now, when i watch a show like veera or balika vadhu, i am not confused, not even once... the storyteller explains everything.. so i dont feel the need to discuss the story.
just see one (any) thread of IP redux (google it, not that hard to find it..) to see how much people's interpretation differed.. and it was a good thing, because it got many people some lasting online friendships.
me, i would never have thought i had online friends in India and abroad.. but now I know them, know their neeyat.. consider them friends.. because we spent a lot of time "talking" to each other. I think that is a good thing.
I am never one for flogging a dead horse, i prefer to give it a decent burial.. and i can accept nandini and sarada's rants, because they were not here when we were all ranting.
Deleteit has been more than three months without IPK on tv, the actors/workers all have moved on.. some happily, some unhappily.. but it is a fact that everyone has an emotion over the issue.. and it was their daily earning that was stopped. and yet, they found other things to do.
i think I will let it rest now..( I dont need to be emotionally upset over "some tv show in bombay winding up" due to bad decisions of some people whom i did not know existed, some people who will never affect my real life.. ) but the fact remains that it did affect my real life, it did affect my emotions.. and here i am, finally burying the dead horse.
True what you said, i think i too will let it go now, no use of us breaking heads actually. What has to happen happens. When we cannot control our own lives, what is the use of discussing how things should have worked out so far away from us na :)
DeleteI will add here ... in accord with posting the positives ;)
DeleteBarun has gotten a break into BW, which was always his ultimate goal.
Sanaya is now being recognised and courted by all major channels ... recognised for her talent, looking PAST her looks ... something she has struggled for a long time. She loves TV and wants to stay here.
So both have achieved their dreams ... thanks to IPKKND. For that, I think they will both always be grateful to Gul, whether they say it or not. And the interviews with Gul were in themselves an acknowledgement of that.
Hey all
ReplyDeleteBefore I hand in the gloves – just wanted to make a couple of statements:
- When I support RK I am supporting his characterization – not the character – I am no ways saying that what he is doing is excusable – what I am saying is that I like the way he is sketched! Generally, from my limited knowledge of heroes – we only see two types – the boring spineless saint like the guy in the wick and the lamp story or we have the anti hero who turn overnight into saints – (I remember one serial where this girl was married to a goon and he turned around!! – they should show that serial to the tihar jail inmates!) What i like about RK is that he is softening but nowhere close to being a hero type hero!
- Heroines – all in general are chirpy happy do-gooders (read saints) and completely agree that Gul’s girls are very strong women _ and all serial ladies forgive and forget - even in a serial like saans!
And for IPK - it was a game changer - for all of us - so no doubts there - we all were HAA!
true that, Mona. we're all Hopelessly Addicted to Arhi.. whether we are barun fans or sanaya fans or both or neither, we are always arhi fans.
DeleteMona,
Delete'What i like about RK is that he is softening but nowhere close to being a hero type hero!'
Yes, Mona. He is the darkest hero we have seen. You have put that brilliantly in one line.
Can I add my two penny's worth?
DeleteRK is being so dark because it is written in the script - this is the hate phase, you have to humiliate the girl so she will hate you.
*Running away before the chappals hit me*
now getting off my soapbox, something totally unrelated, yet rofl worthy
ReplyDeletehttp://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/ColumnsOthers/A-calmer-you-how-to-irritate-irritating-people/Article1-1016336.aspx
Jaya, this one was good :D. I have experienced stare-stalkers all the time in bus stops specially, its sooo irritating :P and that knuckle cracking i do it myself :P not all the fingers but one each on either hands when am tensed :P :D
DeleteJ,
DeleteThis was seriously good. ROFL.
one sbb that happened before i got hooked..
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYtlgqqTPck
SBB 7 Dec 2011
another SBB that i have never seen
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOJLnFfyOoo
raksha puja during arnav's absence..
From Jaya, from the previous post - it got swallowed up in the 200 comment ceiling. She replied about tumblr and a few other things - reposting :)))
ReplyDeletethree things..quickly.
1. tumblr blog.. it is ridiculously easy, because i did not personally make any of those photosets.. i just made a tumblr blog, then 'reblog' them from other tumblr blogs that i am following. that is considered a compliment to the original maker, so happiness all around.
2. QH.. raziya's idea was good. but even siddiqui saab has lost the cool collected speech pattern now and started hysterics. I DONT like histronics.
rashid.. acc to my deductions, shireen was in love with rashid, he strayed , got ayaan.. but then went back to dilshaad with ayan.. so her betrayal/forgiveness has been resolved a long time ago. it seems that she accepted that shireen was important to him, so BACK THEN did not question it when rashid divorced her and went to live with shireen.. D said as much to R when they talked thursday.
rashid came back with ayaan to dilshad when she was pregnant with najma. then he left after najma's first birthday, dilshad thought it was because rashid loved shireen. and reconciled herself to the divorce, that took a long time as we can see. if he went back to shireen because of blackmail, then the tables are in dilshad's favor.(i accept a woman's right to forgive her husband after adultery)
3. re:the asian weekly interview
if BS quotes "i dint sleep for 36 hours" one more time, even i'm ready to whack his head.. with a cast iron skillet a la rapunzel. but i loved the interview.. (i think him pulling his wife into every interview is not a new thing.. he started very early with that habit :)
Tumblr ... I like the concept ... happiness is to copy/paste :)))
DeleteDilshad-Shireen ... I have a couple of questions for Mona, regarding the validity of first and second wives in Muslim marriages ... but am rushed for time, as I travel tomorrow. Will try to catch up with the last couple of QH episodes and then ask my doubts.
BS interview ... honestly I think these interviews are all recycled from old ones ... there is absolutely nothing new in any of them ... except his new favorite role :)))
I will be erratic online today and tomorrow - will get back on Wednesday ... if you need another post, someone email me or post a comment here, I will see it and do the needful :)
in the asian weekly interview, he was asked about the character he enjoyed playing.. he said that mini role in DMG.. maybe because he actually had fun doing it...not as intense as taking the heavy workload of being a main character. the question was not about his favorite character.
Deletesafe travels dia, enjoy your trip!
J,
DeleteI missed this. Do you have a link to that iv?
I saw it as the online mag page, but could not find that image online.. this is the writeup:
Deletehttp://myeduniya.com/mydiary/?name=Ocean&revid=35816
Thanks, J.
DeleteShort and sweet!
What I noticed.
1. When he was asked about his fav character- he was given a CHOICE of three characters- ASR was NOT in that choice- from the rest he picked DMG, I feel. (Hmmm..he could've said 'none of the above'. But that was not there in the choice. :D)
2. His life is incomplete without...I can't imagine any other answer there!
So his favourite character is different from the character he most enjoyed playing ... okay. :P
DeleteI think the makers of his first show should complain now - he's mentioned BHPH, DMG ... didn't he do another show before BHPH? Kyun bhai, uss show se kya narazgi ... sabhi shows ke naam mention kar diye, why leave that one out?
*Running away again from more chappals*
which brand d'you want? bata? paragon?
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waisey talking about joote wala dialogues ... i was waiting to talk about that fan outrage about sanaya's comments.. she was okay to pose as a sex kitten, but could not act sexy against a guy? (okay, random dupe guy with zombie expression hi sahi) is she an actress or not? :p
ROFL ... She acted all right ... she did the scene, didn't she? She didn't quit and walk off.
DeleteThe question is that she was UNCOMFORTABLE acting with random dude with blank expression, when she had to act all turned on ... is she justified in being uncomfortable or not? And even more, justified in expressing her opinion that yes, she was feeling uncomfortable ... so she told the guy to close his eyes ... that's how she dealt with the situation.
In fact, her expressions were better than Barun's in the scene - they were both acting with BD's.
And she is an actress ... so she could pose in front of the camera ... am sure the photographer was encouraging her and telling her what poses looked good or not ... not standing like a zombie while she pouted at him.
LOL dia, of course she did the scene :D she IS a good actress. but mera bitwa did good too..
Delete(one thing i noticed, after watching bhph.. he made me fall in love with the lead heroine there too.. like i have said may times before, that guy is a chameleon.. sometimes you dont now he is there, he is so subtle.. he makes the whole concentration move to the heroine. that was what was missing in MJHT.. so too in ankita's new show.)
waisey, talking of nach baliye, i found this on tumblr:
http://lastchance4sanity.tumblr.com/post/43933285174
I remember we had this discussion when the scene aired, actually, and we all felt she was better than him ;)
DeleteArey, the point was not that ... the point was something different - whether she was justified in expressing that she was uncomfortable. And that being compared to not being uncomfortable when she was wearing a short dress ... something akin to the mentality that if a woman wears a short dress, she is apparently fair game for anything ... a mentality I completely detest. Clothes are a woman's personal choice ... as is getting intimate with a person ... if she is comfortable with one, it doesn't follow that she has to be comfortable with the other. A bit like the mentality that - oh, she was wearing the wrong clothes, she was asking to be raped, because that's the kind of girl she is.
Besides, in the first part of the interview, Sanaya had already said that she was uncomfortable even with Barun during the Diwali kiss scene and had asked Arshad to get it done as quickly as possible. She and Barun were not as friendly then. And that scene is an iconic scene of IPKKND. That is the kind of person Sanaya is - she has said many times that she is uncomfortable in romantic scenes. Even Barun said once somewhere, I forget where, that it's more difficult for girls than guys to do these scenes ... it's kind of obvious, isn't it?
A biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig jaadu ki jhappi to everyone*Huuuuuuuuuuuugs*
ReplyDeleteThis is me Akash Bitwa season 1 style, coming through the hallway, stops to correct NK's english aka say his rare dialogue, climb up and disappear, Oh DAMNNNNNNNN, I love Akash bitwa, he fits in every situation, hayeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
In between preparation to packing which basically now is throwing out the clutter, 30 minutes into it, I decided to watch something in the bg just to take the monotony off and decided to watch MB Friday's epi.
Faltu points:
I really loved DD after a llllllllloooooooooong time, she was very good.
VD I am noticing has completely settled into his character and was brilliant. This guy is very talented and his character is very well written.
I do see some hope for DD and MB's character as here the writers seem to be keen to ensure MB is fairly balanced if not equally interms of RK's character.
Now my grouse:
MB has all the makings of equalling IPK, If only the following happens:
Director needs to get out of IPK hangover, MAJORLY.
DOP, it is high time this chap/s know what is the best side of the actor and it is especially evident in RK's case. In some shots he suddenly looks very mature and in some he looks boyishly adorable......so much so for me, it kinda gets a bit annoying to different time travelling in one one minute of the same character.
Now I understand GH is (still) the scriptwriter and maybe his diktat is recreate IPK magic or whatever, here it is upto the director to ensure IPK Hangover is not so obvious (MIND YOU, if you are someone who has never watched IPK, maybe the similarity might not be so obvious).
So let me start:
MB had the best look in the show in her initial days especially when she meets RK for the first time and then they kept on experimenting with the styles, which were pretty Mehhhhhh...Friday in the gown, she looked gorgeous.
Now If you look at the appearance, she is wearing the same tight fitting suits, hairstyle, bag on the shoulders just like Khushi.
Now the Red gown vs red saree is replayed as MB is forced to be the BD of the actress and has to wear a gown (SN - Dunno what the fuss was, if I remember she wore a pretty sexy blouse, but okay hindi serial hai, whatever)
So as the photoshoot crew, oops I mean Film crew watches and DD is scared, humiliated, defiant, vulnerable (loved DD here), as RK removes the stole from her gown, she closes her eyes, teardrops fall on his hand, exact place as in the Guest house confrontation episode, he stops and calls for pack up but nicely tells the director, they can deduct the loss from his paycheck,lol.
Anyway later, GH style confrontation happens marred by the fact that while San was allowed to completely go berserk, here I found it was a bit restrained and not so slick editing didnt help matters either.
MB PH has to be one of the best ones around, they are more planned, have more budget and have good actors, if only the Director, DoP & Editor are given a kick in the bu**, This show can probably go even higher.
And I like this show cos a part of what we could not see in IPK, we can see in MB.
Soooooo, I agree, the above is probably much more than what Akash bitwa spoke in 6 months, but hey when it comes to me, Akash bitwa alwasys, SPEAKS....... A LOT....Like me:)
shwethu, love this review.. you bring sunshine whenever you come!
Deletegood luck with the packing and the move. big hugs to your little ones, too.
i am not watching MB, so steering clear of every MB discussion.. but have to comment on the DoP of the show.. you are absolutely right!
Shwetha - lovely - you summed up the points of the 50-60 odd posts in some juicy Akash bitwa lines!!! well done
DeleteAnd i completely agree - was my question too - whats all the fuss about a dress that covers all of you Including a lot more of the back that was exposed in all the sarees!! (us indian hypocrites, i guess :D)
you moving? where are you off too? you must be busy with final exams - best of luck to the kiddos
Shwethu, agree with Jaya - you are the sunshine girl of this blog! *HUGSS*
DeleteHehe ... I was going to make same to same comment on Madhu's dress ... but I've already made two chappal-worthy comments ... third one would be a bit much!
Then again, no one can ban me from this blog ... so WT heck! :P
Actually a different thought came in my mind when Madhu's dress ka sleeve tore ... I thought replay of hut scene, now RK will tell her to go change, and she will change into a barely there blouse and transparent saree ... chalo, chodo, that scene will come another time :P IPK ke bahut scenes copy karne ko pade hain!
Acting of DD and VD is good ... logicwa ho na ho.
Mona: I like RK with your disclaimer in place, I like the way it is written, I dont head phodophy on the analysis as I am consciously trying not to get too attached.
DeleteI am moving to bangalore by March end.......It is happening in parts, hubby, then samaan and after the finals, the kids and I, Having a fantastic dimaag ka lassi time in AD at the moment and hence hyper bak bak ::)
Jayu, Diya, You called me SoorajChamkili of the blog, Awwwwwwwww
Jaya, The DoP has this strange fixation of shooting from circular, square shaped holes and woh bhi andheray may dunno why???
WAISAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Apparantly, they are going to replay, the holi wala hamaari dhadkan ek ho jaati hai scene...apparantly there is a party, both get drunk and confess,
Say it with me,
SATYANASH!!!
And now I am kicking myself out of here, so I can get some work done , feel better, feel tensed, Bak(was) karo, best solution for me:)
*Hugs everyone*
Waisay dia, chappal worthy comments kay baad get yourself promoted to making shoe worth comments. Go ahead do it, We all Love our screens too much, we wont throw anything*wink*
Shwethu ...
DeleteSATYANASHHHHHH!!!!
I love your MB reviews ... as I'm watching exactly the same way ... dekho, bak bak karo, aur bhool jao!!!
GH bhaiya ... story copy kar li, theek hai, screenplay toh mat copy karo!!!
Am out of here ... I need to pack too!
Mona, Shwetha,
Delete- whats all the fuss about a dress that covers all of you Including a lot more of the back that was exposed in all the sarees!! (us indian hypocrites, i guess :D)
Actually I disagree with you both here. (Purely because, when it comes to MB, I have to disagree with Mona. That is the golden rule of the blog. *wink*)
I am not some one who wears noodle straps or off shoulder tops...I do occasionally wear sleeveless...depending on the crowd.
And I have not felt uncomfortable watching Madhu or Khushi in those cholis...but the moment Madhu had to take off the stole...I felt bad for her. I can imagine what I'd feel like if I was asked to wear something like that...it'd be like wearing a towel...so, I am not arguing for the sake of argument..I will be comfortable wearing sleeveless and low- back, in the right company ...but I cannot imagine going out bare shouldered. Even if it is just two straps holing the blouse, with a saree draped over it, I can manage (In my dreams! lol.); I can't even dream of being seen bare shouldered.
It is not what people see. For me, it is the feeling. Don't know if any one gets what I mean.
I do, I totally do:)
DeleteShwethu,
DeleteHappy packing and moving.
Loads of jhappis to keep you going :))
cocktail trailer with IPK scenes: funny!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDURnuTxhfg
Arnav and Khushi Mere rang main rangane wali vm : this song is so perfect for that time in their life! loved the scene selection .
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ6Pvna_mbc
*HUGGGGSSS....* Shwetha,
ReplyDeleteI can see you are as excited as I got when I started re-watching MB. And you pointed out the things that irritated me a lot...the IPK similarities..which WOULD HAVE STILL WORKED, if they were done well. So, it is like gearing up for a duplicate IPK, but it comes across as poor copy.
I have always felt that MB had a greater potential than IPK as a love story...somehow, they don't meet my expectations even when I try to keep it low.
On VD- I agree with you totally. RK as a character does not draw me at all, but the only thing that draws me to the serial is VD's portrayal, plus his dialogues. At times it is also Bittooji, and sadly, only occasionally, DD as Madhu .
Yes the PH seems loaded, only, I wish they spent more on getting a good director and DOP. That would do wonders to the show!
Array I am telling if you, if only they could rope in Arshad and HG, This would be in a totally different league.
DeleteVD continues to excel here, he is getting the Ek minute soft Ek minute ruthless expressions bang on.......He still has to master what BS excelled in, emoting through his eyes, but his face softening is almost bang on, and yaar Banda kya bolta hai re, His dialogue enunciation is PERFECT!!
Shwetha,
DeleteRecall seeing HG as DOP for MB in the credits quite a while ago.
sorry not sorry to post this here, this is a BHPH VM, barun and ankita.. (i watched the whole serial online, so know the story..but i think you will enjoy it without knowing the whole story.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3V-nGT8mII
Guys,
ReplyDeleteSeems like Sanaya has signed on for Sony Show. I have posted the link in Sanaya's post. Check Tellychakkar which had this link.
Just posted it there and saw your comment :)
DeleteSounds interesting, waiting for a confirmation and who will be her lead?
DeleteJust for fun ... another one of Ragini's gems. For Arnav and Asad lovers :)))
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGSSbJwjc7w&feature=em-uploademail
exasperation squared! the VM was adorable!
Deletei'm waiting for barun to do a cameo on QH... just to get them together in the same frame... honestly, those two are so similar, no wonder BS was cast in a place etched for KSG!
Wow! KSG and Barun together..that'd be good!
DeleteGul should actually try that. After all, she did get KSG and Gurmeet together, even if it was the channel's decision.
Did any one notice the uncanny resemblance between Barun and KSG when they get their hair gelled. I almost thought I was watching Barun when I watched QH yesterday.
yesterdays episode was brilliant! finally they got a great editor.. the moments were flawlessly linked.
Deleteyes, in the scene where dilshad is looking for the doll among three other dolls.. asad looked almost exactly like arnav. deja vu..
but the next scene, on the boat.. wow. what great DOP. almost milking the emotions on their faces. the scenes (story) were gripping too.
Madhubala is annoying me TREMENDOUSLY!!!!!
ReplyDeleteNo, not for the story or such stuff ... the way it's being aired her is HIGHLY ANNOYING!!! The evening episodes are about a week behind India episodes ... and in the morning they air the previous day's episode. Do you have any idea how confusing it gets?!!! If I catch one episode in the morning and another in the evening, it's like being in a time warp ... back to last week, then back to today ... back and forth like a yoyo! No wonder I can't take part in any discussions ... I'm conphoooosed!!!
No reviews on Saraswatichandra yet? Tied up with work but sneaking away for regular breathers to R&R...........
ReplyDeleteGlad to hear Sanaya is returning to the small screen - Hallelujah! Finally a show to watch, thank goodness!
For a completely hilarious review of Saraswatichandra - First Day First Show, kindly check Jamba's Take 5!
DeleteHaayyeeee, brought back memories of the good old days!!!
Hello Hi Bye Bye to SC
Vaise, her review is pretty much spot on :)))
I just fell in love with Jamba, BAS!!
Deleteomg - this was perfect! I cant stand SLB so will not be watching the show but sure hope this chick continues to write - she is a riot!! love her
DeleteThis was a perfect take!
DeleteSo, it is not just me. Thank God!
What I liked:
The opening scene with 'aayiye..'..I really liked that. The maker was inviting us to get comfy, get seated and watch the tale..I was like..BRILLIANT!
After that, it was pretty much average.
Reminds me of PKDH with a whole lot more of melodrama.
And why Jenny? Riddhi is so much more better. And Sanaya? It was too early for her? I don't think the possibility came up.
Jenny: Seriously, did not look like heroine material for me.
I feel the show will rake in good trps like PKDH. People are not looking for 'subtle' out there!
(Could someone clarify this? I thought that dip in the water was soorya namaskar...Isn't that done at dawn?
He couldn't have had the party so early, right?
Or this is a different pooja? Just wanted to expand my GK on the culture bit.
If that was a blooper, it was pretty bad one!)
Saraswatichandra review from Tellychakkar
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For the first time I agree with Tellychakkar. It didn't impress me at all. Let's see how the week goes by.
Dia,
DeleteThanks for that. Jamba is a pataaka!
Btw I see you've been running away a lot lately. Khushi ke after effects ;)
J
I loved that you actually gave D options of which brand she would like to have thrown at her. LOL!!
Khushi? Or Jenni? I thought Jenni was the energizer bunny now ... taken over the mantle!
DeleteTeam Sarun's interview with Barun ... link posted on main post. Sweet - have enjoyed all the TS meetings - they were better than many of the professional journos! Wonder if they're going to post the video.
ReplyDeleteSong dedication to BS (Just got confirmation, packers are coming on Friday and I am panicking as I have not even finished 25% of my packing, so when I panick, you know what happens:)
DeleteChehra chupa Baalon main
Baal kataalay (Jiski bhi ho tum) Jaan
Voucher lo aur Bhaago
Salon is waiting for you (Jiski bhi ho tum) Jaan
*ducks*
waisay Ditto diya, Awwwwwww, that was very sweet:)
BG or the newly christended SurajChamkili,
DeleteTere panicking ke naam arz kiya hai..
Yeh brown brown aankhen
Yeh kaale kaale baal
Yeh jungle jaisi zulfein
Yeh baal hain yaa jaal
Dekha jo tumhe jaanam
Dikhe bas baal hi baal
*gets set to catch the stuff thrown at me*
Sandy,
DeleteIn full flow!! BJ in a parody ka mood??gud hain boss...
kahaan baal? all i could see were those eyes..
DeleteJ,
DeleteThe recurring theme has been baal for most....but yes i couldn't agree more with u....ah well!! beauty is in the eye of the beholder.....
Wohi toh jayu, tumhaay aankh hi dikhay, bhaat about ressht of the phasewa??*wink*
Deleteps - Akash bitwa season 2 is doing a good job in PVre, nope didnt watch the episodes, but saw one precap.
"teri ankhon se nazar nahi hatthi, chehra hum kya dekhein".......hehehe
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DeleteSandy, Shwethu ... waah waah ... too good!!! Parody ka fultoo mausam!
Arz kiya hai ... "baalon ke peeche kya hai, baalon ke peeche" ...
Vaise BG, do you realise, your new name can be abbreviated to SC ... saras che!!!
make it Shwets Che.........Waisay don't you think 1 Shwets hi bahut zyada hai, do your really want Che aka 6
Delete*Thinkwa vey* lol
With u surajchamkili aka Shwets Che, its more the merrier....we love to have more of u...ek, be, tran, chaar, paach, che...all welcome!!
Deleteawwwwwwwww rekhs,hugs bey!!!
Delete"teri ankhon se nazar nahi hatthi, chehra hum kya dekhein"..
DeleteRekha, wah wah!
i dont mind long hair.. i think i fell in love with hritik roshan back in the day, before he came into movies.. he had long hair.. and those captivating eyes.. sigh.. (uhh i sense something similar somewhere here, do you?)
I know we don't discuss AD here but i am at my wits end and so need some advice;
ReplyDeleteFor all the mothers on the blog - HOW DO YOU DO IT?????? how do you make decisions and how do you manage to be such good mothers? i was not satisfied with the school my kid was attending (and being in the development sector, specially education - it complicates things as i want the moon and the earth!! (and the stars thrown in for good measure!))
So i tried and tried and finally have gotten admission for her into another school - not one of the top ten schools but a reputed, old school - a convent - and now i am freaking out - did i do the right thing? will she be happy? will she get the space to participate in co-curricular (she is confident kid - loves public speaking and loves to do everything but sit down with a paper and pencil!)
So basically - i am trying to think if i am going down the right path or ruining her life - am i over thinking or not thinking enough? - doing right by her or messing up big time? OK Mona - breathe in breath out - (and the worst thing is - in general i am a cool headed person and was always damned confident of what i wanted - but for her, i am so worried that i might mess up) aaggghhhhhh!
Monu,good mothers pata nahin, our kids will have to certify that:) We all are including you driven by doing what is best for our child with loads of guidance from godjee.
DeleteSchool, my experience:
No school is perfect re. You might find yourself having to supplement couple of things at your end. Some of the top academic schools I know are driven by academics and everything else takes a backseat. Some are more balanced, atleast try to be and you will find parents grumbling, teaching is not great, extra curricular activities are not great yada yada.....
I will talk about my experience so hopefully you might get some idea.
When looking for new schools, I was very clear, I wanted a school which understood my kids as they require special support. Not too crowded, extra curricular activities and friendly positive & safe atmosphere. Oh yeah plus point if it is not too hifi and people are more grounded, know what I mean?
The new school you have put her in, do you find it friendly & positive in its approach. Is your daughter happy, you will know after some time ofcourse, what is her feedback on friends and teachers.
Ultimately it depends on what you want from the school - is it the academics you are keen on, the overall development and decide if the school fits your bill.
Lol, at freaking out, I do it every single day when I send them to school and now that they will be in a new city, new school, I know I will go absolutely Mental:)
Best wishes to your kiddo*Hugs*
Mona, Shwetha,
Delete*HUGS*
I am in the same boat as you. My son is in the best school available in the locality for the past 3 years. Many times I have been frustrated enough to take him out of there..it is too 'class- minded' for my taste...PLUS the most irritating thing is that the teachers are not welcoming or approachable.
And I KNOW they don't take the trouble to understand each student. The shy kids get neglected. Not that much of a problem because my son shows active interest in participating, when he has a choice. The problem comes when the teachers choose who participates EVEN IN A FANCY DRESS competition!
I have stopped raising issues, because I really don't want to be seen as too pushy.
I checked out some new schools...problem is, I can't keep changing schools with the big donation that goes with it.
Sigh...if we lived in a perfect world, I'd send him to a Govt. School, because they simply HAVE THE BEST teachers...and kids pick up so many things...
These are my worries...thankfully my mom worries more than me. So, I get to tell her, "Chill...I was not given half these opportunities, yet I turned out not so bad".
But I do know this: The quality of the teachers as well as the system of education as such have come down drastically compared to our times. There might be a few exceptions; in my experience they are very few.
Convent: The thing about nuns is that they don't have anything else to worry about than their job. They don't have to worry about a husband, kid, ailing parents...their job gets all their concentration. So, most of them are guaranteed selfless teachers, provided they are not bitter about their choice of lifestyle.
Anyway, sounds like you found a nice place for your girl. Hope things work out.
Monu,
DeleteChill...I know mothers (parents) always to worry about whether they have done right by their kids...its never easy...for me the important thing has always been...are we ready to be questioned and be able to articulate why we took a particularly difficult decision...my own experience has told me that kids are a resilient lot...far far more than we ever give them credit for..and the important thing is they adapt to newer situations very well even when they go into it with reservations....its like this..elders, imo, are far more prejudiced about these things ....children may have strong opinions but they shed inhibitions faster...(yes...they do have to be encouraged with the progress they make and any signs of stress have to noted for along the way...thats pretty much the best a parent can do and Importantly....keeping channels of communication open all the time....esp in moments of strife!!
Mona...i am sure u r doing a great job....and ur little big girl will be fine in the new place even before u know it....
Shweths...good luck with the moving...tera dimag ka lassi pi rahen hain hum...pass it on whenever u churn it...its a lot better than whats on tv anyways....*HUGS*
Phewww! so i am not the only one freaking out :)
Deleteexactly - i don't want only academics - i want her to be able to participate in other things as well - her present school (she changes in April) did not do justice to her confidence and her love for activities - she lacked exposure here (or so i felt)
the new one (atleast on the net) is more focused on sports and co-curr. and yes again - safe happy environment with not too hifi surroundings (i can't afford it and even if i could - i would not - want her to be a part of the system, a happy contented and well ground citizen of our normal world - not to create a new world on her own!)
i guess its scary coz i am "supposed to know" what is best for her - and by God i know nothing!!! - (and the worst is i cant blame anyone else if anything goes wrong ;)
Best of luck to you for new admissions - i know what a pain they are!! - inshallah you will find the best place for them too
Mona,
DeleteMy 2cents - every school offers something but not everything - you have make a decision as to what is important to you and your child.And the main thing is we as parents have to chip in to make our kids well rounded citizens. So I try to teach at home and complement the teachings at school.
For me the school should teach them social behavior as that is something the kids learn in school better than at home. Academics I am not that bothered because I believe more than academics it is your personality that takes you ahead in life and like Raju Rastogi says in 3 idiots - I am confident I will do something good with my life, I too have confidence that my girls will turn out just fine.
Yeah few things I always remind them at home are about honor and responsibility. And one thing I always remember is my mother's words(she is no with us anymore) but she always used to say - As humans we always think that we have everything planned out but there is something known as destiny which guides us and always believe that whatever happens happens for the best.
So if I go very hyper and over think about my kids future, I remember my mother's saying. Like they say 'victory lies at every single step and not at the end of the race alone', I do my work in helping them in studies and trying to provide them with good support but at the same time I hope the destiny takes them ahead in a good way in their life. So just don't worry too much Mona - Things will turn out just fine.
Psarada - you know that's been my philosophy too - i remember once reading a Family circus cartoon where the dad is telling the son that he should not try to reach the gold at the end of the journey but enjoy the pots on gold on the way and the kid having two points as imagination - one was a looong straight road at the end of which there was great light and in the other illustration = the kid was jumping from pool of pool of small bits of light scattered on both sides of a curvy line!
Deletei loved the cartoon and totally believed in the second illustration - but i guess i loose it sometimes when it comes to my child - i want to give her the best and sometimes i wonder if i am even giving her the basics! and i agree - honour & responsibilities are key - if only i can pass them on faithfully
Monu,
DeleteSupermoms we are not though we want to be. It is our fitrat to want the galaxy for our kids and ensure the best out there for them. How do we know it is the best is the million dollar trick question.
Good mothers or bad is for our kids to state much later down the road. Just be a mum Mona, the one every kid comes homes to, to show that bruised / scraped elbow or knew for a hug when she is feeling sad, for a godi just to cuddle or to confide in. Don't fall into a trap of am I good or bad or better ot worse. Know that you make the best in the circumstances around you and make sure you do give it your best shot.
Make sure your girl is happy and blossoming in the new school. She continues to talk, engage and her interests grow. You are not privy to the future neither can you save her from every fall.
Just be alert and give her the wings to fly. And inshallah she will make her mark and make you proud!
SN: Liived the cartoon illustration you spoke of.
Sandy
Deletei thought you had ditched us :)
thanks - feel much better now - its important to just vent some stuff out time to time- and i so want my baby to keep coming to me for the magical hug that cures all ills!
sn - that cartoon - have never found it again - so wanted to frame and give it to my kid! i too totally live by it
Sandy,
Delete*hugs*
Have you settled in?
Loved your thoughts and the way you put it, as usual.
Monu, *HUGS* ... saw this at the airport on my phone, and couldn't reply till now ... and the girls have already given you lots of pearls ...
DeleteI read a saying somewhere, was trying to find it for you ... something like
I've seen a lot of mothers who worry whether they're doing the right thing for their kids, whether they could do better ...
Their kids are the ones who turn out most sorted and happy in life ...
I've seen mothers who are confident they're doing a great job with their kids, and don't want to change a thing ...
Their kids turn out messed up and clueless ...
Parenting doesn't come with manuals ... and there is no 'right' thing ... my experience has been that as long as you keep channels of communication open with your child, and keep an eye on the important things - is she happy in school? does she have friends? Is she taking part in things she likes to do? ... then you can get an idea of whether she's doing okay or not.
As long as my kids were happy in their school, they did well ... the moment they were unhappy, they stopped taking part in things they liked to do, then I knew there was trouble. Your daughter's young - you could do things like get involved in her school, offer to be room mom, help out in activities ... that way you'll be able to keep an eye on her and see if she's settling down okay. And if she's happy, she'll do well ... You've already done what you could by your choice of school ... I went to a convent and I feel they do provide a good mix of care and discipline ... which is important - kids always try to stretch their limits, and it's good to define those limits, and then leave them to explore within them.
And kids are resilient, they bounce back and settle in ... she will be fine, as long as she's happy, and as long as she knows she has you at home to come back to. Academics will take care of themselves as long as she is settled.
Sandy ... love the way you put it ...
tch tch Monu,
Deleteditched and me..arre yaar! where will I go if not for the bak bak adda.
Su,
I am yet to get unsettled as AD main things are still getting into place for the move.
Dia,
As a mum I enjoyed what each of you girls wrote out there - the worry, the assurances, the experiences. Just tried to add in my lil bit.
Dia - you just made my day! "I've seen a lot of mothers who worry whether they're doing the right thing for their kids, whether they could do better ...
DeleteTheir kids are the ones who turn out most sorted and happy in life ..." - loved this - have not stopped grinning :D
yes i get what you all are saying - that's exactly what i want, i want her to participate and enjoy - and being a very social confident child, she enjoys extra curricular - something that was lacking in her last school
academics- i was one of the coolest moms as far as results were concerned - very "dont put pressure on the child" kinds - However, have realised that not ANY putting pressure is not a good thing :)
I have always believed that she needs to do her best what ever that is - but that does not mean that if she puts in no effort she cant get away with "oh my best is this low"!
Dia, Sandy, Su, Jaya, Psarada, Rekha and Shwetha - though i may never meet your kids - i know, i just know they are confident happy and well rounded people - how can they not be - they have such great moms!
mona, ((hugs)) will reply in detail later when i have time, but this is something everyone goes through.. you're doing the right thing!!!
ReplyDeleteMB:
ReplyDeleteHe he...eating my words here.
I am loving this.
GH bhaiya actually answered my kosten.
I had asked, ‘why the continued humiliation?’
And then I saw ...SLAP! Wow! Loved that slap Madhu gave RK.
I am already beginning to symapthise with RK, though I doubt I will ever be able to empathise with him.
The lights go out. RK goes in search of Madhu. He DOES NOT FIND HER. He finds her in the darkness...tries to reassure her..BUT....Madhu is more scared of RK than the darkness now. She fights him, he ends up tearing her sleeve and she slaps him. (He he ...she is making a habit out of this! Not a nice habit, girlie. You can't slap him for every argument you guys have, once you get married. I hope you know that. FOR NOW, this was perfect!)
Why did Madhu slap RK?
Was it simply telling him to keep away from her?
Or did she really fear that he was hinting on intimacy as a revenge line?
I think it was the latter.
When Madhu walks back home, she remembers the gown scene...how humiliating it was to stand before him ...and SHE DOES NOT realise that he called ‘pack up’ because he was sensitive to her.
And this hurts RK the most. That she could think SO LOW Of him.
Hence he comes up with the new weapon...Dipali...ENJOYYY!!! Indeed!
I love Dipali and Madhu in the same frame. Well, they don’t have the ideal SIL relationship (pretty much understandable!), but they bring out SIMPLY THE BEST IN EACH OTHER- as characters and actors. VD also comes up with his best expressions with Dips, so I love it when all three are in the same frame.
Dipali is a point RK is trying to make to Madhu, and to HIMSELF.
1. You don’t affect me that much. I am not that drawn to you as you can clearly see the chemistry between us (Audience:All too clearly!)
2. You slapped me because you felt I was taking advantage of you. See what goes through YOUR MIND when you see me in the arms of another woman. (He is constantly checking out her expressions.) Search yourself, and you will see the same fire within you! You cannot deny it so easily that you continue to have feelings for me.
Only, will Madhu see that fire?'
Or will she see the first point. This is a man who can switch between two women too easily.
I feel RK is trying to douse the embers after he put out the main fire...he is succeeding. But he will find it very difficult to rekindle it now!
I do not watch, yet cannot resist questioning.. why is no one up in arms about a girl slapping her husband? is it because he is her husband? is it because he deserved it? is it because its no big deal when a woman slaps a man?
DeleteJ.....
DeleteWell...even i don't watch the serial and i don't know the context but let me be the one to say that I trust u to be the one to make this pithy and pertinent point.....*winks*
Well...I guess its politically incorrect to wonder about this.....thats all i can say for now
On a diff note...i have no hope in hell (atleast very little hope) for any GEC to make realistic posturings on men and women relationships..one is more likely to encounter misogynistic /feminist positions that do nothing for the cause of gender equality..in fact they erode it constantly.
While on this topic, i watched some time back a debate on NDTV about misogynistic portrayals on celluloid...the debate was moderated by BD and the panel had people like Shabana Azmi, PChopra, Tarun Mansukhani, Alyque Padamsee, Sudhir Kakkar,Shilpa Phadke and couple of others whose work i was not familiar with....
The thing is the debate per se, was about misogyny in cinema but somehow got increasingly narrowed to item numbers and freedom of choice..FOr all the debate, I only remembered one point that was relevance for me in the context of the debate mentioned by Shabana...she said that after receiving some reviews for playing a author backed role in THodisi Bewafai, she was taken aback when she visited a organisation where she was asked "Shabana, how could u play that role? U were part of a project where the hero says in the last scenes "Dekho Neema, tum samajh gayi hogi.Shauhar ke ghar ka dukh maike ke haazaar sukh se bhi badkar hain"...well she said thats when she realised the point of informed choice..Well well...some things will never change!!
Hmmm...J,
DeleteI feel those 4 slaps in the beginning- that started all this maha drama was TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR...it was immature.
But this particular slap- I enjoyed it. It was because he deserved it and ALSO because Madhu was cornered- she felt there was a threat to her chastity, esp since it came so close to the gown humiliation. Both are good reasons, the second one even more so, because she reacted in self defence.
But the first battery of slaps (Were there really four? or just one? Would a guy stand in one place to get slapped 4 times...it must have been one. I am not sure)...it belittles women. Makes it look like she slapped him because he insulted her or...actually I don't remember the reason. Did it happen after Malik was hospitalised?
Asad had a better excuse for slapping Zoya(which no one enjoyed, but he had a reason) , so did Dilshad.
Purely my perspective.
Rekh,
On Shabana's experience of informed choice...I'd call it this: Misguided Feminism
Su,
DeleteI did not get ur point on misguided feminism on the above quoted matter....u can explain for my benefit....
Shabana was mentioning that sometimes u end up playing some roles without understanding the impact of how things are or how they can get perceived...its better to do things as an informed choice, ...thats what she was saying!!
Obv, as an actor, its ur prerogative, what roles u want to be associated for or remembered for..if u wish to avoid portrayals that make u mouth or listen to misogynistic spiel..i think its well within their right.....
Su...to add...if u were talking about the comment of the women's organisation....i was not focusing on that aspect at all, tbh....that was the subtext in the whole point...
Deleteit was more to do highlight how there is greater damage in the way when an actor performs without an informed opinion..esp if it mattered to the artiste..i am not going into the space whether the organisation had any business commenting on an actor's choice...thats a diff thing/another debate ...so if u r talking about that aspect..i get ur point
Madhu's 4 slaps were perfectly justified. The girl was pushed to her limits. RK had ruined her sister's career after giving her false promises and later ensuring that she is debarred from entering the film industry. He pretended to apologise for it and got himself invited to Madhu's wedding and arranged to have them photographed together, only to float rumours in the press about their 'affair'. This resulted in the break up of her engagement. As though this wasn't enough, when Mallik and she went to complain about the media reports to him, he assured that he will hold a press conference to sort out the mess and when the whole chawl gathered in front of the T.V. to hear RK's side of the story, he proclaimed that it is indeed true that he and Madhu were having an affair. When Mallik went to confront R.K. for his betrayal of trust, his men bashed him up so bad that he was critically injured. When one man can bring about such ruin to her family all because she sought justice, how can she sit tight? Madhu went to the studio and slapped R.K. for all the torture he inflicted on her. It was a small price he had to pay for the magnitude of sins he committed against her. Is it justified? In my eyes, yes.
DeleteRekh,
Deletewhether the organisation had any business commenting on an actor's choice...thats a diff thing/another debate ...so if u r talking about that aspect..i get ur point
Yes, this was my point. BECAUSE
"its well within their right....." And feminists should learn to discriminate between fiction and reality.
Opti,
4 slaps...That is not what I would do if I were in Madhu's place. Not when I know what I am up against. For me, that'd be a stupid move, knowing how vindictive this guy is. And slaps are not an answer compared to what he has done.
My point is, I'd have filed a case against this guy. Slap would just put him down in front of the world, get him irked for more revenge and land me in more trouble. I wouldn't even want to touch a guy who could stoop to this level, if you get what I mean. I do understand it was needed from the story POV...I get that. But I find less logic in those 4 slaps than the other three. Now, if she had got a gun and shot him, that'd be perfectly understandable for me. :D
If I were in Asad's or Dilshad's place, I might have done the same. And Madhu's second slap...I can totally identify with that.
Before Dia puts a ban on slap related topics...wanted to mention this too.
DeletePersonally, I feel Madhu did a greater disservice to the 'impressionable' young girls out there than Asad.
It is very unlikely that girls will welcome the idea of slap- romance, watching Asad. There was no insinuation of romance in that scene. It was purely a guy venting out his frustration at the cause of his Ammi's near-death...a girl who had not seen the practicality of his argument and set out to prove HER POINT....no romantic notions there at all. He slapped her just like he would have slapped a guy.
No romantic notions associated with Madhu's slaps either...he deserved it. But the first 4 slaps could give the wrong idea to a lot of ANGRY YOUNG WOMEN out there...who might retaliate with a slap not gauging the situation...and end up paying for the consequences..it can turn quite ugly - there are many examples in real life.
Su,
DeleteI thought you were one among those who feels a show must be watched for its entertainment value rather than preach any social messages. If young women are to get ideas watching T.V. shows then I would say what sort of morals have they learnt watching QH where the heroine runs off from her wedding on the nick of time and invite trouble on herself and others? Why did she not refuse to marry the guy in the first place? And this woman is supposed to be a free minded NRI.
As to Madhu slapping another case on RK, just how much would that help considering the guy got out of the first one pretty easily and went about ruining her life? You are forgetting that it was the case she slapped that got her in to so much trouble in the first place. There was no romantic notions about any of the slaps.
I, for one, am immensely enjoying the show at present. Madhu's tackling the head strong guy is really interesting. Veera and MB are the only two shows which keep me engaged.
hey all - just saw a shot of ODG in n add for a serial on Sony - it said Coming soon and SI was sitting at a desk - her hair flying and her 1000wt smile!
ReplyDeleteDia - i should et a hug for this one:
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdZG5KYh4j4
Coool........so if they already have an ad shot, this would mean that all of this was wrapped up before she went on holiday to US?
DeleteAny which ways, happy to have her back on screen soon enough!
sanaya promo in sony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx7JP81eE04
Deleteher eyes! gorgeous pictures
Deletehttp://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3456411
Her eyes ... her eyes ... wow ... what a beauty!!!
DeleteI saw the promo on TV, and now I'm not too sad about not having Sony ;) ... find it nicer to watch on lappy and be able to rewind 10 times if I want :)))
Dia - just saw your question on Wives - here is my two bit - feel free to ask if i am unclear and will do the best i can, though i am not a scholar by any means
ReplyDeleteSo - in Islam - A man is allowed/permitted (NOT Promoted) to marry upto 4 times at a time. There is no dispute there BUT there are certain conditions. Will come to the conditions in a bit - first the validity if these marriages –
(1) all Wives are considered equal – there is no concept of a ‘choti’ ‘bari’or higher and lower status between the wives.
(2) One does not need a ‘permission’ from wife one to marry again UNLESS it was a condition stated in the first marriage document or is the rule of the country the person is residing in.
One very important fact about multiple wives - it is very clearly stated that the man has to treat all wives equally – give them equal resources (house, money, materialistic things) and ALSO give equal time, attention and love – the Quaran even says (just after the line where it permits men to marry more than once) - am not quoting, just giving the gist – “that you may not be able to do justice to all so it is better that you stick to one”
So if it recommends one wife – why the permission to have more – many reasons, some are:
- When Islam came – it did not give the permission to marry upto 4 – it actually limited the number of wives to 4 – in those days many wives was the norm
- Islam gave permission only to keep the doors open in case of need – meaning in those days (indeed till the modern world was established) men were fewer in number due to early deaths caused by wars etc
SN: a man can marry women who are not “mehram” to him – i.e. – mother, sister, niece, etc or sisters of his wife.
Hope this clears some doubts :)
One does not need a ‘permission’ from wife one to marry again UNLESS it was a condition stated in the first marriage document or is the rule of the country the person is residing in.
DeleteMona,
What is it in our country? You don't need the permission of the first wife, I suppose.
And it is all legal?
What I mean is, a man has one wife and he marries three secretly...provides them all, but gives the impression to each wife that she is the only one..no one'd be able to pull him up for it?
Unfortunately - no (legally he is married to all - morally he is cheating - so in the eyes of the law he is fine but otherwise...)
DeleteOne important thing is - every woman has the right to keep her conditions in a marriage contract - if they put this down as a clause that he cannot marry without permission - then that becomes a legal point
Mona, thanks, you answered quite a few of my doubts ... when you guys were talking about Rashid cheating on Dilshad with Shireen, that's what I was wondering ... that his faith gives him the legitimacy to have more than one wife, within certain boundaries ... what exactly are those boundaries? And is that a reason why Dilshad doesn't feel as betrayed and outraged by Rashid taking a second wife as her son does? The first time round, I mean ... when he left her the second time, it was because of the factory fire incident.
DeleteAnd for that statement - Islam actually limited men to four wives, they had more in those days. Very true, that is an aspect I had never realised ...
In ancient India, kings were allowed more than one wife too ... even commoners were ... if I remember right, Vasudev, Krishna's adoptive father, had more than one wife. That norm went out many years ago, of course ... society and its rules change with the times. In Islam, I think that one particular rule has not been changed.
Dia - an important thing is legality is one thing and using opening to suit you, another - so just like a child marriage is banned in India but if a child does get married - the marriage is valid (can be annulled but if not - will be a valid legal marriage) There are a lot of lines in the Quran about the husband wife relationship - about each being the other's partner - about each supporting the other - those are islamic dictates as well - so if you follow them - you really cant think of having many partners!
DeleteHumm - as for Dilshad not feeling betrayed - i will hold by my stance - that that is Guls's poor characterization - she did show Dilshad hurt but not enough - afterall apart from the legality of the issue - Dilshad and Rashid were supposed to be sole mates - completing each other - perfect understanding and all that - where did all that go - how could that not a=have affected Dilshad??
yippeeeeee good to see her back, she looks good.
ReplyDeleteIt is a show centered around her, hopefully she will get fantastic role, wardrobe and hair.
Hope she has loads of fun doing this:)
Okay have to get this out of my system, Is it odd that there is no mention of male lead yet, so if it is based around khubsoorat, she comes to stay with her Di post marriage (for whatever reason) and much much later the male lead is introduced.
hint hint......I mentioned this scenario earlier too, she gets a new show and maybe BS tapkofies much much later, gets to shoot his 15 days of TV, movies, manages both and the show revolves around SI mainly...?
*ducks*
Out with it Shwethu....tera real crush kaun hain tells tells? Bitwa Jr or Bitwa Sr?...
DeleteHugs...hope u are having a gud time with the moving and shaking? Tireless activity though it is...i learned somewhere along the way that these moments are ripe for humour esp the ones at our expense...so all the best and don't forget to enjoy!!
aiyoo, no crush bey, it is ulta decoding at its worst:(
DeleteBS says he agreed to do a cameo,never got a call for it,
male lead has not been mentioned at all which is odd, usually both the leads are finalized at the same time and atleast few names are dropped ki they are in consideration.
show revolves around San (about time!!), so her hubby will not have much role to play I think
BS said 15 days tv shooting suits him fine.
So you have in an ideal situation,
sanaya is the main lead, PERIOD
BS does Akash bitwa season 1, which takes care of his paycheck
BS does movies which takes care of his BW aspirations plus variety of roles and if another movie crops up, they can always send him abroad for some assignments.
win win for everyone.
Okay guess I am a bit bummed as her Ishqwala love costar will not be her costar here, was really really looking forward to karan grover-sanaya.
let us see...
Hyper bak bak at its best..
PS - Saw the promo of sanskaar, another SATYANASH MOMENT!!
Hero has a dhak dhak moment, places his hand on his heart
Anti hero tapkofies from Helicopter.
Something else was also there, don't remember from that promo...
Yes it has been seen loads of times on movies, but tell me the above does not remind you of IPK...
ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
SAW MB is wearing Khushi dupattas which come with extra gravity:)
khushi dupattas with extra gravity.. :D
Deletethe funny thing is, i can imagine exactly what you mean.
According to Nishi Verma ... yes, she's still lurking around in the IPK forum, giving gyan on Sanaya's new show ...
Deletethe male lead will be shown in the next promo ... chalo, dekhte hain.
BS is not doing a cameo in the show.
Shwethu ki bachhi ... male lead itna bhi unimportant nahin hai!!! There is a full-fledged love story there, although nowhere as intense as IPK ... ML will be very much required all the time.
This is the position Sanaya is in today - I have to say, a unique one in Indian telly! NO names have surfaced at all, except for Sanaya ... for ANY of the shows she was being considered for! Seems like all the makers were in line - ki which show will Sanaya choose to do, then the rest of the casting will proceed uske baad!
Haayyyeee ... am so proud of my girl!!! *utarofying nazar*
More news on the Sanaya thread :)
Sanskaar has an anti-hero now?!
Btw, I saw that a new girl is entering QH as a triangle to Asad Zoya ... bhy for? I thought the triangle was Asad-Ayaan-Zoya ... so more people feel Asad-Zoya lacks spice?
Dia, blame it on nishi bey, what is she doing in iPK forum, pretending to be know all when she works for 4 lions and hence I wondered ki yeh kya ghotala ho raha hai??
Deletehave to agree and ditto proud, not only is she back quickly as a lead, she had options and as of now makers are promoting her. I wonder if they have even selected or have any idea what the male lead is going to do?
QH the original storyline had said something about asad marrying a old-fashioned(perfect for him) girl.. so maybe that is coming to pass.
Deletenishi needs to be nice to the IPK fans.. so will take her comments accordingly.
nazar utarofying sanaya.. she has in a great place right now, like you said.
sanskaar.. the hero has zero presence. needs someone to draw attention.. so far, it has been the bosswoman.. (opinion based exclusively on promos)
That boss woman is bugging me ... I have seen her before in some show, and I can't place it ... it drives me crazy when that happens! Anyone know her name?
DeleteGosh, it drives me crazy as well even when i have not seen a person..just the thot that someone is looking to place someone is enuf to get me into a tizzy..i do that with songs as well.....after reading ur post, i went to check the credit rolls to check who is this boss lady altho i have zero idea about this show except that it has jai soni in it....
DeleteI checked she is called Sujata Sanghamitra and i also vaguely remember her from some show...somehow vaguely remember her as the sister of a main lead in some show (sony) long long ago..can't remember the show..she had short hair..thats all i remember....(could be one of the ekta shows...the funny thing is i could not get any filmography for her...maybe she has not been active on tv)
Didnt this gal come in one of the BT shows, Kahaani ghar ghar ki ya kyunki saas bhi, one of the god knows what number of generation and acted in a few BT shows too...
DeleteShwethu,
DeleteHai re NK! Yeh kaisa ulta decoding tha.
I looked up the PH and their website lists SPA alongwith all their shows. So the cast of IPK is no stranger to them.
Supriya Pathak and Sanaya sound like a dhaasu combo. Kyaa pata they may rope in Ravi Dubey as the male lead after all he did do Saas Bina Sasural. Wonder who will essay the character played by Ashok Kumar?
DeleteDia,
She was the original sister in the Ekta show that used to come ages back which was the first serial in which ram kapoor and Gautami kapoor were teamed up. Ghar ek Mandir. After that she came in some Ekta shows, maybe even hum paunch and then I have not seen her around for sme time.
Yessss ... Usha, thank you!!! That's where I saw her ... years ago on Ghar Ek Mandir. Isn't that the show which had Gautami Kapoor as the lead?
DeleteApparently she came in Kumkum also, but since I never watched that, I knew I hadn't seen her there.
So I saw Sanskaar today, and found quite a refreshing FL, who confesses her love to her hero in the middle of a party, without waiting to find out whether he reciprocates ... and then is worried whether she hurt him. And said hero is as jhadoo as he was in SGP, and remembers his Granny's kasam ... so backs off from confessing his love.
*sigh* Mona, what were we saying about two kinds of heroes? Here's the second one!
And speaking of Gautami K, I saw SOTY on the flight ... and Gautami does NOT look good with her hair tied back in a tight bun! She has such a pretty face, but she looked gaunt with that style!
And speaking of SOTY ... the FL's name is Shanaya :))) But unlike our Sanaya, the FL in SOTY cannot act.
Speaking of SOTY, about half an hour into the movie, I was wondering - what's happening?
About an hour into the movie, still wondering ...
About two hours into the movie, still wondering ...
One nice scene with Abhimanyu and dying grandmom ...
Movie ended ... still wondering ... what happened?
And finally wondered ... is this movie by the same guy who made KKHH and K3G?!
move over Arhi, don't go too far by the way
ReplyDeletemove over RK-Madhubala, yeah you guys can go a little farther,
welcome the new passionate jodi in town:
Sikki-Dips..........Sikki rocks, so does Dips, when sikki pulled dips towards him, I was torn between trying not to laugh and acknowledge, yaar these two are are damn good actors!!
Good episode in MB today and just when you get angry exchanges, drama heats up, GH comes up with comedy to pour ice cold water on the proceedings,
SATYANASH!!!
Waisay VD ki dialogue delivery, Bittuji & dialogue writer rocked today.
And except VD, suddenly MB, Sikki-Dips looked close to 40 when all four of them were in the same frame, aiyooooo, the director and DoP, Grrrrrrrrrr...
vamp to vampire and many such great liners were there today, even if you dont watch the show, watch you will find yourself chuckling:)
watched MB today... shwethu, you made me do it!!!
Deleteloved the confident madhu.
sikki-dips... i'm turning a fangirl too.. in fact, CK has been wall decor for so long, it sort of stunned me when he had dialogues and the spotlight on him. he's pretty good!
Okay dumb question:
ReplyDeleteWho is saraswati chandra - hero ya heroine ya is it like Arhi, saraswati is heroine, chandra the hero, reason I read that the hero has a weird name or something so wanted to clarify...
Shwethu,
DeleteSaraswati is the name of the hero's mother. After his mother dies, the father marries another woman. Then the boy decides to have his mother's name in his name and he is called SaraswatiChandra. Looking up Wiki on SaraswatiChandra and you should be able to get a summary of the movie and the novel. I saw 2 episodes but didn't like it. Today couldn't even watch the 3rd episode.
Hi ladies.....What fantastic news about Sanaya! Our Sunshine Girl deserves every success..she has worked so hard!
ReplyDeleteOn a completely different note...can anyone recommend how I can get downloads of the IPK episodes...I am still in major withdrawal...I am looking for good quality downloads....If anyone has them downloaded, would someone be willing to share?
Pleeeej?!!!
harini, helloooo! long time no see!
Deletei watch most of the episodes in YT, others in dailymotion. desi tashan or desitvforum has a good archive to look through.
downloading.. well, i have used the youtube downloader, but not very happy with the quality. i think it would be better to actually buy the dvd set.. i heard it is coming soon... (but why would they make it a limited edition offer, i dont know.. it is not as if they cannot reproduce DVDs!
Jaya....thank you so much for responding to my urgent plea! I come here all the time....just to hang out and read what all you girls are talking about.....Nothing on TV has me riveted like IPK....as is the case for many of you...Also have a lot going on in AD right now!
DeleteMy problem is that YT has blocked most of the videos.....to my horror found out that dailymotion has done the same...I was up to the 189th episode, when this happened just 2 days ago....Am sooo frustrated! I watch MB on DesiTashan....but am unable to watch IPK...Actually it is all StarTV shows I think. If I wait to catch up on PKDH after a few days...those are blocked as well. Must try DesiTVForum.......I wish they would bring out the DVD set. Would buy it in a heartbeat!
Love n hugs!
one fantastic article.. i think most of those on IF know the author..indian-television-iss-bakwaas-ko-kya-naam-doon
ReplyDeleteread this, and come back here and discuss it, if you will?
J....tks for the link...
Deletei skimmed thru the article..a nice piece...basically its what many have been saying in diff ways...the article puts it all in one place.....in a pithy manner....
I guess the one reason i think of why TV can't change/experiment is the evidence of the famous 80-20 argument.....I just read today that YRKKH has completed 1100 epis...freaking.. what have they been showing for 1100 epis to keep aud attention...well if 80% of your aud wants to shows enlarged/dressed up versions of their own lives...why should the business think of making any change.....
at the other end of the spectrum, some new concepts are being experimented (game shows, music, dance and other reality shows etc) but the one place where the experimentation will be low will be the soap space...becos it seems people love to watch ruminated saas bahu cud....and as long as that happens i can only see gud male actors using TV only as a stop gap/stepping stone or a means to come back to if things don't work out in other avenues....
Undoubtedly, its a great place for female actors...parts are being written for them, most shows revolve around their character in some way or the other and the lead is guaranteed to be the frame doing "something" of substance....yes one can argue over the modes and styles but all female leads are surely hogging the limelight...Within that i appreciate the choices of actors like Sanaya..who have a clarity on what they won't be caught doing while deftly tackling the constraints in their creative space
An MB or a QH (not forgetting IPK)or a Tarak Mehta where there is a semblance of balance between male and female parts is few and far between...(ok my knowledge of serials having significant male protagonists is limited..so if i may be missing a few here) but the point is male actors will stop to question whats in the space for them after a little while...
well written, like Rekha mentioned ^ has been discussed by all of us earlier too in different ways and tones i guess :)
Deletei am only asking for a choice, let there be YRKKH or SSN, there might be audience for that, but pleaseeee give audience like us something to watch too, its not much to ask i feel, why cannot channels allocate a time-slot for shows like the YRF or the above-mentioned star one shows that had good quality but might not have garnered high TRPs, where there is a will there is way.
Nandini,
DeleteI guess for that to happen channels have to accept that some of the winning formulae (read IPK) will come with a Sell-by/use by date..every working formula cannot be a YRKKH.., classic quality/quantity debate but what makes it diffi is the economics in the decision..
Every once in a while there will be an IPK or MB so it would be a much better idea for them to allow for the strength of the story teller to emerge in certain cases...ofc this is something that hindsight can tell very well but I suppose that is the job of forecasters....they are supposed to understand the pulse of their audience and advise accordingly
We have been saying very similar things in R&R for a long time, haven't we?
DeleteThere was an interview with Gautam Hegde, where he made a plea for weekly one hour long episodes, and seasonal shows ... slowly people seem to be waking up to the fact that creativity is becoming defunct in tellywood ... much like it became in BW, before the new wave hit. Let's hope the chorus swells, and more people start experimenting. Now people do try to do something new, but the daily format just kills them after a while.
Here are the links to Raghuvi Shekawat's interview. He is the dialogue writer of Veera and MB (my two favourite shows at present). He also writes for Diya aur Bati Hum and Balika Vadhu. Must say that the guy is brilliant considering all four shows are so different from each other and they are all doing well. A large part of MB's success is because of his superb dialogues for RK and now Madhu.
ReplyDeletePart I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41dYCrM7Ljg&feature=youtu.bew
Part II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4qSfxKOYXM&feature=youtu.be
Opti,
DeleteAltho i have not been watching MB (i don't get colors)...the time i used to watch some epis online..i liked the dialogues for RK, they have a sharp edge to them keeping in mind his larger-than personality...not just good dialogues...the significant thing to me..is the use of syntax..u give a character like RK (who is an actor in the story)such lines makes it very believable...i used to see he has a tendency to pun with respect to his line of work...that is an interesting use of speech...
again DABH.....While the style of delivery of the actress doesn't impress me much in the few times i have seen...i can't fault the lines being used for her...she is supposed to be an educated person within a traditional setup so she is forced to choose her words carefully which i think is achieved as a purpose...I would say good attention to detail/characterisation....
Saw two epis of SC, set n all is very very nice, but somehow it did not create the excitement and interest in me to watch the third epi, so guess might not be watching it.
ReplyDelete@Veera.. epis are moving but quite slowly from the last 3 days, story is being built well, like we guessed here Nihal might end up helping Ratan in the farm. Looks like Veera and Gunjan has their own plan to get back at that evil kid, hope they do not get into more trouble.
busy with studies, so have not been able to catch up with anything else, guess will keep my schedules free for Sanaya's new show, heard it will start mid march or max last week of march :D