Happening after ages - a new post for the weekend!
Continue discussions here :)
Veera - have to mention the ladder scene on Thursday, Ratan's reactions as she rushed to save Veera, the way she hugged the little girl tight, and Veera hugged her back ... was that the first time Ratan had ever hugged her in her life?
The way Ratan rushed down and shouted at Ranvi for his carelessness in leaving Veera alone ... usse kuch ho jaata to? You would have been more hurt, you feel her pain more than she does ...
Was Ratan talking about Ranvi or herself?
Chaiji's joy at Ratan's love for Veera finally finding an outlet, be it in anger ...
Veera doesn't know how to cry ...
Ranvi shares his mother's pain and sense of abandonment - he too desperately misses and needs his father ... a growing boy's biggest need.
Madhubala
Qabool Hai
Na Bole Tum ... getting interesting.
IPKKND
Others
Khamoshiyan- Apparently Garv and Gauri got married on Friday. Yet to watch the episode. Mamiji (Utkarsha Naik) is entering the show.
Team Sarun's visit with Daljeet (Anjali)
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3417692
Forum32 Interview with Sanaya
All about Sanaya ... how she got chosen for the role, the initial days as Khushi, settling down into the role etc. - nice watch! 10 minutes long, and it felt so short! So good to see her again ... made my day!
Sanaya Irani exclusive forum32 interview with Gul Khan
Does Gul fancy herself to be the new KJo of tv? Whatever ... am glad it was all about Sanaya and her experience with IPK, and not about controversial stuff. Hope the second part has something about Sanaya's plans for her next show. *fingers crossed*
Continue discussions here :)
Veera - have to mention the ladder scene on Thursday, Ratan's reactions as she rushed to save Veera, the way she hugged the little girl tight, and Veera hugged her back ... was that the first time Ratan had ever hugged her in her life?
The way Ratan rushed down and shouted at Ranvi for his carelessness in leaving Veera alone ... usse kuch ho jaata to? You would have been more hurt, you feel her pain more than she does ...
Was Ratan talking about Ranvi or herself?
Chaiji's joy at Ratan's love for Veera finally finding an outlet, be it in anger ...
Veera doesn't know how to cry ...
Ranvi shares his mother's pain and sense of abandonment - he too desperately misses and needs his father ... a growing boy's biggest need.
Madhubala
Qabool Hai
Na Bole Tum ... getting interesting.
IPKKND
Others
Khamoshiyan- Apparently Garv and Gauri got married on Friday. Yet to watch the episode. Mamiji (Utkarsha Naik) is entering the show.
Team Sarun's visit with Daljeet (Anjali)
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3417692
Forum32 Interview with Sanaya
All about Sanaya ... how she got chosen for the role, the initial days as Khushi, settling down into the role etc. - nice watch! 10 minutes long, and it felt so short! So good to see her again ... made my day!
Sanaya Irani exclusive forum32 interview with Gul Khan
Does Gul fancy herself to be the new KJo of tv? Whatever ... am glad it was all about Sanaya and her experience with IPK, and not about controversial stuff. Hope the second part has something about Sanaya's plans for her next show. *fingers crossed*
Yes Dia, NBT is really getting interesting. It had slowed down a bit after a brilliant start but the PH is back with what they are best at - exploring the dynamics of human relationships in a sensitive manner. I don't like the track which is shaping up for prospective Nanhi's love story. Can't stand the actor. The story surrounding the trio of Mohan-Nanhi-Megha, however, seems interesting.
ReplyDeleteDia,
ReplyDeleteYou gave me a different perspective- on Khushi’s growth and Sanaya’s opportunity. When I see it like that, yes- there was a lot more for Khushi to do if she had to move on. It is a very good concept. I must say, now that I have moved on (at least this moment feels like that- I don’t miss Sarun- I miss Sanaya)- NOW I don’t mind if they come with ASR dead and Khushi moving on. It is the pain you felt when Mathhew died...would have been thousand times fold with ASR dying....I can still accept it if they come with a season 2...but not in continuity...that really would have been suicidal for the PH. This is a story you invested your emotions in , not for 6 or 12 weeks, but for 18 months....EVERY DAY...it is different. With a break for 2 months, yes that’d have been acceptable for ME.
And I don’t think they will ever come up with that season 2. It’d be easier to come up with a new show with Sanaya- whoever ...since the whole crew has really moved on.
On Veera, I rarely get to catch it.
Catchy REGULAR promos and the show delivers exactly that...all PHs need to wake up to this.
Do you think will Ratan will remarry?
I feel that may not happen for quite a while...because once Ranvi has a father, his mother takes up the role of maa- Ranvi will no longer be Veera’s anokhi maa.
I wonder if this might happen: Sampooran’s death disclosed- Ratan mourns- the finality of the separation dawns on her- some feelings between her and the guy (forgot his name- is he still around?)- village gossips- nothing happens till Veera grows up- somewhere down the line it is disclosed that the ‘friend’ did inadvertently cause his death- Ranvi who might have warmed up to the guy during his childhood starts resisting the new father figure....Veera who is more broad minded helps him to come to terms with their father’s death and the new man in their mother’s life... along with many other things that grown up Veera has to do.
DB interview: could watch only half...got bored.
But team Sarun sounds beter than most of these other interviewers- and good job!
watched television after a long time and came across Na Bole Tum ..., its interesting.
ReplyDeletethe story plot and the characters are good.
Sarada,
ReplyDeleteEveryone who was in the team says they were taken by surprise with the huge hit the show was. What do you mean by SI- BS chemistry?
Do you think SI and BS would have this chemistry if they were doing a behna show or even BV? IT IS SIMPLY THE WAY THE SCENES ATRE WRITTEN AND DIRECTED. This si what Barun emphasises on when he says ASR is not just his effort – it is the end product of a TEAM. And yes, they pick the best actors- SI- BS made it bigger than Gurmeet- DD, PROBABLY also(in case, I offend any Geet fans- since I have not seen much of Geet) because they were on a bigger platform. THAT DOES NOT MEAN the actors are everything. KSG – SI or Viraf- SI would have had the same chemistry.
Barun wanted to leave in Feb- SP forced him to stay back. No one – not even the great SP – ever dreamed Barun would really leave- they were willing to accommodate his movies at all costs – but they were not prepared for indefinite breaks....Barun’s uncertainty stumps most of us even now. So, I don’t blame the PH for not planning in advance, esp when it is SP who decides every thing- if SP felt BS would stay on and they could move on at a snail’s pace- the PH obliged. Plus, the creatives- which means a lot of interference from SP too- felt the comedy worked. I actually enjoyed the comedy, except for some dragging bits- that doesn’t mean I expect you to enjoy it too. Just trying to highlight that different viewers appreciate different things. Some are there only for the intense love story- any kind of comedy is distracting for them. Suddenly people start reading FFs and start attributuing different heroic traits to the character. People lose sight of the original characterisation etc.
I am saying this because I am seeing this happening right now in QH. On the one hand, people are finding Zoya too childish right from the beginning (she is, still and forever will be)and on the other hand, people are already screaming that they have murdered her. This is not how Zoya should be- etc. Now I have read a couple of very good FFs , but please keep in mind that they run only for 20- 30 episodes. Beyond that, the love story ends. Yes, they are written very well, but they are written over a period of time. The authors have no agenda like they have to keep the show running for 500 episodes etc.
Actually I was initially attracted to IF for the FFs, but now, I hardly ever read them- because most of them end up with Asad realising his mistake- apologising- caring for a sick Zoya etc. The same thing seemed to be going for Arhi too- though I do admit some of the FFs are very good.
I feel you are right- IPK started as a love- hate relationship and was to culminate in marriage and end with that. I have been screaming the very thing from the time of kidnap- that this was a love story and love story alone- so I had no hopes of seeing anything else. In fact, I was quite fine with the living props they made out of the other characters. (When Akshay and Deepali left, I felt it was OK- because I was NEVER interested in their love story- but there were some good tracks they could have thought up- apparently they did, but SP scrapped them)
‘The PH had golden chance to take this story to higher levels. If they knew of Barun's leaving in Feb then they should have at least planned correctly always thinking what they would do if ASR were to be eased out. Like they say in management classes -"prepare for the worst but hope for the best".’
DeleteThis is the bit that earns me the ‘stern look’ from Dia- you yourself said it was only a love story and that was all it was- at that point in time, and up till October- no one dreamed Barun’d leave- BECAUSE he stayed back in Feb, and right after that they accommodated his movie- WHEN YOU GO TO SUCH LENGTHS TO RETAIN AN ACTOR, YOU DO EXPECT A BIT OF LOYALTY FROM HIM- that was all the PH expected too. So, I don’t blame the Creatives for not seeing the doom ahead. For them, at that point in time and if you remember, even in October when the spoiler girls erupted- it WAS ONLY A LOVE STORY- and IT WAS mostly ARNAV’S story- it ended with him. This is why there were posts in the Forum urging the viewers to convince the makers to retain Arnav and not kill him off- few very well meaning characters who knew the story will not be the same for many viewers- I still maintain that the makers would have made a GOOD STORY out of Khushi moving on (actually there was nothing wrong with the track they prepared as Arnav’ s exit- THE POINT IS, THERE IS NO SHOW AFTER ARNAV’S EXIT!), no one’d be talking about BS-SI chemistry after a while (Lot of people would have stopped watching it whether they introduced the second lead one month before, 2 months before or 6 months before- the point is, it was about Arhi. NOT BS_ SI. (For that matter, if ASR had undergone plastic surgery, it’d have been more acceptable for me than a SECOND LEAD in any form over ANY DURATION OF TIME.)
Actually the BEST ENDING once Barun decided to leave was to pack up the show. They had delivered good entertainment- they could bow out on a high note. IT WAS THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT SP DENIED THEM, and I can’t forgive SP for that for a long time. And like I said earlier, it was good it ended- BARUN HAS MADE A VERY GOOD POINT- this should be a lesson for any PH or channel who wants to employ him in the future. He made that point for all the actors and technicians in tellywood. And in the long run, this will turn out to be for the better – it will pave way for a new system- more westernised, with limited working hours- seasons- which means quality entertainment. I don’t miss an IPK that could not have provided me Arnav and Khushi. I think there would have been very few viewers for it. And I don’t blame the makers for not missing a show of which the end was not in their hands. LM has described the feelings of the whole team- in fact, I think we as viewers tend to see the actors and creatives as two entities- with IPK (and I think most shows), they were just ONE TEAM.
I do remember reading here and there about so called rifts between Gurmeet and 4 Lions- You should see the off screen segment of the making of Lag Jaaa Gale (Mahasangam of PV- QH)- it was very heart warming to see Gurmeet and Gul having a good time shooting. I could not see any tension between them- but then, some people could call it a PR gimmick too. That is just Gul’s luck!
If you are wishing this: kaash IPK on air hota'. : I don’t understand why you are blaming the PH when Lalit Mohan who is not a part of the PH and is well known for speaking his own mind has clearly stated that the reason IPK ended was Barun. We all know that, right?
DeleteI find myself wishing this: ‘If only Barun had stayed back...’
And yes, everyone has moved on. A PH who has lost their most successful show in one stroke like that- and continues to bear the brunt of fandom’s anger - I’d call them foolish if they didn’t move on. Personally, I am not even asking for IPK season 2.
We all believe the Indian television industry has to undergo a major revamp- I think this is ONE THING WE ALL AGREE on- I just consider IPK and Barun as a step towards that. Think of it as a point being made- which will start yielding results may be 5 years down the line. See how Bollywood has changed from the 80s and 90s. The industry has become more planned and organised now. And we are getting quality stuff.
Our Television will improve too- just give them some time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcGdawToIzw
DeleteThe rapport that Gul and Gurmeet share.
Gurmeet teases Gul- "eye contact?"- nods his head playfully and laughs-"aha ha"
Su,
DeleteTelevision is already changing. There are shows which have fixed duration and crisp stories like Kismat. I think the show did not click because it was in the 11.00 p.m slot and that too in Sony which does not have a large following.
NBT gave a decent end to their season 1 and are back with season 2 which so far looks promising.
As far as 4 lions is considered my biggest grouse is their inability to hold their own and get swayed by fans and channel. This could be one of the reason why they shoot cut to cut which is bound to tire actors. No wonder Barun felt drained and decided to quit. I remember GC was frequently falling ill during Geet which was also being shot cut to cut. In fact they had once gone to shoot a scene from his house when he was recovering from malaria because they did not have the scene ready for that night. He is pretty fit now because PV shoots well in advance. He was able to juggle between the show and jhalak because of it. In fact all shows on air seem to have a sufficient bank episodes unlike 4lions shows which are always hand to mouth. MB is showing scenes which were shot nearly a week ago. This after VD have taken a two week break for his wedding. He was onscreen right through his absence, showing that the PH had planned and shot his scenes well in advance. There are also not that many BD shots in the show. Veera, BV, DABH all have a healthy bank of episodes so why is this PH not able to do this?
Coming to QH I finally realised what I dislike about the show, apart from the story and poor performances of the actors barring a couple of them. It is the background music, particularly the Mitwa tune and words. In fact I disliked PV for the same reason the BG there is not good either.
4 lion's earlier two shows had great background scores which lifted the scenes. Raju Singh made great contributions to both the shows. In IPK Arnav's background music, Anjali's background music and Arshi's Rabba Ve, all did their bit to enhance the scenes. I find that missing in QH. The tunes are not catchy enough and are quite jarring. Veera does well in all fronts but one of the high points of the show is the BG. It evokes all the emotions needed in the scenes. MB also have a decent BG, although not that great.
firstly Su thanks a lot for sharing that forum32 making of the song..
DeleteGul is really a sweet person i feel.. she is definitely not like the name the IPK fandom gave her, if she was like that she would never have faced so issues no.
at the end of the day it was the channel's call to pull the plug, PH was helpless, they were trying to salvage and SP did not give them a chance.
Deletethe only mistake gul did was give more than needed importance to the feedback from the ipk forum
as a silent viewer from outside, i found the feedback on ipk forum both fickle and volatile
firstly, they made a big hue and cry when ASR was shown negative, i even found an entry on one of the FB IPK fan pages by some lady saying that she will complain to the Broadcasting ppl in the govt and then Barun/ASR fans went up in arms even at the mention of the redemption track.
every time the PH tried to create parallel stories, the fandom went wild, for any long running serial how will it survive without subplots and if they say it was only love story then love stories will have a limited shelf life if more than that is needed then the pair has to get separated again, so then also the fandom had huge problem
i feel the PH was stuck in catch-22 kinda situation, there were only 3 options one end the story with Barun-Sanaya(they planned to do it originally i guess, but again SP wanted them to extend until SPL) second was to bring some other actor to play ASR if they wanted to keep arnav-kushi love story intact here i think Barun fans created a big hue and cry, which i really find selfish, nothing would have been taken away from Barun if someone else had played the later part of the role and it was Barun's choice to move on, ppl still remember Amar Upadhyay and Ronit Roy as Mihir, both are given their due, here am talking about the normal TRP contributing domestic audience, but Barun fans made a big issue of this. third option was to end Arnav's character and bring in a new character and slowly build up the story, which the ppl who wanted the arnav-kushi story had a problem with
the reality of indian tv is that scripts and storylines do change, it does not always remain what it was sold as in the beginning, that is how its mostly done and the IF fandom could not accept it, so the only thing remaining was to end the show.
sorry typo in first comment, i meant "faced so many issues no"
Deletei read there are equally confusing feedbacks on QH forum, i sincerely hope Gul and her team filter out the feedback and try to negotiate with the channel and tell the story they wanted to say at least to the extent that the characters and story line will not get butchered beyond recognition
and Su, there is always only one team, its only some set of fans who think they know everything that spreads all this "v/s" ideas
there are a lot to be improved, but it shall in its own pace i guess
oh btw was happy to see Arshad Bhai after a long time wiping khoosi ke aanso :D
one more thing i wanted to mention is Viraf was not lying when he said he had already started shooting for IPK from one month b4, starting of shoot for a show involves so many background work, so he might have gotten involved earlier than when audience came to know through the media, i also think that he had shot both for ASR and another character scenes, the PH was waiting for the channel's green signal bcus i saw in the last day shoot segment on sbb viraf was in the same get up as ASR
DeleteSu, I love you for your impassioned defence of Gul and her team! :)))
DeleteAgain though, to both you and Sarada ... I don't agree completely agree with either of you ...
Sarada says the makers were not clear what they wanted to show in the serial. The initial articles said that it was a story about a tycoon and his sister, and how their lives change when a girl enters, and how they find love. Arnav, Anjali and Khushi were the three pillars. The working title -'Didi ki Sauten' again shows that was the basic premise - guy, his sister, his love ... and of course, since she was the di's souten, we had to have the sister's love too - so he was the fourth, but the story could go on without him after a point, NOT without the three.
I remember we MJHT/Sanaya fans had this debate whether it was the right choice for Sanaya, we thought the story would be mainly about the guy and his sister, and Khushi would just be the love interest, but wouldn't really have much role apart from that.
And I think that is the way the story WAS envisaged. The initial 6-8 months were EXACTLY that. Anjali and Arnav's bond was given as much, if not more importance, than the Arnav Khushi relationship, and the same as the Shyam Khushi tangle and the Shyam Anjali marriage. The promos were about the love story between opposites, but the write up was about tycoon and his sister and how they both find love. So far, so good. The PH was very much on track till then.
The problem, if we can call it that, was that the chemistry between BS/SI just took over the show completely. Su, I don't know if the chemistry would have been quite the same with any other actress, but I agree that with a good actor like KSG or Viraf (probably), it would have been similar. I do feel that Sanaya was a surprise package to the team - I remember an interview with Rajesh Chadha, where he frankly admitted that.
And once the love story took over, the rest took a back seat, especially after SPA, when Star realised the golden goose they had in their hands, and forced the PH to concentrate on just Arhi, to the detriment of the story they had actually planned ... and when Star forced the PH to put in the kidnapping track to keep Barun on ... I agree with Su that when the PH and the channel had gone to such lengths to accommodate Barun for his movie, they did have the right to expect more loyalty from him.
Where I don't agree with Su ... again, wrap up the show because Barun is leaving. NO ... because the PH had done their job by fast-forwarding the Arnav evolution into ideal husband, there was nothing more for Arnav to do. So Barun could leave.
But Khushi's evolution into a tycoon's wife and a mature and understanding woman, was not completed, and neither was Anjali's evolution - they hadn't even started on that. In fact, according to the initial story sketch, Anjali's evolution and finding love was an integral part of the initial story, and because of the Arhi domination, they hadn't even touched on that. With Arhi out of the picture, that was a track they could now start work on.
All along I wondered why Daljeet had agreed to stay on, while Akash Payal left ... then I realised. Arhi had a happy marriage and lived happily ever after scene - Arhi story finished. Payash had a happily married and lived happily ever after scene - Payash story effectively finished.
But neither KHUSHI nor ANJALI were done with their stories ... there was still more to show for them.
And maybe that's why they never did Khushi's evolution at all, and kept her so childish - because they were waiting for the new love interest.
DeleteWhen did the PH decide to bring in a new love story for Khushi - that's easy - when Barun decided to leave, of course. If he had left in Feb, they would have brought in a new Arnav, because Arnav's story was nowhere near done by then (that's why I don't understand Barun when he says he was brain dead by Feb, Arnav still had a lot more to go through, more changing - there was scope for the actor) ...
but in September, Arnav had basically changed from ASR to Arnav, ideal pati, and they speeded up the final changes, BECAUSE the actor wanted to leave ... gave Arhi their happy ending ... bas, Arhi story finished. And Barun could leave.
And there were still two more tracks to work on ... one original track, that of Anjali finding a new love, and the second, that of Khushi finding a new life and maybe new love (depending on audience acceptance) - a track which was NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL STORY AT ALL, but came in because Barun decided to leave, and because Sanaya was equally popular, and Khushi's new love story would be a big draw in the second innings, more than Anjali's.
Yes, it would have been a new story completely ... maybe that's why Star decided to drop it - if Star has any sense, they should bring this back as a new show entirely - keep random actor's garlanded picture as Khushi's (rather, Sanaya with a new name) husband or fiance, and re-start this without the shadow of Barun hanging over their heads.
Again - did the PH have the motivation and were they interested enough to do this properly? I don't know. But definitely, for the last nine months of the eighteen, that's exactly HALF the show airtime, they had been struggling with lead actor issues, and very dictatorial channel pressure ... so they did deserve a chance with a new and hopefully more committed actor. But that's where they probably lost interest - if Zee gives them a freer hand, and the lead pair chemistry has not yet hijacked the entire story, then I don't blame them for giving it up and preferring to start afresh.
However, that doesn't absolve them of guilt in mismanagement ... if other PH's can coordinate shoots properly and have banks, this is an area that 4 Lions really needs to work on urgently!!! Then their actors won't get exhausted and burn out so early.
Dia,
DeleteYour last point is what I made but I think your blogger has swallowed it. The PH's lack of banks is inexcusable. When all other shows have a banks of atleast one week or more, 4 lions never learnt from their earlier show to build the necessary banks. This would have also allowed them to stick to their original plot rather than get swayed by fans/channel.
Released the spam messages :))) and agree with both Nandini and Opti
DeleteI think this PH has to learn to shoot enough, and more parallel tracks so that they can bank episodes ... that way they will not subject themselves to last minute changes due to the immature fan reactions ...
I think when they started IPK, it was 4 lions' first show on a mainstream channel, so they weren't big enough to withstand channel pressure. I heard at the start, they shot a bank of episodes, and when they submitted them, the channel thought they were too dark and made them re-shoot. That's partially why the launch was delayed by a week - the show was supposed to launch on 30th May, it started on 6th June.
Now with this big hit under their belt, they should hopefully be a little more confident and stick to the story they want to show, without buckling too much to either channel pressure or fan reactions. The fact that both their shows IPK and QH are doing well/have done well both online and on the TRP charts should give them that confidence, and should also get the channels to back off, esp Star Plus ... if they do another show on SP, that is. I do see in QH that they are making sure to show all the members of the cast and space out the scenes properly ... but then they did that in IPK till SPA 2012, and went wrong after that ... so it's early days for QH yet! Plus, I could be wrong, but I don't see the hysteria for this jodi building up to the same level as for Arshi. So in that sense, their story is safer!!!
Yes Dia,
DeleteAzad and Zoya have not clicked as a pair the way Arshi or even Maaneet did. The love story was stronger in the other two shows but even before the love story started Arshi became a craze. As far as the story goes, QH has not impressed me enough. Maybe I don't like the whole two marriage and its effect theme the show is based on. I have to admit though that the current track of Rashid's dark past on the one hand and hunt for Mariam by her family and its consequences is looking interestingly poised as it has a mix of mystery, comedy and emotional upheaval. I hope they don't frit it away.
Dia,
DeletePlus, I could be wrong, but I don't see the hysteria for this jodi building up to the same level as for Arshi. So in that sense, their story is safer!!!
Geet was the first one of its kind.
IPK had Sanaya and Barun who already had an estd. fan base-
QH- Surbhi is an unknown face.
KSG- his fans keep that forum going, I think. It will take a lot more time for them to click as a jodi. PLUS, I must say, Gul is not concentrating on the romance muuch yet- the drama is more gripping than it was in the other shows. That is what Gul wanted withh QH- she wanted to vbreak away from their usual M&B stuff- Arhi was all about Rabba Vey...Mitwaa is not that omnipresent...as a viewer, I am not expecting the romance to be soaring like the other two shows...that does not mean Zoya will not be like Khushi or Geet- it is a mixture of DRAMA, romance and comedy- as promised.
And I really hope it does well.
Like you said, the story is safer...THANK GOD!
'if other PH's can coordinate shoots properly and have banks, this is an area that 4 Lions really needs to work on urgently!!! ':
Can you imagine how long they must be spending to get the right angle, expressions etc. The QUALITY is different, that is why even now when you watch the YT videos (I don't mean the VMs, the scenes as such) - it gives you the quality of a movie..
.to DELIVER that quality, I bet they already have to work twice AS HARD as any other PH. This is why I am so passionate about defending the PH- and actually, I am not defending just the PH, I am appreciating the creative team for their massive efforts.
Dia/Su/Opti,
DeleteWas busy in AD and couldn't come online for a long time. I disagree with you Su/Dia on some things. I still blame the PH for the show disintegration, I think that is where we inherently disagree. First thing is the same thing has happened in Geet with just went exponential on IPK. First time is mistake but second time around shows the PH hasn't learned anything. Even in Geet there were lot of tracks that could have taken close to the main tagline but they kept on doing stupid tracks and they themselves have opened admitted that they made tracks for Geet which they themselves didn't understand but at that time Geet was the cash cow and they didn't want to let go of it. This was their own comment on their own website and not my words. And also with this PH they show interest only till the show recovers costs and then it is left to the mercy of the viewers - they completely lost interest. These are inherent working flaws with this PH. Also they ride too much on the lead pair clicking on and in fact I remember both DD and Gurumeet fell frequently ill when shooting for Geet. With PV and MB I see both DD and Guru managing much better, Guru went on to win Jhalak doing PV along side and DD looks much healthier in MB dare I say even chubbier.
Lack of banks is one of the problem and the other is all of 4Lions shows have limited shelf life. They can't extend their stories like Directors kut YRK or SNS maybe that is their USP. Then they need to be upfront with the channel when they are airing the show - see this show will have only fixed time length. Now maybe this may be the reason the PH and the channel were okay with the Barun's contract for 1yr. On the other hand all the contracts start out with 1 yr contract and then they are extended depending on the feedback.
I agree with Dia - the story was basically of Arnav - Anjali and Khushi and Shyam were the supporting pillars but Sanaya turned out the surprise package and also BS-SI chemistry scorched the screen within a month of the show airing. So even when the initial episodes were fun for the cast and the crew after SPL both channel and PH turned greedy after SPL and completely rode the show only on BS-SI even neglecting their story. Everyone left this show at one point of time. LM himself said got disinterested by Diwali time frame - why? That was the golden time of Arnav - Khushi love story. So don't you think the initial problems for this show and the story started from that time back. Then did the PH do anything to solve the problem. There seems to be lot more that has happened than that has come out - I think we should leave at that and not go further.
Regarding Barun leaving and him not having loyalty for the channel and PH - we still don't know what happened between BS/PH/SP. There were talks for sure and even talk of changing PH but still only BS quitting came out in open because maybe that was the easiest thing that they could quote and close the show.
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DeleteSomehow Barun doesn't come across as a person who is, how should I word it - arrogant/egoistic. Also he is not stupid to burn out his complete bridge with TV world and that too Star Plus of all the channels. He has been working from a very young life and he knows what life is like. And if BS is completely off SP's good books their executives wouldn't have talked about so high about him and also there wouldn't be talks of having SPL live with BS/SI in USA and other countries. My gut feeling is that there must have been some issues with the PH and BS otherwise there was no need to have the whole 'BS kept papers' leak fiasco. Gul had time to do 'Koffee with BS' but couldn't have given out a simple press statement - was she so busy that she couldn't have done it. I don't agree on that. After knowing the channel's wishes and fans pressure the least she could have done is to come out in open and give out a statement - be it defending her lead actor or be it telling out the exact issue on hand. I always felt that the news being leaked to a person who was a damn big hater of BS was intentional - She wanted the blame to be on BS for show's closure and she didn't want to take responsibility for any thing. That is where she loses out my respect. As a team leader you are responsible for the whole team. When the show was hit, I saw Gul was ready with her interviews that she conceptualized the show and it was her baby and all that. In fact everyone were little angry that the show's success was only being credited to BS-SI but there is a team that is out there doing the work. Absolutely agree on that part. Then when the show is closing where is the team ? where is the team feeling? why single out one person and discredit the whole team. That is where I feel bad for daljeet, deepali and Akash - they stuck with the show for some good characters but they never got their due. This is the only show where the characters mostly used their own wardrobe - all of daljeet's sarees were her personal stuff and so was most of Barun's casual wear and Karan's.
Gia when she moved completely burnt her bridges with SP and came out giving exclusive interviews and washed her dirty linen in public. That is where I think Barun is keeping quiet because he doesn't want to go bad in channel's books and even though he was taken aback with the ticker running blaming him for closure, he hasn't openly blamed anyone be it PH or the channel. His keeping quiet is also a reason maybe everyone is signing this tune of 'Barun wanted to leave so the story got over' so that the focus would be taken away from the PH/channel and their doings. Somehow from this whole fiasco the only feeling I got is that the issues that went in the background were much bigger than that came out and that is why I don't see any of the cast blaming BS alone for the closure. BS quitting was easier to quote and hence I think the channel/PH shifted the whole blame on him. And I don't think even BS was initially aware that everything will come on to him and this is where he got stumped. This is his learning curve. Next time onwards he would know how to let his stand know without it becoming a controversy and for his sake I hope he is clear when and if he eventually returns to TV.
And somehow I personally don't want BS to be back with 4Lions or SP channel. Both rode out on his hard work and just dumped him and no matter which ever way you look - it is unfair on him.
I think we can debate on this for ever but my feelings for this PH and channel are not exactly warm. SP was looking out for the No.1 GEC channel tag till SLB's show got on air - it was not as if it would have backed IPK forever. And even after 2 months I don't see an official statement from this PH - neither thanking the cast/crew for the hard work nor giving out an official statement.
Su,
DeleteThe show was supposed to be on air only for 2 more months. It was pretty much decided that the show would be off-air from Jan end. So for 2 months I would have taken up a story where instead of payash going to America, they could have shown Arnav going to America and Payash/Khushi making matchmaker for Anjali and NK and just show some random shots of Arnav missing Khushi and Khushi missing Arnav and could have closed off the show. Like Dia says the growth of Khushi as a wife of business tycoon and Anjali finding a true love for herself and moving on or moving on alone in her life were still left in the show. Like I said if the PH had the intention of taking the show for the next 2 months, there were lot of ways they could have taken it forward without riling out the fandom. The whole second lead coming in Khushi's life was the last moment thought and maybe Channel/PH might also had an issue with the role Viraf was supposed to play. And for 2 months there could have been some pretty good tracks the PH could have done without even Barun in the picture but they chose the tracks which they knew for sure would cause the biggest uproar - like Arnav dying and Khushi moving on.
Coming to Dia's point of Khushi moving on - Yes that could have been a good story but frankly for that the show should have been on air for more than 2 months Dia. Take Veera for example - After 2 months on air, do you see Ratan moving on ? No right. She is still waiting for her sarpanchji even when we didn't see their love story for more than 1-2 weeks. If Khushi moving on has to be the story then the PH/Channel should have had the story on for another 6-8 months at least on air to show this without making ArHi's love story any less and that was not the time that the channel had given the PH. The show was on for only 2 months and frankly in 2 months the move to next level in Khushi's life would not have been possible - my honest opinion. And maybe that is the reason even PH was okay with the channel pulling the plug because they had only 2 months of show time on hand and so they also readily agreed. Costs recovered and time to move on. I saw Sai deodhar's interview on tellychakkar saying that Khamosiyaan has to click as there is lot of people's livelihood riding on it and she was desperately hoping the show to click and be on air - because the invested costs have not yet recovered for the team. That is the whole funda for the PH I believe. Everyone fights for their show on air till they make profits and after the profits are recovered, it is really a pure business decision to have the show on air - If it makes good sense to have the show off-air the PH are okay with it and so are the channels. Only viewers end up with the wrong end of the stick.
http://www.tellychakkar.com/news/khamoshiyaan-has-clickthere-no-other-alternative-sai-deodhar
DeleteIf anyone wants to read sai's interview when Khamoshiyaan was put under radar.
considering payash.. was i the only one who noticed barun in his most recent interview, commenting on social media and the effect it had on his friends? i thought it was a direct reference to AD getting dissatisfied with his role and moving on..
DeleteJ,
DeleteI really liked the way Barun commented on social media and I am happy he is away from it. The problem with today's fans are they are very hostile and downright abusive. Sometimes I shudder when I read the bashing posts on the forum. Criticizing is okay but downright abusiveness is a total no-no. I think Akshay, Karan and Abbhas were really pestered on twitter and there were so many posts commenting on their roles. Anyone reading those posts would have felt dissatisfied. And also the PH never explored payash properly - it was like they were the link to get the ArHi story going in the gear and then they completely forgot the 2 characters Payal and Akash. After the hate marriage, the creatives completely let go of Payal-Khushi bonding, Payal-Akash lovestory and Akash-Khushi bonding. In the 1.5 months of kidnapping there were no decent scenes of Payal-Khushi. Maybe that also contributed to the dissatisfaction of both Akshay and Deepali leading them to move on.
Just one more thought our discussions set rolling in my mind:
ReplyDeleteHow would it have been if Sanaya was offered a Karan Johar movie and had to leave the show? (I mentioned KJ, because that is simply an offer you cannot refuse- plus I think LM mentioned Karan Johar in his interview- I got the feeling he wanted to convey that he’d have understood it if Barun had left for something big like that- he was disappointed with Barun for sure. I really hope he forgives him in the long run. )
1. She’d have been clearcut right from the beginning. No dilly dallying- ‘I am taking a well deserved break- there is something big coming up, which God- willing, will work out and I think I have worked hard, so please understand that I need to break away. And I really think it is better for the show that I break away completely.’ Sanaya fans’d have understood.
2. Barun fans would have bashed her up. How can she do this? This is the show that earned her the fame and how can she ditch us like this? She is unprofessional blah...blah...blah.
3. I am more interested in WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO THE SHOW? Would they want to show ASR moving on?
4. Would any one even want to see ASR moving on even 10 years down the line?
5. This is what I feel sincerely: ASR had no existence as a character without Khushi. But Khushi- however under written she may have felt to most of us- FOR ME, SHE WAS THE SOUL OF THE SHOW- and I’d NOT have watched the show with a ‘plastic surgery’-ed Khushi. (Which is not the case with ASR- I’d have watched a new face playing Arnav- especially when I know how hard they tried to retain Barun.)
And the credit for that Khushi goes to the person who wrote her and (I MUST MUST SAY) a LOT MORE to the actress.
NO ONE could have done even 1/4 the justice Sanaya did to Khushi.
if it was not for Sanaya as Kushi i would never have liked it. I really got interested in IPK when i got to see the Nainital track, Sanaya was fab in that and i agree if Sanaya was the one leaving, she would definitely have been more clear-cut and also i agree though ppl on forum claim that they would have fought equally if Sanaya had left, i have my own doubts, i am not judging the fans, to each their own, but all i want to say is it ended up like "crying baby gets the milk" kinda scenario, choices of audience who maintained calm and quiet got ignored very badly.
DeleteI agree with Nandini, if not for Sanaya, I would not have liked Khushi. I detest this tendency of most cv's to equate chirpy and bubbly with brainless and silly ... because Sanaya managed to make Khushi loveable, I still watched the show, otherwise I would have switched off when Khushi first went OTT.
DeleteWould there have been such an outcry to retain her if she had gotten a movie?
No - because she would have been more clearcut, (besides she said in her recent Zing intv that she wouldn't leave for just one movie, she would only leave if she got at least five *rofl*) and would have made her position clear ... and people would have stayed on for Barun.
Would I have watched?
If the new girl was not OTT, I might have ... it would strongly have depended on how they took the story and how fast they moved Arnav getting over Khushi and falling in love again. But a man re-marrying is not such a big deal in society, there is always family pressure to re-marry ... I would prefer to see it the other way around, a woman finding love again ... for me, that's more interesting.
It would have been interesting if they got a really good actress - she would have a tall order to replace Sanaya and Khushi both ... Khushi in the end was the link that tied the entire family together, she was the lynchpin of the house, like every woman in a home really is. She had special ties with Nani, with Anjali, with NK ... all independent of her relationship with Arnav. So to replace Khushi in the Raizada house would have been FAR more difficult than just replacing Khushi in Arnav's life.
And the actress would have had to be REALLY GOOD to be convincing that she could take over Khushi's place in Arnav's life ... Sanaya made us feel WHY Arnav loved her so much and couldn't live without her.
Plastic surgery'ed Khushi - no way! I don't think any other actress could do justice to Khushi the way Sanaya did ... any more than any other actor would be acceptable as ASR ... ASR was very well written for sure, but every good actor leaves his personal stamp on the character, and Barun did exactly that. After 1 1/2 years of Barun playing ASR, I would find it difficult to accept anyone else as ASR. That's why I would prefer a new man in Khushi's life, but now a new face. If Barun had left back in Feb, I might have accepted a new face, but not now. Besides, Arshi had their happy ending - there wasn't really much more to show for them.
The thing is, Barun was so disinterested in the last few months, and looked so awful, that I had lost interest in ASR ... I was actually looking forward to a new guy and a new story. Now I have to look forward to a new show :)
I meant *NOT a new face* ... when I said I would have accepted a new man in Khushi's life ...
DeleteI don't think I would have watched if Sanaya moved out and a new girl came in as Khushi or as a new character. First of all Sanaya was Khushi and Khushi was Sanaya like ASR was Barun and vice-versa. I can't imagine any actors in those 2 roles. These 2 have really merged the fine line between reality and fiction for me and I hate to admit it for the first time in my life(that is my TV veiwing life) I became a complete fangirl of the jodi as well as fangirl for the individual actor/actress. These 2 really had something in them. I could have never felt the same connection to Arnav-Khushi love scenes if either of the actors were changed. This is coming from someone who hardly used to watch a serial for more than 1-2 weeks at a stretch.
DeleteComing to Khushi dying and a new girl coming in ASR's life - my take I couldn't have taken it. Just like it would have been heartbreaking for me to see Khushi widowed, it would have been the same heartbreak if not more if ASR were to lose his Khushi. Till now the scene were ASR rescues his khushi from cliff gives me goosebumps. I don't think I would have survived Khushi's death. These 2 characters(Arnav and Khushi I mean) somehow were the picture personifications of the stories(of prince and his happy princess) that my grandmother used to tell me when I was small. I was very close to my maternal grandmother being the first girl and the only girl for 12 long yrs and she used to always narrate the story of the prince who used to love his princess a lot and the end was always 'they rode into sunset and lived happily ever after' and I used to sleep only after that sentence and Arnav and Khushi(not Barun and Sanaya just clearing) somehow remind me of that story. They are my prince and princess so at a selfish level, I am happy my childhood story which I found a resonance in is intact. When this serial was on air, oh I missed my grandmother so many times and there were many scenes which made me revisit my childhood talks with my grandmother. The one I remember now is when Khushi describes her marriage lengha and I couldn't watch that scene the first time around(I had tears in my eyes) as it was exactly that way my grandmother used to describe princess lengha and that scene was a killer(I didn't know that scene was shot by BDs until later as SI had to go to London it seems).
I have clear cut distinction between personal lives of BS and SI least you people think I am crazy *ducks anyone's angry glares* and will be happy as long as they come in good scripts and roles but for Arnav and Khushi I think BS-SI have set a high bar and I think frankly no one could have lived these roles as much as these 2 did.
That's what I meant too ... for me, Arnav and Khushi are Barun and Sanaya. So new characters are okay, new faces for Arnav and Khushi were not.
DeleteBut I guess I've been brought up very differently - my parents were BIG proponents of women's equality and women's education - and growing up, it was never about my getting married and living happily ever after, it was always about what will I do in life, what will I become ... and I was academically strong, so always thought about career first. My brother and I were treated totally equally in that respect, not just by my parents but by both my granddads as well. Marriage came only after career was sorted out ... So for me, a woman being strong and financially independent is very important. Maybe that's why I could look forward to Khushi moving forward ... it would have been heartbreaking and painful to watch, but it's something I strongly believe in, I liked the way Arnav kept encouraging Khushi to do something on her own steam, and I would have enjoyed seeing that happen. Would have been a good way to show Nayi Soch - on a channel which seems to just parrot the words without believing in them in the slightest.
Dia, Even I was brought up with equal rights as my brothers. Of course I was expected to be more docile and calm going in things(which I never was) but in matters of education there was no differentiation. I was the middle child in between 2 boys and pretty much I grew up equal to them. I was playing forward for my school football team and this was way in 85's, was debate champion of my school, college and also represented my university. But at the same time we had our grandmother who used to stay with us and she was the one who loved me a lot - being the first granddaughter of the house. I think I had my first introduction of M&B from my grandmother and somewhere these do influence you. And I admit Arnav and Khushi come close to the story that my grandmother used to narrate of a loving prince, evil magician and lovely princess.
DeleteOne of my friend's husband died in Kargil war and everyone in our community(we lived in an colony kind of thing) encouraged her to get married and did get her married. So I have witnessed lot of things in life and I do agree that people should move on in life. But for that to be showed on the show, it needed sensitivity and needed lot more than 2 months. They couldn't have shown the next phase in Khushi's life within 2 months and hence that idea would have been a flop - IMO. Had there been at least 6 months left in the show and they had chosen this way, I would have encouraged it and understood it. The whole new person coming in and Khushi moving on was a last moment thought something they came up to have the show on air. They could have sent Arnav to America could have said that we have 2 months to close off the loops including progressing Khushi. That would have been a Nayi Soch - Khushi taking care of business in ASR's absence but frankly killing ASR, 2 weeks of rona-dhona and then Khushi doing a trip-fall-catch with the killer(a la lather-rinse-repeat) would have been mockery of everything and in that sense I am glad the show closed down before this was shown. I don't know if I was able to make my point clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyezCOzIMAU
ReplyDeletethat moment when your heart skips a beat because you're SO sad..
J,
DeleteHuggggs...
This is one of my favorite scenes in the show. This was the turning pont in their marriage for me. This was the first time ASR decided to listen to his heart and for the first time wondered if he had misjudged her. And he wanted it to be so badly that....
thanks for sharing Jaya, it was a very good scene.. i really wanted to see redemption track of Arnav and also there would have been so much scope for transition in Kushi's characterization during that phase
DeleteThanks, Jaya ... this was such a beautiful scene! We really missed out on the redemption track :(((
DeleteI loved Khushi when she reassures Garima - you are my Amma, you don't have to give jawab to anyone ... The dialogues were so beautiful!
Su,
DeleteThis scene is one of the best in the show but I wouldn't agree that it was a turning point. Yes, ASR decided to listen to his heart rather than head and ended up sleeping holding her hand. But if it was really to be a turning point, shouldn't he have been more receptive to what she told him about how she and her family were duped by Shyam, given that the scene was quite close to this one? Both his heart (after this scene) and head (after what Khushi told him on their way back to RM) should have been telling him that Khushi was innocent. Instead his brain refused to be unfrozen beyond the terrace scene. I fully understood his reaction after that terrace scene. What I could not understand or appreciate his continued refusal to see and question all the contradictions which followed. This is why I did not like the post hate marriage track. There was no steady progression either in the story or the characterisation.
The hero really took a severe beating here. Wonder whether the PH was getting back at Barun for making them work their script around his absence.
Opti,
DeleteI agree with you the post hate marriage track had no consistency - either during the kidnapping track or after. I thought ASR when kidnapped would join the dots together and maybe he will deduct the truth by himself. That didn't happen. Even when Khushi rescued him the first time and he asks the question and then gets kidnapped, then also I expected the joining of dots but didn't happen. That is where the character of ASR was severely watered down.
Maybe like you say it was the PH getting back at Barun for making them work their script. I actually felt that for Daljeet - the character of Anjali was completely screwed after Daljeet renegotiated her contract and onscreen Anjali was turned into something else. I really felt that the creatives screwed up the character after the negotiations. Kind of paying back in kind.
Opti,
DeleteThat was the first introspection scene after marriage. Something changed that night. He stopped being mean to her after that, so much so that Khushi got so surprised at this sudden 180 and suspected something fishy- went on to the 'he wants to kill me for La' track.
The second soprt of introspection was at RM- when she waited for him- wouldn't call it that exactly- but he looked like he felt bad about her waiting like that.
But he continued to be angry, not mean.
WHY WAS HE ANGRY?
Because he badly wanted to believe her, but SHE WOULDN'tT give him proof of her innocence. It was her word against what he had seen and heard. Yes, he must have made that connection that Shyam was indeed engaged to her once, BUT IF THAT WAS TRUE, WHAT WAS SHE DOING AFTER HER SO- CALLED ENGAGEMENT HAD BROKEN, HUGGING HIM AND DEMANDING THAT HE LEAVE HIS WIFE FOR HER.
HIs brain did not refuse to be unfrozen, it simply demanded proof more than JUST HER WORDS.
And then, it was in the kidnap chair that he decided to ask for no more proof. ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH. If she said she was innocent, she was. That was needed before she even came for his rescue- that ILU- it came from his heart- it was unconditional love when he said that. That is why Khushi had been so moved to hear it- it made her think what would've happened to him for him to come out with that revelation. She had already figured out BOTH their feelings after the sugarless jalebi- introspection. WHAT HAD MADE HIM CONFESS HIS FEELINGS?
DeleteAnd she connecetd the dots, though he had not intended it to be so.
That is why even that hut consummation (my second fav scene) made sense. They had not openly discussed their relationship or future - it was all hinged on three words for which she had not asked any explanation, he had not offered any too (he had been shy to elaborate on that when she mentioned th etelephone convo, even she had been too shy to mention the exact words he had spoken)- they simply decided to take their relationship to the next level- that was Arhipathy!
Correction on the first post- second introspection- NOT at RM, at the office.
Deletei love the way your mind works... you have made even the most disconnected TRP grabber scene weave seamlessly into the story..
DeleteThanks, J.
DeleteThere is a lot of magic in Gul's story- it did not become the masterpiece it could have become due to various reasons. That does not mean the magic is not there.
IPK has always made sense to me as a fairy tale with quite a bit of realistic elements. The hut scene did make sense back then too. Arnav's introspection after the Khushi- Garima convo- the significance came to me only after the hut scene.
“And above all, watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely places. Those who don't believe in magic will never find it.”
― Roald Dahl
'It was her word against what he had seen and heard. Yes, he must have made that connection that Shyam was indeed engaged to her once, BUT IF THAT WAS TRUE, WHAT WAS SHE DOING AFTER HER SO- CALLED ENGAGEMENT HAD BROKEN, HUGGING HIM AND DEMANDING THAT HE LEAVE HIS WIFE FOR HER.'
DeleteAgree!!! Although I hated Arnav for wanting proof even after seeing the kind of person Khushi was over so many months, that one scene took over his brain and suspended his thinking faculties every single time. Although after Khushi's attempted suicide, he never had that terrace flashback again, it was as though he had been scared to ask her to clarify what Shyam meant to her, and once she said that she hated him, it DID lay that ghost to rest. After that it was anger ... wanting to believe her, his heart actually believing her (hence the disappearance of the terrace flashback) versus brain reminding him of what he saw ... and during the kidnapping, heart finally won.
Two things here - this is why I always wanted the truth of WHEN exactly Khushi said yes to Shyam to come out to Arnav - that she resisted getting engaged for so long, that she was never happy about it, and that she gave in the night of Diwali - after the almost kiss, and after HE announced his engagement to La. And I wanted Payal, who had been the only witness to Khushi's despair that night when she returned from RM, to tell Arnav. And also they should have brought out how Buaji forced Khushi into the engagement for Babuji's sake. Never understood why they kept the Guptas out of it ... why Khushi couldn't tell Buaji and Amma that Arnav knew the truth about Shyam. That was one place where logic in the story telling was fully suspended.
Secondly, I don't think the hut scene was any conscious decision to take their relationship to the next level (if I look at it in context and apart from the TRP aspect ;) ) Not with kidnappers breathing down their necks.
It was more of getting swept away by their emotions - SHE knew she loved him, she had heard his confession of love, she had been terrified for his life and safety and she had just found him, but in danger ... HE knew he loved her, he had thought he would never see her again, and there she appeared, risking her life to find him ... and then clinging to him ... it was a moment of tenderness and relief that they had found each other when they thought they had lost each other, and wanting to hold on to each other, so they got swept away on that tide of emotion. It was actually conceptualized quite well, and would have been better if the BD's were not there ... and if the re-kidnapping didn't happen!
I really liked what i saw of Veera.. the girl is sooo cute, i loved how the way she knits her brow when she challenged by chaiji :D to writer Ranvir's name..from precap i think that other boy from school is going to do smthing stupid and create problems for veera..
ReplyDeletei think it will be some time b4 they take a leap and also if there is a plan of husband dying and Ratan and Nihal getting married it will be usually bcus Ratan will be forced into the marriage due to circumstances, etc. firstly they have to bring out what happened to the husband and how will Ratan take it and then i think the bad guy will create more problems for Ratan and try to defame her name with Nihala's and then the village ppl deciding abt the issue, etc and in the meantime we will get lot of small sub plots about the growing up years of Ranvir-veera.. am liking the pace at which the story is going.
The makers are the same one who did RBO on star plus and they are also doing another show in lifeOK name junoon, yash patnaik i guess his name, he has quite a good experience and seems to be quite strong in his negotiating capacity with the channel compared to 4lions
btw did any one watch PV.. any ideas abt kidnapper, i think its a female, but its not buaji..am guessing it will mostly be someone who we would not have suspected so that the serial can have that suspense element going for them..
sorry i meant RBO on star one :)
Deleteand also another typo "write Ranvir's name"..guys plss forgive if you come across any more typos in my posts :)
DeleteNandini,
DeleteForgiven.
Kindly return the favour. :D
RBO? Explainiya pleej?
Veera- mentioned above- I feel it is unlikely Ratan will remarry until Veera grows up. The children have to be fatherless for Ranvi to be Veera's anokhi maa.
Junoon: another tale of forced wedding? Caught 2 minutes of it. Looked interesting. Are you watching it?
PV: I didn't watch it. Missing Shwetha's updates. You're saying a female? and not Buaji? And the demand is that Yash and Aarti divorce?(Has that happened?)
I bet it is a woman who is possessive about Yash- I mean, that was the next thing coming, considering Aarti's ex was killed (Did they show the funeral? I mean, is he really dead? No police case?)...Yash's 'one-way ex' was next in line.
So, Akash was roped in by some female to kidnap Anksh, when he actually has a private agenda of his own. This is turning out to be one complicated tale.
I am sorry. Did I ask you too many questions? :D
Nandini,
DeleteI used to watch RBO in the beginnig, stopped it when I got busy in AD. RBO was on Star One - Rang badalti odhani and Karan Tackker and Yashshri were the leads. The backdrop was Gujarat I think(I don't remember it quite now) and the story was how Karan becomes the cause of accident which results in death of Yashshri's husband(I think Kanak was her name right) and the panchayat gives the ruling that Karan should marry the girl. He marries the girl and gets her home and the story is of the mismatched couple and how they fall in love. This was on air when DMG season 2 was going on and I used to watch it as their promos were quite catchy and also the title song. The title song was rajasthani/gujarathi mix and was a damn good hit and DABH also got the title song on the same lines and hence I love DABH's title song too. The story had really good substance and I loved it but then AD got busy and I stopped watching it regularly. Once the love confession happened, the story lost its magic for me.
Veera - I don't think Ratan will re-marry. More and more I feel Nihal will go the Dushman way - posted the link in last week's post. Rajesh Khanna is a truck driver who causes the death of Meena Kumari's husband in a state of drunk driving. The judge finds him guilty and sentences him to go and work for the widowed Meena Kumari and her family, as they lost their bread winner. Meena Kumari and all the villagers hate him at first, slowly he wins them over ... he reforms as he sees how his one careless act ruined a family, and changes from an irresponsible drunken lout into a responsible person, basically grows up and matures. He finds love in a village girl, Mumtaz. Meena Kumari forgives him only right at the end.
DeleteSo Nihal might be similar, except without any romantic interest.
Dia,
DeleteIn RBO the husband gets killed in an accident in the factory owned by Karan on the marriage day itself and the panchayat rules that Karan should marry the new widow now. The love story is actually of Kanak and her new husband. Both don't like each other and there is a huge difference in their social status but still they end up falling for each other and the progression was nice. I like RBO till that point.
In Veera, I too don't think Ratan is going to marry Nihal. Might have been that Sampooran has died due to Nihal and Nihal has the responsibility to let the truth be out and make the families forgive him. Somehow I liked what Kartar said to Nihal on Friday's episode. Sampooran did wrong but he punished his friend and his family and went away. He should have stayed on and be little far but be here and he would have been forgiven if he asked for it every time. Let's see what made Sampooran to go and what ultimately caused his death. They watered down the character when he had one night stand with Veera's mom and the reason was very filmy and somehow it was neither here nor there. And maybe after the news of death of Sampooran is revealed, Ratan may completely shut off leading to Ranvi be the only mother for Veera. I see Ratan responding to the child Veera(especially when she rescues Veera from falling down the ladder) and there ought to be a solid reason for Ratan to completely ignore Veera and that solid reason maybe that Sampooran died - died leaving her alone. So eventually Veera has only her veerji to look forward as her mother.
See, whatever the reason for Sampooran having that one night stand, they could never have justified it ... NOTHING can justify a married man having a one night stand. See Masoom, see Aapki Antara ... it's a mistake made by the man, there is NO justification. And it IS a character flaw. So one has to just take it as a part of the story ... since Sampooran was a short lived character on the show, one can forget about that part and get on with the story, because there had to be a reason for Ratan to not accept Veera and Ranvi to become her 'asli maa', and this was about the only reason possible.
DeleteEither Ratan will shut herself off after hearing about Sampooran's death, or Ratan herself will die. I hope the latter doesn't happen ... I like Ratan. But I don't think there will be a second marriage for Ratan.
Let's see ... am happy with the story and the characterization the way it is, and of course the acting is wonderful. So am perfectly happy to watch it unfold ... like Opti said, I don't feel like discussing it much, only enjoying it fully and commenting about the scenes as they happen. No preconceived notions about how it will go and how it should go ... the makers are good, let them tell their story their way.
Dia,
DeleteThe judge finds him guilty and sentences him to go and work for the widowed Meena Kumari and her family, as they lost their bread winner. Meena Kumari and all the villagers hate him at first, slowly he wins them over ...
Is that ..like...possible?...Forget I even asked! :D
I mean seriously, the judge sentenced without the family even knowing the guy is dead? I know anything is possible.
DeleteOr you must be saying this might happen later. Yeah, one thing seems clear- Nihal must be responsible for Sampooran's demise. But then, he comes after 4 years?
Haha ... it's a MOVIEEEEE ... back in the days when movies made some social statements, or tried to ... not like Rowdy Rathore and Dabangg and the like!
DeleteArey, I just realised what you were asking ... no, in the movie, the family knew the guy was dead and that Rajesh Khanna was responsible, that was why they all hated him. And I don't think any judge has sent Nihal, he has come on his own.
DeleteWe were talking about Dor - in that, the two men are friends and one guy dies in an accident caused by the other guy. That's another possibility. Nihal is not actually responsible directly, but either he is responsible indrectly, or he failed to help his friend in time. Either way he feels the guilt.
Coming after 4 years - I cannot explain. Please not to ask for too much logic in serial ki duniya. :)))
Coming after 4 years - I cannot explain. Please not to ask for too much logic in serial ki duniya. :)))
DeleteIs it that difficult, Dia?
Hmmm...
1. He was in a coma for 4 years- just woke up a month back.
2. He had amnesia in the aftermath of the accident that killed Sampooran- just got his memory back!
3. He met a yogi recently and now wants to repent for his past sins....
4. He lost his wife and kid in an accident and realised what Sampooran's family must be going through....
The list is endlesss.... *ducks chappals*
Are you sure you're not a serial writer? *ducks chappals in return*
DeleteAny one watching NB? This must be the funniest NB ever. Watch it for 1 1/2 hours of wholesome entertainment.
ReplyDeleteI watch it regularly. The act put up by Drashti's brother and his wife was superb. Good to see Drashti come to support them.
DeleteI also watch Welcome and last week was a riot (pun intended). Showcased Dimpy (Rahul Mahajan) and Debina (Gurmeet's wife) in real poor light. Although the show is about cooking and hospitality, they focus more on obnoxious guests and their tantrums. Hard to imagine that people will be so downright rude to strangers in real life.
The mirror dance? I saw that too ... it was excellent! And I enjoyed the one by Bhabho and her husband too - it was a laugh riot. That couple is sweet and quite fun-loving.
DeleteKind of says it all:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.hindustantimes.com/Brunch/brunch-stories/Watch-at-your-own-risk/Article1-1005009.aspx
fantastic article mona. thanks for the rec.
DeleteSpot on article! Especially liked the reference to Prannoy Roy's The World This Week - that was such a regular when I was growing up, that and the Quiz Time hosted by Siddharth Basu!
DeleteAnd I SO agree on the MTV comment - every time I swicth to MTV to try to see the latest music in town, all I get is Humse Hai Life or Buddy Project or Suvreen ... shows for teens - make a separate kids channel then!
Liked the rest of the comments too - really said it all!
The motto of our TV industry – why bother to act, when thunder and lightning have the same impact?
DeleteThis was my favorite comment in the whole article. Actually I can count the actors that have really acted in serials on my fingers. I can never understand the acting, if there is any that is, of Akshara, Naitik, Suraj, Ahem, Gopi, and all of those that are in the top serials. Do they really act. All I feel is that they wear good sarees and say their dialogues - and who the hell wears those heavy sarees that Akshara wears. Most of the time I am in night suits in home if I am cooking. Prefer it to sarees when cooking - is more safer and more comfortable. I still don't understand why the top serials are high TRP grossers - there is no substance in the show and I can't relate to anybody in the show.
And Dia, agree with you - I used to love Prannoy Roy, especially he used to host a panel before the Railway budget, financial budget were due and he used to talk so clear - something even a 8th std student can understand. I used to always watch his show during the polls(lok sabha and state polls) and during Budget presentations. What all finance and economy I understand now, was all due to his shows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhumNsjoIx4
ReplyDeletethis was a QH VM that su had shared some weeks back.. had time to see it only now.. this is exactly what asad and zoya dynamics was..includes some of the oneliners that I am so fond of..
i will tell you exactly what changed and caused the hate to lessen,, after I take the time to write it up. no, they are not in love now.. nishi took double trouble to explain that "friends!!"in her latest post, because the QH forum was all dreamy heart shaped balloons.. so dont think asad fell for zoya or any such thing..
their lovestory is almost at the stage of the end of office track in IPK, i think. only difference is that zo lives in asad's house.
I've been reading the updates, haven't been watching so regularly ... but that makes more sense to me ... Asad doesn't think Zoya is as much of a spoiled brat as he did earlier, and is starting to see some good in her. So a communication starting. He hasn't fallen for her yet ... he's attracted, in fact, both are - but that I get more from the forced Mitwas than the acting of the pair in those Mitwas, to be honest!
DeleteSaw the first ... sad!
ReplyDeleteDon't feel like watching Sanaya break down again ... it makes me feel bad every time! I'll watch it again once we get news of her new show :)))
Hey everyone..replying here to the previous post..
ReplyDeleteHey Nandini..welcome!! enjoying reading your discussions!!
Jaya!! mom was not well for a bit so went home..was MIA for a bit..now back..oh and thanks a ton for all the links..:D
Sandy!! good to see you back as well...liking Benguluru??
Anita, good to see you back *hugs* Hope your mom's doing better now
Deleteanita, great to hear all is well. best of luck for your mom to get well soon. and you're welcome about the links. my pleasure!
DeleteAiyyoo Ani,
DeleteWho told u I am going to Bengaluru. I am like moving in the total opposite direction.
And hey hope your mum is better now.
hey..mom is doing great now..thank u!! she moved with me to bangalore..hates the weather but is learning to live with it :D
DeleteSandy..u not moving to Bangalore?? ahem..i think i got confused..someone here was right?? anyway...hope u like the new place..
Shwetha is moving to Bengaluru :)))
DeleteOh!! thanks for clarifying that Dia!! :)
Deletei remembered reading about someone moving but could not remember who!!
Sanaya's interview with Gul Khan on Forum32 - part 1 is out. Link on main post.
ReplyDeleteJaya, I need that link on how to post links on comments, please :)))
QH update of the last week, because i had not watched it and left such a hole in the story.. finally got some time today, so here is the writeup. there are links IN the comments, hope you recognise them with the stars .. asad goes to mangalpur. zo accidentally reaches the same destination. asad arranges for a taxi to come pick her up and take her back to bhopal. zo stumbles upon mariam pouring kerosene on herself on the morning of the wedding.. and hears the story behind that, gets mariam in the taxi to get away and dresses up as the bride. when she says "qubool nahi hain" and runs, asad helps her and goes to the nearest police station(to request police protection to reach bhopal safely).. the police say it is a panchayat maamla, they get handcuffed together. panchayat orders them both killed for helping the bride escape.. and asya run into the jungle, reach a dhaba, call for car..meet yash n aarti(who think theyre so cute for always holding hands), tell them abt sarpanch (yah Mr.Punch) and gaav ke saare police after them.. they spend the night, and in the morning mr punch's group catch them all (via prashanth's tip)..and take them to the somewhere else, where the two females do so much histronics that all the free men run away.. then they untie themselves, sends yash n aarti to escape, save ansh from prashanth.. asya stay to divert attention.. then follows * the most hilarious two minutes ive seen * and run into the jungle..where they get a freaky looking, self appointed guide who breaks the handcuff and take them to "somewhere safe" in the jungle.. gives them a bottle of water and leaves to check the exits... they do the usual tu tu main main.. later asad finds a bit of dupatta on the ground.. attached to a buried dead body.. and finds that they have been led into a trap. zoya, who drank the water, has gone unconscious..
ReplyDeleteQH update part 2
Deleteasad is set free by his mamu, only because he is dilshad's son. they take zo in place of miriam for penalty.. while walking away to freedom, asad defends zo( helping mariam, because m was considering suicide,) but mamu says it was better if she used the kerosene and died..better than running away and spoiling their family honor, because she could set things right by marrying the guy who raped her, there was no other way. asad is shocked.. and sorry that he did not let zo tell him what she was desperately trying to tell him all through the past day..they drop him off at the bustop to bhopal..
meanwhile they have buried the unconscious zo. asad runs back to save zo..tries pawing off different spots of forest floor..yash n aarti materialize to help..and they find her. *good scene * but cannot revive her.. he grips a thorn in (what is that feeling? gult? sadness? despair?) and meanwhile aarti finds that zoya regained consciousness. (so true when the two GC and KSG are on screen together, dont know which one to focus on!) yash and aarti give them each pyaar gyaan.. zo opens her mouth and says"i saw ansh beign taken away!" details later, yash and arti go their way, saying 'take care' to asya. there is untold feelings between them, but neither speaks. she is weak, he picks her up and walks.. * hitches a tractor ride to bhopal. * < watch this scene.. they are suddenly aware of a lot more than just miss farooqi and mister khan.
Dia,
ReplyDeleteDidn't see any post to discuss Sanaya's Forum32 interview. Saw the first part but will reserve by opinion till I see the complete interview. Got to say though - Sanaya was looking lovely and very vivacious. It was nice to see her bubbly and her usual self.
sorry I meant *my* opinion
DeleteI just enjoyed watching Sanaya back and listening to her talk and laugh ... she was looking fresh and young and so pretty! Not much to discuss as such - she was direct and straightforward and clear as ever - always a pleasure to listen to her! The ten minutes went really fast ... waiting for the second part now.
DeleteI enjoyed her take on comic scenes - they show her complete self-confidence. The most difficult scenes to do are comedy, not only wrt timing, but also letting yourself go completely and letting the world laugh at you - that requires a lot of self-confidence. I think Amitabh Bacchhan made the same point in one of the recent award ceremonies, hosted by Ritesh and Abhishek.
The rest I enjoyed - it was very interesting listening to the 'behind the scenes' of the dori scene and the dargah scene, as well as the Jadoo hai Nasha hai kiss scene - the scene which first the the screens on fire with their chemistry. And the way Sanaya tells it, is always interesting, she makes it a fun experience, she is always self-deprecating, and that's what I like best about her.
sanaya's interview actually underlined the capability of the production team, i feel.. they were explaining about how they took so may takes of the dori scene, and barun took two takes while sanaya was not feeling it and took more, yet it looked fantastic as khushi's scene.. applause the DOP, the director, the EDITOR... now i know why it was so pretty in the first half of the serial.
Deletei have always felt that the angles of photography did a great job in IPK.. it was not a normal serial, in that aspect. the blend of twenty shots of his face, in one scene.. who can forget his fingers, her lips..her tears, his brimming eyes.. it was poetry in photography.. with a beautiful musical bg and gorgeous actors.
the second half did not do well(we saw it lose its shine postwedding because we lost the music for a while, the cameraman changed.. the angles did not sing, like before. and today, sanaya and gul did underline that fact.. the team made the actors look excellent.
Well said, J.
Delete'they were explaining about how they took so may takes of the dori scene':
I was trying to make the same point when I said why they never had a bank- it is because they are PERFECTIONISTs...
And this is why romance falls so so short on any other show even when they repeat the actors...I shudder to think of what behna would have done to Sanaya. Which idiot even offered it to her? And if IPK had come three months later, after she had signed for behna, or Gul had not seen the Sanaya audition that had been discarded and not INSISTED on her....Thank God IPK happened the way it did! Indeed, there was a holy connect.
What will the second half be about?
I was angry with Gul and Barun when they did not focus much on Sanaya ...so I am really glad Gul decided to do justice to her lead....I bet this will be seen as a PR gimmick too. I just hope no one starts dissecting Sanaya's eyes and lip quivers and postures and what not...
Will they discuss about the way it ended? I hope not, for both their sakes. I'll be happy if they just talk about the happy experiences and leave it at that. They don't need to justify themselves or anyone else...
Sanaya's next project...not likely in this interview. Unless, it is with 4 Lions. If there was something in the pipeline, the grapevines would've buzzed...
I got the same feeling from the interview ... that they are both very serious about their craft ... within the limits of television daily soaps, of course ... one as an actress, and the other as a producer and director (Gul came across more as a director in this interview, with her comments on Sanaya getting that expression right in the mazaar scene - was she involved in the direction as well? To some extent definitely).
DeleteAgain Sanaya has always been that way - in an earlier interview, she had remarked that TV is a tough medium because of the lack of time and the necessity of getting the episodes out on time, you don't have time to repeat your shots if you feel you've not given your best, you just have to let it go ... this was during MJHT time ... so she has always been serious about her work and giving her best to it. I guess a result of the years of struggle to prove herself, when she was thought to be just another pretty face, that too, not "Indian" enough.
Interesting that Gul and team took so much time to finalise Khushi - like I said earlier, we were worried that Khushi would be just the romantic interest and have nothing much to do ... so it seems that Gul and co did have more than that in mind. And Gul acknowledged that Khushi was a difficult character to play ... that she was, I really can't think of any other actress on tv today who could have brought Khushi off the way Sanaya did.
I think she was offered Behna because Jeevika was very similar to Gunjan, and that's exactly why she refused it. Thank God! And I chuckled when Sanaya said Nissar kept telling her not to be Gunjan ... Nissar had picked her for Gunjan! And Gul picked her for Khushi ... two defining roles for Sanaya, no wonder she is grateful to them. Having said that, they have to be grateful to her - she has justified their confidence and faith in her completely.
Another tidbit ... 'Rishi got angry when she laughed during the payal scene' - presume she meant Hrishikesh, the DOP ... a close knit team indeed. The photography and camera angles were always good, they were given a lot of importance ... remember the sunset bandagement scene, the temple walk after that, the different camera angles for so many scenes, including Jadoo hai nasha hai, the diya scene, the bachelor party star gazing scene ... many things which lift this team from the run of the mill seen in many other shows.
Hope they don't discuss about the ending ... hope they DO discuss future plans ... next project, not likely, but some idea of what kind of things she's looking for now. Most of the IPK actors have slotted into other shows - Payal, Akash, NK, Mamiji, Garima ... Sanaya can't be slotted into another show, she will only be a lead, which means a new show.
NK is only doing a cameo in a show, hope he can get a role in her new show whenever it comes - would be fun to see him as her brother or something!
Dia,
DeleteWhenever Gul and Nissar are around, I think they contribute to directing too, even if their names come only as producers.
For eg. for a long time now Gul's name has ben takevn off the director's credits-(In QH- it is LM and Arshad now. Gul's name comes under the producer) but she was very much there with Arshad in the making of Lag jaa Gale- she was the one directing Gurmeet and Kratika mostly. Even Ved Raj said she decides the story line and he writes around it- so, I guess, she does make her presence felt where needed. I also remember Gorky saying most of Gul's and Nissar's time was spent pacifying people- I guess that is why she wanted to be just a director for QH. May be it was too taxing for her, or she wa again required to hold the show together, so they got LM back.
Rekh,
ReplyDeleteThe answer to your Q straight from the horse's mouth:
Asad Ahmed Khan is a man who is pained. He has been wronged. His childhood was shrouded with a father who left his mother pregnant and then one fine day he brought a child and said this is your brother, Aayan. He, at least, found some solace in this. A brother whom he mothered. However love is something he shies away from. Not because he does not want love but because he feels he is a chip off the old block and would leave the very person he loves at some stage in his life. So, prevention according to him is better than cure. But in Urdu there is a phrase, “Muddai lakh burr chahe toh kya hota hai, wahi hota hai jo munzure khuda hota hai,” which means “Can someone steal one’s fate?” And this even Asad Ahmed Khan cannot do for himself. Change his fate.
All this, plus a fantastic write up on the actor here:
http://forum32.com/2013/02/01/karan-singh-grover-the-actor-and-the-character-asad-ahmed-khan-in-qubool-hai/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=karan-singh-grover-the-actor-and-the-character-asad-ahmed-khan-in-qubool-hai
Surbhi interview: pretty decent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8boKW1rO8A&feature=player_embedded
J,
Could you give me a link to Nishi's comment?
I feel Asad is aware of his feelings, but shying away from facing it.He will not face it for a long time...he will take a loooong time to accept it is his destiny for the reason mentioned above.
But he seems to be definitely aware of his feelings:
1. He tries to hide it- he waits up for her, jumps up when she comes back(the ipad night)
2. The last mitwa- she falls on him on the bed- and he reminds himself HE HAS TO KEEP AWAY FROM her.
3. Before that, on returning from Mangalpur- that introspection: and telling Zoya 'nothing happened' - while she was referring to the adventure, foremost in his mind was the sudden awareness he had of her...
Nishi must be trying to prepare the forum for the next major fallout. Probably it is time for Ayan to enter Zoya's life...and Asad will not come between them, BECAUSE HE REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE that he is in love.
Right now, he is very uncomfortable when she comes near him and is avoiding her at all costs.
Mitwas- it is not the pull that Arhi had. That is not the equation between these two. Arhi never had this strong clash of ideals between them. ASR looked down on Khushi and she was out to prove herself, that was all.
Here, both are strongly aware of their differences- and even if their heart seems to pull them towards the other person- they know they'd be impossible as a couple. Asad will never let go of Zoya for the same reason ASR let go of Khushi, I feel- there, it was ASR's ego- here, it'd be Asad's awareness THAT THEY WILL ALWAYS STRUGGLE AS A COUPLE, even as their equal in their status-- or something of the sort (Too early to say- but sure ego will not come between them.)
Zoya- I feel will be more HONEST with her feelings when she realises it.(Like Khushi, she will not feel the need to hide her feelings unless she feels Mr. Khan is really NOT INTERESTED.Zoya must have a slight orphan complex too like K probably had. And she does not even have an aunt she can associate with her mother. She is out of touch with any memories of her parents in any living relation.)
Khushi and she was out to prove herself, that was all.
DeleteClarification: they had their differences in ideology too- but it was more of arrogance coming between them.
su, you gave an excellent clarification on asad's POV. thanks.
Deletethis was nishi's post:
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3411611
and another one, posted before:
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3418102
i agree with what you said, if zoya feels something for asad, she will not hesitate to call a spade a spade. currently, asad is the one with all the feelings, and he is justifying that /he is her friend, that is why he is feeling so protective of her/.. (and the age old advice for boys and girls.. never stand too close to one another, you just might get unnecessary "feelings" :D)
J, can I give it a try?
Delete‘A single rose can be my garden and a single friend my world.
A true friend never gets in your way unless you happen to be going down.
I'll be there for you
When the rain starts to pour
I'll be there for you
Like I've been there before
I'll be there for you
Cuz you're there for me too...’
OK. I know Nishi is not popular here, and personally, I feel sometimes she is a bit too hostile; but I admire her cryptic writing- Really, I am a big fan of it.
I am not claiming I am deciphering her correctly here. This is just a HUNCH based on how I see Asad. After I read the forum 32 post, I thought I must have read too much, but this post makes me wonder.(I know, do I have to give such a lambi explanation?)
Wait, some more disclaimers before I come to my point. I think there is a reason why Nishi prefers to be cryptic. It is because she does not want to COMMIT to anything- the simple reason being, the track might change- they might delay or speed up depending on various factors and sometimes even scrap it (like they did with ...you know what.).
Asad knows he has been bitten by the bug- that is why he is so desperate to hide it. And in spite of himself, he cannot stop worrying about Zoya- every single moment she is out of his sight, he despairs...could she be in danger? Until his Ammi got shot, Zoya was the only thought on his mind. If you remember, just before that, we had Ayan testing his love, and he had chosen- Ammi.
But Zoya had never come in between him and his ammi. Zoya was in danger, Ammi was not. The threat was only to Zoya- Dilaavar never said Asad’s family will have to pay- he had his eyes only on Zoya and implied that she’d pay. This is what drove Asad to send Mariam as far away as possible .... from Zoya.
Now Asad is not going to let his heart rule his mind- for him, that is a sure sign of weakness. He is supposed to be IN CONTROL- at least of himself. So, he thinks he can dictate his heart. His heart will have to follow his command. So, he will never acknowledge his feelings to Zoya, even when he is aware of it. And therefore, he will never come in between what he perceives is Zoya’s happiness. (Always thought this’d be the justification for Zoya marrying Ayan- because Asad does not confess or indicate, and until he does that, Zoya does not even consider...because she is naive)
That will change...” A true friend never gets in your way unless you happen to be going down. “ Who will go down?
I guess, Zoya. That is probably when he will get in her way. Even then, will he unmask his feelings? I don’t know. I think he will keep his feelings to himself and step in and act as a friend- as an ACT of FRIENDSHIP- because he knows he does not want to put her through the pain of loving him, ESPECIALLY if he feels it is one- sided. (See how Zoya is the one to break the mitwaas and she even goes ONE STEP FURTHER...she has asked more than once- What is wrong with you Mr. Khan...EMBARASSING for the poor guy! She comes from a different culture- and she seeks only friendship...so she wants a friend in him and he will be that to her.)
So, when she goes down, he will be there for her. As a BIL? As a friend? Or as a husband?
I think the lover will masquerade as a friend (who might end up marrying her, according to what the situation demands) here- because that is what Zoya needs FOR THE TIME BEING, according to him.
From the second post:
Delete“However, there is a certain someone with whom you are not in control to figure out what you exactly feel for them and with time it only becomes more complicated.
In times of tragedy, what one holds onto are relationships and to never let go of the strong ones coz they are to live and last till eternity. With the current track and the turbulence, most of the relationships in the show are being subjected to the test of time. Whether it is AsYa, the brothers, the siblings, the father and the children or just a mere outsider's relationship with her host, the dark clouds have their way of foreshadowing the sunshine. However, the silver lining does exist. “
‘you are not in control to figure out what you exactly feel for them and with time it only becomes more complicated.’:
I wrote about Ayan testing Asad’s love- and Asad has declared, his Ammi is his world for him. Now, Zoya, the person who appealed to him in such a strange way as to make him lose his mind (burial ) and continues to hold him absorbed- has compelled this misfortune upon his WORLD, his ammi- Asad is going to go berserk as we all know. And as WE KNOW, to his indignation, he will find he is “ not in control to figure out what you exactly feel for them and with time it only becomes more complicated.”
'AsYa is tested, dark clouds are indeed there, the sunshine gets shadowed, but hang on to the silver lining.'
Hats off to Nishi for coming up with this post. The forum was glowing under the sunshine, post Mangalpur; the forum is GOING TO ERUPT SOON when the dark clouds come; so she implores the forum to hang on to the silver lining- that is the only thing she can promise for now!
And of course, the question that is on everyone's mind: WHO did the shooter come for?
DeleteIs Zoya responsible for Dilshad getting shot, or was it Rashid's actions?
Su,
Deletethks for the trouble u took to explain Asad to me.....honestly, i haven't given QH a chance and its more to do with my disinterest to invest time, emotions in a serial atm.....
But u do know, I have had a fascination for Gul's style of story telling....whats the word u used the other day in a diff context to describe Gul's style?.."subtle"...i could use that term for her style in the way she builds on the equation between lovers...ofc, her story telling will not always stand the test of logic very successfully..its usually removed from logic, and she does tend to over simply or exaggerate several elements but if u put that aspect aside for a while, u can actually see her real strength as a story teller....the aspect of "thehraav" in bonds, she has a gud command over that ..i haven't seen Geet but i am told that even the equation between the lovers there was related very well...i see a similar promise with Asad and Zoya..
(this i say, when i am not even impressed with the premise of the tale...its too ambiguous to make any that impact, its cloaked in semantics...)
Ofc, I saw that quality of "thehraav" amply on display for a gud part of IPK....i know i was critical of her during a major part of that period too but i was not then privy to how extraneous considerations had a part to play on what was put on screen...well..i still don't know the real facts and frankly i don't care...becos as a viewer, i can only go by what the end result was..which was of a story that did not reach the high it promised...so its only natural that a story teller has to, in my view, take the major brunt of why the tale regressed.
Despite that, she has my attention as a person with a diff style of narrating an idea (i won't say story!).....I liked what u said above....about IPK having a fairy tale quality about it....Yes, exactly.....SU....thats what IPK was...it did not stand the test of common sense on many occasions but it had the quality to draw ur soul despite that...for me atoot vishwas was not about common sense..it was not about the establishment of Khushi's innocence, it was not about Arnav realising Khushi was above board....it was about an esoteric idea of how love is beyond all this...Arnav never mentioned once during the ARHIpathy that he believed her...or he had misjudged her...he only said he can no longer ignore the feelings she made him feel....added to that is the cinematic beauty of IPK that J described so beautifully above....THAT IS WHY I GUESS IPK WAS AN ALMOST EPIC for me!! chaand with a daag.....if u like.....
QH: I think Rashid has been framed for the burning down of the doll factory many years ago. Mamu is the real culprit. Maybe Zoya lost her mother in that fire and she herself got burnt. Now is Mamu Zoya's father or did he kill his father or was responsible for his disappearance remains to be seen.
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I am on a prediction spree. I have predicted on QH, Veera, PV...how can I leave MB behind?
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Where is MB going?
Where is the story of middle class aspirations?
I have a feeling GH might deliver just that. RK's movie has been going on for sometime (In fact, from the time he has come on screen, he has been shooting for this movie.) And it is his production too.
I think there is a fair chance the movie might flop, RK will run into a huge loss and then, MB takes that leap into her acting career.
And then, the abhimaan track starts...it will be beautiful, if they execute it well.
Su I think MB is where IPK was post the marriage - lost!
DeleteMB started off with a tight knit story - the leads hated each other, reached a crescendo of doing so - then started communicating, respecting, trusting each other and then finally falling in love - post that there were trust issues sorted - then the whole 'blast from the past - read bad dad coming back' track - NOW the story has to come to the original stance of being a story about a girl who ends up in the film world - that is no where in sight and the team is dishing out silly tracks that will hopefully add up (though it does not seem so right now)
saw a bit of fridays episode.. was fulltoo comedy. are they trying to copy you know who?
Deletebarun's RJ smriti interview.. the audio interview's written update:
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