Veera - apparently heading for a leap. Good thing too ... Veera is getting a tad annoying, and it seems they have run out of things to show the bro-sis love. Also, Nihal's truth is long overdue for exposure ... he and Ratan cannot get together, because if they do, they will become a big happy family, Veera will get Ratan's love and the premise of 'Anokhi Maa' will be lost. So Ratan has to be shaken up so much that she withdraws from Veera again ... they are already trying to show that ... and Ranvi will take over the mom job again.
Just hope Ranvi does get through his studies ... it's okay to show Veera being the smart one and her father's true heir, but Ranvi shouldn't end up a complete wastrel ... he has been shown too responsible and thehra hua for that ...
Na Bole Tum - Marriage didn't happen ... Mohan called it off, rather than let Beera insult them all. Now what? Missed the last couple of episodes ...
Madhubala ... is anyone following that at all?
Qabool Hai ... caught the Thursday and Friday episodes ... FAR TOO MUCH of Raziya and Badi Bi ... I ffwed almost the whole thing! The rest of the episodes are nowhere to be found online ... I really wanted to watch the aftermath of the Tanveer drama ... couldn't :(
Now I am finally at peace that IPK ended when it did ... Gul puts in a overdose of evil in her shows, I can watch QH because I'm not attached to the characters at all. Would have been a different matter entirely for Arnav-Khushi. And now can see what Gul had in mind for IPK after aborting the re-marriage - a really painful redemption for Arnav, while Khushi disappears.
Meri Bhabhi - new show on SP. Anyone watching? I find it watchable ... Zor's love for Shraddha borders almost on obsession ... bhabhi is typical perfect SP bahu, the interesting part is her strained equation with her husband. Supriya is also interesting, especially the hint about her past ... although she is also a bit sugary sweet, a hangover from SGP. Shraddha was very weepy the first few episodes, Friday she was better. I love Kanwaljeet and Supriya P ... liked the bhabhi in her first show, Mukti Bandhan - she is a okay actress, pleasant to watch on screen. Never seen Kanchi before, she seems decent too. The actors from one of my favorite shows, Maryada are all surfacing ... the younger son is from Maryada too - he was the only average actor there though! The elder son is good, again his character is interesting, including the edgy relationship with his wife.
Just hope Ranvi does get through his studies ... it's okay to show Veera being the smart one and her father's true heir, but Ranvi shouldn't end up a complete wastrel ... he has been shown too responsible and thehra hua for that ...
Na Bole Tum - Marriage didn't happen ... Mohan called it off, rather than let Beera insult them all. Now what? Missed the last couple of episodes ...
Madhubala ... is anyone following that at all?
Qabool Hai ... caught the Thursday and Friday episodes ... FAR TOO MUCH of Raziya and Badi Bi ... I ffwed almost the whole thing! The rest of the episodes are nowhere to be found online ... I really wanted to watch the aftermath of the Tanveer drama ... couldn't :(
Now I am finally at peace that IPK ended when it did ... Gul puts in a overdose of evil in her shows, I can watch QH because I'm not attached to the characters at all. Would have been a different matter entirely for Arnav-Khushi. And now can see what Gul had in mind for IPK after aborting the re-marriage - a really painful redemption for Arnav, while Khushi disappears.
Meri Bhabhi - new show on SP. Anyone watching? I find it watchable ... Zor's love for Shraddha borders almost on obsession ... bhabhi is typical perfect SP bahu, the interesting part is her strained equation with her husband. Supriya is also interesting, especially the hint about her past ... although she is also a bit sugary sweet, a hangover from SGP. Shraddha was very weepy the first few episodes, Friday she was better. I love Kanwaljeet and Supriya P ... liked the bhabhi in her first show, Mukti Bandhan - she is a okay actress, pleasant to watch on screen. Never seen Kanchi before, she seems decent too. The actors from one of my favorite shows, Maryada are all surfacing ... the younger son is from Maryada too - he was the only average actor there though! The elder son is good, again his character is interesting, including the edgy relationship with his wife.
NBT: Marriage happened, Dia. Addu was hoping that Nanhi will turn against Mohan for stopping the wedding but Nanhi told Mohan that she knows he would always have her best interests in mind but she believes Beera. Nanhi expresses her confidence that Beera will not ditch her and her immense faith in him shames Beera into going ahead and marrying Nanhi. His guilt at having planned to betrayed such a trusting and loving girl like Nanhi is eating him up and he is reserved during their honeymoon. Nanhi attributes his reticence to Mohan's behaviour at the wedding and gives him time to open up. Dadaji is upset that his grandson ditched him in the end. Mohan and Megha come to know that the other was aware that the boy staying with them is not the real Addu but had kept it a secret for the well being of the other.
ReplyDeleteThe real Addu warns Mohan against revealing his identity to Megha. Mohan is undecided when the real Munna identifies his grandmom at the wedding and calls out to her. Mohan and Megha decide to send him to his grandmom and get Rhimjim to agree to leave her Addu bhaiyya. The real Addu distracts the grandmother before she could get suspicious and sends her away. So Mohan and Megha who come to drop Munna at her place only find a locked house.
The real Addu calls Mohan to the place where he lost him 12 years back and accuses him of being responsible for all that happened to him in the last 12 years. His hatred for Mohan is palpable. Mohan tries to reason with him but to no avail.
The show is interestingly poised. How will Addu reunite with the family. Would he demand that Mohan has to leave Megha? Would Nanhi come to know of Beera's intention to take revenge? Would she forgive him? We need to wait and watch. I find this show to be the most engaging and fairly logical of all the shows. The emphasis on complex human emotions are beautifully portrayed by all concerned.
Thanks a lot, Opti!!! I was busy last week and missed the episodes after Mohan stops the wedding. I had no idea what had happened - thanks for filling me in! Agree with you, NBT is engaging and their story telling is fairly logical and consistent.
DeleteSo Mohan knows the fake Munna is really Addu, but Megha does not know that yet? He has not told her? Will catch up this week.
Yes, Mohan comes to know that Munna is Addu but has not yet revealed it to Megha because the real Addu is emotionally blackmailing him into secrecy.
DeleteDia,
ReplyDeleteOpti has already filled you in on NBT...
QH: It is unfortunate you watched Thursday and Friday- they have taken away the focus from AsYa- I still think it is a very good move- I was annoyed with the thursday precap itself- but Friday kept me entertained as a viewer. And pining for Ajmer track...
Why is it that Gul's negative characters don't affect me so much? I find them quite comical, actually- inspired by 'The Joker' from Batman. :D
Tanveer and Raziya are quite comical at times (Friday was one such epi for me)- so was Shyam.
Meri Bhabhi: Caught some few minutes- did not look too interesting to me.
Jodha Akbar- Didn't like the first few epis. Watched Friday's- it is looking quite good currently- guess it will follow the theme of the movie more or less, so there is no fear of Ekta coming out with her usual tricks- otherwise, I have found most of her serials pretty watchable. This one has the potential to come out as the No:1 in Zee, considering they are going to get married soon, and the real drama starts then. Actually, the script has been re-written pretty well for the small screen.
SC: It looks like Saras and Kumud are soon headed fore a break up- engineered by WHO ELSE.
Veera: The trps were very good last week- I have not watched it for quite some time.
MB: Found it sickening that they put up Sultan in the montage- with Madhu standing between the two brothers.
If it had been Sultan in the bg, standing in between the couple, causing a rift, it'd have been more sensible. Though, I did get the montage- it is Madhu torn between her husband and her friend.
I must compliment DD on doing a 6 day show, along with JDJ- and doing quite well. This girl has lots of stamina.
Su,
DeleteArey, I tried to find the previous episodes of QH, the ending of the Tanveer drama and the scenes in the desert, those were what I wanted to watch - the cinematography there was beautiful, what I saw on the SBS. Zee has removed or blocked most of the online uploads and I don't get the channel. I could only find Th/Fri episodes ... not nearly as engaging, although the new Ayaan is way better than the old one.
Same reason I haven't been able to watch Jodha Akbar.
Madhubala ... haven't watched at all for some time, last I watched I saw Zarina Wahab and Sultan repeating the same dialogues again and again for most of the episode. Now that RK and MB are happily married, and DD is doing JDJ, I think the makers are scrambling to find a parallel track which will work. Agree with you about DD's stamina ... JDJ is a killer ... to manage that with a 6 day show requires huge amounts of stamina. Am sure she would be cursing her best friend Sanaya for backing out - because Sanaya refused, the makers roped in DD! And since she is on the channel, she couldn't say no.
SC - is looking more like a saas bahu saga than a tale of soulful eternal love.
Sun rahaa hai naa tu
ReplyDeleteRo rahaa hoon main
Sun raha hai naa tu
Kyun ro raha hoon main
You're listening, right?
I am crying here..
You're listening to me right..
Why I am crying here..
Manzilein ruswa hain
Khoyaa hai raasta
Aaye le jaaye
Itni si iltijaa
Ye meri zamaanat hai
Tu meri amaanat hai..
Haan..
destinations are destroyed..
the path is lost..
(Someone, you actually) comes n takes me away
only this is my small wish..
This is my surety,
you're mine..
Apne karam ki kar ataayein
Kar de idhar bhi tu nigaahein
Sun raha hai naa tu..
Waqt bhi thehra hai
Kaise kyoon ye huaa
Kaash tuu aise aaye
Jaise koi duaa
Tu rooh kee raahat hai
Tu meri ibaadat hai..
Time is stopped too,
How and why it happened..
May you just come
like some prayer..
You're the peace of soul..
You're my prayer..
Apne karam ki kar atayein
Kar de idhar bhi tu nigahein
Sun raha hai naa tu..
Yaaraaa..
O Love..
*********************************************
Sun raha hai na tu
Ro raha hoon mein...
Asad is beside himself with grief..even after a month, he does not try to move on.
His heart is stricken, his life is empty- all he wants is her.
His soul cries out to her- sun raha hai na tu...he knows what he has done is unforgivable, but he cannot take one step further without Zoya- without her grace of forgiveness and acceptance...HE SIMPLY CANNOT LIVE.
Zoya, on the other hand has tried to move on- she finds solace in her Khudah and his forgotten children- she finds a new meaning to her life by giving- to the needy. She does not try to see him in everything she does- in fact, she tries to forget- yet he does not evade her. However much she tries to SHAKE HIM AWAY, he is still there- IS HE NOT THE NEEDY ONE, ZOYA?
Sun raha hai na tu
Ro raha hoon main...
It is a wail that erupts from the depths of his soul...ONLY ZOYA CAN HEAL HIM, BY COMPLETING HIM.
This song makes me feel so sad.
Along with the words of the promo...so BEAUTIFUL!
Indeed, only Allah can give Zoya the gift of forgiveness that can lift this terrible gloom out of Asad's life- until then, he cannot be counted as 'living'.
Su,
DeleteDid Azad really sleep with Tanveer or did she fool him into believing he did? Would Azad forgive Zoya if she was in his place? Why is it that it is the women who should be the all forgiving kinds in our telly world?
Opti,
DeleteI didn't watch those episodes, but I can bet that Asad did not sleep with Tanveer ... she merely fooled him into thinking he did. Gul did the same with ASR in IPK, she meant Sheetal to fool him into thinking exactly that. So far QH has been running strongly parallel to IPK with a few tweaks, so it's easy to figure that one out.
Re your second question ... why should women be the forgiving kinds in telly world? Because life imitates art - did you not see the huge uproar in IPKland when Gul was planning to kill Arnav and introduce a new love interest for Khushi? A woman has to be faithful to one love all her life ... even if that love dies, she cannot move on. No wonder this happens in reality too - when people cannot accept a woman moving on even in their fantasy world, how can they accept it in reality?
Su,
DeleteAgain beautifully written ... are these the words of a song or are they your own? I really wish I could feel for the characters in QH as much as you do ... you pen their thoughts beautifully!
That is a beautiful song Su.. Dia, it is a song beautifully composed and written by Mithoon (?) for movie Ashiqui2
DeleteS
Opti,
DeleteIf Zoya had been the one in Asad's place, I am sure Gul would have made him forgive her-I have not watched Geet- but I guess she made Maan forgive Geet for carrying his brother's child- that in itself was a powerful concept, I felt- that a man would accept a woman along with her child from another man. On, if the same man would accept a woman who betrayed him- would it be a novel concept if a TV show came up with it?- it might be a first in television, but it is not a new concept for me- I have seen it in reel and real.
The point is,LOVE FORGIVES- and it is not about a sacrifice- or WHO forgives- it is about POWER for me. The forgiving person in a relationship is more powerful and beautiful- that is why Gul's heroines forgive- not because they are wimps. And it is my personal belief that women are stronger than men- I guess that is why Gul's shows are dear to me.
Have you read that real life story of a woman who helped out her husband's girl friend and kid after his demise- this guy had cheated on her- she was getting nothing by this act of forgiveness- yet she did- that shows the strength of her character. She turned a thorn into a flower- it was the thorn in her own heart.
Let me ask you a question.
If Zoya does not forgive Asad, will she ever be able to face her maker. She is not supposed to carry any grudge- going by her religion and most religions- if she truly forgives him, wouldn't she accept him back, given the way he is pining after her, and her own suppressed feelings?
On Asad believing Tanveer at face value, not bothering to question her- please read this if you are curious.
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3642922
Dia,
Aashiqui 2 has some nice songs. This one was played in SBS last week, and today it struck me to be in sync with the promo- it is about Asad crying his heart out...the promo says Zoya has heard it- yet she leaves...and only Khudah can get them together again...and everything somehow fell into place for me- the promo, the song and the current track(I guess the melancholy is multiplied when we have been getting only 3- 4 minutes of Asad and Zoya and that too, full on tears.).
Ajmer- please watch this week's epis...they have not yet aired Jaipur- Ajmer.The montage comes as 'Ajmer Special' now.
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3648397
Forum 32 article...Explains Gul's concept well- on all the characters. Every one is hiding- even Zoya.
On getting the epis on net- Zee has a website, right? I thought everything gets uploaded there.
You can catch it for a brief time of about one-two hours after the epi in most of the sites- gets blocked after that.
WHY HASN'T ANY ONE mentioned the biggest news of all?
I heard IPK is re-running on Life OK....Apparently, even the promos are out.
"arnav: kaash mein tumse mohabatt kar paata
Deletekhushi: kaash men aapse nafrat kar paata"
the immortal words.. in a new setting. at least, gul got the correct hero to emote the angst this time.
IPK re runs are only for the LifeOK overseas audience.. LifeOK in india will not run it.
Oh No! Only overseas audience? I was hoping to catch up on the epis I missed.
DeleteThe Angst: For a second when Asad drove away, cursing himself, I imagined KSG as ASR.
Surbhi: How does she look so fragile? I mean her eyes- that innocent, alert, yet defeated look...SUPERB!
Humein deewaron pe mat chunwaiye , jahapanah...
Su,
ReplyDeleteMaan forgiving Geet for carrying his brother's child is not the same thing as Zoya forgiving Azad. Geet wasn't in a relationship with Maan at the time she conceived. She was 'married' to Dev and thought he was her husband when he bedded her. So Geet was an innocent victim. If you go back and see the episodes of Geet, Maan initially could not accept Geet once he came to know of her pregnancy. It is only after Geet explained the circumstances under which she got into this position that he regretted his behaviour. He could corroborate what she told him with events he himself was witness to.
Here Azad always was ready to believe the worst of Zoya and the best of Tanveer even though he was proved wrong time and time again. They both are paying the price for Azad's foolishness. Love may forgive but it would definitely take time. The wound is too raw. Azad should reciporcate that forgiveness, as and when it comes, with implicit and utmost faith in Zoya which he sadly was lacking.
As to women forgiving and hence being the stronger one, that is not confined to Gul's heroines alone. Most of the telly heroines are shown to be forgiving in nature. So I don't think Gul has done anything pathbreaking in this show.
The only show of hers which I found pathbreaking was Geet as you rightly pointed out accepting a woman with child needs a large heart. (Note that this has nothing to do with forgiveness as Geet did not need to be forgiven). Even though Maan took time, once he knew what the real deal was he stood by Geet like a rock and consired the unborn child as his own.
Opti,
DeleteI certainly am not claiming Gul is a path breaker- indeed, it is the concept of every show....I think SC will take the cake with Kumud pushing her sister towards Saras in the end, if the show follows the novel....
But I must say, the concept of Geet really surprised me- that someone'd attempt something like that on Indian telly...applaud Gul for that. I have not come across something like that on TV- other than Veera now maybe- but it looks like Nihal has a reason to stick around and fall in love...
On Geet:
I had wanted to ask you if Maan needed proof before he trusted Geet- you answered that.
PV: I think the wife of the youngest bro- Paridhi- she was molested- when she went against her husband's wishes and pursued her career- I think he forgave her for that. That is as close to a woman betraying, I have come across in TV. She was drugged too, I think- as Asad was.
On QH:
Yes, love will take its time...that is exactly what they are showing...After a month, Asad finds Zoya- her heart leaps for him, and she runs out....but stops at the door and hides herself again...she is not willing to forgive and forget, yet...
Asad had spent one whole month drowning himself in Zoya and all their moments together...when he finds her, he is denied access to her. When he asks the maulavi about Zoya, he simply tells him how broken hearted she is..and he curses himself .
Time has not healed...Zoya needs more time, more grace from God above, if she has to forgive something as grave as this. To err is human, to forgive is divine...Zoya is not divine, she is a mere human being.
So she refuses to meet him, even when she sees his agony...she has not stopped hurting and is trying her best to hate/ forget this man. And she gives strict instructions that if he comes asking again, they are to say she does not live there any more.
"Azad should reciporcate that forgiveness, as and when it comes, with implicit and utmost faith in Zoya which he sadly was lacking.":
You are asking Asad to trust Zoya over HIMSELF- her judgement over his- (that too, when zoya does not know half the things about Tanveer- her chldhood, her marriage, the terrible man who gouged out her eyes and wants her killed- Tanveer has built a rock solid story upon the foundation of Asad's trust in his childhood friend) for that he has to DIE AND BE REBORN- in the spirit...I think both of them are going through that purification process.
Right now,Zoya is stronger as a person. She can forget her personal grief and rush to save the little girl.
Asad: He turns to look at the scene of accident- assesses that it is minor, and decides to drive on...the tragedy around him cannot shake him out of his misery- this is not how Asad would have behaved, if Zoya had not been taken away from him- he is just an empty shell now.
I feel Gul has written them both beautifully as flawed human beings- but their punishment is undeserved- for both of them...it happens.
Su,
ReplyDeleteI am not an avid follower of QH. So my judgment of the character will be clouded but what little I saw, I was pretty put off by Azad repeatedly questioning Zoya, even when he was proved wrong time and time again. Tanveer did not come out very innocent in the scenes I had seen and yet he kept chosing to believe her over Zoya. She kept frequently changing her story and that to me was a dead give away. I thought even his own mom and sis placed more trust in Zoya than they did in Tanveer.
What is surprising is that it was Zoya who was more concerned for his own cousin than he was during the honour killing track. He did not want to interfere in the affair at the time until Zoya practically forced him to. Here he suddenly gets concerned about his childhood friend and goes with her on the night of his own wedding? To me it is undigestable.
Anyway, as I said, since I don't watch the show regularly and only do so while flipping channels during ad breaks of NBT (which to me is a far superior show, both in content and in terms of excellent acting by the entire cast) I may be wrong, but I don't really feel for Azad. He is paying the price of his folly. While I feel Zoya has been affected the most for no fault of hers, since I don't like the actress, she fails to trigger any pangs of agony in me.
By the way, if you are following NBT, do watch yesterday's episode. Kunal has done a phenominal job in it.
Am following NBT ... not faithfully, but fairly regularly again. Agree with you - Kunal was very good!!! Didn't much care for the public gathering instantaneously to heckle Mohan though ... cinematic liberty!
DeleteI get what you say about Zoya ... she has failed to make me connect to her, so I don't feel her pain. But for those who have connected, I think Surbhi has improved tremendously as an actress over the last few months and of course the PH is very good at crafting these strongly emotional scenes to wring the emotions of the viewers. I'm actually quite glad I can watch QH very dispassionately ... I don't really connect to the show except to see the parallels to the IPK story. Now that Asad is probably going to marry Tanveer, from latest reports, it is lapsing into Ekta-style cliches, and I can let go happily. Gul did learn a lesson from IPK - the chemistry never overtook the story-telling, and she didn't drag tracks for too long. From what I can see, they have reached 18 months of IPK journey in less than nine months in QH. I think if she makes more shows, she should stick to the QH pace. Unless she gets a phenomenon like Arnav-Khushi / Barun/Sanaya pairing again, of course!
Opti, Dia,
DeleteI think it is applicable to all of us. Unless we follow a show completely, we cannot connect to it.
I cannot connect to NBT for the reason that I ask one question repeatedly- what does Addu want?
Isn't it enough that he stole the happiness of his mother, sister and step dad for how many ever years.... and where was he all this while? Waiting for Mohan Bhatnagar to resurface, so that he can take revenge? Why didn't he ever check on his mom and sis? And why didn't Mohan ever check on his wife and kid? And what makes Beera deserving of Nanhi after he decided on vengeance in spite of seeing her broken family, earning her goodwill and trust and then deciding to dump her for his dadda who is a kidnapper (at least, that is how I understood it...Did Beera think his grandpa was right all along- Nanhi and Mohan were wrong in exposing him-, so he needed the revenge?) I am sure I would find the answers if I followed the show. I missed out on Kunal's performance- he is the only actor I like on the show- hope to catch up on the weekend.
QH:
Asad was not proved wrong- Zoya was...she tried to come up with proof, and every time it backfired. And Tanveer got to Asad with her sob story before Zoya could...so his judgement is clouded...he thinks Zoya is jealous of Tanveer and has made a huge error in judging his childhood friend...I agree, he is blind to some minor clues...but I think they cover that with his judgemental attitude on Zoya- which she deserves too.
Zoya did some pretty stupid things - the fact is, she was played by Tanveer- but Asad cannot forget the fact that his house would have burned up, if Tanveer had not smelled the gas...many such instances...believe me, you wouldn't want to know the back up story since you are not even interested in QH.Convoluted, but it is Gul's show, yaar- MU has to build up. LOL. I find it interesting- the twisted, dragged plots- most of th etimes, at least.(Dia, please don't say Gul has not dragged QH...ufff....IPK was lighter...we didn't have to endure a Raziya and Badi Bi and a Tanveer. Shyam was a feather compared to Tanveer- he was barely there! LOL)
His mom and sis supported Zoya- all his mom said was that Zoya was right in suspecting Tanveer, since she hid so many things...she never said Zoya was right- just asked him to understand why she was suspicious...Asad is the only one who knows why Tanver hid so many things- it was for fear of Jammy's and Khala's safety- she did not want to burden them, yet had nowhere to go...the script is pretty tight (will not say watertight), if you are following the story.
On his cousin being raped: He was there for her wedding...and he did not know about the rape thing until Zoya told him much later, when they were on the run...and when she came to take refuge, he arranged for a safe place for her. With Tanveer, it was different- her abduction happened before his eyes...he could not have looked the other way and driven away...of course, he could have used the mobile to let Zoya know...too bad he thought he was superman.
Dia,
Delete18 months of IPK journey in <9 mo of QH: even I thought like that at first...in 18 months, Arhi had had 2 consummation scenes,plus the SR scene- and a very strong love story....Khushi had almost lost ASR...Asad and Zoya don't have that, though Asad has had two ambulance moments. The tadap song and his confession prior to that reminded me of ASR's garden confession...so may be comparable.. and yes, the pace is better, because there is more than one love story.
On Asad and Tanveer marriage- if Gul knows what is good for her, it will remain a rumour. Bachha, or no bachha- I don't care....Tanveer cannot use pregnancy angle to trap him, because that is the very thing she is trying to hide from the world..if she decides to announce it now...she has to get talaq from her first husband, and even then, apparently a woman cannot marry while she is pregnant by Islam law.
Ekta style or not...I really wish they'd wind up the show in 18 months, before the decay starts...from what I have read, Karan says he wants the show to run for 5 years! I hope he was joking. 5 years! Has to be a joke.
Speaking of Ekta, I am loving the way she has made Jodha Akbar. Akbar is so negative right now- in contrast to the movie- but they have highlighted his rawness- nice.
Barun- Sanaya pairing: I don't think Gul will ever go back to running a show on chemistry, considering QH has given her more than IPK did...though I still don't understand why, since I like both the shows.
Su,
DeleteI'll try to answer the questions you have posed:
Isn't it enough that he stole the happiness of his mother, sister and step dad for how many ever years....
My reply: Addu does not know that the three had suffered in his absence. He was tucked away in Jhansi by Dadaji and resurfaced only after he was called on duty by Dadaji to take care of the troublesome Mohan. When he returned he saw Mohan catching hold of a tripping Megha (that was their first meeting after 12 years). He presumed everything was hunky dory between the two of them. He sees Rhimjim and presumes she is their kid. He sees Nanhi happy with her spiderman. He has not seen her during the period she was giving a hard time to her spiderman.
Dadaji also seems to have poisoned the guy since young and fed his anger and hatred for Mohan. The guy is currently pure evil. All sense of reason has left him.
and where was he all this while? Waiting for Mohan Bhatnagar to resurface, so that he can take revenge?
My reply: They have not yet narrated Addu's side of the story in full. From the little they have shown it looks that the hatred he had for Mohan has only grown over the years. I don't think he was aware that Mohan had left Indore in search of him. He thought he was in the city with his family, making merry when he was missing. He seems to have waited for an opportune to strike.
Why didn't he ever check on his mom and sis?
He hated Mohan so much that he cut off from his mom and sis because he felt they loved Mohan more than they loved him.
And why didn't Mohan ever check on his wife and kid?
My reply: Mohan had left Megha and Nanhi in her in-laws place where he knew they would be taken care off. He did not disappear without informing. He told Megha that he will return only with Addu as he cannot bear to see her unhappiness. Megha felt guilty for Addu's loss and for a long time felt that she wasn't a good mother because she remarried. So she let Mohan go.
And what makes Beera deserving of Nanhi after he decided on vengeance in spite of seeing her broken family, earning her goodwill and trust and then deciding to dump her for his dadda who is a kidnapper (at least, that is how I understood it...
My reply: Who said he is deserving of Nanhi? He himself is wallowing in guilt for what he thought of doing. As to seeing her broken family, it was Beera who was responsible for uniting her family. He made Nanhi and Megha see Mohan in a different perspective which led to their acceptance of him. He gave vital clues which led them to Munna and Addu. He may have done all these with an ulterior motive but he did benefit the family.
Did Beera think his grandpa was right all along- Nanhi and Mohan were wrong in exposing him-, so he needed the revenge?)
My reply: Yes, Beera has blind trust in his grandpa and does not know his real character. He thinks that Mohan and Nanhi have a huge misunderstanding regarding dadaji.
I sure I would find the answers if I followed the show.
My reply: I've given you the answers without you bothering to follow the show. Since the show is crispy written, it is easier to give the answers.
I missed out on Kunal's performance- he is the only actor I like on the show- hope to catch up on the weekend.
My reply: I would rate Kunal even higher than Barun in terms of acting. I wasn't too impressed with Kunal's looks but he bowled me over with his stupendous expressions and excellent dialogue delivery. His looks have also improved over the months or maybe his looks has grown on me.
Barun's expressions were very good but his dialogue delivery was found wanting most of the times because he mostly mumbled the lines.
By the way, the primary reason why I could not warm up to a show like QH is the actual and implied infidelity of most of the main characters. Razia's evilness makes it even more repulsive. There is so much negativity in the show it is really hard to put up with. I must have watched the show faithfully for about two months or so but that was about how much I could take of it.
DeleteOpti,
DeleteAgain, this shows the difference in our expectations as viewers.
1. Addu will turn positive some time or the other, probably after Mohan nearly dies for him or something, followed by a slap and disowning lecture from his mom. But the point is, he plotted to kill the man who gave his mother a second life- would have succeeded, if not for Beera. That is NEGATIVITY for me, that too, from a probable positive character. I can take any amount of evil from negative characters, but not from a positive character. And I hate it when the plot starts taking advantage of a weak, positive character- would have hated it if Anjali stood up and asked ASR to choose between his wife and his sister. Addu is Megha’s son- I feel bad that the innocence of a child has been twisted so much- enough to make him a murderer.
2. Mohan leaving Megha with her in- laws: This is the woman who was weak enough to attempt suicide- for HIS wellbeing- he did not think about checking on her even once? What if her in- laws had passed away? And being her husband, he is primarily responsible for Megha- not her in- laws… I can never accept it that a husband, whatever his situation might be, would stay away from his family, because of HIS GUILT- I call that selfish- or did he not have enough FAITH in Megha’s love, that they could face this together? Or was that all their love was about?- it couldn’t stand this test of faith and acceptance? After all they had been through together…
A couple losing a child like that…for me, there is only one way forward…support each other for the sake of themselves and the surviving child and pick up the pieces and move forward….instead, Mohan leaves Megha and even when he comes back years later, he doesn’t bother to look her up- leaves it to fate to get them to meet- and the whole mistaking him to have remarried- an unnecessary MU again, for a couple that has seen so many ups and downs.
3. Beera: Precisely- you have written the very same reason why I feel the script has taken liberties- this is exactly what RK did to Madhu…love games- not my pet track. Here is a man who has been with her in her sukh and dukh- saved her father, found her little brother- enough for an everlasting love story- and he decides to ditch her after all that! Makes no sense to me. If all this had happened minus the father and the brother- OK. I would have called him pure evil then. Now he is confused and senseless.
What if ASR had led Khushi into a trap after the terrace, acted nice to her, taken care of her Baabuji and her family and married her with the blessings of her family, only to ill treat her- would have killed the character for me- I guess would have been still plausible for you , since you are not averse to the idea. For me, this kind of trapping is equivalent to RAPING a woman- making a mockery of her belief and trust. I appreciate it when the hatred is out there in the open and she is given a choice- at least the choice is in her hands.
Yes, if I take NBT as a first edition, and not a part2 I could be convinced about points one and two, not knowing all their back story, but this love revenge really puts me off, when two people have done so much for each other…even if it is just humanitarian consideration- I would expect people with such high values to have integrity throughout.
4. I am not convinced about the crispiness of the script- but I think I do follow more of NBT than you have followed QH- so it is easier for me to relate.
Addu did plant that torn photo of his- to create more MUs between Megha and Mohan- I got the feeling he knows the couple was just getting together- why would he do that otherwise? If he thinks Megha and Mohan have been together all their life, he should assume that Mohan has been relentlessly looking for him all these years, and Megha knows that- therefore, a torn photo in the waste basket at that particular point wouldn’t make much difference-I could be wrong.
5. I really liked the dialogue Addu said about how he won, and both Dadda and Mohan lost- that was neat.
6. It is not about Barun and Kunal. Between Sanaya and Surbhi, I wouldn’t choose- both are dear to me, same as QH and IPK. But between Barun and KSG- I will not hesitate any more- KSG gave me the ASR I found lacking in the Anjali scenes- he is an all rounder- far better in fight scenes and dance sequences, and I am really impressed with him.
DeleteI will not say QH is better than NBT or vice versa- I think both have their inconsistencies. So does CC. We are all blind to those in our favorite shows- fair enough.
Infidelity is very much a part of life- I don't mind seeing it highlighted in a show. Veera has more of it than QH, I felt.
Raziya, Tanveer, Shyam- all jokers. I love the sense of humour of the PH.
Su,
DeleteI don't know if you watched season 1 in full. In season 1 Addu always had a problem with Mohan. He was always shown as wilful and stubborn. Mohan himself was young and immature and couldn't understand the extent of resentment the boy harboured for him. Wounds, real and imagined, at that age can change any person and here we don't know what Addu would have turned out to be had Mohan not entered their lives. He was always shown to be quite manipulative even at that young age. Addu was too young to be classified as positive or negative in season 1 but they had shown his strong resentment towards Mohan.
The CVs then cleverly built their story on this premise in Season 2. When one does not have the support of a family, the negative traits get reinforced and that is what happened to Addu. I personally know what it is to have a step parent but I had loving grandparents who more than made up for my discomfort and resentment. Addu did not. I find the story very believable and relatable and I am not alone in it.
Why is it that you don't read my reply fully? He stayed away not because of his guilt but his promise to get back Addu. Megha did not stop him from leaving because she too believed Mohan was in some way responsible for Addu's disappearance as Addu could not accept him as his father. She too felt that she was obliged to be the grieving mother rather than the grieving wife. The guilt cut both ways. Megha was not ready to accept Mohan. In fact when she met him, she presumed he had her son and when she realised he didn't, she moved away. It was Beera who got her to see how much Mohan had suffered.
As to not taking care of his family, Mohan was sending money every month for the maintenance of his family. It was Megha who refused to touch it and at one point wanted to close the account.
If the story was about a normal couple who have a biological child what you say may be true because they would know that the child's loss affects both of them equally but this relationship was unequal to start with. Mohan was an eligible bachelor whereas Megha was a widow with two kids. It had taken a lot of self struggle to overcome her inhibitions and admit she loved Mohan and married him.
DeleteA remarriage does not only involve the concerned couple but also the children from the previous marriage. Nanhi's reaction to Mohan was very different from Addu's. While one accepted him whole heartedly, the other resented his intrusion into their lives. In such a situation if the boy goes missing and the girl accuses him of treating him badly and driving him away, any guy will have self doubt. Any mother will have anger and guilt, making her shy away from the relationship which has caused her son to go away from her. That is why I feel this story stands out. It shows extra-ordinary circumstances which push people who love each other away from each other. It is not always ONS and love triangles which come in the way for happy marriages.
As to the MU, Guru, Mohan's manservant himself told Megha that Mohan remarried. Guru is a trusted person. So why would she question his words? Unlike most shows who would have capitalised on such MUs and dragged it for weeks, here they finished it off in a couple of episodes. Goes to show why this show stands out.
Again when did I say Beera was pure evil? He is confused. As to the parallel with RK, it ends with the plotting. The guy couldn't carry it through. RK did, which makes RK more heartless. But then if you don't like prem games why were you so pleased when the unwedding track started? I distinctly remember you saying that the show has finally become interesting while most of us were upset that RK's character was massacred.
Who is taking love-revenge? Beera wasn't in season 1 and Addu's is not love-revenge. It is pure revenge of mind scarred since childhood.
As to the torn photo, he planted it not to create more MU but MU per se. Why would Addu presume that they were hunting for him all these years? He presumes the exact opposite. He feels that they were all happily leading their lives without him and he wanted to check her reaction to the torn photo to see whether he still matters to her. He feels that even if his mother loved him she loves Mohan more and if made to chose between the two she will choose Mohan.
The current track is going to unravel this dilemma in Megha. Mohan has already shown where his heart lies. One now needs to see how Megha tackles this situation.
NBT has far less inconsistencies and script-wise is far better, at least to me. It is because of the story that the show has become my favourite, not the other way around.
I'm glad you follow more of NBT than I do QH. I guess NBT is more watchable for you than QH is watchable for me. I did give it a chance but sadly it didn't work for me.
The highlight of Veera is not the infidelity. Yes, Veera the child, is a product of infidelity but the focus is on the intricate relationship between Ranvi-Veera, Veera-Moti Chaiji, Veera-Ratan, Veera-Nihal, Nihal-Ratan and so on.
Yes, there is Bansuri eyeing Nihal, Kartar and Baktavar eyeing Ratan but they have restricted it to just eyeing. thankfully no ONS ore pretended ONS to damage relationships. Even Sampooran who was unfaithful met with an untimely death.
Shows like Veera and NBT run on the strength of the narration. There are no flashy and popular leads to attract viewers.
Opti,
DeleteI never said Veera highlights infidelity- just that there is more of it there- even if it is just eyeing- well,the thought is as bad as the action itself. An unfortunate ONS is acceptable for me, I excuse Sampooran- but not Basuri and Kartar and Baktavar. It has been a long time since I watched Veera- these things put me off it- esp the way they made it look comical- as if it was a joke.
NBT: NO. I don't find it very watchable- the only person I like watching is Kunal- I call it better made in comparison to MB.
Love games- I am talking about Beera and I never talked about season 1. What I said is, without Beera track, the show would have been acceptable to me, as it is now, if this was the season 1.
The issue for me is not Megha's kids from the first marriage - as far as I am concerned, this couple has had their fair share of MUs in season 1- I'd expect them to know each other much better based on those experiences...there is no point in a love story otherwise, if despite her willingness to die for him and his endless sacrifices, they still don't understand each other- precisely why I say I want QH to end in 2 years- I don't want another impossible MU and make up or a YRKKH show. I expect the couple to grow, and once they grow together, I hope there is some meaning to what all they have gone through. I don't wish to see an end result of years of separation- what I expect as a viewer.
Addu- yes pure revenge-enough to make Megha's son a murderer- perhaps you did not get my problem with the track. It is for me, when each and every other character is compromised for the sake of the lead's story- which was why I mentioned Anjali. Every other character suffers to spike up the drama quotient- what I found Ekta did with BALH- every character changes colours to suit the track- they turn negative, create some drama and then positive. Like you said, it may not drag on for long thankfully because this PH has the sense to limit their epis. This is why I mentioned Akash and Payal down there- if Gul had finished with the Arhi story, I guess she would have attacked the living props- Akash and Payal , like every other show does.
MB: On why I was excited about RK turning black- he was the Ravan who should have brought out the durga in MB - the track had a lot of potential which was unfortunately wasted when MB decided to stick around RK and get insulted. And the whole thing ended in her going for a revenge the same way he did- pulling her down to his level- disappointed me. That is why I even defended her apologising to RK- she really needed to apologise to her conscience for stooping down to his level.
NBT and Veera: Both don't appeal to me much, though I will not count them as bad shows. Definitely better than PKD or YRKKH - but I would choose BV for good narration and direction, even over QH. It does not have flashy leads either. (I don't consider Sidhharth 'hot'.)
I don't watch QH for only Asad - Zoya. I love the way Gul has dealt with Asad's relationships- with his Ammi, Ayan and Tamatar. So it is not a show based on chemistry for me- it may be for many others. And yes, the love story is the thing that attracts me, but there is a lot that keeps it going even when the leads are not around. I don't complain much even if there is only 3 or 4 min of Asad and Zoya, because the show is still pretty interesting- I think that is why QH has become more popular than IPK- even when the chemistry is supposedly not as good as IPK's. So, I consider it a well written family drama with a romantic comedy as its soul. And I really hope Gul does not murder each of those characters once the story in hand is finished. If she does, well, I have the remote.
QH: Illicit relationship/infidelity is not just confined to this ONS. There is Rashid's betrayal of Dilshad the result of which is the two families, then there is Zoya's father's two timing. Then Azaan's bro-in-law to be having the affair with white eyed girl, impregnating and ditching her, then the white eyed girl's overt and covert philandering. Apart from Dilshad the rest of the cast have so much baggage, it is hard to sit through it all. So definitely more infidelity than Veera ever showed.
DeleteAs to NBT not being very watchable for you all I can say is different strokes for different folks. We can argue on and on about love portrayed in NBT but then I guess you will never appreciate the complexities portrayed in a show like this where relationships are not just between the husband and wife but also involves the children of the previous marriage. The dynamics of it has been excellently portrayed through this entire kidnapping drama. The strength of Mohan-Megha love is being shown in the current track.
As to Addu, I don't think his character has been compromised. Season 1 showed the seeds of hatred sown in the heart of Addu who resented the presence of Mohan in their lives. Season 2 started with this as the nucleus. So Addu's hardening is central to the story. Children react very differently to remarriages. Some accept it with ease. Others resent it for life. Addu was always shown as being quite manipulative, even in season 1. Having been scarred by the kidnapping, he had turned into a hardened criminal. Dadaji made sure his resentment of his stepfather turned into full blown hatred. That is the crux of the story so I don't see any compromise of his character since we would never know how he would have turned out had Mohan not married his mom.
You may like to think of RK as the Ravan but he is the hero of the show, despite his quirky behaviour. I find him any day better with all the damage they did to his character than the gold plated Sultan who is absolutely insipid and boring.
I like BV but I wouldn't miss much even if I skip a whole week's episodes. NBT is much more decently paced and even if Veera is slow moving, Ranvi-Veera are show stealers and I simply love watching their scenes.
Fair enough. It is like preferences for books. If you like a particular style of writing, you will read it even if it is just a regular love story. I prefer QH as a love story and for the presentation and content- it is a complete package for me.So I don't really go looking for another story or a show to follow continuously. The complexities in NBT evade me, since Mohan and Megha entered into a marriage after much thought and clearing many MUs...and the children were very much there through all that. I would have preferred it if they had taken a vow to not take their relationship to the next level, than choose to stay away from each other..guess that is what I can't digest. Like I said,if it had been a random remarriage, like PV- I could have taken to this story, minus the love games.
DeleteRK is written as a Raavan- every vilainous mythological character can be justified, even Raavan , depending on the perspective- and I think he is supposed to be loved like that. He is the hero- I just find it stupid that they have placed him and Sultan with equal status behind Madhu...looks absurd, since RK and Madhu are a couple now. Even if it is to portray her caught between two brothers, Madhu and RK should be together...seldom catch up on the show since Sultan's mom came in- caught Dips looking lovely yesterday, and RK preferring to stay blind to his father's infidelity. And all the while, he accused his mother of having betrayed his dead father by remarrying- the irony of it!
Infidelity in QH: Tanveer puts off a great many people with her supposedly honed skills when it comes to attracting men- her affair with Imran was just one among many- and it was before Imran met Nikhat. Tanveer had ditched him for better prospects...can't be called infidelity on Imran's part.
Zoya's Abbu- I don't think he ever married her mom- he came back to India, was not allowed to go back, and settled down with the woman his family chose. Doesn't bother me much, since I am not very interested in him as a husband- I find the father who is going to be brought to judgement more interesting- sazaa aur jassa ka haq sirf Allah ko hai- Zoya has told him without knowing his identity- I think that is what QH is about- the Almighty will make sure judgement is delivered.
Rashid- is the only one I find who has actually committed adultery- polygamy is allowed in this religion- the way he went about it, hiding the marriage from both his wives was his mistake and his sin. I don't know whether to call it infidelity or plain betrayal. We can't accuse every Muslim man who has more than one wife of infidelity, since the particular religion allows it. He was married to one woman, fell for another, and married her too- that is how polygamy happens. A man doesn't wed all his wives at the same time- I don't approve of it, but don't mind it being presented as a DILEMMA In a show- I think the concept is interesting to many people, and the perfect backdrop for Asad's insecurities.
Su,
DeleteI don't care much for semantics. If you are not true to your loved one, it is infidelity to me, whether the person is married or not married or whether the religion allows it or not.
You have still not understood the crux of NBT. It is not as if Mohan and Megha stopped loving each other even for a minute during the 12 years they were apart. Mohan did not ditch Megha and Nanhi. He left in search of Addu whom he had promised to bring back to a grief stricken Megha. As long as he could not fulfill that promise, he could not face her. Megha was ridden with guilt because she felt she failed as a mother to notice the tension between her husband and her son. She felt by chosing to move on, she has pushed her son away. In most women, in an emotional battle between a wife and a mother within themselves, the mother always wins over. So she did not protest when Mohan told her he is leaving in search of Addu, for in her heart she did feel Mohan was responsible for Addu leaving them. The loss of Addu affected these two people differently and they were torn by it. It happens to the best of couples and here the couple were hardly married for a couple of years and the child in question biologically belonged to only one of them.
Yes, Mohan knew he was marrying a widow and their love had gone through a lot during season 1 but all the trials involved the two of them, whether it was the Riddhima case or Megha's paralysis. The children were not central to those trials. But all along they kept live the brewing tension between Mohan and Addu. Mohan was young and immature. He suddenly had to handle being the father to a stubborn, wilful and resentful kid. He had no problems with Nanhi because his bond with her was established even before his bond with Megha. Now Addu who was the apple of the eye for these two ladies felt threatened by Mohan's presence and his importance in their lives. Addu did not understand Mohan and Mohan did not understand Addu. Things escalated and the kidnapping only made things worse.
If you notice Mohan's behaviour towards Addu, it shows how much he has matured over the years. He takes everything lying down because he understands Addu and his hatred. He waits patiently in prison in the hope that Addu will turn back into Megha's Addu before he can identify him to her. Now that is the depth of love for me and by extension, love for his woman and love for her son. Megha too has sufficiently grown over the years. While earlier she wasn't sure whether Mohan loved her son as much as he loved her and Nanhi, she is confident that Mohan always has the best interest of all of them. She has reciprocated by taking into her heart the kid Mohan raised.
What I found good about this story is that it portrays love in all its ramifications. It is not merely the love between the couple in question but also the love between the mother and her children and more importantly the step father and his children. It is love story which has evolved and matured over the years like the wine.
I find it ridiculous that you are comparing RK to Ravan. Who said RK has been written as Ravan? I don't remember to have read any article to that effect. Ravan is a character who lusted for another man's wife and kidnapped her against her will. RK never lusted for any married woman. In fact it was Dips, his ex-girl friend cum sister-in-law who was lusting for him. He has always been true to the woman he was with, whether it was Dips or now with Madhu. He hasn't cheated on them,even in his thoughts. He may be many things but he is definitely not a philanderer. Considering he is in an industry where temptations are galore, it is remarkable that he maintains his loyalty.
DeleteI don't find anything wrong with that montage because the current track is about the battle between RK and Sultan over the sibling status. Madhu's dilemma in this is highlighted by placing her between the two of them. Why would RK and Madhu be put together when the track is about the tussle between the two brothers? While I personally do not like this ridiculous track, I don't find anything absurb in the montage because the focus in on the sibling rivalry.
Opti,
DeleteOK.Hmm...
You are finding me ridiculous now...I think that happens in an argument when you don't try to see the other person's POV. I don't find your concepts ridiculous, even if I don't agree with you.
RK as Ravan: I don't think any one has to follow the show even as loosely as me, to come to the conclusion that RK did not kidnap a married Madhu and take her to Lanka- I am talking about the concept of a dark hero. Ravan is considered by many as a dark hero, not a villain- it is a huge topic of debate- as is everything people want to make an issue of.
I guess the question is, who treated Sita better? A Raavan who kidnapped her, but loved her enough not to force himself on her; or a Ram who considered HIS duty to his country above his wife- so much so that the woman who followed him through all his travails was asked to prove her chastity and it broke her heart enough to choose to be separated from him by allowing the earth to hide her in her bosom...the end of Ramayan, as I understand it, is very sad- actually, I am seeing a parallel with Kumud in SC now- she ends up denying herself, because she can never be the perfect partner to Saras...hence she pushes her sister on to him. (In the story of Ramayana, I consider Ravan as a pure villain, but I can see that he can be perceived differently and I don't find it ridiculous.)
RK is as dark as Ravan to me- if it was not for him, she would be married to the man she fell in love with and had been engaged to...his actions have been worse than Ravan's when you consider how he tried to break her heart after winning her confidence- it is a matter of how you perceive it. You prefer to overlook the negatives, I find those traits more striking- nothing ridiculous about it.
The montage: Yes, the focus is on sibling rivalry, but Sultan is not a character who should be given equal prominence with RK...may be it is RK's perception of where Madhu stands.
Infidelity: I really don't mind the way it is portrayed in QH, because it is not glorified. But in Veera, though it has not been glorified, it has been TRIVIALISED, from my POV, since they give it a comical touch- it is too sensitive an issue to be handled loosely like that for me.
NBT: Again, the difference in perception- where I see stagnation, you see fermentation.
If Mohan did not desert Megha...which he did not, he should have checked on her and informed her when he came back to the World of Living- that too with an adopted kid- he is still a married man, and he had already started living a parallel life, creating a family of his own- did he not think that one day he would return to Megha, and adopting a child and giving her a father's love was a decision to be taken as a family, even if it was a huge HUMANITARIAN concern? Like I said, I would have preferred it, if he had kept in touch. 12 years with no contact is equivalent to desertion for me- because it was HIS guilty conscience that kept him away...and she did accept him back without her son- so that could have happened even without the 12 years gap.
QH: Actually you made a very wise decision to not watch it. Gul will always have a Dev and Rashid, who will be forgiven if they repent in their heart... a concept many QH fans will never grasp. Majority of the QH forum has the same intolerance that Geet fans had towards Dev.
The repayment of a bad action is one equivalent to it. But if someone pardons and puts things right, his reward is with Allah… (Qur'an, 42:40)
“Say: ‘O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of God: for God forgives all sins : for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.’” (39:53)
“And it is He who accepts repentance from His servants and pardons the evil deed and knows what you do.” (42:25)
Su,
DeleteI am trying hard to see your POV but it is hard to do so when you contradict yourself so much and you do not pay attention to what I say. You argue that Ravan was better than Ram in some ways, compare RK to Ravan and in the same breath say that RK is worse than Ravan. I don't prefer to overlook the negatives. In fact followers of the show, including me, were disturbed by RK's massacre by the unwedding drama particularly after they gave us a shrewd hero who could connect the dots for the first time on T.V. After that I started watching the show more for the drama bit rather than get attached to the characters or defending their actions. VD made RK interesting to watch.
Although the post-unwedding track was quite illogical to me, I liked that they showed RK suffer and burn in jealousy for what he did. Yes, he behaved abominably after the entry of Sultan. I've written enough against him in IF where I discuss the show but as I see a pattern here by the CVs of painting RK and all main characters black in order show Sultan as the gold plated gangster, in time I've grown fiercely supportive of RK and I liked that they made him apologise in public and admit he was wrong (a big change for an egomaniac like RK). If RK had slept with Dips or any other girl I would have quit the show.
As far as forgiveness is concerned, I think we have had enough discussion on the subject in the past too where I even posted the link to my post in IF where I was supportive of the idea of Geet forgiving Dev but then the way they went about showing it left many disgusted. Unless you are a loyal viewer of the show, you cannot appreciate why many (if not all) of us were disgusted with it. Dev was not shown to repent enough to warrant such absolution and to have Maaneet actively playing cupid for him and Geet's sister was a little too much to digest.
I loved the way they showed repentance and forgiveness in Gulaal and are showing Nihal's repentance in Veera. As to belittling infidelity in Veera, I think you are focusing only on the comic parts. The show treats infidelity with all seriousness going by how Ranvi becomes the anokhi maa of Veera who could not find acceptance by Ratan even after all these years because she reminds her of her husband's infidelity and now his death. Kartar's impure thoughts are condemned not only by his wife but also Moti chaiji. Considering that even thoughts are being chastised, I don't see how the CVs are belittling infidelity.
As to Megha accepting Mohan without the kid, she did not readily accept Mohan. She even accused him of breaking his promise and giving her hope by appearing without her son. I wouldn't blame her because she was thinking as a mother and not as a wife. It was because of Beera that she started seeing his point of view.
As to Mohan leading a parallel life with the little girl wihout consulting his wife, again you have not understood the conditions when he left the house. Nanhi accused him openly of being responsible for Addu's disappearance as he was treating him as a step son. Megha was mired in her own guilt for failing as a mother and was also silently accusing him. He couldn't tell them how manipulative Addu was without hurting them both. The only solution he saw for this impasse was to find Addu. He tried desperately to find him and reunite with his family but then over three years had passed and there was still no sign of Addu despite his best efforts. He had gone into a deep depression and drowned himself in alchohol, practically destroying himself.
DeleteIt is during this dark hour that he got Rhimjhim who was orphaned. She gave him a purpose to live. He wasn't expecting to reunite with his family as by then he had given up on finding Addu. Did he stop loving Megha? No he did not. Did he ditch Megha. No, he did not. He was sending money regularly to take care of the financial needs of his family but he felt that the two women he loved the most detested his presence in their lives which they did because their grief at losing their brother/son overshadowed their love for him.
It is only when he saw the news report about the missing children from Indore station that he realised Addu was kidnapped and did not really run away. It is then that he renewed his search for him and returned to Indore. Even then he wanted to meet Megha only after he got her son for her but chanced on her before that.
As I said, this is a complex love story where it is not only the love between the couple which is highlighted but how that love is subjected to the trials thrown by the love for the kid.
I guess I'll stop explaining the show, with this post because you will still not change your opinion of the show. We are two strongly opinionated people with diametrically opposite views so I guess we can continue watching the shows we do without having to justify it to the other.
Opti,
DeleteI took some time to process why I disagree with you so much about Veera and NBT, considering we share similar views about BV and DABH.
Veera:
This is not the first time I have expressed my dissatisfaction over Ratan. I was put off with her character, quite early on in the show itself. I stated watching it for Veera and her anokhi maa and when they started telling the story of the anokhi maa’s maa, I couldn’t identify with the character.
Apart from the fact that she went into a long period of mourning and depression, which was probably appropriate for her situation, I couldn’t digest the fact that she’d leave Veera at an orphanage (or something of the sort) after mentally forgiving and yearning for Sampooran to come back...whatever her reasons were. I would think that a woman would react as a mother in a situation where an orphaned child is left at her doorstep, and considering the joy Veera brought her own son, I would have expected her to find it easier to accept this girl, at least for her son’s sake, with an open heart.
Now, I can find a parallel to this story in Dilshad- she was also faced with her husband’s infidelity, when Rashid came home with Ayan and asked her to accept him with the kid. Agreed, she had a long period of mourning prior to that when he left her, but I think even if Shireen had appeared at her door step one fine day with Ayan and died telling her the tale of her husband’s infidelity, the story of QH would not have changed much. Asad became the anokhi maa for Ayan- the strong sibling bond they showed in a few scenes was a delight to watch. And Dilshad never took direct care of Ayan, considering she was pregnant too, but she looked on lovingly at Asad taking care of the younger kid. She appreciated the special bond between the brothers, as did Najma later on. This was again brought out beautifully in the nikah sequence, where Dilshad graciously let Shireen’s kids accompany Asad to the venue, respecting the bond between the children. Now, to me, this is how this situation has to be dealt with- I find it very mature. That doesn’t mean every character has to be mature like Dilshad, and I do sympathise with any woman who has to go through a situation like that. My concern for Ratan stops with pitying her, because I cannot watch a story that depicts the trials of a woman who cannot move on. (I hope you understand now what I mean when I say there is a lot to QH beyond the chemistry, even if you will always find the infidelity quotient too jarring.)
Same goes with NBT too- there might be a million excuses for a couple separated for 12 years, but if I knew a couple like this in real life, I would say that they wasted 12 years of precious life in their silence- na bole tum na maine kuchh kaha. If all this had happened within 1 or 2 years of losing Addu, I could have identified with this couple. It is as simple as that. Mohan, Megha and Ratan are not heroes for me. And considering both the shows are dramas, I guess it is upto each of us to pick and choose what we can excuse and not.
I find BV to be very practical and almost perfectly made- it is the highest standard in the drama genre in current television. I don't think they can achieve more perfection with a daily show.
RK: I don’t get why you found me to be contradicting myself. All I said was, RK is written as villainous as Ravan considering how he broke Madhu’s marriage with a man she was in love with...and went on to betray her trust...Then I tried to tell you that Ravan is not a character to be despised, since there are different ways to reading a character. I read RK like that- I don’t find him a hero for the way he has treated Madhu, but I don’t hate him either.
DeleteSultan: I am agreeing with you by and large, here. Believe me, I am least interested in his quest to get his mother justice. I am with Radhaji in this- what is the point in bestowing her honour back, after murdering the image of a man long dead. Does she really want to be called the first wife of a man who had no morals? I guess the address of a man matters a lot to a woman, so he considers it his duty to give her that.
If RK’s dad married Radhaji without divorcing his first wife, I think RK will turn out to be a child born out of the wedlock. I keep following up MB once in a while to know how and when Madhu’s acting career starts.
I thought about why I like Veera, DABH, BV and MB, four shows which are so diverse from each other and then realised it is because of one man - Raghuvir Shekawat, the dialogue writer for all four shows. I did not even know that the man wrote for all these shows when I started watching them but I guess the compelling and strong dialogues make each of these shows appealing to me.
DeleteOpti,
DeleteThat is an interesting find.
I watch MB mostly for the dialogues- especialy, Dipali's SPICY dialogues... that recent one- 'duniya bhar ke saason ke naam roshan kar dijiye'- blackmailing Radhaji to go against Madhu- totally cracked me up!
BV: The dialogues have not been so memorable for me- I watch it for the smooth storytelling. I guess a large part of it is the dialogues, but I don't remember really taking particular note of any one dialogue. Though I do remember loving a poem that Ganga wrote...
Veera: The kid's dialogues are cute- I guess it is also the cute concept there.
DABH: I guess I haven't watched it that much to comment on the dialogues- I really appreciate the concept- plus I like that actress playing Meena Beendhni. She is so different in real life, yet fits in to the character so well.
On the whole, I agree. Dialogues make a lot of difference while watching a show- something I miss in CC. Their one liners are good, but the rest could improve.
After many days, Veera reeled me back in today ... the flashback scenes were powerful and very well done. What a pleasure it is watching good actors on screen. Impressed with Kapil Nirmal for the way he portrayed such a different personality pre the Sampooran tragedy. And very impressed with the team again, for a well thought out, well crafted flashback track ... again all the loops painstakingly and carefully closing off one by one ...
ReplyDeleteI thought Nihal had already said that he had seen the documentary earlier during the village screening ... Chaiji didn't remember? Or was she not there?
That is what I love about the show. The excellent cast, strong script, flowing screenplay,attention to details and meticulous closing of loops opened montns back. The shows I have noticed which close loops are also ones which do well like BV, DABH and Veera. There are no scenes which are merely fillers even if they appear to be so in the first instance. The CVs invariably revesit them at some point.
DeleteI too loved the contrast in Nihal's personality. Sampooran's death has shaken the guy enough to turn a talkative, carefree, irresponsible guy has turned into this serious, silent and highly responsible man.
Chaiji did remark about the documentary, remebering how he knew what was in it, when he started telling her about it.
Given Ratan's nature, I doubt whether Ratan will be able to forgive the guy, even if the death was caused accidentally, considering that she still has a hard time loving Veera even if she realises Veera is an innocent child. She should remember that if Ranvi is alive today it is because of Nihal.
So it was an accident. Having to accept her husband's infidelity Vs the genuine mistake of a man who made her a widow... I guess the latter'd be easier, considering the first mishap led to the second one.
DeleteIPKKND rerun on LifeOK ... the promos are airing on Star Plus as well as LifeOK.
ReplyDeleteThe dubbed English version is quite bad ... Khushi's voice!!! It completely loses the essence of Khushi.
But a proud moment for IPK fandom ... a re-run of the show on SP's sister channel for all the foreign audiences ... shows the immense popularity the show had worldwide. Wonder if the powers-that-be on SP ever wonder if calling off the show at four days notice was a huge mistake? It would have dipped for a while, but it would have picked up again if the new pairing had caught on ... and seeing the way Sanaya's pairing with Anuj is taking off, am sure Sanaya-Viraf would have worked if the PH had concentrated on the show again and given a good story.
Ah well ... IPK left us with so many 'What If's' ... which will never be answered.
Iss pyar ko kya naam doon? - a love story.
DeleteI know we don't agree. I still wonder what had happened to Gul's brains when she decided to run the show without ASR...why didn't she think of taking a break and doing a new show with the same cast after 2 months? Would we be watching these IPK VMs still, if ASR had died?
I would have preferred if they had not killed the character ASR but replaced Barun with Viraf in that role, that is if they had a solid story to continue the show. Otherwise I have no qualms that they wound up the show but it could have been given a proper end after closing all existing loop holes. With the two months notice that Barun gave them, they could have concentrated on this ratehr than introduce insane tracks like the sheetal track and the beauty pageant track. Ideal would have been for them to take a short leap of a couple of years and show Arshi with their new born as their closing scene as they did in Geet.
DeleteI am all for widow remarriage. In fact Geet lured me because of the heroine's decision to move on with her life as does Megha in NBT but IPK was not the show for it. The show was about Arshi and it should have stayed that way with or without Barun.
I think we have to put all the cards on the table. The decision to go on without Barun was not the PH’s- it was the channel’s. The PH and the entire cast agreed to it. I think till the very end talks were going on, so they all had some hope of getting Barun back- loops were left open, in case he would agree to return in few weeks. Once that hope was lost, there was no point completing a love story which was about to be buried- they concentrated on the exit track.
DeletePersonally, I don’t mind if some loops are left open so that they can be revisited at a later date- so long as the CVs don’t go about murdering the characters one by one systematically. If IPK had gone on, would we have seen Akash fighting for his share, and Payal getting jealous of Khushi’s happiness- if that was to happen, I am glad it ended where it did.
Gul made a colossal mistake- she should have just shut the show and worked towards that- but they had to think about the rest of the cast and crew- and like San said, to put all those people through suffering, for the sake of one man- and that too just about a show- priorities are different for different people- they tried to do their best.
I agree with you, Opti- Viraf taking over as ASR would have been a better option. Barun fans would have just shut up, since the decision to leave was entirely his...
Frankly, there was no easy way out of this...it was an epic..it had to have a most unusual, epic ending.
Su,
DeleteGul and her team have a history of leaving gaping loops. They had innumerable senseless tracks in Geet but did not begin closing the loops knowing that the show was marking time. So I don't believe that they kept the loops open so that they could be closed later. They transformed Maan's and Geet's character and made them unrecognisable from what they were much like they did to Arnav and Khushi in IPK. I am happy they wound up before Arshi became too pale to be recognised. I was a staunch supporter of Gul during Geet days and blamed the channel but the pattern is too similar to ignore.PH and the channel both ruined it for the viewers and fans just did them the favour by demanding the end. It is really sad that the show went in such a whimper after all the attention it got.
The only thing I appreciate in Gul and her team is the magic they brought to Maaneet and Arshi and the actors fully justified their roles. I don't feel the same pull with Asya. Perhaps the melodrama and negativity surrounding the rest of the cast over powered it for me.
Opti,
DeleteI did not find Arnav and khushi growing paler- I just saw them growing- at least ASR grew a lot, next was Khushi's turn...but beyond that, like you said, if Maaneet turned pale Arhi might have too- I will wait and see what Gul does to QH, since she has no interference to blame this time around- so far she has not disappointed me. I hope she has the sense to wind up QH when the story has been told and she starts for the next project.
sar utha ke maine to kitni khwahishen ki thi
ReplyDeletekitne khwaab dekhe the kitni koshishen ki thi
jab tu rubaru aaya...
jab tu rubaru aaya nazarein na mila paya
sar jhuka ke ek pal mein...
sar jhuka ke ek pal mein mene kya nahi paya
with my head held high i had asked for so many things
had seen so many dreams, had tried so hard..
(but) when you appeared in front me,
with your presence, i could not meet your eyes
bowing my head, in a moment..
bowing my head, in a moment what did i not achieve..
Asad bows his head down in front of Almighty, asking for only one thing- Zoya.
“Main nahi jaanta mohabbat kisse kehte hai, lekin zaroor itna jaanta hoon ki Zinda rehna kisse kehte hai. Aur jabse Zoya gayi hai, meri saasein toh chal rahi hai, par main zinda nahi hoon. Aaj tere darwaze par apni zindagi waapas maangne aaya hoon- Zoya ko waapas maangne aaya hoon…..”
He has no doubts about it- he has committed a crime against her, but he cannot live without her…if she has not been written into his fate, he pleads with the Almighty to change his destiny.
He approaches her with the hope that she can find it in her heart to forgive him, take him back…There is no ego now- only broken hearts- confessing his love in words, comes so very easily now.
But Zoya is still lost. Where once she could read his thoughts and feelings without being expressed, now words seem empty. How can she ever trust him again? All she can remember is the cruelty of his betrayal.
One last attempt from Asad- another plea- “Please…”
It breaks her heart, but she walks away. He waits for her to turn back at least once- she doesn’t, and the finality of her decision strikes him down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rdVpIFiVLsY
ReplyDeletethis vm made me laugh..
and cry..
so much.
must see. till the end. i am in a no tv-low internet zone, so no comments on recent shows. miss you girls a lot.have fun!
The VM was damn cute ... but honestly, this crazy Khushi is not my favorite Khushi. The guest house tigress, the character dheela Khushi, the one who fights back and blasts Arnav for his wrongdoings, regardless of his aukat vs her own - that is the Khushi I loved.
DeleteHave fun, Jaya!
Is anybody watching Indian Idol Junior at all? I am loving the show ... the kids are amazing singers, the judges are very sweet and encouraging, and so are all the celebrity guests, it is really nice to watch. Also, most of the songs the kids have been singing are the older ones ... so melodious and such beautiful lyrics!
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DeleteI catch up during the weekdays reruns.
I love Shreya, the kids are amazing too.
Among the dance reality shows, I like Supermoms the most.
Jodha Akbar: Looking really good. Anyone else watching this?
ReplyDeleteYes, I am. Its pretty good to watch.
DeleteSu, it seems we have the same liking when it comes to serials. Isn't it? :))
Good!
DeleteYes, we seem to have similar tastes...:D
QH: I can't stop drooling over KSG's expresions...the look on his face when Tanver says 'hum dono' and he repeats after her 'hum dono?'- confusion spreading to slow realisation...this guy is very good!
And the precap: When he leads Zoya away to tell her about the nasty surprise- the look of shock and numbness on his face- PERFECT!
Hats off to Gul's team for this detailing and depth in each and every scene! I just can't stop admiring this actor.
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3664248
:Some symbolisms and predictions.
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3665965
DeleteA father- son scene to watch out for...