Starting off with news of Sanaya ...
A new dance show on SP - Sanaya approached to host?
Telly chakkar article - Star Plus jumping on to the dance shows bandwagon, Karan Tacker, Sanaya, Karan Kundra and Kritika among the names being considered to host. Kritika is doing a show, is that ending? So is Karan T, but Behna has been under the scanner for ages, plus he's an experienced host. Hope if Sanaya does it, it's with Karan Tacker.
Veera ... the makers seem to have mastered the balance between sweet heartwarming kids' scenes which make you smile, and heart-wrenching ones of Ratan, Ranvi and even Kartar missing Sampooran. Veera 'writing' Ranvi's name, Ranvi always covers for his sister's tall stories, and then admonishes her, even Chaiji adores her ... like I said, Veera would be in danger of being thoroughly spoiled if not for Ratan's strictness. And Veera is a patakhi ... egging on Gunjan to taunt and torment her brother ... Ranvi is the seedha loving, caring older brother and son, and Veera is the bright spark, who will always get into scrapes and leave her poor brother to clean up after her!
The Nihal mystery continues ...
*edit* I do wish they don't drag the evil Baldev and his scheming too long ... would rather watch more of the Nihal mystery unfold.
Qabool Hai
Na Bole Tum S2
Madhubala
IPKKND
Team Sarun with Abhaas Mehta (thanks, J!)
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3421585
Team Sarun visit with Utkarsha Naik
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3424182
Team Sarun with Rajesh Jais (Mamaji)
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3429765
Team Sarun visits the Gupta ladies - Buaji, Garima, Payal
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3430397
Team Sarun interview with Arshad Khan
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3431290
Sanaya news
Sanaya and Karan V Grover hosting a Valentine's Day special on Zee TV 'Ishq Wala Love' on 9th and 10th Feb ... I don't think it will broadcast here :( ... will have to catch it online.
*note* links and comments on the Sanaya post.
A new dance show on SP - Sanaya approached to host?
Telly chakkar article - Star Plus jumping on to the dance shows bandwagon, Karan Tacker, Sanaya, Karan Kundra and Kritika among the names being considered to host. Kritika is doing a show, is that ending? So is Karan T, but Behna has been under the scanner for ages, plus he's an experienced host. Hope if Sanaya does it, it's with Karan Tacker.
Veera ... the makers seem to have mastered the balance between sweet heartwarming kids' scenes which make you smile, and heart-wrenching ones of Ratan, Ranvi and even Kartar missing Sampooran. Veera 'writing' Ranvi's name, Ranvi always covers for his sister's tall stories, and then admonishes her, even Chaiji adores her ... like I said, Veera would be in danger of being thoroughly spoiled if not for Ratan's strictness. And Veera is a patakhi ... egging on Gunjan to taunt and torment her brother ... Ranvi is the seedha loving, caring older brother and son, and Veera is the bright spark, who will always get into scrapes and leave her poor brother to clean up after her!
The Nihal mystery continues ...
*edit* I do wish they don't drag the evil Baldev and his scheming too long ... would rather watch more of the Nihal mystery unfold.
Qabool Hai
Na Bole Tum S2
Madhubala
IPKKND
Team Sarun with Abhaas Mehta (thanks, J!)
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3421585
Team Sarun visit with Utkarsha Naik
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3424182
Team Sarun with Rajesh Jais (Mamaji)
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3429765
Team Sarun visits the Gupta ladies - Buaji, Garima, Payal
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3430397
Team Sarun interview with Arshad Khan
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3431290
Sanaya news
Sanaya and Karan V Grover hosting a Valentine's Day special on Zee TV 'Ishq Wala Love' on 9th and 10th Feb ... I don't think it will broadcast here :( ... will have to catch it online.
*note* links and comments on the Sanaya post.
Dia,
ReplyDelete"Two things here - this is why I always wanted the truth of WHEN exactly Khushi said yes to Shyam to come out to Arnav - that she resisted getting engaged for so long, that she was never happy about it, and that she gave in the night of Diwali - after the almost kiss, and after HE announced his engagement to La. And I wanted Payal, who had been the only witness to Khushi's despair that night when she returned from RM, to tell Arnav. And also they should have brought out how Buaji forced Khushi into the engagement for Babuji's sake. Never understood why they kept the Guptas out of it ... why Khushi couldn't tell Buaji and Amma that Arnav knew the truth about Shyam. That was one place where logic in the story telling was fully suspended.":
Dia,
All I can tell you is what you already know. The story was tweaked many times over for many reasons.
But this is how I expected that to come up.
DURING RTR. If the story had gone without the kidnap,
What would have happened at the end of 6 months?
ASR realises he made a mistake and wants to right his wrongs- agrees for a remarriage. BFTP erupts and he cannot make it in time for the wedding. Now knowing how Gul's original characterisation of ASR was toned down, I bet SP would not have allowed the heroine to go through the shame of being humiliated on the day of her wedding. If Gul had stuck to her original plan how would it be- Khushi gets defamed- Her Bauji gets one more attack in the shock- her family blames her for her thoughtlessness- drives her away/ Khushi runs away in guilt- she had indeed caused the damage to her family.
ASR returns ...and then he realises the impact of what he had done 6 months back. He had held an innocent girl at the threat to her sister's happiness- based on a MU- and that act which he had done in mockery- marrying her without the rituals, yet binding her to him by the Mangal Sutra- THAT MEMORY would haunt him- Khushi was blamed when he was the one who had blackmailed her. She had kept quiet for his sake and he was not even there to DEFEND HER.
When he gets back, he visits the Guptas and lets them know that it was HIM and reveals he had used Payal's marrige to blackmail Khushi- that would be RTR for Buaji, Payal, Garima...for the pain they put her through in the initial days...and then Payal multiplies his woes with the truth about Khushi's engagement to Shyam ...and he goes in search of her, thoroughly broken.
That is the logic I find , because I was expecting it too, and the story teller had kind of highlighted those scenes well.Gul must have had it in her mind to bring it somewhere along the show...it all got washed away in the flood. (When I was screaming RTR through the kidnap track, I did have this chhottu RTR for the Guptas also in mind- I had hated how Buaji accused Khushi, even though it was Garima who had hit her.)
About Khushi telling the Guptas ASR knows about Shyam- WHEN? She herself got to know about it at the end of her stay at GH...and then he had dragged her away- now after that if she tries to get them to verify the truth about the engagement, still, the question remains: What were you doing hugging the guy and saying ‘leave your wife’ IN FACT ASR DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM ACCEPTING THE ENGAGEMENT STORY. He never said, ‘I don’t believe you were engaged to Shyam’. If you watch that scene, he is almost believing her story when he suddenly comes up with the terrace scene- and POOR KHUSHI DOES NOT EVEN REMEMBER what she had said...: I agree it could have been solved through an extensive explaining session clearing all MUs....but then, it’d lead to ASR accepting her story WITH PROOF. The point was to bring out the UNCONDITIONAL LOVE- If in that process, logic gets suspended a bit...for me, that point Gul brought out was more important than any logic.
DeleteOn the hut scene: What you described is perfect. That is exactly what I meant to say too.
On re-kidnapping...ab kya boloon? When the kidnapping itself was not in the agenda...and all that rubbish we had to sit through for the sake of... I am not going to even think about it .That is the only part of IPK I cannot rewatch EVER, except for the Arhipathy bit.
Su,
DeleteRegarding your first comment about the re-marriage ... believe it or not, I was visualising EXACTLY the same scenario - have even started writing a small FF which goes exactly that way ... if I get around to writing more, will post it. It includes ASR then justifying his 'shatir dimaag' claims and actually doing something to expose Shyam in front of Anjali, getting him thrown out once and for all, getting Dadi to realise her mistake ... and then having cleared Khushi's name finally, trying to get her back ... and there STARTS his RTR ... okay, will not say more now, will try to write it and see how it goes :)
And about accepting her story ... he had accepted that he loved her regardless of everything ... now I wanted him to also find out about the forced engagement and Buaji's and Garima's role as a reinforcement for his RTR, not as a reason for accepting Khushi's word. Yes, I also wanted an RTR for Buaji and Garima. They, especially Buaji, were responsible for a lot of damage, and although Buaji did repent later, but the full extent of what she made Khushi go through, never came out to anyone, because the whole truth of the hate marriage was never revealed. Garima too, needed an RTR - she was the one most keen that Khushi keep quiet about Shyam to the Raizadas to save Payal's rishta ...
Kidnapping ... I will say they managed the first four weeks quite well, the script was taut ... the last two weeks, especially the pendrive nonsense got too stretched ... and we know that was done last minute because Barun's movie shoot got extended. But the Khushi-Mami Bond, the Khushi-NK parts were good - I really liked NK's role there, he truly became Khushi's saarthi. We had some very good discussions regarding Draupadi and Krishna those days - it was a good track, and well done. I liked both the triangles in IPK - ASR-Khushi-La and ASR-Khushi-NK ... the third wheel wasn't the typical vamp/villain, they ended up being really good friends. I also liked the Khushi-Shyam confrontation scenes during that track, especially the one in which Khushi convinces Shyam that she is out for revenge on Arnav. That made me feel that I would love to see Sanaya do a corporate businesswoman with a hint of ruthlessness - if we ever get such a character on Indian telly!
NOT the bedroom scenes - urrghh!!! Abhaas was excellent in those - he made us totally loathe Shyam!!!
Rekh,
ReplyDeleteThanks for appreciating my efforts.
No. Don't go nosediving in to QH- it can never replace a good book(s).
The love story is NOT the only thing that I find attractive in QH (though it certainly keeps me hooked on, and I swear I can see chemistry when I read their eyes- excellent actors)- and the other things can distract from the love story.
If you want to watch QH at a leisurely pace and not get confused- watch only the love scenes and read Victoria Hot's analysis - she is quite good. Writes well too.
Hey, I thought even J had lost interest in QH- I was just happy to answer the questions- BECAUSE I LOVE YOUR QUESTIONS- *hugs * both of you.
Su, I watch QH (when I do!) for everything BUT the love scenes ;) Seriously, the Rashid-Dilshad mystery and the Asad-Ayaan bonding is what I like ... though I have to say Surbhi has improved quite a bit, she is acting instead of only shrieking now! Although the whole Zoya chasing after the killer with a gun was quite ROFLworthy - as was Najma and Mariam weeping copiously over Dilshad instead calling calling for a doc or police!
DeleteHi everyone :)
ReplyDeletesorry guess am late for weekend bak-bak, just went through the posts there and positng my bit down here, excuse me if i am missing on any post, not intentional :D (do i sound like SP ticker :P)
firstly @ Monu..thanks a lot for the hindustan times link abt tv shows now.. very aptly written, i have heard the same things specially about music channels from my LNMDJ friends, really wish things start looking up in TV viewing, would love variety in entertainment.
@Jaya thanks for sharing that last day ipk link..yes i was talking abt that.. that stuble/sweater etc i felt Viraf was in kinda ASRish look :) and thanks for the other links too.. i really felt bad for Sanaya that day :( btw in that 1-year cake cutting celebration i heard Barun screaming "mera pehla show jisne 1 saal complete kiya," :D poor guy he would never have imagined the show will shut down abruptly and he will be blamed for it :(
and really had good time watching that nainital epi link again, i thoroughly enjoyed the characterization of kushi those days, she was adorable without going OTT.
@Su, like Sarada has mentioned already RBO is rang badalti odhini, i loved the title track, it was done by shankar,ihsan, loy team, i saw it in beginning just for KT, but then did not continue, it did well for itself i think. the PH though very new like 4Lions is fantastic in terms of management and running a successful show, so can say both Veera and Junoon are in safe hands. I am not following Junoon per se, but watch few scenes here and there, now there is hate-marriage going on there, what is with hindi TV serials and hate-marriages :S
Regarding PV, am not sure abt Arti's first husband's funeral scene etc as of now yash-arti have signed the divorce papers and the kidnappers want yash to get married immediately to some other girl and yash's father has spoken to another rich family for alliance and they are rushing through the wedding, but yash is making his own plans to get Ansh rescued by making kidnapper believe that he and arti are sticking to the divorce, remarriage plan, etc, both he and arti are now convinced that the kidnapper is from their own family as they are not asking for money, but are making demands of yash's divorce/remarriage etc and they both suspect buaji, so should see what happens
Regarding Veera, what if Sampooran is not dead and hes in jail or something like that.. that is also an option, but i guess for Ranvir to become anokhi ma, Ratan should kinda become totally inactive, so her husband being in jail will not be as much shocking as he not being alive, i think she may go into shock and not be able to fend for her kids as a mother and that is when Ranvir takes care of veera.. i also think they might not bring in any Nihal-Ratan story as such, bcus the premise of this story is different, should wait and watch i guess, am liking the pace at which the story is going, hoping to see good story telling here.
@Nandani - glad you liked it - it really summed up the TV world - to me the mention of TWTW brought back memories, i was barely 13 when it started on TV but i remember growing up to new that was new - presently calmly, reasonable and in a very dignified manner - not the judgmental high pitched screeching of people like Arnab G (even if i like his topic, i just cant stand the anchor!)
DeleteAlso about the tv serials - we really don't know comedy - decent comedy any more and series may start off well but they all end up looking the same - the line that struck me most - that stories don't proceed or end as planned - they continue till "all options of various tracks have ended!!!" - so true
to end on a good note - came across this - the music brought back my childhood :D
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/ndtv-specials/1988-first-cut-the-world-that-week/45117
Saw a note on the weekend bak bak that spoke to camera angles, editor and team work (from J), so sharing this tidbit I read in the paper recentlÿ:
Delete"Francis Coppola had said that no film is ever as good as the rushes and no film is ever as bad as the first rough cut. If you saw the first rough cut of The Godfather, you'd be horrified. It was a B-grade gangster movie and then they worked on it for years and years before it became a masterpiece.
I did sit through post production and learnt from Deepa and her editor about montage and how the tiniest adjustments added to the rhythm of a scene. Movies are made in the editing room and it was great to actually see it happen."
Fascinating and quite interesting - from a creative mind to an on-paper interpretation to its execution and packaging for viewers without loss in translation. Hmm!
@ Mona thanks for sharing the NDTV TWTW link, it was really good to see Prannoy Roy presenting and also noticed that quite a few senior journalists were working for them then. His wife, Radhika Roy and CPM leader Brinda Karat are sisters. Once i had seen Brinda Karat's intv and she was telling that both the sisters got a very good foundation regaring being socially responsible from their dad.
DeleteAgree with you about news anchoring nowadays, along with Arnab who screechs there is also another senior anchor/journalist Karan Thappar, though i find that he is very well-versed in his field, i find him irritating that he never allows his guests to complete a sentence, his interview more than often look like interrogation.
This reminded me that after that Radia case, i myself have become very wary of media in general and am really not in favor of sensationalization of news in the electronic media. i had come across this intv, i liked what Arun Shourie said abt media and their responsibilities, check from 5:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuI62uvk34I
@ Sandy agree with what you said about editing, i think editing is what makes or breaks any audio/visual presentation be it a documentary/serial/cinema. somehow i find most of the editing in TV serials nowadays horrible, i am guessing its mainly due to time constraints and telecast pressure, its really sad that quality is getting compromised for quantity. the other day came across this on TC, it makes sense to some extent of why the TV content has become what it is today i guess
Deletehttp://www.tellychakkar.com/behind-lens/television-today-has-very-few-good-actors-creative-director-niraj-kumar-mishra
Nice article, Nandini!
DeleteMy daughter made a short film for college recently - she put together a six minute film, with all the fade in, fade out effects, the background music, adding the credits etc, it took her 6 hours, with professional help. Ages ago, we put together a movie on one of our holiday trips, again the kids did the voiceover, editing, BG music etc ... it took us a whole day and more.
We really don't realise the amount of work that goes into editing and the rest, and how it shapes the final product. Often we see the actors sitting hunched around the monitor, they also want to know how they've done, how the shot came ... it's a whole different world, and pretty fascinating too. Coming to TV, it's easy to say they do bad job, but we forget they're working to constant deadlines ... when editing in movies can be so terrible, when they have all the time in the world, then television editors do have a legit excuse, I feel. Again comes back to the daily soap format, which is the worst thing for creativity and quality.
I watched a behind the scenes filming of Friends ... it's fascinating to watch. They film in front of a live audience, and gauge the response to the jokes ... the actors ad lib a lot ... it was one of the most fun segments to watch.
Nandini / Dia
DeleteNice article nandini.
I agree TV is demanding and given the high level multitasking, all the more important to have a set idea where all the team is aware of what are the story points planned for this duration. Else even for directors and actors it will be tough because they shoot a few things, they get edited to potray something different or if they shot multiple options then unless you know for sure what went thru, the expressions and emotions in the subsequent scene may look off to us as audience.
Movies is like first impressions or that first date where you aim to blow away whereas TV is like a good relationship where you learn to keep falling in love again and again with the same set of people.
As for poor editing and technical values, films award them, fete these technical guys whereas TV only fetes the onscreen team primarily. When you want people to excel there must be an incentive.
Another thing about the actors is a point I hvae also felt, so much so that the focus is to keep audience reeled in for the actor or teh grandiose sets not the character. That strategy is conducive to poor quality in all other aspects.
I know there are strong sentiments about EK, but read this interview and see what you all make of it. (link it up to the recent article about more states coming on board for TAM and the race for channel and time slot supremacy.
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-02-06/news-interviews/36765373_1_yash-raj-phir-audience
Time, actors are all constraints but IMO it is the pure business sense with which channels and serials are run (to make a profit) that is the biggest villain of them all.
@Dia..i too have seen some links of behind the scenes of Friends, its really very enjoyable, i think Friends is one of those serials that you end up lol how many ever times you might have watched it :D
Delete@Sandy, thanks for sharing that article. I blame EK for all the rotten saas-bahu sagas that we get on indian tv nowadays bcus she was the one who started it BUT we have to give it to the lady that she can hold her fort, she has immense sense of business acumen. I think she is a fit example for the saying "the show must go on." There is a lot of things that younger PH houses should learn from her *Hint Hint* :P :D and she is very smart to know her short comings and hence she experimented with a different genre altogether for films hence carving a niche for her PH.
@ Anita..glad to hear your mom is doing better now, take care :)
ReplyDeleteRegarding Sanaya-Gul intv, it was nice to see a more relaxed and happy Sanaya. Somehow, from whatever i saw through the forum32 intvs of Gul with Barun before and Sanaya now, i can sense good camraderie among them. I cannot for the love of god see ANY discomfort whatsoever in their relationship, i really dnt know how some ppl saw so many things during Barun's intv. I am sure even now ppl on IPK forum will be ruing about edited/scripted intv.
ReplyDeleteBarun and Sanaya respects Gul a lot and they admire her for her creativity, talent and hardwork.
I agree that the whole thing was not handled in a thorough professional way by Gul/4lions and they have made mistakes, blunders, wrong decision making, absolutely no proper planning, no foresight, mismanagement, but that is all i can blame them for. i will not agree that Gul/4lions purposely created a situation so that IPK gets shut down or the whole blame goes on Barun, etc.
Usually when trps start falling of what was once a successful show, star shifts the show timings and gives it some more time and then shuts shop if it still does not do well after some time(eg Navya). i guess even 4lions thought may be that is what SP might do this time too, that is why the were planning for a future story for Kushi, if clicked they will continue warna they will close the show. Many things did not work on many levels.
One more thing according to me is neither PH/Channel did any favors for Barun or Barun to them, they obliged each other bcus they too would benefit. I do not think Barun has any problem with Gul, yes he might have been hurt by the SP ticker and bcus of that the bashing he got in the online forums.
I for one feel that Gul still shares a warm relationship with Barun and Sanaya, and if Gul was as bad as she was made out to be i do not think both of them would have done intvs with her, specially Sanaya now after 2 months of the show was over and its very clear from many intvs of Sanaya that she would not mind working with Gul again as she feels comfortable with her.
I personally think Gul and her team is really very talented, only drawback of them is they buckle under pressure from fans/channels alike, hope they learn to stay firm on their decisions.
Looking forward to see the next part of intv. The way only Gul was convinced of Sanaya as Kushi shows how much of a sharp eye Gul has for talent, i for one would love to see Sanaya work with Gul again on something different and exciting.
Nandini, yes, my feeling too ... Star doesn't normally shut down shows without warning, even Maryada was given an end date of two months and then got an extension at the last moment, and got 3-4 months more. EDSKHPH, the show before Khamoshiyan was yanked off very abruptly too, I think just two week's notice, but it was shifted to a different slot till the current track ended ... Navya actually got two extensions, and after the second it was shifted to a new slot before being taken off air. I guess that's what SP and PH planned with IPK, depending on response.
DeleteWatching QH (off and on) I do get the feeling that 4 Lions is trying to learn from their mistakes - again, more will be known after one year ;) ... but so far QH is more balanced and has multiple tracks going on simultaneously. However IPK was the same at the start, so wait for a year and then comment on that!
But their casting has gone wrong for this show ... the younger cast is still quite raw after over 3 months on air. Which is the big difference from IPK, where the entire cast had settled into character within a month. I think 4 lions is also gaining in reputation with each successful show - so far they have put out two - Geet was a huge success on a small platform, their first ... IPK was of course a huge success on a far bigger platform ... if QH repeats even some of the success of IPK, the PH will be well established and may ... repeat MAY ... be able to withstand channel pressure. But they still need to stay away from fan pressure, in my opinion ... they should surf the forums silently, and not interact as much as they do. Reading Nishi's posts, which Su posted, I find Nishi trying to explain the story ... the whole point is she should be just taking the feedback to the PH, and they should be clarifying WITHIN the show, rather than to online fans. And they should confine themselves to that, or to making changes as required, rather than try to justify themselves to online fans.
Yes, Gul and before her, Nissar ... they were the ones to spot Sanaya ... and presumable Barun and the rest as well ... Barun has the classy good looks of a business tycoon when he's well dressed and shaved, so he would have looked the part to a T ... bu to make Sanaya look like a simple small town girl was a challenge! That's probably part of the reason for the horrendous costumes - though the ones pre-marriage were far better than the ones post-marriage! The acting of course was all Sanaya's contribution ... hats off to her for that!
If the PH can stick to their storylines and manage their schedules better, I too wouldn't mind seeing Sanaya back with them, especially as she likes the team so much. Anyway, she's a hard worker, and seems to have had less problem with the schedules ... although she also did mention once that she has no life outside the show while it was on air. But then, she's single and Mohit is in the industry, both things make a difference.
Dia, for some strange reason I really wish SI comes in a new show with a new PH. I am not too fond of SP but we have to agree that when numbers are counted SP is the biggest platform so I am okay with SI coming on SP but somehow Sanaya should do something different. The problem with 4Lions is consistency and sustainability. All their serials don't have the same quality towards the end and all of their serials are only of 1 yr duration - If the serial extends further then it is pure torture and we will end up with something that is entirely different. Once Gul and 4Lions are able to deliver 2-3 serials with good quality for 2 yrs, that's when I can have some confidence on this PH.
DeleteThe problem with Indian Television is that the roles that girls get are very limited. They may start out different but eventually they are watered down so much and are slotted to be the perfect patni/daughter/DIL. That is what I hate in Indian Serials. Only few shows had really good characterizations - I love Sarabhai Vs Sarabhai for this reason. It is a good stress buster for me whenever I want to rewind. Would love to see SI in such a serial and as Sanaya said comedy is really difficult and I am sure Sanaya would deliver a good work here.
I want Sanaya in a good romantic show, a serious one, not just comedy ... that would necessarily involve some family drama, but there are some shows which do different things, or try to ... problem is they don't top the TRP charts. I include Maryada and SGP among those - that's why I followed them. She enjoys comedy, but she's excellent in serious, emotional scenes, not just crying scenes ... and she can do quiet tongue in cheek humor brilliantly. She did that a little in MJHT, and she was fabulous. It takes a lot of intelligence and thought to write good comedy, and that doesn't happen often. It did happen in IPK - the scene where Khushi tells Arnav that her 'batti is gul' was brilliant. But a good comedy show would have to be a weekly show - no one can write good comedy day in day out ... it's far more difficult than a serious drama.
DeleteWhat I would love to see Sanaya in, is a new version of Astitva, or Saans, a betrayed wife picking herself up and moving forward ... or even a new version of Tum Bin. No crying, no emotional drama, but quiet dignity and grace under pressure. I loved Nikki Aneja in Astitva and Nina Gupta in Saans ... my two all-time favorite shows.
Ah yes, and T&C for 4 Lions ...
- They need to get over their brooding guy and chirpy girl hangover - 3 shows on the same theme - enough! Think of a new theme.
- They need to write strong characterization for BOTH male and female leads, and STICK to them consistently.
- They need to concentrate on both leads at the same time, not in turns (this from the discussion on QH :)
- They need to have strong supporting cast and parallel stories ... and link them logically to the main story ... that might be asking for too much, logic! This goes for all Indian shows, not just 4 Lions :)
- They need to have two creative teams, and camera teams, so that they can shoot two tracks simultaneously.
- They need to have more than one bedroom as shooting location,which needs to be interchanged among couples.
- They need to visit a few tycoons' homes to check out what a tycoon's bathroom looks like. Oh wait, they did - they incorporated the changes in QH :(
- They need to hire good dress designers and have a decent budget for costumes.
- They need to stop interacting with online fans, and learn to stalk silently, and sift the sensible suggestions from the kneejerk teenage reactions. By teenage reactions, I include all those not from teenagers, but which sound as though they are from teenagers.
- They need to then have the courage to stick to their storyline in the face of channel and fan pressure ... that is the toughest one.
A line for SP here too ... they need to stop interfering from the word Go and once they have approved a show, let the creatives tell the story their way, at least for the first few months. Especially since their interference is not having any noticeable effect on increasing TRP's. No, I don't like Khamoshiyan ... much .... but I do feel sorry for the cv's.
Agree 100% on your terms and conditions Dia - especially the PH having more than one bedroom as a shooting location and few good parallel tracks running.
DeleteAnd the main thing I want from 4Lions is that they don't demean their leads - especially their ladies. No physical violence in name of passion/love and no watering down the character down the lane. Also it is high time they get a new concept for their show - the chirppy heroine meeting a kadoos person is so done. And absolutely no reusing the same wardrobe - Sanaya had only one red blouse which I think she wore on every saree. Get some good wardrobe for the leads and make them look the part and spend some money for showing festivals and definitely have some outdoor shoots.
SP should stop with their creative team jumping in and giving ideas. Let the PH do their work and let SP promote the show and just sit back.
Dia,
DeleteSHIDDAT - to that list up there. Actually I would Amen that for any PH and any channel - thereby increasing the possibility that a serial and a storyline are fairly synonymous not mutually exclusive.
And one more - ration the glycerine supply per show per week.
Plus I am tiring a bit of this aping strategies across channels, longer serial week, joint episode for 2 serials. What happened to standing out in a crowd or individuality or a signature style? :S
And yes like Sarada said, can someone please write a partway decent female character and not this watered down neither here nor there kinds.
Why does not someone make a Parineeta or even a Sister of my Heart for TV? The latter was attempted years ago in Tamil for TV (Snegidhi) and had a good female cast. One of my earliest memories was K.Balachander's Kaialavu Manasu. I think runtime of some 30 odd episodes and a specific storyline.
Book adaptations may be a start for there the character is better fleshed out than a simple one line vision. Maybe a Choker Bali or an adaptation of My Sister's Keeper.
For that matter a good comedy like Dekh Bhai Dekh or Sarabhai vs Sarabhai. Aaj kal utter bakwaas is tagged comedy most times :(
Heck given the lightness with which relationships are potrayed they should perhaps attempt a rom com type serial loosely based on Sex and the City or The Devil Wears Prada.
I wish they would learn - One thing does not make the other bad or vice-versa so if a woman / person thinks for self it does not dilute the other facets or importance of other relationships. I recently heard it said that if you do not feel good about self it is possible you do not feel good about the world / people around you but that does not mean that they are bad. All it needs perhaps is a slight shift in the way people interact with you and vice-versa.
Sometimes I wonder if the farcical nature of TV in recent times and the restrictions of the medium have actually accelerated the growth of small budget niche films with more scope for taut story and actual creativity!
Dia,
DeleteThumbs up to all the T&C with regards to 4L :D. I think the way they will handle QH in the long run will be the deciding factor for this PH if they are really serious about their own craft. I read your point regarding that Nishi female in the QH forum and i fully agree. The makers of RBO/Veera/Junoon are also a very young team, they too are on FB/online forums etc, but i have observed they just filter the feedbacks and do not plant spoilers or justify/explain their tracks.
Anyways, at the end of the day like i said before if GU/4Lions does not learn from their mistakes then no amount of coffee/tea sessions is gonna help them :)
As far as Sanaya, i would like to see her doing good work. I also think it will take anywhere near 6 months or more for any new show to start since a lot of things have to work out, hoping the best for her. She has already specified she is gonna be off Saas-Bahu stories and i find that very good. I too as an audience look forward to some substantial characterization with regards to female protogonist on our TV.
@Sandy, book adapted stories on our TV now, i really doubt :( that will need more time and experimenting, which no one is prepared to take the risk now.
I watched all epis of DBD on YT when one of my LNMDJ friend's recommended it, loved it and Sarabhai V/S Sarabhai is my all-time fav, i never missed it when it used to air and i watch it even today when i need a good laugh or just to relax :). Most of the comedy on SAB TV is nothing but buffoonery i feel.
I think YRF is the only PH to have been bold enough to experiment ... they did a show based on a novel (Kane and Abel - Kismat), they did a fixed number of episodes, although they stuck to the daily soap format, but the story lines were written from the start and they stuck to them ... R.com, Mahi Way ... it's really unfortunate that these shows didn't click with the masses. So then how do you assign the blame to the makers, when the ones who ARE bold enough to try, don't meet with enough success for their efforts. I think that's exactly the point Sanaya also made in her Zing article.
DeleteThere has to be a consensus somewhere - between channels, makers, producers ... all the powers-that-be ... to produce content for the masses, and also produce just one or two shows for a niche audience, which are not subject to TRP maata ... where the makers are allowed to experiment a bit out of the box. Star Plus backed Maryada for over a year - I think it ran for 1 1/2 years, they didn't buckle under TRP pressure, and the makers did stick to their basic story of four women ... it was never a TRP topper, but it was slot leader for a good long time. Sony seems to be doing the same with BALH and KTLK ... BALH is doing ok on TRP's, but KTLH hasn't ever done well, despite changing the time slot ... I don't follow it, but it was originally based on Dhoop Kinare, so again an attempt to be different. Although it could be done MUCH better, I have to say!
Someone mentioned the dearth of writers and the lack of content ... that is really key to the whole mess. Agree to what Sandy said about joint episodes of two shows too ... just underlines the lack of creativity, if you can mix and match different shows so easily and frequently ... do they have NO distinguishing features at all?! I think Ekta did the entire TV industry the biggest disservice when she brought in daily saas bahu soaps ... the industry has never quite recovered. These have become like drugs ... mind-numbing and addictive, o people sit down in front of the tv every day to watch other people going through exactly what they are going through themselves!
Apart from the shows mentioned here, I also remember Malgudi Days and the call of Swamiiiii ... again I find that the shows we all seem to remember all belong to the pre-Ekta saas bahu daily soap days!
Dia,
DeleteWith the mention of Malgudi Days, I remember the title song - ta na na tanna na. Too good and there was no title song per se but only this tune going on. And I remember Anant Nag used to work in this serial as Swami's father when he was an established actor in Kanada film industry. Used to love that show. It was crisp and didn't drag according to whims and fancies of the channel. Few other serials I used to adore when I was growing up was Chunauti (was a 13 episode serial and title song was too good - har par jeevan ka ek chunauti hai and Mohan bhandari was a teacher in the show) and Udaan. Wish we go back to pre-Ekta era and this whole saas bahu thing gets wiped off.
Malgudi days and Swami :) .. i had first read the book and then caught up with the epis on YT.. frankly yaar thanks to YT, i have seen so many serials of an era, which i was not part of :D
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Gul/4lions will not be so severely judged by their own in this mishap of ipk, bcus unlike fans ppl from industry will know how many times many things might not work out well for the PH/show.
ReplyDeleteActually its very true that ppl who are involved with the serials think more practically about it than us audience who get attached at an emotional level. Be it creatives, actors/actress or technical crew all of them would love to grow, how much ever a show would have been famous they would never want their whole career to be only judged by that one show. For them its like "Ghoda ghas se dosti karega tho kayega kya."
Though each of their work will be dear to them they would always want their audience to remember them for a whole body of work be it the PH/actor/actress/writers/technicians. So, Ipk was ignored i agree, but may be due to so many other reasons and there were many others other than Gul involved in ipk who were not in QH, so putting the blame entirely on Gul and saying she ignored IPK bcus of QH is what i am not sure of.
Seeing the news about Sanaya hosting with KT.. i would love to see it :D
ReplyDeleteI would love that too ... I was wondering if Sanaya is still with Star, this news indicates that she very much is. Which is both good and bad :) ... Star doesn't repeat its lead heroines as often or as quickly as Zee does, so a show will take time, but the exposure she can get with hosting might be more.
DeleteAnyway, it's good that we might get to see her on screen in the meantime ... a new show takes 6 months to a year to get on air. Unless one of the shows in the pipeline has not yet finalised their cast, and they and she find it suitable ... then we might get her sooner.
Dia, Like I said earlier SP's slots are all booked till mid of next year and there will be new slots opening up once YRK and SNS are axed. But seeing how these old horses are the ones that are dragging the SP's TRP meters, I am not sure if SP would exactly axe these shows. It is good that Sanaya is coming as a host. The pressure would be less and she is also working. I am never a big fan of dance reality shows but I am willing to give this show a chance just to see SI on screen. She has a vivacious personality and she would definitely rock the show as an anchor. No idea how Karan does anchoring so let me wait and watch.
DeleteUrgh Seems like I am stuck in time machine in dec. I meant mid of this year and not next year. I don't see any other new shows coming on SP until June 2013 other than those that are already slated like SC, daag and sherdil shergill.
DeleteNope, neither do I, and until at least a couple of those new shows take off and do well, SP can't axe any of the old ones, because they're the only ones keeping SP afloat right now. Veera is doing okay on the charts, PKDH is now quite bad! Which means it must be getting good TRP's :)))
DeleteDance reality shows ... I hardly watch reality shows now, I used to love SaReGaMaPa till the voting nonsense came in and all the sob stories started ... earlier it was all about sheer talent, and they had judges of the calibre of Pandit Jasraj, Asha Bhonsle and the like and the best comperes too - Sonu Nigam and Shaan were really good comperes - Shreya Ghoshal was a discovery there, I think so was Sunidhi ... but now the good singers with strong classical base get voted out, and the mediocre ones who can sing the popular songs get selected ...
I'm not a great judge of dance, I prefer classical, both Western and Indian, to the popping, cracking and whatever other new stuff is there ... that's why I'm quite enjoying NB5, surprisingly! It's good to watch and the dancers have great costumes, I watch the dances and enjoy them and mute the judges comments and the vote appeals!
Let's see if Sanaya comes as host ... SBS said Kritika and Sanaya were being considered, and they didn't mention Karan T. He's a decent anchor - saw him in SPA and something else, and I know he went for IIFA to Singapore.
Earlier SaReGaMa was good when Sonu was the anchor. You had popular personalities as judges and they used to have good singers with good classical background. And then the online voting started getting popular and everything went out the window and we got mediocre ones become the winners.
DeleteI am okay with dancing shows for adults but the thing that puts me off is the Little kids dancing - dancing to all the songs with the steps and nakras, I can't imagine a 10 yr old swaying seductively no matter even when it is just a dance. For god sake she is as old as my younger daughter. If they were adults around 18+, I can understand but I can never understand kids less than 12 yrs doing all these dances. Puts me off when I am watching. Nach Baliye I am catching off/on but I don't like Shilpa as judge. Vaibhavi or Farah would have been a better choice.
BTW, Diwali kiss scene was by Arshad Bhai!!!! Shweths hi5 :D
ReplyDeletecyaa all .. take care GN:)
PS: ignore typos pleeeej :D
HI 5!!! Finalllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyy.........You know if you think of top 10 scenes of IPK, atleast 8 would have been directed by Arshad, soooooooo what did LMji do, busy envisioning and directing his FB status and quotes?
Deletehiii Shweths!!! u back :D
Deletehaan re updating cut its on FB is a tough job..
okayy sorry i dnt mean to be rude, will give due credit to LM for he too has done an excellent work, but what irked me was that his co-director was not even given a mention upar se LM fans cosidered Arshad his assistant :/ and the amount of petitions to bring back LM without realizing that even good directors cannot do much with horrible scripts hmpfff :/
chalo koi bath nahi.. saari sachai bahar arahi hai :D
teamsarun abhaas mehta interview
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Watched .. nice guy, articulate ... has to be, he's a lawyer by training!
DeleteActors and lawyers both lie for a living *rofl*
Frankly says his first show never saw the light of day ... it was never aired.
The complexity of Shyam attracted him to the role - playing good and bad, two opposite shades in the same man ...
He's very shy when doing romantic scenes *rofl* ... fulsome praise for Daljeet and Sanaya, they were far senior to him, both were big names in the industry, the whole world knew them, and he was a newcomer, yet they both made him feel so comfortable ...
He never expected the Best Villain awards ... most villains are very senior, and are usually women *rofl again* ... but happier that audiences still remember Shyam, the character.
Spoke about gymming and his passion for physical fitness. Doing a cricket tournament in Africa as a fundraiser.
A little bit about his new show, it's adapted from a Bengali show ... by the makers of SGP, and SGP was also a remake of a Bengali show if I remember right ... should be worth a try - family drama, but not saas bahu ... Seems like most actors dislike saas bahu drama, yet the makers and channels still insist on shoving those down our throats!
Ended with thanks to the fans for loving him and remembering him. Nice watch.
Saw Friday's MB, and my two cents on it - adding to Mona and J's takes, my feelings too - where are they going? They seem to be lost! And both actors have lost their spark, VD's dialogue delivery was his strong point, that seemed pheeka and forced on Friday. WHY do channels insist on 6 day weeks - 5 days is difficult enough to manage, and here they're compounding the problems! I felt both the actors looked tired. I like Dipali's saris!
ReplyDeleteAnyway, my take is, RK will have an accident or something, which stops his acting career - he's not a businessman to make losses, and even if he was, he could recover by doing another film. So it has to be something that stops his acting career and forces Madhu into it instead.
My two penny's worth - have not been following the show AT ALL, so I could be dead wrong!
Dia, MB is supposed to be having a big twist on Frr-Sat episodes according to the maker of the show. There is a promo airing which suggests RK could turn back to being evil (they are taking the pheres again and just as MB walks ahead of him, he stops, tugs at the ghatbandhan and smirks). One theory is that he was acting all along and it was his way of taking revenge on Madhu (to make her fall for him and then ditch her at the alter) which I find ridiculous. RK has progressed so much that going this route is suicidal to the show. The other alternative (if he really is giving that evil smile) is that he is pretending to be taking revenge because of some strong reason (maybe he has some fatal illness and wants MB to hate him or something). It could also be a storm in a tea cup, meaning RK is just being naughty and scaring MB (he is capable of that) only to let her know he really wants the marriage. We'll have to wait to see what they have in store.
DeleteOpti, there's a TB article which says the same thing you just said ... all I can say is, with RK and MB already in love and having confessed, something had to happen - either this or some other tragedy ... otherwise what could they have shown? Happy Ending?
DeleteI guess like someone (was it you?) said that the hate marriage was brought in to increase TRP's, and now they're trying to go back to what the original story was - RK forcing MB into a career she never wanted, as revenge ... the problem is that after taking such a detour, and on top of that, making them fall in love and confess, you can't go back to the original story ... no sense or logic!
I can guess the MB forum will erupt! :D
Opti,
DeleteRead the new Tellybuzz article on IF. Seems like RK is going to take revenge on Madhu by making her fall for him and then leave her again at altar *faceplam*. This is going to be suicide for RK's character - they could have taken so many different routes for getting Madhu into film world - Like RK's current movie flopping and he is in dire need of money, or RK's accident but in the end they are going to assassinate the character of RK and make Madhu heroine so that the tagline comes true. Kudos to the creators if they are going to go this way. I don't understand the concept of ridiculing women in today's serials - like the lead can slap a lady who is guest at his house(passed off as passion - how it qualifies as passion god only knows) and after going so far in the relationship RK will dump his wife because all this while he was planning for revenge. I can't say anything now.
In this context I remember Abhigyana Shakuntala written by Kalidasa. Everyone knows the story of Dushyant and Shakuntala - the actual story is that Dushyant lives with Shakuntala and then abandons her.Actually Dushyant and Shakuntala appear in Mahabharat as Bharat their son is the ancestors of Pandavas and Kauravas but in that story Dushyant actually dumps Shakuntala after living with her. When Kalidasa is thinking of writing their story as a love story, he introduces the whole funda of Dushyant *forgetting* (emphasis is on forgetting) Shakuntala due to a curse of Dhurvasa and the reason he introduces this in his story is because he feels a hero of a story can't be this flawed as a human(meaning he can't do this thing of dumping a girl after staying with her) and so to make his hero more human and ideal for that age - he introduces the whole concept of a Dushyant forgetting Shakuntala due to curse and then regret and redemption when the curse is broken. Sigh how times have changed. Earlier the writers couldn't have heroes with flaws and now the creative writers pass on all these including mockery of marriage as romance.Kalidasa when he is writing his masterpiece covers this flaw of a man dumping a woman after living with her as a curse given by a sage thereby making the hero a flawed but good human being and Kalidasa doesn't leave Dushyant easy. Kalidasa makes Dushyant go through hard redemption for his fault and it is really poetic to study and read the way Dushyant feels bad for not remembering Shakuntala when she comes to him.
That is the reason Kalidasa's drama is known as Abhigyana Shakuntalam which means Shakuntala recognized due to a token(in this case a ring).
If this is the way GH and others want to take MB, then this serial is dead for me. I actually jump on/off MB bandwagon - can't stand the serial straight for 2 days but now I don't even want to tune in. So much for a serial that was shot on large scale and that too in Ramoji Film city. So finally the creatives get Madhu to be a heroine and we have Madhubala the leading lady who wanted only love but got betrayal at every step. Okay nice knowing this show but I don't think I will tune in.
Sarada ... slap passed as passion ... lots of them found it romantic too ... I need my puke bag !
DeleteSama,
DeleteI have no idea how the slap was found to be romantic. I just hope the creatives don't fill in the young girls mind with stupid ideas - like to be in love means you can show your haq on her and can slap her. No one should be allowed to slap you and that is not romantic. I was watching a very hit telugu movie with my family and this after ages of not watching any Indian movies and in that movie the hero doesn't call the girl by her name at all, he just says hey and she runs around him. In fact the heroine even jokes that she will marry when the hero will call her by her name - this shows that she does expect the respect back. The creatives could have left it at that but nope the whole movie was - whenever the hero comes home and says hey - the girl goes around running and attending to his 101 wishes. It was a really *headdesk* moment for me. I decided I am better off not watching these kind of movies which say that as a woman my life should revolve around the wishes of my better half.
MB: Now all of you can safely say there is something wrong with me. :D
DeleteI have not watched it for a long time..watched that Fact or fiction game between RK and Madhu yesterday, and I actually liked the direction of the script.
The game as such was a good idea, if it is meant to convey what it conveys.
When Madhu says she can read the truth in RK's eyes even when he is keeping a straight face lying to her...there is a lot of potential in that statement.
As I see many posts on IPK, sharing this one (I had made it in reply to someone else's on IF). An impromptu take of the journey through my eyes. Hope you enjoy!
ReplyDelete"Chupke se sun, is pal ki dhun
Is pal main jeevan saara
Sapnon ki hai duniya yehi
Meri aankhon se dekho zara"
Arnav and Khushi's duniya - ajeeb to many but a beautiful sapnon ki duniya
Where silence spoke resoundingly
Words fell short but eyes conversed with passion
Language varied but music bridged the conversation
Nafrat always poked its head with mohabbat making things all fine eventually
Relationships were not about being related by blood but having ties of the heart that tugged and pulled yet stayed connected
Colours of passion, calm, jealousy, prosperity, came together to speak their own tale
A tale as old as time of a Beauty and her Beast!
A duniya where stars sparkled and pearls shimmered
Where hello hi bye bye mamis fought with hai re nandkishore buajis
Where a patient father guided and blessed while a worried mother fussed
Where elder sisters cared about their younger siblings, one read his pain while the other read her fears
Where a damaad ruthlessly schemed and deceived while a mama became a father like figure
Where brothers were pilaars to Bhai either by their silent support or mischievious pranks
Where a nani inculcated tradition yet embraced change while a dadi stood shackled in the ravages of time
Where chamkeeli La and meh Laxmi added colour to the story
Where she made jalebis when stressed and he dabbled in gardening to destress
And somewhere betwen it all, sanka devi and laad governor managed
Rabba Ve
Faraq Padhtha Hai
Dammit
WT
Hi
Tum Theek Ho
Aisa Kyun Hota Hai
I Hate You
I Love You Dammit
Chhodiye Hume
Sambhaalta Rahoonga
Always
Humeshaa
Meant Nothing
Samjhi Tum
A story of Arnav Singh Raizada and Khushi Kumari Gupta - Singh Raizada
humeshaa...
a character that gave a full sheet of emotions for the phrase "tum theek ho?"... who felled a nation of women with a simple yet loaded "hi"..
Deletea story where "chamkili" went from rotten insult to treasured honorific..
kabhi na bhool payenge in rangeen pal..
J,
DeleteHuggs!! So many commonplace things now have special memories after the past year :))
sandy - awwww - now how do i show a bunch of HAAs clapping - so you need to imagine that too..
DeleteSandy I Love You Dammit !! A big bear wala hug !!! :D
DeleteMonu,
DeleteHuggs!!
Sama,
Hum bhi aapse I love you dammit :))
Another Last Day Last Show post - a response on someone else's; my way of saying Thank You for all the fun and good times to the show.
ReplyDelete"Alvida toh unhe karna hi tha
aaj nahi toh phir kabhi
Rukhsati toh unse leni hi thi
aaj nahi toh phir kabhi
Magar jaate jaate bhi woh hume hasaa gaye
Ankhon main nami ki bajaai
hothon par muskuraahat de gaye"
For Arnav and Khushi who found each other and humeshawaala pyaar..
Faili thi siyaan raatein
Aaya tu subah leke
Bewajah si zindagi mein
Jeene ki wajah leke
Khoya tha samandaron mein
Tanha safina mera
Sahilon pe aaya hai tu
Jaane kis tarah leke
Kuch toh hai tujhse raabta
Kuch toh hai tujhse raabta
Kaise hum jaane humein kya pata
Kuch toh hai tujhse raabta
Ab kya hai kehna
Humko hai rehna
Jannatein bhulaa ke
Teri baahon mein panaah leke
For us ajeeb audience who found a show to love and agonize over:
Meherbaani jaate jaate
Mujhpe kar gaya
Guzarata sa lamha ek
Daaman bhar gaya
Tera nazaara mila,
Roshan sitaara mila
Takdeer ka Jaise
koi Ishaara mila
Today our journey with this show ends having meandered and tripped but managing to keep together Arnav and Khushi with whom we all have travelled.
Yes and they lived happily ever after but more important is that they lived, on the screen, in our minds and will keep living in our memories.
It was like meeting a friend who journeyed with you. As with all journeys this too came to an end. But this was one of the better ones because it left your life enriched in its own way.
"A journey ends so we may rest before another begins.
For journeys are but bridges to a destination we need to reach.
But each journey adds to our experiences, it colours our life
And sometimes along such a journey you meet people who walk with you or walk away yet remain a part of you thence!"
Wow Sandy, you wrote so well, loved the way you wrote the feelings.All of us fans are feeling the same. Yes the journey was magical indeed - I will forever remember this serial not only for the magic it weaved but also for the masti that I shared with all my friends on IF and the hours I spent decoding this show over pages and pages of IF posts. Yes the journey has ended and Arnav and Khushi lived happily ever after but they have become a part of me and will always remain so.
DeleteSandy, beautiful!
Delete"A journey ends so we may rest before another begins.
For journeys are but bridges to a destination we need to reach.
But each journey adds to our experiences, it colours our life
And sometimes along such a journey you meet people who walk with you or walk away yet remain a part of you thence!"
I was re-watching some of the re-marriage scenes today ... IPK was really a magical experience, something very special and unforgettable. It came into my life at a very difficult time, and the show and especially this blog and the people I met here, helped me through one of the worst phases of my life. For that reason, for the magic of the show itself, and for the lovely people I have met here, it will always remain very, very special for me. The show has ended, but the friends here will always be close to my heart.
I bid farewell to the show, but not to you all! And for that, I'm happy!
Sarada / Dia,
DeleteThank you. It has been a good journey no doubt.
And D, I just realized I notched my 1 year on the blog today. A year back I posted as Anon and signed off as hopelessly addicted to Arhi never realizing how addictive it would all become :))
Beautiful words Sandy.........truly IPKKND was magical...going though the posts here and on IF, I just realised how much it enriched all our lives, and especially for those of us who were going through tough times in AD...I think the holy connect on the sets that Barun spoke of, actually existed way beyond and encompassed all our lives. It certainly made the tough times easier to bear and now, looking back (thanks to ismailvegamze on YT), the show remains as enchanting as ever.
DeleteSandy, both pieces very well written :) i think first serial we get attached to on an emotional level will always stay with us as a fond memory :) After LNMDJ ended, i think i enjoyed watching IPK to some extent b4 the story started going downhill and the characters got butchered, hope to find some good show to enjoy again :)
DeleteThanks Aki and Nandini :))
DeleteSuffice to say I guess I have good memories associated with the show which make the show special for me.
need a couple of questions answered -
ReplyDelete- i really like the bromance between he brothers in QH - really liked that Ayaan did not take more than a min to follow his bro to the hospital BUT can someone please tell why the serial is so regressive about the other siblings - why did Ayaan not say "Nikhat(or whatever the younger on is called) - let go"? why are the sisters never trying to talk? Finally today Ayaan paid some attention to his younger sister (who as per my calculations should be closet to him in age!!)
- i really did not mind the slap to the heroine (yes i know - its Sacrilege for a woman's lib person to be saying so) but the reason is - to me it seemed like a spontaneous reflex towards a girl who had led (in the eyes of the hero) his mother to her deathbed! - so i can still stomach that
BUT
what I cannot just CANNOT accept is this constant attempt at trying to showcase the father as the victim, the bechara who was phasaooed by the evil mama and mani -
the father was a two timing SSW!!!! he cheated on wife no. one - had a secret marriage for years - after he got caught, left wife two and went back to wife I with his kid - then left again
And for all those years he never looked back at his kids - young kids with needs - he never paid their bills or even encourage his other daughters to get in touch with daughter 1 - and he has the audacity to say Dilshad is his 'khoya hua pyaar'!!! where was the khp what she was paying the bills and he was producing babies - ok so they now show - he had bought land for her - so he could buy land but not take care of her finances all those years?
***rant over*** :D
Mona,
DeleteThis is the reason I am unable to warm up to Quobhool hai. They could have just concentrated on the emotions of the separated siblings rather than try to justify the wimp's act or show him shed crocodile tears. The heights would be for Dishad and Shireen to be so forgiving of the two-timing wimp and accept him and they all live as one big happy family. Wouldn't be surprised if this happens. already the doctor gave him credit for bringing Dilshad back to life.
I've lost interest in MB ever since I read about the revenge marriage. The romantic scenes between RK and Madhu didn't work for me. Aanyway I wasn't emotionally attached to the show. The only thing that stood out for me was RK's character progression. For the first time I thought they had a strong male character who had brains and used them too. The fact that he was witty helped but if they were to turn him back to being evil, they would have virtually killed him beyond redemption. How powerful are writers of show. With one sweep of hand they kill the characters they build for months. The last three months would be meaningless and sans logic. So much for my defence of the only sensible hero I saw in a daily hindi soap in a long long time.
I saw the Slapgate episode ... have to agree with Mona, the slap wasn't that bad that the forum erupted ... Asad was furious, angry, helpless and terrified about losing his mother, the anchor of his life and he didn't know the facts, that Zoya HAD sent Mariam away and Dilshad had brought her back. From what he knew and what he overheard, Zoya had lied. So blaming her was justified to some extent. And Zoya was an idiot to go after him when he was so disturbed and upset. (After watching that, I went back and watched Khushi comforting Arnav after Anjali's miscarriage in IPK ... hayyeee)
DeleteHaving said that, the slap could, and SHOULD, have been avoided though, by making him want to lash out at her and then hit the wall instead ... Especially in the wake of events in Delhi, I think all cv's have a social responsibility to avoid showing violence towards women in any way whatsoever, however justified they try to make it. ESPECIALLY when they try to justify it.
And I remembered Mona SO much during the Rashid scene as Razia tries to stop him going to Dilshad ... SSW to the core!!! He is such a pathetic character ... what can the cv's show as a deep dark secret, that can justify such a spineless character?!!!
Caught the episode of Khamoshiyan, just to see Utkarsha's entry ... ROFL, she got an entry worthy of a heroine!!! The way they focused on her features one by one before showing her face ... Utkarshiji, you're a star!!! Reminded me of the way they would focus on Shyam's entry in IPK, from boots upwards!
The rest of the episode was quite bad ... including the nautanki. Can see why this show is going off air! Though Gauri (the actress) has improved, she's not bad. I don't like Garv ... trying too hard to be anti-hero.
Dia,
DeleteAgree with you that no matter what the circumstances be, the creatives shouldn't show violence towards the lead and then try to justify it. Especially in the wake of the events happening around the country, this should be avoided. Domestic violence starts with just a slap, push and a shove but ultimately becomes much more. It is high time creatives understand what they are doing and what they are showing. Slapping in anger is not justified no matter how much you try to justify it. Not only 4Lions every PH should avoid showing violence towards women in their serials.
Opti - you and i seem to be thinking as one these days :D
DeleteOh i so agree - one hero who has working brain! and wit! i have seen the entire series thus far (from the time the heroine grew up that is) and what i liked was that the hero, though arrogant etc = was not mean just for the heck of it - it was always a tit for tat fight between the leads. As for the promo- thought about it - from a story pov - it makes no sense - all that has happened, the way he trusted her, helped her parents and sister without informing her, never took advantage etc etc - does not seem like a revenge to me - am pretty sure there is some mystery there - just hope its not too filmy
Mona,
Delete" why the serial is so regressive about the other siblings - why did Ayaan not say "Nikhat(or whatever the younger on is called) - let go"? why are the sisters never trying to talk? Finally today Ayaan paid some attention to his younger sister "
Nussat explained that. She and Najma are in the same college, yet never talk. Part of the reason is Najma cannot forgive- in one epi they showed Nikhat trying to move towards her...but Najma refused to acknowledge her.
Najma knows about Asad and Ayan- and since she loves her bhaijaan, she does not mind. She accepts Ayan because she has seen Asad'd closeness to him.
Nussat mentioned that Asad had saved them once from eve teasers...but there is a strict ban in the house on associating with teh other family. Raziya keeps harping that Dilshad and Asad will try to get back at Shireen and her children.
"what I cannot just CANNOT accept is this constant attempt at trying to showcase the father as the victim, the bechara who was phasaooed by the evil mama and mani - £
I don't find them justifying him. Actually, what happebned yesterday was: Rashid does not rush wjhen he hears about Dilshad- Shireen releases him from his cage and says- 'go'- RASHID AT HIS WEAKEST SPINELESS WORST. I think the point is, he is weak and tries to fight back- but never succeeds- he is just weak. But he has brought property etc...even that is not justification, I hope.
I think it is about weak dad getting saved by son- he has spent a lifetime as a slave- HIS PUNISHMENT FOR CHEATING on HIS WIFE.
About not taking care of kids: He had wanted to take Adsad along- he refused to leave his Ammi.
Khoya hua pyar: He never fell out of love with her. He fell in love with Shireen- maybe it was attraction first to her looks and now it looks like PITY- Dilshad was always his first love. He was unfaithful, but that was his weakness- he still loved her. All unfaithful husbands don't get punished. In my opinion, his life is his punishment and bigger than that, the fact that he can nver redeem himself in the eyes of his khoya huaa pyar.
I think in the end, Zoya might find a solution to this triangle.
Opti, Dia,
DeleteI feel this is precisely what will happen. There si no other solution to this triangle.
Like I mentioned to Mona, he has already / is serving his sentence....
PLUS his children- Asad and Ayan do not respect him. I liked the way they highlighted it yesterday. Ayan gives him a CONTEMPTUOUS LOOK.
Rashid is weak and he needs his children to get out of the mess he has made of his life. Alternatively, he might die in the end. But sinvce 4 Lions like making happy shows...unlikely, and personally, I feel, unwarranted.
opti, Dia,
DeleteSorry. I forgot to paste this ref above.
'The heights would be for Dishad and Shireen to be so forgiving of the two-timing wimp and accept him and they all live as one big happy family. Wouldn't be surprised if this happens. already the doctor gave him credit for bringing Dilshad back to life.'
I wanted to point out one more thing here.
The doctor gave him credit.
But watch the scene carefully.
Zoya prays the lady tells her- "Tumhari duaa zaroor qubool hogi"
The next shot is the doctor telling Asad: "Mr. Khan aapki dua qubool ho gayi"
So, in fact it was Zoya's dua that saved Dilshad's life. Because Zoya and asad are a cxouple(in spite of the slap. LOL.)
Plus solution to the triangle:
Alreeady mentioned Rashid might die.
Another angle is Shireen might die....a lot more potential for drama there!
Dia - *blush* i am that predictable? :D
DeleteSu, no i am sorry - though i do in general get your point - i don't get it today - yes SSW is 'living his punishment' but believe you me, such punishments where you spend 17 years not bothering about your son, daughter and wife(on the pretext of mama and mami) - where you enjoy wealth and luxury and where you enjoy a partner for all your youth - does not seem all too bad to me -
AND BTW he divorced his first wife - so he cant get back with her - so he has no plans of "getting back with her as a husband, nor did he try to take the responsibilities of a dad, HE just wanted to feel "less guilty'!!! (his words when he wants dilshad to forgive him!!!
yes he missed out on being with the love of his life, the wise sensible woman he loved - but he chose to do so - he chose to cheat on her - no not after the second time - but the very first time when he secretly married her (and keeping a marriage secret calls for a shatir demagh and a lot of play on your partners' (both of them) trust and love - so no i cant think him merely weak - he is a scumbag! And by telling people of the "grand secret" the PH is trying to justify his leaving Dilsad the second time, my point is - what about the first???
another thing - Dilshad seems to have forgiven the 17 years in a jiffy - no no - that does not happen - not when you have to fend for two children - not when you have to answer their questions, when you see your sweet 12 year old turn tyrannical and hard!! (if asad was not a sweet boy - he would not have looked after a baby)
Asad is shown to be 29 - so 17 years ago he was a 12 year old - old enough to know his dad - old enough to feel the pain - so yes he is contemptuous of his dad - he should be!
And if you are looking for a solution to this situation - the only one i would have liked was that SSW be belittled by all his kids and the kids join hands for good! - i am also ok with asad forgiving him and patching up with dad - BUT I cannot stand teh idea of Dilshad being so ok and caring towards him - so responsive to his being near that she recovers!!! - had she kept her dignity and distance with SSW and still let teh kids meet - she would have been the complete woman in my eyes
Mona,
DeleteHi! Left a nice note for MB up there. :D Hope you like it.
I might be back to haunt you about Rashid...MIGHT! *hugs*
Su - just saw today's epi - and now this zoya chick really irritated me - She supposedly loves her phupi and her daughter - she knows the trauma the family went through -- she knows the pain this phupi and family suffered - she also knows that the husband left the phupi for money (and she has no other version so far) AND she knows what it is like to grow up without a dad
DeleteYET -
the dimwit did not have a trace or anger, not a flicker of hatred for her 'friend'?? she did not even ask him - how dare you stand here now when you ditched her years ago!!! had they not concentrated on her pain in the second half of the epi - i would have been ranting about her!!
aaaaww... Mona, "zoya chick really irritated me": *hugggs* She irritates a lot of people. *wink*
DeleteZoya speaks Gul's mind.
And Gul feels the guy has served out his punishment already, probably.
Remember when Zoya met Rashid first, he was distraught. He was not moony in love for Dilshad.
He had already confessed about his khoya hua pyar and I think, he indicated it was his fault. (I was not hooked on then.) Zoya was trying to tell him back then that mistakes can be corrected...when she did not know the whole story.
She has seen her phoophi's pain, she has also seen Dost's pain...and she knows that the thing which happened between them- Rashid really regrets it. And she has heard from Najma how Rashid had left his children and wife for another woman, but Zoya DOES NOT JUDGE PEOPLE...(except for Asad, and that is because he deserves it.).
She leaves that to Allah. She believes in providence. It was not by chance that she met the man in Phoophi's life.
"“The first and greatest punishment of the sinner is the conscience of sin “
And Rashid has been serving that punishment for 17 years, along with the greatest punishment for him- he has pined for Dilshad all those years, knowing fully well he had terribly WRONGED her.
Mona,
All of Gul's heroines forgive- because 'To love is to forgive'.
Shireen punished Rashid once. She left him when she knew about Dilshad. The same Shireen embraced him and consoled him when she knew he was heart broken for Dilshad...not necessarily fictional. I have come across such women in real life.
"The bigger the love, the more pain afterwards, but the more character it takes to forgive"
Dilshad has forgiven him too. I admire both the women.
The difference is : Shireen knows her and her husband's pain.
Dilshad knows her pain, Rashid's pain and Shireen's pain.
When Shireen opens her eyes to Dilshad's pain...I am waiting for that moment. (Right now I half expect Raziya to turn Shireen against Dilshad...she wants Shireen to keep Rashid away from Dilshad)
"Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs."
I repeat, THIS IS A RECURRENT theme in Gul’s love stories.
The ability to forgive- for me, that is the greatest attribute of love. Unless you are able to connect with that thought, you cannot connect with ANY of Gul’s heroines.
Su,
DeleteThe thing is when a storyteller takes a position in which he seems to state that "forgiveness" is the recurrent theme in respect of a character/story, the teller should also be ready to accept that people may also react to it based on their individual compass and that is a risk a story teller will have to assume. Then its a case of the narrator's ability to convince the viewer of his/her viewpoint..
For instance, if infidelity in a relationship is an important issue with a person..there is bound to be an adverse reaction when that matter is treated say, lightly as a subject..and thats the risk Gul will have to take if she is proposing to get some sympathy votes for Rashid as a character. One person can say he has suffered and its equally possible for another to retort that its just desserts...
Personally, i don't credit Gul (of for that any TV serial maker) to have any serious aspirations of changing the mindset of society on issues of social ramification...and i don't expect their commitment on the matter...its something for the long haul and well i don't know if people have the forbearance for it....
sorry to digress...I presume BV started with the premise of showing child marriages were harmful and altho i was not happy with the way i thot they were romanticising the kids relationship in the beginning ....i am rather glad they decided to show the child pair with different partners over a length of time...To me, this is the single most important social message of BV..they were trying to say that when u marry at a young age, apart from it being a social evil, u are not in a position to really choose who can be ur life partner and that as u grow and acquire experiences, u do look at life thru diff hues..
since i have not watched the serial..i don't know if my comments are misplaced... I guess BV is appreciated for its detailing and other aspects but to me BV stands out for sticking to their original premise. I can't comment on how their journey has been in delivering this message or if it has actually been perceived as such becos i have not watched it..People do remember the gloss and forget the actual message...(i don't know if thats intentional too!!)
Su, the reason i brought out BV's point altho there is no connection with QH, was to state the importance of taking a position and sticking to it and working out ways to get the narrative to establish the point in such a way that it almost gets sanction by a population, that would have been more than happy to see an Anandi wed Jagiya and live happily ever after....
So, what i am saying is if Rashid has to be perceived as a person who has suffered, it may not enuf to state the platitudes to win the audience's vote (if thats the intention). Personally for me Rashid is persona non grata in the story..his only role in the story is have sired Asad and Ayaan (thru diff women) and probably have some unfortunate connection to Z's past...i don't even think any happy reunion is required in this matter. (Gul will be better off keeping him and his resurrection at bay)
sorry for a long post!!
Rekh,
DeleteI am writing the reply to this down below.
*evil grin* YOu wrote a long post! I am going to write a longer post!!!LOL.
Team Sarun's visit with Utkarsha Naik
ReplyDeleteTeam Sarun's visit with Utkarsha Naik
Short interview ... Utkarshiji very touched that fans remember her still, remembers the IPK days very fondly and seems to be really hoping for another show with the same cast. Nice of Team Sarun to visit all the supporting cast - that was one big factor in IPK's success, that the entire supporting cast was so good. They were really well written, very well acted, and by the end, very much underutilized.
Khamoshiyaan to go off air on Feb 23rd and surprise of surprise it seems SLB's show SC will take the 7:30PM slot. Is it because both Zee TV and Colors have their 7:30PM shows on TRP top 5 charts, that SP is placing SLB's show at 7:30PM instead of changing the timeslot for Kaali.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.tellychakkar.com/news/khamoshiyaan-go-air-23-february-2013
And seems like SLB's show is delayed for one more week. Makes me wonder how in the world will this guy manage the cut-shoot deadlines for the TV world. It is good that now he is building bank of episodes but if there ought to be changes then it will involve reshooting. Is SLB up for the challenge ?
sarada, do you really think SLB will change the script according to spot reviews? I dont. how muchever Star wants to play by the result of exit polls, he is not gonna budge from the original script.. that is one of the good things about having made a name of your own.
Deleteand so, i am pretty sure that they will have a 2 week bank at any given moment. not like a bunch of youngsters (4L) going for the first time on starplus, who can be pushed and shoved according to the facebook reviews (and i mean that in a very looking-down-my-nose way.)
Jaya,
DeleteI hope SLB can hold his own against SP but now SP is slotting this at 7:30PM and by 7:30 slot it is not entirely a housewives slot - some may be still busy with the cooking and looking after kids. So we need to see how the TRPs are going to come out. Another thing is that by Mar 2013 TRPs would be for the whole county with digitilization and they should be able to reflect the correct TRPs. The original script is very rona-dhona one hence I have a hunch that SLB will be eventually forced to tweak the script due to either TRPs or SP saying family audience is not liking it. Let's see when this one opens up what SP will eventually do. SP needs to learn how not to butt in the PH's way of working and allow them to tell their story in their own way.
i cannot believe SLB will stay true to the story or script. he may have high ego but he also will not hesitate to butcher characters in the name of cinematic liberty.. like introducing paro-chandramukhi meeting scene, that dola re sequence etc. i do not like this kind of changing classics. if he has to run that story for at least 1 year i wonder how much he will change the story, characters.. i wonder!
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Sarada,
Delete"Is it because both Zee TV and Colors have their 7:30PM shows on TRP top 5 charts, that SP is placing SLB's show at 7:30PM instead of changing the timeslot for Kaali. "
You meant 8 PM slots of colors being in top 5 , right?
I was wondering why 7:30 pm....then it dawned BV is rock solid at 8 PM... so, SP is playing it safe at 7:30 pM. How the mighty have fallen! And how we IPK fans are laughing!!! Gee... I am so unforgiving!
Su,
DeleteExactly my thoughts. Sapne on Zee is top TRP serial for Zee TV and Sasural Simar ka is also a top TRP serial. Somehow I don't think SP wants to pit SLB's show against Ballika vadhu. I think it is doing the next best thing it can aim for and that is to aim for 7:30PM and try to get TRPs. But the thing is that by 7:30PM most of the housewives will still be doing work and may not tune in. So let's see what SP will do now if SLB's show doesn't get its the TRPs it wants. And I agree with you IPK was the one serial which took BV down at least for some time when it was on high. If only SP knew what IPK was to its programming lineup - things would have been different.
Was I the only one who saw that new promo of SC while flipping channels. They showed the hero racing a car on teh streets of ametro only to stop and lose the race on seeing a pregnant woman on the street. And his friend calls him Saras :S
DeleteSo period drama with a tadka of rebirth? Or classic set in modern times? Cinematic liberties hongi hi - they say mukammal mohabbat ki adhoori daastaan jo ab hogi poori.
Actually the guy Saras is a do-gooder who believes he shouldn't get married and do social work for the betterment of the people. Somehow I think SLB is sticking to the original movie/novel.I don't think there is any rebirth story here.
DeleteSandy, I wanted to reply by my name and somehow I wrote your name in the Name/URL
Delete-Sarada
Sarada,
DeleteThat was just me thinking aloud seeing the intial promo of hero in a pond / lake and then this one.
I am curious about the show because SLB does do a lot of detailing and has good production value.
@Dia/Jaya,
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing Abhaas/Utkarsha ji's intv..it was good to hear about their experience in the show and the bonding the cast had.
BTW, did anyone watch PV,
it turns out the kidnapper was Arti's bauji that is her first husband Prashant's dad, so it was not a lady and not buaji.
Yash stopped his third wedding half way, so guess it will lead to more drama and Akshay/Akash has a change of heart and he is bringing back Ansh, so should see how that aspect of the story will move.
@Veera,
i found it very cruel to lock the small kid like that and i HATE cocroaches, so i could not see that part of the epi and had switched channels :P. Guess Ratan will end up hiring Nihal to help her in the farm bcus this other guy will be proved chor courtesy dat bad guy na, guess today it will be mostly all of them searching for Veera
@Veera ... it has been slow the last two days, so I have not commented. I'm not really liking this evil child track, hope they put a stop to this one soon. I also didn't like the teacher first locking a small child into a dark room for anything longer than five minutes at max ... she did it for the whole day, which was completely unjustified, and then forgot her and went off ... height of irresponsibility! I guess that and the Bakhtawar trick with the money will lead to Ratan hiring Nihal, she has lost her money, and probably can't pay for another hand, and that other guy will be branded a thief.
DeleteSo Arti's ... or rather Prashant's Bauji was behind the kidnapping? He always wanted Arti to return to Prashant ... so third wedding cancel? ROFL Haven't watched it for a few days :))
One serial that is staying true to its premise...Punar vivah...they are promising weddings after weddings so..its built into the title so no one can complain..so.it is in the fitness of things that the hero has a third marriage...ROFL!
DeleteVeera, watched y'day's epi after a gap...evil personification is diffi to go thru esp when the guilty will stay unpunished (in the case of the teacher) or not counselled in case of the boy (baldev)
However, the one thing that unfailingly happens whenever i watch Veera is when i hear the title song..it gives me goosebumps....esp the words and the refrain of Veer ki ardaas
Main toh hoon ek hissa tera
Mujh mein bhi hai kissa tera
Ab tu jo bhi kare mera
Sab tere hawale chhod diya
Anand Raj Anand has sung this song very soulfully...and i find the placement of that song so apt....when they show a heartwarming scene between the siblings
Main toh hoon ek hissa tera
DeleteMujh mein bhi hai kissa tera
Ab tu jo bhi kare mera
Sab tere hawale chhod diya
Rekh,
Absolutely! Such an apt song. I love that too about the show.
I am very happy a non- love story is doing so well and SP is not tampering with it.
Su,
DeleteGood to see u. Was just wondering on your absence..so sau saal jeeyegi :)
Oh and I saw bits of Veera today - I totally adored teh scene where afraid of the rats, Veera writes Veerji on the floor like that will be a lakshman rekha keeping them away from her.
DeleteLike R&R says, nazar utaarofying this Veer and his Veera!
And they also seem to emphasze on the destined to be bit with how Ranveer sees a gurudwara, prays quickly and there Veera drops the bottle of acid.
Veer ki ardaas.
Rekha,
that verse above is so moving.
Sandy and all - i watched the show over the weekend and totally fell in love with the kids- they are adorable!! I am in general very against kids acting as adults (and am so with psarada on this - cant stand kids dance shows!!) but these kids were simply adorable!! so now i need answers:
Delete- what is 'veer ki ardaas" - as in the meaning of ardaas?
- how is chaiji related to the family and where is her own?
- this friend of sampooran - does he have a crush on his bhabi (the kids mom) or is he just super concerned about her in general?
oh - and what is the relationship between the good set of kids and the bad ones?
DeleteMona, replying to your questions - *Disclaimer* I may be wrong since I skipped some episodes in between.
Delete'ardaas' - means prayer, wish and Veer means brother in punjabi so basically 'veer ki ardaas' means prayer of a brother.
I have no idea how chaiji is related to the family but it is always shown that she is close to Sampooran and dotes on Ranvi. She loves Veera too because she sees Veera as sister to her chota chand(Ranvi). Regarding Kartar I think he is just concerned about Ratan in general and he has now moved on in life with his wife Gurpreet. No idea if there will be anything in future but at present there seems to be nothing between the two.
Baldev and Gunjan are brother and sister but somehow Baldev's mom is very partial to baldev maybe because he is a boy and just doesn't like Gunjan at all.
Sandy,
Delete*hugs*
That was a beautiful tribute t IOPK up there.
Can we hope to see more of you around?
*hugs*
Monu,
DeleteSarada has already answered the bit about "ardaas"..i will just add a bit to it...
In a sense, its also a specific Sikh prayer which we do when we are undertaking any activity..Its like a petition to Almighty..supported by the submitting/surrendering of one's will before the all powerful...
In that sense, an ardaas typically is a prayer but in this specific sense it is also to do with how Ranvi had wished for a baby sister and in fact, the first few episodes showed how keen he was to have a sister to care for that he ended up bringing home a baby from a hospital (if i am not mistaken) before the actual parents come by to get her....If i am connect to the word "veer ki ardaas"...its a "guhaar" made by a brother asking for a sister to protect and care for and Veera is a result of that plea to the Lord..
Hayyee,
Deletehow nicely you all have elaborated on the ardaas. And Veera too is so sure ki her Veerji will protect her and save her come what may.
Btw my neighbour used to call her paternal grandmom chaiji.
Su,
Huggs!! I will be around more or less pata nahi.
chaiji is sister of sampooran (ratan's estranged husband). she raised him.
Deletekartar and sampooran are best friends. kartar's then would-be bride amrita ran away from shaadi ka mandap. that humiliation caused kartar's mom's death.
later, it is revealed that amrita after she ran away from marriage (due to her life threatening illness) had a chance encounter with sampooran who came to the same wedding. in a baffling fashion (at least to me) he sleeps with her out of pity.
that girl who is supposed to die soon actually lived to give birth to veera. she came to sampooran (who by then forgot or told nobody about his one night stand with amrita) and gave him veera.
kartar, now married to gurprit still hurt and even angry that amrita caused his mom's death and sampooran slept with her. he is angry with veera too cause she is a reminder of both sampooran and amrita.
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one barun-sanaya interview.. it has some inane questions, but gives a feel of what barun and sanaya are really like..
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jTiXGn3Kog
sorry.. did not know this had a part 1 too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=felU_mHQ7wU
Deletethe story of a blue mug and a yellow mug
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPInTpvxu4M
hummm interesting....
ReplyDeleteseems like the fire that killed zoya's mom and injured her was the same fire SSW was responsible for
so could Zoya's dad also have been a victim - as in - was he framed for it and has been in jail all this while - hence could not find his daughter??
i have a crazier thought. may be zoya's father is mamu (razia's husband) and he n razia did some bad things to zoya's mom.
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Mona,
DeleteZoya mentions that her abbu left her and her ammi...she wants to find her father...
The fire happend 17 yeras back.
Raziya once said to Rashid's Ammi that since 20 years, she has achieved all her goals.
So, 3 years prior to the fire- could that be when her father left her? Zoya's history will remain a mystery for some time...right now it is Rashid's story that si going to come out.
And BTW, the pace at which they are going...I think Gul plans to wind it up in 12 or 18 months. I don't think KSG will stick around for more than that..Surbhi also may not be able to commit for a long time.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/tv/Sanaya-Irani-Karan-V-Grover-to-host-Ishq-Wala-Love/articleshow/18370466.cms
ReplyDeleteOh great news ... we get to see our sunshine girl again on screen! Yippee!!!
DeleteBut Zee TV? Is she leaving Star? Zee seems to be on a spree to snap up all the IPK actors!!! Or is this a one off?
Interesting ... will have to wait and watch :))) Don't mind either which way ... I just don't want San to be shunted to Life OK. Any of the main GEC's are good.
In the meantime, we get to see Sanaya again ... :)))
Have seen the guy on offscreen segments, he used to act in something with Suhasi Dhami, he's quite a mast guy! Should be fun to watch.
Will be offline most of today ... catch you all tomorrow!
karan is a good actor and chilled out guy, have seen some of his and suhasi's segments, FUN!!!
DeleteThis is good news :) i have seen Grover, hes a cool/fun guy n quite a bit crazy too like Sanaya, guessing both would have enjoyed shooting the sequence :D
DeleteHey everyone*hugs*
ReplyDeleteExcited about seeing San, but she is appearing on Zee and STAR is okay with it, looks like STAR really hates colors.
Speaking of which Just checked TB and it said RK was faking his love all along, haiiiiiiiiiiin, so he hired Ballu and do the sholay reenactment just so he could prove to Madhu his love .........which is actually a revenge.
Or is it cos apparently because of some farewell letter he sees he will realize he cannot let Madhu be separated from her family*rolls eyes*
Andddddddddd what is this sab kuch chod kar jaana hai business, array it is your hard earned money and fame. You want to quit, quit movies, sit at home, put your hard money in bank and uskay interest par baaki zindagi jiyo, the way the inflation is he will be living a simple life in no time, hmphhh!!
If this is what was needed to bring the meanie RK back, well I might just go back to watching the show let us see....
Now in PV, I was rightttttttt - it was not buaji or the dad......but arti's dad/fil......So I might have got pradeep (I hope wohi naam hai, I forgot) wrong, but 2 out of 3 is not bad.
Waisay the rumor is akash bitwa will get married to the millionaire dulhan........WOWWWWWWWWW!!! Akash bitwa season 2 Rocks!!
So much footage and dialogues, spooky BG music and now a rich wife too, wah wah!!!!!
Anddddddddddd 1 DIN may divorce ho gaya really????????? he signed divorce papers and next day teesri shaadi bhi, Jai ho!!!
So I wonder, which girl of today will agree to such a marriage. Does it mean she was forced by her dad to agree.
If this was K serial, then this is what will happen....That girl is already in love with Akash. Now Akash bitwa ka parentage ka problem hai and the fact I am guessing is that he is not rich. So HER daddy refuses the rishta when he comes to know about his daughter is in love with a middle class guy with no father's name or any income tax raid to his credit. Agrees to bua's rishta in a hurry. Now this akash bitwa and the gal are smart, maukay ka faayda uthaya, when they realize yash is the guy, he becomes the driver and somehow becomes part of the kidnapping plan.
*SN- This supposed k serial twist is coming from ME, so do not even think about logic or logistics, OKAY?*
Now akash bitwa stops the girl from committing suicide, philmy drama and somehow ends up marrying her........And the suspense of Akash bitwa's parents ka history starts!!
In all this more characters enter and now I am seriously worried Akash bitwa ka footage and dialogues ka kya hoga:(
*sob**sigh*
Ya ya I can go everyone saying, Shwets tu mental hai bey, go ahead say it!!!:)
Shwethu is back in action ... yayyyyy!!!!
DeleteAnd aate hi mere dimaag ka dahi bana diya ... I haven't even managed to read through that convoluted plot you just conjured up! Much less look for any logic ... oyeee, logicwa boatwa nahin maangta on any daily serialwa, remember?!
Will be back later tonight or tomorrow, girls ... hectic day ... take care, all!
Shwets tu mental hai bey!
Deleteakahs bitwa gets a back story?? will yash and aaru stand leaning on a wall? i was about to headwall whern i saw yash all prepped up for a remarriage the day after his divorce.. but then thaought what stupid drama am i watching.. and changed the channel.
very sorry that i cannot seem to let go of QH. the guy asad started out as a gentleman.. now is proving to be an MCP to top every other! like mona said, zoya who is a rather level headed yet airheaded NRI, seems to cower and act like a village girl abla naari in front of asad's anger.. what is stopping her from blurting out the truth in his face? if she said it and he refused to believe it, i would have a little more faith in zo's characterization!
ROFL, Shwetha.
DeleteI loved your plot for Akash Bitwa..."In all this more characters enter and now I am seriously worried Akash bitwa ka footage and dialogues ka kya hoga:":
You are NOT MENTAL, you are hopeless!
J,
Delete"if she said it and he refused to believe it, "
She actually told him. She said she had sent Mariam out...and he replied that she si a liar.
Seriously, after that, any girl will respect will say- 'go hang!' Zoya did not say that because right now she knew he was hurting for Ammi...The whole thing about the slap and all is 'NOT ABOUT HER', for Zoya.
She does not relive the slap over and over again...she understands his anger. She was responsible in bringing Mariam there in the first place- and hiding her against Jahanpanah's EXPRESS wishes...and her act culminated in this. I think she does feel a bit guilty- that is why she went to sat 'sorry'.
The guilt plus the seriousness of Phoophi's condition-
Zoya does not react the way she normally does. She knows her dignity and innocence is not the priority RIGHT NOW. That does not mean she'll forgive him just like that.
any girl will respect will say
Deleteread as
any girl with self respect will say.
^you dont need to clarify phrases like that.. in fact, i read it properly the first time.. and then when i saw the clarif.. i was like, "was there a mistake?"
Deleteand then, about "eriously, after that, any girl will respect will say- 'go hang!' " nishi' s reply to my q
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3425532&PID=75636837
yes, now i get that she feels guilty for messing up the maryam matter.. and for harming D.. but it was not evident at all in the episode. (i guess they are going for "so subtle that it is not there")
U girls are on a roll...don't know on which to comment becos i have just been *rofling*
Deletefor me today's piece de resistance came from J
"akash bitwa gets a back story?? will yash and aaru stand leaning on a wall?"ROFL
Shweth..u mental bhi aur hopeless bhi hain...HUGS!! When i have ur comments, i can enjoy this serial without watching a single frame.....
J,
DeleteI thought that line didn't make sense when I read that again...*sheepish grin*
I didn't really get that point with Nishi's reply.
That must be what Zoya really felt. Because she does look subdued.
When I said, the go hang thing, I was speaking FOR MYSELF.( I mean, isn't everyone irritated with Mr. Khan? )Not what Zoya was feeling.
'Zoya caves in and ASad explodes ...happens all the time to all of us ...u either tend to get aggressive or subdued ...'
I feel she said the same thing, guilt + worry caused Zoya to cave in. Asad exploded in anger...Zoya was already subdued, she didn't respond th eway she normally does...especially since the person who was shouting at her and making baseless allegations was Mr. Khan.
Is that what he thought of her after all they had been through?
About the subtle thing: Didn't you wonder why she said sorry before getting slapped? That 'sorry' is the clue to her guilt. Wouldn't you feel responsible if you wre in her place?
nautanki,
Deleteseriusly shweth, itna OD of akash bitwa milega na toh tu perennial high pe hi hogi. As far as R&R goes I guess dogra's claim to fame henceforth will be about how happy Shwetha will be to see him on screen :))
LMAO sandy!!!
DeleteHaila, tum log akash bitwa kay footage par kitna nazar lagatay ho yaar, what I said can be told orally in 5 minutes by anyone, kaahay ka pillar leaning weaning........waisay bhi let that couple take care of romance, I am not expecting akash bitwa to be the next big romantic jodi with anyone, kuch toh drama karnay do yaar tum log, hmphhhhhhh.......Waisay bhi ab biwi, maa, saas, sasur kay saath kitna bolega woh:(
ReplyDeleteSu, Rekhs He he hopeless NAHIN, I AM always HopeMore when it comes to Akash Bitwa and waisay bhi nothign of that sort happens, grrrrr he he!!!
"A journey ends so we may rest before another begins.
ReplyDeleteFor journeys are but bridges to a destination we need to reach.
But each journey adds to our experiences, it colours our life
And sometimes along such a journey you meet people who walk with you or walk away yet remain a part of you thence!"
Sandyyyyyyyyyyy awwwwwwwwwwww
waisay should I change my name to HAA2?
Hopelessly addicted to Akash (bitwa)?
Tells Tells:)
Shwetu maatey,
DeleteHAA2 make me think of Race 2, Raaz 2 and such :P
HAAB makes more sense nai? Or to get inspired by Apple HAAb
whaddaya think?
I love HAA, BAS!
DeleteHaan Haa nautanki,
DeleteHAA and ab AHA ;)
Btw nautanki reminds me - saw a clip for this new Ayushman movie Nautanki Saala while scouting for a song on YT. Howlarious!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kzcO_MgpBE
So to justify my being hopelessly mental and after reading the quote from Sandy about new beginnings, had this 2+2 equals 222 thought:
ReplyDeleteBS's last interviews:
I am open to TV if working hours are saner....Hint that he is open to working in TV to the channels, t&c attached....
Who knows I might be back with an awesome TV show soon......(negotiations, reading of scripts etc. are happening currently)
According to a TB news video, He has an offer from Zee ki bhai you come and work with us, shoot only for 15 days and rest is free time for you to pursue your movie career.
Now San is hosting something on Zee with Karan Grover who was paired with Suhasi and they had a hit pairing by Zee standards...
Now a show goes on air with Sanaya and Karan (for example) and BS finishes his second movie and has free time might join the show much later.
He manages to do both.
The show revolves mainly around San's character,so finally she gets to do a fantastic character who knows starting as a college gal to a businesswoman sort.........I sooooooooo want to see her in something like that.
Zee gets its international jodi.
Sanaya gets a show which revolves around her.
Barun tapkofies and manages both.
assuming ofcourse that they find a good PH like that of MB which have bank episodes of 10-15 days, there are no last hour changes in scripts like 4 lions and PH & Channel has deep pockets to shoot in advance, hire a bigger set so that the actors don't waste their time while 1 single room gets converted into so many different rooms?
Is this feasible?
I am missing Sarun too much aren't I?*sigh*
Shewths,
DeleteYou are really something - you know that right. I don't think Sanaya is going to come to Zee TV but at the way Zee TV is swapping up all the good actors on the Tellyworld you never know. Star is usually very strict with the actors that it has under contract on appearing on rival channels. SP removed Gia because she dared to sign a contract with Colors. So no idea if Sanaya is doing only the special or she has indeed changed camps.
Regarding BS, I think he will eventually come to TV. He is not looking for lead roles but strong supporting roles. That should leave time for him to do serials if the PH can plan well in advance.But on the same note I do wish BS becomes hit in Bollywood - I am okay with him going the Irfan Khan or Shreyas Talpade way and doing meaningful movies.
But one thing is for sure. Both BS and SI really took the roles of Arnav and Khushi to extra-ordinary heights. And sure hope they will come on TV either with each other or different co-stars.
Shwe,
Delete2+2 = 222 ROFL
Speaking of deep pockets, saw another SC promo today and there was this GRAND BALLROOM which at one glance yells billionare mansion and a shot of the hero going sky diving :S
Chal tere missing mood ke liye hoping YRF comes back with a good show maybe weeklies this year with them. Theek?
cool, Looks like I am the only one who has seen neither the SC promo or the slapgate episode, lol.
DeleteJust want to see them back together, offscreen interview hi sahi till they come back in a show.
Saru, kya bey Farak padta hai par atak gayi tum..You are something.....what good or bad, Completiya karo na:)
Deletestar and colors ka bitter rivalry hai, but the one time bitter rivals star and zee seem to have joined together to oust colors....let us see what happens....
Read in the main forum that the San is currently free, no contract with Star at the moment, in the welcome show wala discussion post...so let us see
Shwethu,
DeleteTu nahin sudhregi! ROFL
Andar ki khabar yeh hai ki Sanaya is still very much with Star ... if you see NB5, Suhasi from Zee is there, So is Ravi Dubey, who was last on Sony ... so I guess SP ki dushmani is either specifically with Colors, or they have no issues with their actors doing other shows while they are jobless on SP itself. Don't understand why they were so hard on Giaa Manek in that case ... maybe they were both happy to part. Or Gia was looking for an excuse to be thrown out, because she was tired of doing Gopi ... now that I can believe! Must be tiring crying non-stop and playing an imbecile for three years plus!
Dunno about Barun ... my gut feel is that he will give at least one full year only to BW, especially with a second movie ready to start - doesn't make sense for him to walk out of a very successful show otherwise ... and he has to keep himself free when his movies release, because that's when he will get offers, when people see the finished product, he can't be caught up in a TV show at that time. But he also has enough sense to start rebuilding bridges with TV which got a bit rocky when he left ... But honestly have no clue or any 'inside' info ... this is just my logical mind speaking, and seeing what others like Sushant and Ayushman are doing.
Sanaya wants SP, I think she doesn't want Life OK, so she's willing to wait ... unlike the rest of the IPK cast, she can't be slotted into any old or ongoing show, she has to wait for a lead role, which means a new show, which means a few months at least. I still feel that by March we might get some news, but a show will start only after IPL. Plus SP has a whole line up of shows waiting in the wings ... if SP seems to be taking to long, San will say hello hi bye bye to SP once her contract ends, and move channels ... Zee has obviously started wooing her already :)))
Btw, Zee is not only snapping up IPK stars, Anirudh Dave, the guy in Housewife, was in Ruk Jaana on SP ... they seem to be snapping at SP's heels now in the TRP race.
I also heard that no channel can scrap a show in less than 3 months - they have to give it at least that long. That might explain why Khamoshiyan is making the exit first ... also I heard Kaali was supposed to be a six month show from the start, so they might just let it stay on air the six months but maybe move time slots when the next show is ready. It sure isn't doing any major TRP wonders at 8 pm!
I still haven't seen any SC promos ... is SC replacing Khamoshiyan? 7.30pm? Strange!
Shwetha / Dia,
DeleteYes teh latest SC promo says 25th Feb - 7:30 p.m. saw it last night during Veera break.
Colors is part of Viacom18 so not sure if there is a global dushmani there b/w Star and Colors in that angle - News, Music, Movies, Entertainment, etc. Also I guess EK and SP parted ways and now EK and Colors are on good terms so all the more ghee?! And for all you know on teh Executive level ex-Star ka banda must have debunked to head Colors India kya pata.
Zee is I guess on a dushman ka dushman dost mode for they were almost slipping out of sight despite having been the first satellite channel in India. SP though had promise has been floundering for a while. So perhaps it is the old horses vs the young upstart channel?
Star is not parting ways with SI until SPA this year, lagi sharth? They need the eyeballs and the TRP for that show. I am guessing they may even request SLB to pull in a few BW strings for the show this year or plan a huge musical who knows?
SC promos should be available on the starplus youtube channel.
Yeh lo ... found links for the SC promos ...
Deletepromo 1
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSplmF-CqEI>promo 2</a>
The guy looks good ... very good, I have to admit, but the promos honestly made me laugh ... soooo cheesy! Looks like typical SLB ... lots of pomp and show, great sets ... will there be some substance? After watching, am feeling glad Sanaya didn't take this up ... but have a feeling it will do well for some time. I definitely will give it a try ... if they stick to those production values with the skydiving, fancy cars, great sets etc ... it will be worth a watch, slick and racy to start with ... aage dekho kya karenge. Will be like PKDH, but the actors are more seasoned.
Isn't Saras's dad the dad from Punar Vivah? Shwethu, please check!
Sandy, me too betting on the same ... SP not parting ways with SI till SPA ... uske baad, either she will move to new channel and new show, or we will get some news of new show on SP ... she is ready and raring to re-start work, should not be longer than that ... *fingers crossed* ... please Godjee, shiddat power full force!!!
Zee was floundering in 3rd-4th spot till a few months back ... it has slowly clawed back into 2nd spot, and left Colors behind. Colors only has BV and now MB keeping it afloat ... I don't think NBT2 has taken off well, and I'm not surprised ... I don't like the new Nanhi, and I cannot STAND Rimjhim ... Mohan is a HOPELESS dad!!! Rimjhim needs a good solid spanking where it hurts.
Aylo!! SP is banking on SLB and Saraswatichandra to sambhalo their doobti naiyya ... vaise, this week's TRP's show that the naiyya is not so doobti for the moment ... Khamoshiyan going off air, will SC bring in some numbers? And when will Kaali follow suit? And then EHM?
DeleteAnyway, timepass ke liye ... choti choti screens par bade bade log aa rahe hain ...
Ash and Rani to launch Saraswatichandra
Shewthu, was out on vacation so couldn't reply back to your post. How dare I say something bad about you yaar. Okay for your sake - let me complete the whole sentence.
DeleteYou really are something - amazing and especially your bak bak is too good.
Was following the convo of Sandy and Dia - Agree with Dia. Maybe Sanaya will be with SP till SPA and then change camps. And Zee is swapping all the known actors from SP - looks like it is really looking for established stars from programs on SP to jumpstart the TRP race. Makes sense. You already have a fan base for the actors ready and you hope they tune in to another channel and Zee is banking on it. That was the only reason I thought the Ruk Jaana Nahin lead got a role on Zee - IMO he actually looks little older to Suhasi but still the jodi is clicking and the TRPs are decent. So no idea if Zee would love to court Sanaya - If they are wise they may swap her but on the same hand Zee has all saas-bahu concepts and I hope they offer Sanaya something different.
Regarding SLB - from the promos it looks like the same original concept of the movie. So it will be rona-dhona a lot and by the way the promos are going out - SLB and SP sure is spending a lot of money on this baby. Hmm what is SP going to do if this doesn't click. Somehow none of the shows that have launched in the last year have become a rage(this on all the channels) except for a few - like MB. It is only the old serials that is getting TRPs for the channels like BV for colors, YRK for SP and Pavitra rishta for Zee. Seems like the channels have to think on audience tastes and how they are changing and try to provide for the changing tastes.
Regarding Kaali, I think SP is going to run it in the slot till it ends - my gut feeling. Kaali was never a long going soap - I am guessing it is going to wrap up by June this year. SP has Daag coming up which most probably is a late night show and Sherdil Shergill is going to replace Behna. The other 2 shows that have gotten a go ahead in SP are a new show and Ekta's show and whichever is ready first will get the 8pm slot and by the time these shows are ready, Kaali would be done with. So my gut feeling Kaali will end on 8pm time slot.
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMGO MG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG Just read the PV update
ReplyDeleteAkash bitwa got marriedddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
*rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl*
I am soooooooooooo reminded of Saif's dialogue, kissi aur kay shaadi may jaakar ILU bola about that Akash (THAT was aamir's name in the movie right)
Yahan par toh kisi aur kay shaadi may khud ki shaadi kar li,
wah, wah!!!!!!!!!
Akash Bitwa ROCKSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
Off to watch the epi
AHA!!! ...........Na se sandy typo nahin, I do mean, Ahaaaaaaaa!!!
What??!! He did? To the millionaire's daughter?
DeleteROFL ... Shwethu, khush to tum BAHUT hoge aaj!!!
shwethu, i'm wondering about that shiddat habit of yours... ((hugs))
Deletepersonally, i felt akshay bitwa was the only spark on that show when that kidnapping melodrama was on.. he has those sparkling eyes that impress you immediately.. seems to me the PV ppl saw it too!
waisey, in QH, someone said "itni shiddat se dua maangoge to zaroor wo qubool karega" i dont know if that is a normal dialogue, but the only word that stuck in my mind was shiddat :D
AHA!!
DeleteROFL Shweths. I am telling you for me henceforth each time he comes on screen I will be going AHA in my mind and thinking of you :))
Dogra better send royalties to you for all that shiddat you did here that he gets screen space and dialogues.
Chappar phaad ke role mila hai.
J,
DeleteSC's latest promo also has shiddat. I tell you too many silent stalkers here :P
Article in TOI ... pertains to discussion we were having about social responsibility of creatives on TV.
ReplyDeleteTV channels creative teams to be sensitised on women depiction
Just how many people stalk this place? :D
but this is old dia.. meeting was two weeks ago! and honestly, like the comments have said, sensationalist scenes create high TRPs.. it is highly inadvisable, but I feel that showing salacious content is considered vulgar, showing vicious content is not.. and they have the ready excuse that love conquers everything!!
Deletecoming to QH "asad loves zoya, he felt betrayed by his faith in her as well as his love, so he slapped her in reaction! " (i feel that the harsh words about her mom were more wounding than the actual slap.) and yet, when he asks for forgiveness, she readily gives it..
asad gets the truth from his mom, sees how upset zoya is, and honestly apologizes. she knows that he was upset, she feels guilty for having caused this gunshot..she has feelings for him too.. she thinks that the slap was forgivable. and she talks to him about her ammi, underscoring that the rude comment was not acceptable.. and suddenly i feel that zoya is the mature one here.
was the slap a TRP gimmick? yes. but it was weaved seamlessly into the story.
Dia,
DeleteThe article speaks big but not sure how much of noise and how much substance in it being executed well.Another excuse for creatives most probably when audience next says show meaningful story.
Who will sit and qualify and list what amounts to poor potrayal of women?
Honestly, I doubt anything substantial will happen ... all these are knee jerk reactions to the rape case ... but seeing the way the Verma report has been treated, doubt anything substantial will emerge. Until and unless there are major changes in Indian society, including the way we bring up our sons, these attitudes won't change. Problem is, it seems that the vast majority of the audience is happy with the status quo, which is why the top TRP serials are the ones they are. I wonder if once MB becomes famous successful movie star, will they show her lose her family values and 'gharelupan' and her sanskar? That's the biggest problem - all makers seem to equate good Indian values with subservient, silently suffering Indian women, not with women who have a voice of their own and courage of conviction or freedom of expression. And the audiences seem to lap that up too!
DeleteComing to Zoya ... I think the slap was a storm in a teacup ... it was unintentional, lashing out by a very emotionally disturbed man, this time not disturbed by his mysterious 'past', but by a very understandable traumatic present, with his adored mother lying in hospital fighting for her life, and all he knew was that this girl was responsible. And she was to some extent ... not for the immediate shooting, but definitely her interference in the Mariam matter kickstarted the entire chain of events. And she knew it ... hence her guilt. In fact, I felt more irritated with her ... she should have stayed out of his way, and what was all that crying about 'I will look for my father' ... abhi tak toh all she has been doing is getting on Asad's nerves and irritating him ... she hasn't done a darn thing about hunting for her dad! While watching her crying, all I could think was ... her face is white and her neck is brown, she needs to use less foundation. So far I have very little sympathy for Zoya.
Haven't seen the last episode - I get them a day late here :) Yes, he will feel bad when he realises he was wrong and Dilshad had brought Mariam back ... but Zoya can't escape her share of the guilt.
Dia,
Deletefully agree....
"all makers seem to equate good Indian values with subservient, silently suffering Indian women, not with women who have a voice of their own and courage of conviction or freedom of expression. And the audiences seem to lap that up too!"
There is this terrible perception building thru television stereotypes of "tradition bound saas and bahu sagas" as if the corner stone of everything Indian is only about traditions, as if there is no value to any voice of liberal thot or reason....and if a sane voice has to emerge, they have to choose the most arduous paths to convey their position ( BV, DABH cases in point) and the rest...they don't even merit a mention becos they don't even make that semblance of an attempt.
Felt so bad for poor Veera ... the poor baby finally learnt what crying was!
ReplyDeleteHope the teacher gets suspended at the very least! Height of irresponsibility!
Dia,
DeleteMy kiddo and me saw it yday. She was colouring while I was watching and then it was mostly her running commentary about the poor chota baby and see her brother is searching for her.
Precap scene was nice - Ratan finally makes an ardaas to Babaji for Veera from a mother's POV.
Dia,
DeleteWatching Veera like that was really heart wrenching, i was getting soo angry on that stupid teacher, how could she be soo careless. Hoping they find her in today's epi , i so wanted to hug that poor kid when she started crying yaar :(
smile a little bit
ReplyDelete*suniye *
*hmm*
Delete*muah*
Deletewow.. the screenplay.. (applause!)
ReplyDeletelook at the way the thoughts flow seamlessly for the whole ten minutes.. and the bg music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5I4dyvrotQ
This is the IPK we fell in love with :)
Deletewhat if arshi was a love triangle? very well made VM
ReplyDeleteArnav and Khushi, Feat. Geet.
how can you showcase who khushi was in three minutes?
ReplyDeletemindblowing VM by rag1ni
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McasjL03WdM
Rekh,
ReplyDeleteI am writing a loooong reply, which I bet only you will have the patience to read. *hugs*
"the teller should also be ready to accept that people may also react to it based on their individual compass and that is a risk a story teller will have to assume. Then its a case of the narrator's ability to convince the viewer of his/her viewpoint..":
“Personally for me Rashid is persona non grata in the story..his only role in the story is have sired Asad and Ayaan (thru diff women) and probably have some unfortunate connection to Z's past...i don't even think any happy reunion is required in this matter.”
I don't know why QH is a smooth watch for me. I don't LIKE Rashid as a character. I don't think ANYONE does. There is NOTHING lovable about the character. And Gul is not even trying to make him likeable...I can tell you one instance when I HATED the man...
Asad comes to Rashid's house to deliver the news that his ammi is dying...he knows she would want to see her ex- husband before she breathed her last. So he swallows his pride and goes to the man whom he can never reconcile with.
Asad leaves. Now, what does this SPINELESS MAN do? He standes there to get bullied by Raziya (the SIL- munh boli)...she ORDERS that he has no business seeing Dilshad since there is no relationship between them now, and this SPINELESS GUY ...he takes his suitcase and proceeds to the air port.
Note two things here.
1. His own son Ayan confronts him- gives him a look of contempt and walks out of the house- he goes to the hospital to support his bhaijan. Not before he gives his father a look of CONTEMPT. (NOW, to me that is the biggest punishment for Rashid as a father- HIS CHILDREN LOSE THEIR RESPECT FOR HIM.)
2. As Rashid is leaving for the airport, Shireen sees the tears in his eyes- KNOWS HIS PAIN- and she releases him ...she asks him to go see Dilshad! YOu can ONLY HATE Rashid when you see this episode- you wonder what he has done to DESERVE such wonderful women and beautiful children...the point is,
"Forgiveness is not deserved- NEVER,
it is GIVEN."
I was searching for something apt on forgiveness and the one thing that stumped me was...I used to think forgiveness should be earned, but I have grown to realise this, that forgiveness is not deserved by some one, it is just given...but there was no quote that could bring out the essence of that thought. Then I came across this:
Do read it. http://www.experienceproject.com/question-answer/Is-Forgiveness-Earned-Or-Given/164531
I liked this reply.
“It cannot be earned as we cannot ensure that what we do will ever be enough for the other person to forgive....so it has to be given first”
And this:
“It's Given - forGIVEness
One can be remorseful, but one actually has to GIVE for the act to occur.”
I am going one step further, into religion, so all atheists please switch off.*wink*
DeleteI understood this concept of forgiveness only after years of reciting the Lord’s prayer. Some times we don’t understand the depth of meaning in our prayers.
Quoting someone,:
‘“forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” I am forgiven of so much by the grace of God. That knowledge brings me to a place of being able to extend that kind of REAL, deep and meaningful grace to those who trespass against me, but in order to do that, I have to remember that I am also ultimately forgiven—not perfect, but forgiven. ‘
"Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassion, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. (Colossians 3:12-13)
Confession time:
Rekh,
I hate giving sermons because after that you are bound to act at least a little saintly.
I am very human. I get angry, make mistakes- so I can understand people who do that.
I am not a saint.
And I am sure there are better quotes than this in the Bible and Koran and Gita...
I can tell you one thing. When you learn to forgive someone who has not said sorry to you...you are taking away the power that person has to hurt you. IT IS MY CHOICE. And when I do that I am only doing MYSELF the biggest favour.
That is the beauty of forgiveness not being deserved by someone. The forgiver GETS MORE by giving.
Whew!
DeleteI KNOW THIS is Gul’s point. That is why I have no problem with a Geet forgiving her BIL (btw, the guy repented , I don’t know if he said sorry to her in person, but he repented- he realised Geet was blessed by God in spite of everything he had done to her- she had found true love and he was not even loved by the person for whom he had destroyed her happiness.That much of introspection – in actual words- is enough for me to feel the character has earned forgiveness.) or a Khushi forgiving her family and her husband without an apology. And even a Khushi wanting to forgive a Shyam, because she thought he had reformed.
And this is exactly what Zoya is trying to teach Asad- in yesterday’s episode, she wanted to talk to him about forgiving his father..the moment she mentioned his father, he walked away, saying he does not want her sympathy. And what does this adorable heroine do? She raises her eyebrows, shrugs her shoulder, smiles to herself and says: “Bilkul iss coffee ke tarah hai- BLACK AND BITTER”!
(Ab iss baar yeh mat bolna, ki I MU-ed you.
I will die and come back to haunt you in real life. And I will terrorise you....I am most unforgiving....I swear! )
*no hugs at all*
".i don't even think any happy reunion is required in this matter.”
The happy reunion is NOT FOR RASHID'S SAKE- it is for the sake of his children. They deserve that.
And if Dilshad and Shireen decide this unworthy man does not deserve to be torn like this every second of his existence...
OK. I am ready to hug you after that thought. *hugs*
I can tell you one thing. When you learn to forgive someone who has not said sorry to you...you are taking away the power that person has to hurt you. IT IS MY CHOICE. And when I do that I am only doing MYSELF the biggest favour.
DeleteSu, Wow!!!!
Su
Deletei do not watch QH, so dont know what is happening, but did read about audience reaction to the slapping incident, guess its mostly for TRP drama
btw what you have written about forgiveness/forgiving is really beautiful and i agree with you by forgiving someone else's mistake we will only be helping ourselves in the long run to move on in life, i believe a lot of truth is there in the saying "forgive and forget" for our sanity and peace of mind :)
Su,
DeleteHum donon likhwa ke laye hain...that we will fill in R&R ke pages...with long posts...
I don't have any issue with the aspect of forgiveness, its something that person in the situation has to decide....i just stop short of conferring nobility to the gesture, becos in a way it puts the "victim" under pressure. Ofc, its really nice if people can move on after bitter experiences..it comes after having healed and found closure to troubling questions.If u see, its an essential part of judicial systems to consider in criminality....the ability of mankind to reform....
I understand ur point of Dilshaad and Shireen being the only people ( and her children too) who should have a say in whether Rashid deserves a second chance..and obviously thats how it will unfold in the story...but all i am saying is that view will be subject to diverse reactions simply becos it concerns a "moral" question.
to quote u from above
"It cannot be earned as we cannot ensure that what we do will ever be enough for the other person to forgive....so it has to be given first”
Accepted....but also accept thate there will be opinions on whether the story teller has given Rashid a reprieve....the fact of "giving" or "granting forgiveness" making that person far higher on a moral ground will escape people's attention unless the very point is made by the story teller if that is her intention.
" When you learn to forgive someone who has not said sorry to you...you are taking away the power that person has to hurt you. IT IS MY CHOICE. And when I do that I am only doing MYSELF the biggest favour."
DeleteSu, well said ...
Adding another quote ... To err is human, to forgive, divine.
To forgive is probably the most difficult thing to do ... to forgive and forget, even more so. But forgiving when the other person has not truly repented ... that can lay one open to more hurt, and can be construed as weakness, and worse, as encouraging the wrongdoer to continue with his wrongdoing ... that's where the danger lies.
As in Khushi forgiving Shyam when he had not truly repented, and thus laying herself and the family open to more danger ... or here, Dilshad forgiving Rashid ... forgiving him and doing what about it? If Dilshad forgives Rashid for what he did to her, and then calmly moves on with her life, not letting him back in again, but not harbouring any grudges against him either, that would be true forgiveness in my view ... but forgiving him and allowing him back into her life without knowing the reason why he betrayed her, would be stupid. It's a very grey area between forgiveness and accepting somebody's wrongs without any retribution at all ... I, for one, cannot be dogmatic and specify what would be right or wrong.
And *disclaimer* I haven't been following the show enough to make any judgements anyway ;)
DeleteRekh, Nandini,
DeleteClubbing my reply to both your points.
'Accepted....but also accept thate there will be opinions on whether the story teller has given Rashid a reprieve....the fact of "giving" or "granting forgiveness" making that person far higher on a moral ground will escape people's attention unless the very point is made by the story teller if that is her intention':
It depends on the mentality of the audience and that changes with times. A Mahatma Gandhi would have been laughed at in our times...so, Gul is actually foolish in a way. Every one wants fast food. The quality and nutrition does not matter so long as it is tasty.
For eg. NO one makes a fuss about a woman justifying murder (when the act needed not be justified at all...the guy was killed in self defense)...but add a lot of the downtrodden woman drama and the audience laps it up...who is looking at relevance?
On the other hand, a man lashes out in anger and rage and slaps a woman who was responsible for his mother dying...he is NOT IN HIS SENSES...it is normal, plausible, happens in life...people even commit murder in rage, and the maker is not GLORIFYING it, yet the whole hoard of feminists will descend down and RAPE the creator and characters for it.
Yes, we all know we need to raise our voice on crime against women...but a slap...I felt the whole issue was not relevant at all here. The intentions were good, but misplaced.
And SUCH A CROWD will NEVER understand the concept of forgiveness- deserved or NOT. So, Rashid will be forgiven and a lot of people are NOT GOING to like it, however wronged Rashid will be made to look.
IT IS NOT about the NOBILITY of the gesture...not at all...
After 17 years the day Raziya got wind that Rashid was contacting Dilshad, theer was an attempt on her life. Rashid has said it- that he does not deserve forgiveness, knows what he did to her was a great injustice...
And he still refuses to divulge the reason to Dilshad...he is NOT GUARDING HIS DIRTY SECRET, HE IS TRYING TO PROTECT HER BY KEEPING AWAY FROM HER.
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3428822
This post from NIshi clarifies a lot of things.
She does sound high- handed, but I suppose it is also because they have been harassed a lot. Now Nishi is into "Offence is the best form of defence."
Dia,
Delete'It's a very grey area between forgiveness and accepting somebody's wrongs without any retribution at all ... I, for one, cannot be dogmatic and specify what would be right or wrong.':
Without any retribution:
Khushi forgave Shyam only because she thought he was the reason for Anjali's pink health. He really seemed to be a great human being to want to help his wife come out of her misery...was theer a change? I know we have discussed this already and I do get your point.
I forgot to make a point on forgiveness.
It is siad, 'Women forgive, but never forget'...Khushi never forgot. She did not become pally with Shyam- she did not relax...she was alert whenever he came near- as was the rest of the family.
Do you remember how I used to go on and on and on about Shyam's identity as a kidnapper should be a secret...you all wanted open trial in front of the family and I was the only traitor praying that he stayed hidden. This was precisely the reason why. Khushi should never have known that Shyam was so dangerous...that should have come only in the end. But by then, everyone wanted justice...most of us were tired of a tale where the villain seemed to be winning all the time...SP would've put pressure...unforeseen circumstances requiring the script to be rewritten over and over again... Gul made a mistake with that track. I feel that may have been the biggest of the many diversions she had to take.
In general about Forgiving:
I am not saying there is glory in forgiving every Tom Dick and Harry. Just the ones who make your life miserable...forgive them, and if they are worth it...allow them back in your life.
If they are not, forgive them and move on and keep a very SAFE distance.
Blogger swallowed my running commentary of the episode, grrrrrrrrrrr.....
ReplyDeleteSo short take:
Akash bitwa rocked!!!!!!!!!! Seriously:)
Akash's Dad and Mom have excellent chemistry.
I liked the actress who played Ishita, she was good.
So Akash was a bit of a jackass leaving his wife like that, but theek I like the contrast in the people.
Ishita is handicapped...think Anjali.
Yup apart from that I thought the whole episode was absolutely Lalluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!
Except Akash, Ishita,Akash's Mom, Suraj Pratap, his wife sabkay jootay and mooh main fevicol chipkay huay thay kya......
No one moved a muscle, when gun was being pointed towards Yash, Ishita or towards SP...
No one even said, array wait Ishita, that guy is a driver!!!!!
*head desk*
Koi baat nahin, Akash bitwa got married to a rich heiress........he also is the son of a rich guy.........Akash bitwa got to do some acting and action.........
It was Akash bitwa's day!!!!!!!!!!
ps - Sanday says Maatay , Jayu says she thought Akash bitwa had spark in the kidnapping episode:
SAB KAY SAB
Akash bitwa kay closet fans hain*wink*
Shwethu.....closet fans hi hain sab ke sab.....isliye toh Akash bitwa ke liye itne khush hum sab hue ja rahe hain....
Deletei saw one scene on SBB segment ...i think it was this gun wielding epi...meri nazar akash bitwa se nahin hat rahi thi....but guess what that bitwa was doing...since he was not in the main frame..he was just loitering and i was constantly telling...palat palat SRK style....but bitwa nahin palta...
Shweths ... read all ur take on YOUR Akash bitwa ;)
Deleteenjoyed it more than when watching it yaar.. Sach kaho tho ek-do epi mein itna drama PV mein dek kar mera tho sar chakra gaya.. but Akshay was good and others like you said had become statues, especially when that gun pointing drama was going on :P am guessing now that jayaz-najayaz aulad walla track shuru hoga PV mein :p
closet nahee open phanki hoon..never said otherwise. he's a pretty bwoy. shwethu, who are you liking the new city?
DeleteMB - haven't seen the episodes for the last two days but was thinking about the promo - it just does not make sense - the CT has gone to great lengths to show the change in RK - even when he was alone or thinking in private or talking to his lawyer or doing things for MB's family without letting her know or getting almost killed in the act of saving MB (ok so he was putting on a show - but then why get beat up by the goons before he even reaches the venue where MB is??) - plus if he was all bad why refuse to sleep with her - why the scruples - the insult would have been complete! So i think that all will be led to thinking RK is all evil when (after a while) it will be revealed that he is not all evil - he was helping /protecting /acting under compulsion (typical stupid TV logic) ... and of course they will ruin the story for good!
ReplyDeleteWell everyone knows that but what my first attempt at a prediction.. MB will (after her initial shock ) not believe that he cheated on her and will want to find out why he is behaving thus - will being back the contract into play and say till i pay, i am still your wife.. too crazy even for telly logic??
Hi!,
DeleteI have not been watching any serious TV for quite some time. But I always make it a point to visit the blog. Just wanted to say that I have been catching a few episodes of Madhubala. Don't know if I really like the story or the heroine (the character of Madhubala does not impress me at all at the moment). But the character of "RK" really got me hooked. I just love his 'wicked' sense of humour! And it is nice to see a sensible and intelligent hero on Indian TV. I hope they don't mess up with his characterisation in the near future though. As I don't watch the show regularly, I would love to read some of your updates here.
Ayesha,
DeleteHi! Long time!
Mona,
My MB prediction is similar too. Hi5!
MB said she would be able to see throgh RK lying even when he kept the straightest face. I am not watching regularly, but I think you will not be disappointed with the track at all. This is just GH's googli...and very much in keeping with the hero- he loves playing games..but I feel he may not be testing or playing games this time around...there is a purpose behind all this drama: Either RK feels he has to keep MB at a safe distance from him...or he wants her to grow out of his shadow...(may be he was impressed by the ferocious woman he saw at the court and feels she has a long way to go.)
All I wonder is, whether MB can top the test...will she be able to see through his mask. And, considering THIS IS NOT A TEST AT ALL< but an act of love, I feel she might not be able to tell. (Sad for me agin, if that happens, because, again the heroine is made brainless beside your super hero.)
Hi Ayesha, welcome back! Good to see you again! Most of us are in the same boat ... not following anything, just watching randomly :) Phir bhi bak bak carries on!!!
Deletesanaya's interview with gul, part 2
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDjuONxT1Wc
very impressed.
WRITTEN UPDATE HERE:
Deletehttp://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3429670
sanaya's promo with karan on zee's valentine show
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph3stJ09Umc
teamsarun visit the gupta ladies
ReplyDeletehttp://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3430397
ALLRIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am dumping Viraaf-Sanaya onscreen jodi!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteKaran Grover-Sanaya...........are the beshtttttttttt!!!
*SHIDDAT*
Karan equally matches Sanaya in Acting, Dancing & Mental Department.:)
Bas!!!!!!!!!!
Zeeeeeeeewalon Wake up!!!!!!!!! And Smell the new script and hit TRP Jodi in town!!!!!!!
how do you put a link in post?
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3430725&TPN=18
She makes every guy LOOK GOOD!!!
*NAZAR UTAROFIES*
Tu aa gayi!!!! Oye, I've posted the edited videos in the Sanaya post ... they were totally ROFL!!! Mental department ... so true!!! Nautankibaaz, dono!!!
DeleteAnd it's proved without any doubt ... Sanaya can make a good jodi with almost ANY decent actor!!! SP, wake up ... otherwise you're going to lose your best actress!!!
*NAZAR UTAROFIES* ... with the comments she's getting, nazar utarna zaroori hai, boss!
SN - San wore more and better dresses in half an hour ka footage than she wore in more than half the IPK ka entire show! Excluding the special sarees and lehngas.
SN2 - has anyone seen some random actress on Zee wearing Sanaya's wedding lehnga?! Hence proved ... Sanaya made even the hideous outfits look gorgeous ... and when she was given some good ones, she was simply breath-taking!!!
*Nazar utarofies again*
Arshad Khan's interview - About TIMEEEEEEE!!!!!
ReplyDeleteChalo LM kay talent ka MU toh hata*ducks, he he*
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3431290
PS - Did I mention I am in love WITH KARAN-Sanaya Pairing, awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!
Shweths,
DeleteExactly my sentiments too. So seems like Arshad directed the rain hug(first rabba ve), Diwali almost kiss, Arnav's first breakdown, Holi scenes and Khushi falling off cliff during Arnav's kidnapping. Toh bhai why was LM taking all the credit ? Seems like most of the chap gaya woh pal scenes were of arshad's - then he was grossly under appreciated when he was directing IPK.
I am also liking Karan-Sanaya pairing - the jodi looks good. And Sanaya had gorgeous costumes in Ishq wala love. Wish she had these costumes in IPK.