Veera
Monday 21st Jan - Ranvi's teacher is impressed with Veera and predicts she will make her family proud. Shape of things to come?
Ratan-Nihal-Gurpreet-Kartar ... tangled relationships, the ever-present shadow of the missing Sampooran hanging over them all.
Moti Chaiji tells Ratan she can understand Veera's fears - after all, she is a mother.
Veera wants to visit Gunjan, because 'maata' has come there :) Hats off to Indian colloquialisms!
The kids were adorable again ...
Qabool Hai
Madhubala
Na Bole Tum
Punar Vivah
IPKKND ... can never stop discussing that here :)
Others
Monday 21st Jan - Ranvi's teacher is impressed with Veera and predicts she will make her family proud. Shape of things to come?
Ratan-Nihal-Gurpreet-Kartar ... tangled relationships, the ever-present shadow of the missing Sampooran hanging over them all.
Moti Chaiji tells Ratan she can understand Veera's fears - after all, she is a mother.
Veera wants to visit Gunjan, because 'maata' has come there :) Hats off to Indian colloquialisms!
The kids were adorable again ...
Qabool Hai
Madhubala
Na Bole Tum
Punar Vivah
IPKKND ... can never stop discussing that here :)
Others
Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Dograji back on TV:)
ReplyDeleteOn Punar Vivaah:(
As Parallel Lead:)
As younger illegitimate brother of Gurmeet's character:(
Bol Akshay BOL
Dialogues Milega ki Nahin???????????????????
My parents already watch PV so am familiar with the story, hmmmmm......this ought to be fun watching the show with them he he!!!
Shwethuuuuuuuu!!!! I swear, when I saw this, the first person I thought of was you!!! All your shiddats coming true ... AD ko dialogue bhi milega, milega ...
DeleteNow do I add Punar Vivah to the list of shows under discussion? ;)
Hi, Shwetha!
DeleteLovely to see you back. I hope this means lots of action from you.
PV: is currently looking better than MB. I hope Dogra does well.
Gargi will kill me for this, the rare glimses I have caught of the behna show I was amused how initially KT was always in formals and the younger bro in casuals and later, it was ulta...atleast the couple of times I saw, ulta happened. Younger bro was wearing conservative stuff and KT was wearing cleavage showing t-shirts, i mean ewwwwwwwwww and for the same reason I somehow don't get gurmeet's same tshirts too, granted you have to show yourself macho, but yaar I think it will add to the character if he wears normal t shirts and stuff.
DeleteAnd here I shut up cos god Knows what Akash bitwa in round 2 will be wearing??? And Dia I will be bakbaking about Akash bitwa as MB is totally boring me, I ffed the whole epi, the only thing I saw was sikki, dips dance and they rocked!!!
Shwetha,
DeleteHe will be much more 'decently' dressed considering he is the driver who kidnapa Ansh- no scope for skin tight Ts- also, I suppose he will be gray initially.
Any one watching QH?
ReplyDeleteKSG is rocking. 4 Lions made yet another epic scene, burying Zoya alive- and Asad goes mad searching for her.
Good news for QH fans-The ranks of the show and the actors have gone up. Suddenly, Surbhi has reached No: 10!(I thought that'd take many more months- 2 weeks back she was ranked 40 or something.)
Su: I caught a bit of it last night, they have the PV & QH combo going and saw the scene where one guy helps them out and gives her water. Saw the scene where one minute ZOYA is concerned about ansh and phattakkkkkkk, it is back to her fluffy self.......sorry cannot find an apt word for it. And yes I KNOW, it is not fair as I just caught one scene but here I blame the writer and director for the sudden shift, not the actor. Now the younger guy.....he was errrrrrrr....below average and for a second I thought the girl he was talking to was his GF or something till she uttered bhaijaan aap humaira ko pyaar nahin kartay, she was loads better than him. Surprising cos 4 Lions used to get the casting so bloody right...everyone remembers omprakash and the table for 2 waiter, it is amazing how they have not got it right here.
DeleteShwetha,
DeleteAt times, they falter. You liked PV better? I was pretty impressed with the goons- a very COLOURFUL bunch and all good actors too!
Zoya concerned about Ansh- she is in a bad situation too- she was just trying to look brave, not fluffy. The younger guy, Ayan- terrible actor. He is getting better, I am not expecting great things from him.
http://www.rangmunch.tv/index.php/writers-gully/reflections-menu/item/2618-the-best-laid-plans-of-mice-and-men
DeleteNicely written. Just wondered, Tanthya from IF? You all would know her style better.
Shweths..gud to see ur comments.....hope AD is settling in to new routine (or old, as the case be)
Deleteur comments on MB were sorely missed...and looks like the serial is no longer worth commenting now...hehehe whats with these hreoes of urs who go on a mush drive at the drop of a hat.....just read above that Dograji is back on TV.....happy watching.....PV set up for interesting times eh?
me watching nothing only surfing once in a while...based on that alone can't make any comments...sensible or otherwise....as u can see my bak-bak has reduced considerably.....but always gud to read ur comments HUGS!!
Su: Not really, I wasn't paying much attention, it is just that I am more familiar with PV and I actually watched the PV scene so I could catch QH scene.
DeleteAs for zoya, like I said since it was the first time I saw it, the transformation seemed sudden especially since I DO not know the reason why they were running. Just saw the TRP, QH is at a very good 3.1.
Rekhs:*hugs bey* Started watching MB with interest and then it became very boring, so looks like will be watching PV, let us see what happens he he.
BG remembered you when I heard of Dogra comeback. Congratulations. Happy watching. :D
ReplyDeleteSama:hugs bey, I wonder if I am getting the same congratulatory messages as Ridhi Dogra:)
DeleteBtw, life has come to full circle. This show also has Dishank arora with whom the youngest brother with almost zero dialogues started, now let me see who wins in the least dialogues department.
IS Dishank Arora still in the show? Haven't seen him in the last few episodes (which I watched after ages!)
DeleteCompetition for least dialogues ... START!!!! :D
Of course BG .... Haq banta hai apka !! :D
Delete"now let me see who wins in the least dialogues department." ROFL !! Aaaah missed you. >:D<
Hi ladies - felt like talking to friends so here goes:
ReplyDeleteQH - have to give it to Gul - she builds her characters (lets say the main character) well - and then easily assassinates him!!
so the hero was going real strong till now - very caring of his family - has issues but no his heart is in the right place - in fact has the rare quality of holding only the guilty party to blame and hence is close to step brother /sister and cant stand his dad and so on
But this He-Man who has fought (god knows how many) goons off Zoya twice already - did not do a bit to save her now, when he knew she was saving another life??? when they were taking him off in the car - i was like - ok, so he will fight off the remaining goons in the car (there were too many in the field) and drive back to the girl - but the fool gets off - stands in the middle of the road and says - "I wont let them kill her" and RUNS back tot he place- seriously, what an idiot!! - the rapist goons could have killed her, raped her and the hero thinks of it so late??? seriously???
Was Monday a mahasangram of PV and QH again?!
DeleteMona: *Hugs* indian telly ka naya funda:
DeleteBratty hero will become mushy
Fiesty heroine will become mousy:(
"But this He-Man who has fought (god knows how many) goons off Zoya twice already - did not do a bit to save her now, when he knew she was saving another life???":
DeleteMona, I don't know how regularly you are watching QH. Let me try and explain.
The goons were not rapists. Only the groom was a rapist. And they were there to kill her, not rape- that is what honour killing is about. They don't promote rape- but they have a solution for it- marry the girl you have raped- happy ending. That is just the way the regressive people think.
"when they were taking him off in the car - i was like - ok, so he will fight off the remaining goons in the car (there were too many in the field) and drive back to the girl - but the fool gets off - stands in the middle of the road and says - "I wont let them kill her" and RUNS back tot he place"
Again, Asad made the intelligent choice. The gun was pointed at his head. They had initially planned to kill them both. It was only because of Dilavar (Uncle) Asad escaped. But he could not convince him to let Zoya go. He knows how hard core these villagers are- he had seen the news about honour killings and seen the dead body of the girl. Dilaavar even mentioned that they would've let Zoya go, if they had caught Mariam- but then Mariam would have taken Zoya's place.
It would have beeen PLAIN FOOLISH for Asad to put up a fight there and get them both killed. Zoya was unconscious and they could not even run away this time.
If Asad had tried to put up a fight against 10 goons who were all armed and got himself injured, only to watch them bury Zoya alive...I would have called him stupid.
Shwetha,
DeleteLOL.
That was good!
Agreed.
Bratty hero will become mushy- ASR and RK.
Fiesty heroine will become mousy- MB MB MB. *wink* How they killed the character!
At least Khushi was not mousy- even if she did not make sense at times.
Dia,
Monday was again Mahasangam. Tue also had a bit of Aarti- Yash for the firsty 3 minutes. Rest of it was usual.
Su - i agree, the hero made the 'smart' choice by not fighting them all but when he was in the car - there were only 2 and he is used to fighting people with guns - so couldn't understand that -
Deleteyes i get it is about honour killing and he could not fight them all - so that part was well done - its just that him not thinking of a plan was .. poor planning! :D
Shwetha - hugs - you got me on to MB and now you are missing - but seriously - the biggest negative for MB is that it is dedicated to 100 years of cinema... meaning the story is very filmy - that too of a B grade story line!
but what is amazing is the characterization - specially of the leads - so i will not agree that RK has gone mushy or MB has lost her touch - no doubt the hero is the hero here - but both characters are perfectly in character, no assassination, RK is very much RK to the rest of the world. right now the story is going really filmy and boring but even now the hero has dialogues like - hi i am RK - just introducing myself to you madam wife, for you don't seem to know me!
And MB actually got angry at her husband - no forgiving him without an apology
And i guess what i like is that the reference to the loops - when the leads talk or fight - there is reference to the past - all is not just forgotten - every time the hero says he has wronged MB and wants to make up for it, she accepts it - not say, "oh no need"
Mona,
Delete:D.
Hum bhi naa. Ultimately the discussion gets back to IPK.
IPK: By the time ASR decided to apologise to Khushi, the couple had gone through a lot. Apart from the fact that at a point in time it looked that the other person’d die, thay had come out confessing their feelings. And ASR had more than apologised for the hate marriage by 1.Taking all that trouble to bring Khushi back from GH. 2. Not allowing or even dreaming of Anjali as a factor between them. 3. Boldly defending her in front of Dadi and 4. Coming out with ILU first. After that, words were not needed. His actions had more than made up for what he had done to her. And when ASR came apologising, Khushi herself was in the seventh heaven- she had not known she was THIS important to him. So all she said was ‘humein pataa hai aap humse kitna pyar karte hain’- at that point in time she had been treated like a princess and it had just dawned on her that she was the most important person for him at THAT POINT IN TIME.
That did not mean the couple went mushy. After the remarriage, she did show anger – to mellow ASR down a bit and then she roused the ASR in him. He went back to bratty and she went back to feisty. Happens in all relationships, I feel.
MB: Yes, this couple will show some mousiness and mushiness and then they will be back in character. (The biggest disappointment for me in Madhubaala is that the character looks like a leaking glycerine tank most of the time- and she has the same boring chirpy expression every time she retorts to him. Seriously, I prefer the vamp. There seems to be more chemistry between her and VD.)
BTW, are they leaving all riches and glory in search of inner peace still? Or did that change after he apologised to her. (I actually liked that bit because I was the only one who had the problem with the agnipareeksha. That apology was very much needed there.Actually I would have loved it if she stormed out of the house and he went through a redemption track. Forced marriage OR Agnipareeksha- you can’t have both! :D)
QH: If Asad fights off the goons in the car- virtually impossible because there were two thugs holding the gun and they were extra careful considering how he had already outwitted them twice...more than that, Asad was in shock. He had just given Zoya a lengthy lecture on how things could have been sorted out in dialogue with his Dilavar mamu and here was the same guy telling he was going to marry off his daughter to her rapist- that if she had committed suicide he would have been happier- if he gets his hands on her, she will BE KILLED and how Zoya should DIE now that Mariam had escaped. Asad was numb at the picture of cold-bloodedness in front of him- he WAS SHAKEN. So he took some time to react. I don’t find character assassination there.
(And he did not even know how important Zoya was to him. A few minutes ago he had EARNESTLY told her he wished she had not come into his life. He had ACCUSED her of putting his, Yash’s Aarti’s and Ansh’s life in danger.)
Mona,
DeleteYou and I are in the same wave length as far as MB and QH goes. I too feel that the drawback of MB is the larger than life canvas but its strength is the strong characterisations of MB and RK. I too appreciate that loops are closed at appropirate moments and not kept festering. 4lion and Balaji shows are famous for their unclosed loops.
Su, as far as MB acting like a leaking glycerine tank, that has been her characterisation. It is not for nothing that Roma has nicknamed her as glycerine. She cries when she is happy, sad, in love or angry. That does not make her a weak character. She gives as good as she gets when required. I was thinking of you when MB lashed out on him for testing her after everything she had done for him. The guy looked sufficiently peeved and rightly so.
Coming to IPK I felt they had messed up after the kidnapping track. Many of us waited for the road to redemption but got a sufficiently run down apology a little too late. What really riled me up was the fact that the guy never revealed to anyone how it was he who had thrust the marriage on her. He let her take the fall, even after he knew of her innocence. The slap he gave Shyam came a little too late, after the guy had dragged Khushi's honour to dust. ASR came across as a wimp in that scene. Khushi forgave him a little too quickly.
QH is good in parts but is mostly boring for me. The story seems to be marriage centric - the heroine running away from her marriage, being rescued from a forced marriage and now helping another girl escape from her marriage. Ayaan-Humeira track is terribly boring. Can't stand both the characters and the actors. I watch the show on youtube so that I can ff the portions I'd rather not see.
Na bole tum is more gripping and as of now I would rate it after Veera which still remains my favourite.
Forgot to add my id in the earlier post
DeleteOpti,
DeleteAt least ASR gave Khushi respect in public. Right from Munh Dikhayi he made sure no one pointed a finger at her. (MM's phati saree taunt, I don't count since she had a KBT too- so that was not Khushi- centric.)
What did RK do to Madhu? He involved her in a scandal, broke her engagement, exposed Padmini- Malik relationship in an ugly way, indirectly was responsible for Malik's near death, milked the situation by forcibly marrying her, humiliated her in public with the chaar phere, continued the same on multiple occassions at that awful party and on his sets....and finally he wants her to prove her love...tooooo muuuuuchhhh!
I wonder why no one wants redemption from RK. (I am sorry if I missed it, since I have not been a regular waytcher. But that eloquent 'saat phere ka vachan where the 4 elements meet' and arranging for saasumaa's marriage and her sister's career...does not do much for me.) Is it because Madhu is glycerine- fated to cry? Why did this glycerine tanker take on a superstar in the first place? Did she have an identity crisis...took herself for a petroleum tanker?
No, I agree there are sparks in her especially in the scenes with Dipali, but there are too many inconsistencies with all the other characters. They have projected RK too much. (That actress must be good- she brings out the best in VD and DD! She really deserves an award!) :-D
Su,
DeleteAll the misdeeds you accuse RK of doing was before he fell in love with her. He was a monster and there is no doubt about that. But then ASR wasn't a saint either. Have you forgotten ASR's harrassment of Khushi before he fell in love? He risked her life on more than one occassion. He humiliated her by releasing the fashion show footage. Even after he fell in love with her he still tortured her emotionally because he could not get a grip over his own feelings. He was responsible for driving her to the reluctant engagement with Shyam after the Diwali fiasco.
After their hate marriage, he left her alone to face the wrath of both their families. He made her sleep outside for a whole month. Even after she explained how she and her family were duped, he refused to believe her (this when he was a witness to her distraught state many a times in the past). For a guy who is supposed to have a sharp mind, he never went past the terrace scene for nearly six months.
After they got back from the kidnapping, he stood still while Shyam kept spinning his yarns and only reacted right at the end with that slap. Even then he did not explain why he chose to believe Khushi over Shyam. At the first sign of trouble in Didi's paradise he did not hesitate in berating Khushi. If he had told his didi everything he knew about Shyam, there was a greater chance that she would have believed him. All he told her was that he did not love Khushi when he married her.
(cotd)
DeleteOne of the main problems with ASR is his refusal to connect the dots, especially when they were huge and visible. This is where RK scores. He is immediately able to connect the dots once he gets a whiff of something. Granted that he humiliated Madhu and her family and made a mockery of their 'marriage' but after he hit rock bottom, he has been showing progress. As to his repentance, I think actions speak louder than words. The fact that he dropped the case against Mallik and went to the extent of hiding the truth from Madhu at the risk of being misunderstood and exposing himself to the risk of being attacked again shows the extent he would go to spare his wife the pain of knowing her father tried to kill her husband.
Yes, he got swayed by Dips words and let his insecurities get the better of him. When Madhu hesitated to leave everything behind and follow him he presumed she did not love him. Considering that the woman went to great lengths to save him, it seems uncalled for but the minute he heard from Trishna that Mallik and Pads were having problems, he could immediately relate Madhu's reluctance to come with him to her own family problems and he goes out of his way to ensure that all is well with her family so that she is free to come with him. From then on he was not testing her love but doing everything, including being polite to his mom, so that she could come away with him. Initially it appeared that his talk of leaving everything behind was only to see if she is willing to accept him with nothing but he seems serious about it. He really wants to get away from all the fame and fortune and live the life of an ordinary man. He has even assigned his property to his fmaily members. It is good that Madhu was indignant at being doubted and shamed RK into admitting that he was wrong. Her stinging words made him see things more clearly and he was able to make peace with his mom after years. Once he accepted his mistake there is no looking back. He goes out of the way to defend that mom, even at the expense of being sarky with his step dad.
The writers of the show have done a great job with RK's characterisation and dialogues. He is not always right but he is never wishy washy. As to why no one wants a redemption for RK, it is because he redeems himself soon after he messes up.
Just because Madhu has overactive tear glands it does not mean she lacks courage. She has displayed it on many occassions and she gives as good as she gets. It is not for nothing RK calls her jungli blli.
As to inconsistencies in characters I think there was more inconsistencies in IPK than there is in MB. In fact I felt ASR was turned into a brainless hero after the hate marriage and his shatir dimaag only woke up towards the close of the show in the Sheetal case. The thing I don't like about the show is its loudness but then it is meant to be that way. As Mona says,very filmy.
Opti,
Delete'After they got back from the kidnapping, he stood still while Shyam kept spinning his yarns and only reacted right at the end with that slap. Even then he did not explain why he chose to believe Khushi over Shyam.':
He did not have proof, neither did she. And this was not the way it was supposed to come out to Anjali. She was not supposed to be exposed to Shyam's villainy like that- all at once. Slap gate night- he thought Khushi’d come out with some proof until he realised in the end she had no proof. And where was ASR when the confrontation happened. Right by his Di’s side- she neede him more right then. (I really think he had to be there for Anjali there. All MUs btn him and Khushi had been solved, and now it was the time to support Anjali.)
' At the first sign of trouble in Didi's paradise he did not hesitate in berating Khushi.'L
That is normal human nature. When things go wrong, you vent out at the person who is closest to you. Because Anjali was crushed, his world had crashed. It took him less than a night(few hours hardly) to redeem himself.
' If he had told his didi everything he knew about Shyam, there was a greater chance that she would have believed him. All he told her was that he did not love Khushi when he married her.': He told Anjali what he thought she needed to know. Shyam was exposed, as far as he was concerned. He had wanted to protect Anjali from this misfortune all this while, and now he was helpless. He simply thought she would take his word. It had not occurred to him that Anjali would DEMAND explanation,. And she DID NOT, openly.
'One of the main problems with ASR is his refusal to connect the dots, especially when they were huge and visible. This is where RK scores.':
DeleteThat is because RK did not believe in any of his family ties. He was not close to even his mother. He is a lone ranger- he does not have to be wary of hurting his mother or any one else when he makes a move.
The huge difference with ASR is that he had a troubled past that made him hate 'middle class' women- because of what one ‘middle class' woman had done to his family. RK had no similar experiences. He just did not respect women because of what his mother had done.
This also explains why ASR could not get past the terrace scene- it was betrayal on two counts. She seemed to love Shyam and was trying to rip apart his sister's marriage. For the next 6 months ASR tried to forget HIS love story and tried to keep his Di away from going insane. He could not reveal it to her while she was pregnant, not just because of the pregnancy, there was also this hope that Shyam might reform in those 6 months.
Absence of Shatir dimag- he did not have to go finding excuses for Khushi's actions after what he had seen and heard. He had formed an opinion and he was not going to let his heart sway his brain. Even when she explained, it is not that he refused to believe her- HE REFUSED TO BELIEVE HER WITHOUT PROOF- and he was more angry and disappointed that SHE could not bring up the proof. And the most beautiful thing about that track was, in the end, he connected the dots WITHOUT PROOF. He decided to trust her.
That shatir dimag was absent because he was mule headed- he refused to make it work. HIS DI WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HIS LOVE STORY. (Though we all wanted it the other way.) RK showed a lower IQ when he decided to put his wife through that test when she had clearly accepted him wholeheartedly in spite of all he had done to her. And by then, he had even confessed his love!
Seriously, falling for Dipali's taunt like that...if it had come BEFORE realisation and confession it would have been a wonderful track!
'Initially it appeared that his talk of leaving everything behind was only to see if she is willing to accept him with nothing but he seems serious about it.'
Initially! I pointed it out after that episode that he had his mind set on it and someone suggested ‘rhetoric’. He he...Guess I can't use 'gloatwa vey' outside IPK! :-D
'He really wants to get away from all the fame and fortune and live the life of an ordinary man.'
Where was this ascetic nature until Dipali came up with the bright idea? Ah! Dips knows her RK in and out. So much so, she even knows his desires before they start forming in his mind???
If you are watching it the way you watch QH, I do understand why you don't feel the inadequacies. We expect different things from a show. And we watch it differently.
DeletePersonally, for me, to appreciate a show I have to fall in love with the characters. It was a short stint with MB and RK and a long- lasting one with ASR, Khushi, Asad and Zoya.
When I watch IPK or QH, I am tuned in to every moment. And most of the episodes are rewatchable, and I do find something new with every rewatch. IPK- I’ll agree that the rest of the characters were neglected, they looked like living props most of the time. Retrospectively, it puzzles me. I think the writer was so taken up with the love story, he beame blind to everything else. But it was a story worth losing yourself in.
If you notice, Barun and KSG come out with interviews saying a lot of the credit goes to the way the characters are written. It is true. That is the best appreciation the creator can get for his efforts- that the actors themselves say how brilliantly they could relate to the characters. I have not found that adulation flowing from Gurmeet (PV) or Vivian.
Su, on your comment
DeleteThe huge difference with ASR is that he had a troubled past that made him hate 'middle class' women- because of what one ‘middle class' woman had done to his family. RK had no similar experiences. He just did not respect women because of what his mother had done.
Why should his past come in the way of his brain working? Yes, he was close to his sister and believed Khushi had betrayed him and his sister but then he was living with the woman for nearly six months and her goodness kept shining through. Why did he not question his belief? We did not see him struggle with the contradictions which were obvious. He even heard her heart felt confession during holi (that too in an intoxicated state when one is known to speak his/her heart) and yet he chose to ignore it.
It is another thing what he can reveal to his sister and what he cannot. He did indeed let Khushi reveal the truth even while Anjali was still pregnant. So if he was really bothered about his sister's sanity, he would not have let Khushi tell the truth. So the basic problem was he himself did not trust Khushi. Wasn't it strange he never once wondered why she kept badgering for the reason why he married her when he believed her to be having an affair with Shyam and Shyam was well aware of why he married her? Logic was absolutely missing in that track.
And as to your comment:
For the next 6 months ASR tried to forget HIS love story and tried to keep his Di away from going insane. He could not reveal it to her while she was pregnant, not just because of the pregnancy, there was also this hope that Shyam might reform in those 6 months.
Was he really trying to forget his love story? Did not seem that way. He was plain reactive during this track, not proactive, one way or other. Did he keep a close watch on Shyam to see if he was mending his ways? If anything he caught him trying to act fresh with his wife and besides giving him a stare, he did nothing. His wife had to bare the brunt of his anger. In fact through out the track he was swinging like a yo yo. As to not letting his heart swaying his brain, where the question of that when the brain in missing?
First he decides he will not trust her without prooof and then bingo he decides he will trust her without proof. And you call that beauty? I found that part to be absolutely stupid. So he had to be kidnapped to be able to connect the dots? Wait, even then he did not really connect the dots for he did not try to trap and catch Shyam. It is his luck that Shyam with his overactive brain had put cc camera in the house and was stupid enough to have explicitly marked files with the damaging tapes. Even then it was Khushi's idea to expose him that worked.
DeleteSu,
DeleteI too like to see good charactrisations and I would rank RK's characterisation better than ASR any day. IPK was engaging because of Barun and Sanaya who with their blazing chemistry took the show beyond the script. In fact I enjoy watching IPK mixes more than IPK tracks because 4 lions come up with brilliant scenes (and not brilliant tracks). I just don't like the whole QH concept so I am unable to warm up to it. But for the few Azad-Zoya scenes, I cant stand the rest of the story.
As to Barun and Karan singing praises about their characters and Gurmeet and Vivian not doing so, let me tell you that Maan was a far better character ( before they made a buffoon of him in the Amristsar track) than ASR ever was. Gurmeet never sang praises of how well the character was written. That is who he is. Vivian too does not need to talk about how well his character is written because people know it. The few people who watch the show in this very forum have all agreed that his character is better etched than ASR was.
Following this rapid fire exchange with great interest :)))
DeleteI really can't add to the discussion because I haven't watched either MB or QH for enough time to judge characterization. The few glimpses I got of RK did make me feel that they have maintained his character to quite an extent, at least in terms of acting. In terms of characterization, sorry, can't comment ... but the few scenes I saw, Vivian has maintained that combination of arrogance and attitude post marriage in his scenes with Madhu, while losing the harshness or cruelty. I haven't seen any scenes of his cruelty with MB, so don't know whether he was cruel or not ... but he's not cruel now, yet retains the attitude. Which is what I like compared to ASR post marriage ... I felt Arnav lost the ASR attitude completely, not just with Khushi, but with his entire family. So in my opinion, ASR was definitely not so well written hate marriage and post kidnap, as RK is - or Barun didn't portray the attitude as well as Vivian is doing. Could be either - there's a body language and way of talking that is the domain of the actor as well as of the director - either Barun didn't retain it, or he was told to drop it ... Vivian has retained it.
Regarding Asad, again no comments on characterization, but in terms of acting, I have to give it to KSG - I have no love at all for the guy, but as an actor, he is damn good. He does draw me in to watch the show ... unfortunately the actress still doesn't quite cut it for me, but I find myself enjoying the Asad-Dilshad and Asad-Ayaan scenes, even though Ayaan is a very weak actor. But the scenes are well-written, so they appeal. I like Gurmeet more in PV than in Geet, what little I have seen of both shows :) I liked him in the two PV/QH crossover episodes.
My draw to a show varies - it could be good characterization, it could be good acting - anything that appeals. I got hooked to DMG because of a promo of KSG ... a 30 second scene, and his expressions were enough. Same with MJHT ... got hooked because of a two minute Sanaya scene 3 months into the show - the characterization and the acting both drew me there. While I would have followed IPK anyway for Sanaya, the fourth promo and then the guesthouse scenes really got me hooked to the show.
Surprisingly, although one of my very dear friends loved Geet, I never got hooked either to the characterization or the acting - although I tried for her sake (I love discussing shows with her) ... so again, cannot comment on that.
But mostly for me, it's the female characterizations that are important to keep me hooked ... my all-time favorite shows are still Astitva and Saans, MJHT makes the list also, but only for Gunjan's character. The guys is Astitva and Saans were both rotters, and were also both excellent actors :) Varun Badola and Kanwaljeet Singh respectively. Basically they both played unfaithful husbands :)))
IPK would be on the list if Khushi's character had been retained, as it is, it's on the list only for the first half of the show, not for the story as a whole. Having said that, I watched Astitva and Saans only for a few months each, so maybe I didn't see the degeneration when it happened ... it always does!
Opti,
DeleteContinuing the discussion below.
Dia,
If RK seems to be in character , it is only at the expense of every other character. MB - may have been intended that way too- is a one man show.
The saasu maa needs RK to tell her that Malik is in danger for her to realise she loves him. This, when the guy nearly died a few months back and was bed ridden for some weeks. Even Malik who was a no - nonsense guy looked stupid the way he ran into Padminiji's arms panting and huffing when RK tricks him in to believing she is in danger.
ASR losing his character- he was firm with dadi even when he was at his lovey dovey best/ worst. (I adored him that way.He was a man in love and not afraid to show it. Knew he was not going to stay that way for long. In fact, Khushi was just drawing out the ASR back...)
RK is made to look like a superman at the cost of all other characters. But I suppose that is what draws a lot of fans to the show. Many want to watch a superman. What is wrong with that?
But I must say, I am being biased here- if the execution of the show had been good, I too would probably be defending the show tooth and nail. Who knows? I can swear by the chemistry between Dips and RK here.
Su,
DeleteOh no, am not either attacking or defending RK ... am just commenting on the basis of the last few scenes I caught. Because they were situations I could relate with IPK, that's where the comparison arose.
ASR was firm with Dadi, yes ... but his interactions with Nani and Mami totally changed. Even with Anjali he was much softer and mushier. Now you can argue this showed his character evolution from ASR into Arnav, and I would agree to an extent. But take for example the scene where he fought with Khushi over Shyam's return, then the entire family was worried he would call off the wedding, so the way they tricked him and he came charging down huffing and puffing all worried ... there was no trace of arrogance or that old ASR 'I decide what I want to do, and my family falls in line' attitude. It was damn cute, it was funny ... but he was just a regular guy. Compare that with his attitude when he argues with Nani over the La move in issue, or even when he tells Anjali he will leave with Khushi if the family doesn't accept their marriage ... that attitude was ASR,and that was completely gone later.
Now if RK manages to retain that attitude and yet soften towards his mother, I will say he has done a better job - or his writer has. He has already managed that with his in-laws. I don't expect him to soften towards his stepdad or bro or Dipali of course. Unless something drastic happens. But it's early days yet ...
Off topic ... did you know that Roma is also doing another role in Mrs Kaushik ... caught a glimpse of her today :)
Roma- yes, she is a ghost. I cannot help laughing when I see her in MB. She reminds me of that ghost character!
Delete"there was no trace of arrogance or that old ASR 'I decide what I want to do, and my family falls in line' attitude.":
His arrogance was brought down when Khushi was ordered back home...from then, he was a tame lambie pie...
I took that as a part of his being humbled. His superego had taken a superbeating - 1. He had MUed the girl he loved and made her life a hell 2. Had forcibly brought her back from her maikaa (he was super arrogant in that track )3. HIs dadi had humiliated her for what was only his doing 4. He had exploded at her in a fit of rage...when he came down, I thought he looked tame because he was scared KHUSHI had agreed to break off the wedding...he had a very hard task up ahead of convincing her... He relaxed once he realised she was there for the mehendi...
Yep, well, I didn't agree with the way Arnav brought Khushi back from her maayka either ... he reserved his arrogance and attitude for Khushi and became a lamb for the rest of the world ... hell, I wanted it the other way around! :))) That was when they could have shown a strong RTR, his regret and his remorse that again he had hurt Khushi ... they showed the ending of the contract so badly that the audience was confused - has the contract ended or not?
DeleteI agree more with Opti about ASR actually - he was very badly written post kidnap. I had felt the same during the kidnap track too - instead of showing us completely useless moments of Bubbly etc, they could have canned some shots of Arnav sitting bound in a chair and thinking, and devoted the rest of the time to flashbacks, showing HOW he finally connected the dots and came to the conclusion that Khushi had been telling the truth. For that, they didn't even need Barun to be there - what they needed to do was some good editing of ALL the times that Arnav had seen or heard clues about Shyam being in the Gupta house, things that the Guptas had never hidden, right from the start, when he dropped Khushi back home after the guesthouse incident and Payal mentioned Shyam, the way they were all looking for Shyam when the R family went to the Guptas' place for the rishta, Khushi's fiance being their PG, being a lawyer, being called Shyam, her being so upset in his house and saying it was because of her fiance, the fact that her engagement broke so soon after that - there were so many incidents that the cv's could have put together ... so that when Khushi was telling her story, Arnav could corroborate all those and back her up ... rather than just saying, "I trust Khushi" ... a belief which his sister never shared.
And I always feel that he made a mistake in not telling Anjali the entire story - she was pregnant, but she had heard the entire story during the confrontation, and managed to survive it ... he owed it to HER, not just to Khushi, to tell her what he knew about her husband ... and then let her decide what she wanted to do. A wife deserves to know the truth about her husband, good or bad. Anjali could have been as stubborn during the Shyam re-entry track as she was, by believing, like Khushi did, that Shyam had actually reformed - after all, even hardened criminals can reform for the sake of their children. Besides, it was stupid of Shyam to kill the baby - that effectively snapped his last link with Anjali. Arnav was keeping the marriage intact only because of the baby. Once the baby was gone, there was no need to keep the marriage intact, it was only a matter of time till Anjali recovered, and Shyam could be kicked out. Unless he planned to get Anjali pregnant again in the interim!
But then, this PH can't deal with babies - they put in pregnancies at the drop of a hat, but forget that pregnancies eventually lead to babies! Then they're stuck ... so they kill them off!
Veera - Tuesday. So is Nihal responsible for Sampooran's death?
ReplyDeleteRatan's maternal feelings emerge briefly and she damps them down firmly.
Veera will always be the more strictly disciplined child, never given any leeway by Ratan ... but she gets love in plenty from Chaiji and Ranvi ...because of this mix of unconditional love and strict discipline, she will emerge as a very strong character. Or she should ... am looking forward to seeing the grown up Veera.
I watched most of PV yesterday:
ReplyDeleteThe action scenes though thoda devoid of logic was very well shot and enacted.
So prashant gets killed and Dogra will be making an entry in the epi today.
Hmmmm..So just like IPK aaj shooting, kal telecast yahan bhi or is it cos the team has been shooting for ME back to back.
Also PV forum is far more welcoming. Although reservations were expressed about him being a parallel lead, mostly there is excitement about his entry as few people have watched him in IPK.
PLUS, PV's trp it seems is 2, so if a new track adds to the show I think, they are more than happy to watch it.
Shwetha,
DeleteThe PV forum is more welcoming thanthe IPK forum. What i mean is, there is no bashing. They take things as they come, probably because the people who watch a tale of PunarVivah are more mature. There are no silly fangirls around- or so it seemed for the few minutes I went through the entire forum. They seem to live in harmony. No complaints whatsoever about the tracks.
I thought Prashant turning totally negative was a little too much- even getting him killed. Did not watch the epi. PV is dragging most of the times. So far no character assassinations- except for Aarti keeeping her divorce a secret from Yash...even kept Ansh donating Bone marrow to his dad a secret from Yash- a little too much! But the forgiving track was sweet.
They do have those but I think everyone is more concerned about TRP there which is 2 and a lot are from Geet so they very well know the importance of having back up tracks so the leads get a break as well as the show sustains itself. If Akash was a triangle I am sure reception would have been different*wink*
DeleteI am vaguely familiar with the storyline I think the producers realized they could not drag Prashant further and now they can concentrate on the leads romance and drama can be brought by a new character who takes on the father. From the quick overview it is apparant that the Dad is very(un)popular.
And a male character keeping in view that unclejis are also watching will add that drama.
Whatever hope they do not turn Akash mushy in the end, let him keep his edge and the sarcasm just like RK, then they would have hit a jackpot interms of balance in the show.
And Dogra will be hell bent on proving himself, I mean he got this offer after Akash who had a blink and miss role in IPK and not a single track which could show of his acting.
And it is obvious, some effort has been put into the new character so he stands the test of time, hoping for the best!!
Shwethu,
DeleteTHODA devoid of logic is being very kind ... to the fight scene, I mean. It took me a while to figure out how and why Yash and Prashant tumbled from the clinic into an abandoned warehouse ... How did they reach there?! Was there a secret tunnel? Did they disapparate and then apparate there? Did they use Flu powder? Was the injection the doctor was holding a Passkey? Many interesting possibilities ... By the time I was done figuring them all out, Prashant had died :)))
Still waiting to watch Dograji's entry scene with sound ... all the YT videos I found are muted on the second part. Maybe YT got confused that AD was talking so much! :D
YT GOT stunned into silence seeing Akash bitwa speak soooooooo much..
DeleteAnd aiyyo, don't get me started on the clinic to warehouse thingy....kaun sa abandoned clinic hai where no one else works.
And I was just wondering if that doctor in that clinic was a lead actress or even a supporting actress, then she would have had the brains to inject the anesthesia in prashant rather than arti........go women power yada yada...but kya karen, junior artist are not supposed to have brains though they can be doctors*Rolls eyes*
Aiyyo, I had the same thought - if the doctor had any sense, she would have injected Prashant rather than Aarti and knocked him out ... she was an extra, yaar ... even the doctor in IPK who tried to stop Anjali doing an abortion, had more sense and more lines! :)))
DeletePV does drag ... but I can watch the show once in a while and catch up with what's happening. And they've managed to keep the story interesting enough - I like Shobha ma's character a lot. I have been doing that, actually ... so now I can watch it for a while, till Akshay holds my interest!
hi ladies.. sanaya's zing mag interview:
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barun's telegraph interview
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3404616
Thanks, J!
DeleteBoth of them! Made me smile. *hugs*
cute!
DeleteThanks, BLE!!!
DeleteLoved Sanaya's interview, especially the part on the media, and her replies about what ails the television industry - working hours, the instability and the lack of originality. She looked beautiful ... though the cover pic seemed photoshopped. Loved the B/W pic - that was gorgeous.
I looooooooooooooove Akash bitwa he he:)
ReplyDeleteI stayed up and watched PV and tomorrow an exceptionally biased take on Akash bitwa coming up.
No seriously, Akshay Dogra was damn good today..thoda he has to be careful he does not channelize Bachchan's bhoot which has a tendency of cropping up in his performances.
Annnnnnnnnnd I will not complain about a haircut pucca promise:)
Shwethu.....i am dead sure that acting ka pura bhadaas that he could not vent in IPK will come out guns blazing in PV....angry young man, bring it on!!....hey shwethu, while i will not be seeing PV, i will defi look forward to ur take (biased or whatever) on AD's role...hehehehe....
DeleteRekhs: Laga to waisay hi mujhay,lol. See he was very convincing as the bhondu Akash and somehow I feel he should stick to the grey/negative roles. For one, every show needs one and will have equal importance as the main characters and plus he will speak more.
DeleteI am hoping the only reading he gets to do is his own dialogues, IPK was more like a library where he was seen always reading some book or the other, bahut padhaai ho gay, time he gets to Act!!
I will also know the hidden talent that I saw in him - woh hai ki nahin:)
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3405415&TPN=3�
ReplyDeleteLink to his AT and you can scroll down to see his scenes in the show.
Second video from from 3.50 onwards:
Totally filmy, dabangg entry, lol.
Has a proper grihapravesh and then comes in has a look around, this is where Bachchan bhoot makes a quick appearance and thankfully quick exit too.
Akash bitwa makes himself comfy with a spooky bg music. Now one of the family member comes in, thoda confusing dialouges and then akash bitwa comes out with a bachchonwala riddle, boojho toh jaano and we find out his name is Akash. Oh and the dialogue exchange happens with arrogance and sarcasm intact.
coming up:
now the evil bua I am guessing makes an appearance and she goes this must be the new guy we are hiring as driver, the family member still have no clue who he is emphatically declares his dad will not even let him touch the car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGRP99PNgnc
Continued from here:
Layered dialogues start from here:
FG (Family guy) the way you are declaring your name, akash interrupts as if it belongs to a royal family and for that he need not take permission from anyone especially Scindia parivaar.
And thanks to spoilers we know that he is supposed to be the illegitimate son of the scindia family head.
Now FG is getting irritated and Akash asserts, you can't dismiss me, treat me and my name with respect especially since I came here as I was invited.
*Hayeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*
Now FG, thanks to bua who tapkofies the FG's name is Pankaj and informs Pankaj, Aakash is the new driver.
Pankaj goes ha, my dad will not (oh so Pankaj is one of the son, kitnay sons hai yaar iss family may, will have to ask my dad)let him touch his car and asks him condescendingly, do you know how to drive a car.
Gets a LOL reply from Akash*Okay so it is obvious I am totally enjoying this, this is what I sooooooooo wanted Akash bitwa to be vis a vis Shyam but here he is with Pankaj, so what, I am not complaining he he*
Toh Pankaj goes, you can fly an aeroplane too, go fly that Akash Bhai*hint hint as to the bhai part*, you can leave now.
Akash bitwa goes, I will not leave till I meet the guy who invited me in the first place.
Pankaj goes, you dont know my dad
Akash interrupts, Ah, But I am fully aware of my capabilities, you see, CONFIDENCE ki shortage nahin hai hamaaray paas
SN from me - Yup confidence ki shortage nahin, dialogues ki shortage thi in your previous show, hopefully that will be taken care of in this show.
And then the DAD the BAD enters and Aaksh goes, Toh aap ho!!!
and precap!!!
I had fun, hope I didn't bore anyone of you:)
ROFL ... Shwethu, thank you!!! The links I checked had the audio missing ... now I have my written update. I was laughing all through the AD scene ... bande ki toh nikal padi! Meaty role, and that too with dialogues!!! Have to watch a few episodes of this now, just for AD!
DeleteI think he will more of a role than as Akash Raizada for sure ... for one, the jodi here are nowhere near as overpowering, and there are a lot of characters, and they have kept the story going with all of them, including Aarti's/Prashant's parents etc ... not like IPK where Guptas were totally out of the loop after a while.
LOL!
DeleteThey kept the name Akash?
Shwetha, the way you have described Akash, sounds like he will be the star of the show. And I can quite believe it too- like you said, the leads are not overpowering.
I really appreciate that about PV- all the actors have a character and they stick to it. And each one can stand by himself. They don't need the lead to play 'saviour' to them. And the kids are wonderful too. Actually, the only bit I find boring is the romance- otherwise it is a very good show.
Looking forward to your updates. :-D
Shwethu,
DeleteThere are three sons in the Scindia parivar ... Pankaj is the eldest, then Yash (GC) then the youngest- your favorite Dishank, I've forgotten his name in the show, but it's also with P, and his wife is Paridhi. Paridhi had a track about working women, which I watched with interest, when it went the same ghisa-pita way of working women being all bad and unable to handle the home, then I gave up on it. I think they went off to Sweden or somewhere - did they leave the show?
Dia,
DeleteParidhi had a good track, after that. Something about being molested at work and it comes out to her husband when she decides to put her honour at stake to defend another woman who was molested too...watched bits of that. I thought that was a very good parallel track!
I think they are still around. Not sure.
Ok, then I didn't see most of it. What I saw was that she sleeps with another guy - or rather, he tricks her into spending the night with her, and then the ensuing drama. But what put me off was the elder bahu, Vidhi (?) trying to prove to Paridhi how a bahu was the most wonderful thing to be and Paridhi as a working woman, couldn't handle the house as well.
DeleteYou are describing the beginning of the molesting track.
Delete'trying to prove to Paridhi how a bahu was the most wonderful thing to be and Paridhi as a working woman, couldn't handle the house as well.'
he ...he... didn't see that.
Su, Dia: I feel that too, if written and acted well, this track will be a superhit. Believe me I am not trying to be biased*emphasis on trying*.
DeleteSee my parents watch everything on zee and they like PV, so much so if they miss the epi they either catch it online or catch the repeat.
So it has managed to hold some interest for them so far, all the drama and story and they usually laugh the nuttiness that sometimes TV shows bring as my dad says serial chalana hai toh they will exaggerate.
Plus What little I have seen of the show, the supporting cast is really good with seasoned veterans.
Now that arti and yash are in Love I think, with prashant gone (there is only so much you can drag the ex-hubby track), they needed to inject drama quotient and they do have Dad the Bad character, so hopefully it should work well for the show.
You know Dia, I was asking my Dad where did the younger bro go doesn't he have much of a role and my dad goes, not much actually, he must be around somewhere lol.
Achcha 3 bhai hain total and now Akash, intersting....Let me see how much longer it holds my interest after the novelty of seeing akash bitwa speaking fades off.
Oh and they better not inflict a coy payal on this akash, if *shudders at the thought* if they have to bring in a payal for him, let her be the firebrand one, remember the one epi where Payal does a Mami, Deepali was very good in that.....
Filhaal I want to see Akash bitwa eating the much needed footage and not sharing it with anyone:)
Truth be told....there is nothing interesting on television to hold my interest..but ah well Shwethu...ur comments are quite another thing!!
DeleteI have not seen a single frame of PV..in fact i have not seen anything even on SBB and the like to give me the foggiest (ok..lemme think...i saw one frame of somebody fighting with GC so i presume it must be PV if he is acting only in that serial) but ur comments gives me hope that i will be able to vicariously enjoy the serial...(just thru ur comments!!)Ur footage comment reminded me of Chillar party for some reason LOL
Keep it going Shweths...HUGS
btw sticking to History channel and documentaries for now...in fact watched an interesting program y'day Mountain Men on History Channel
Rekha, try English shows ... I'm following Downton Abbey and Revenge ... Revenge is masala, and second season is not as good as first, but it's got pretty girls, good looking guys, great homes and lifestyles of the rich and famous, so good fun to watch.
DeleteDownton Abbey - ah, that is great, especially if you're a Georgette Heyer fan ... you will relate to so many things there! A haughty sharp tongued dowager duchess, an intelligent hero, a sharp heroine - she's not all honey and sweetness, she has her own negatives ... the whole footman, butler, lady's maid, valet scenario ... all the things I've read about and enjoyed, come to life here!
Su - it's tough to defend something that is not IPK!! but having said that - just wanted to give you a bit on MB - so i agree that the evils of the hero (as you mentioned) do look like a mountain and the redemption seems pale - but in defense:
ReplyDelete- the story actually progressed very well, the buildup was well done (disclaimer - am only talking of the leads! cant stand the others especially the high pitched shrieky sister!!)
- it started by the hero causing an accident and MB being the good Samaritan and fighting against him - but RK never paid any attention to the girl coz he wanted to (and almost did) but off the victim - only when MBs sent her bangles to RK did he get interested in her. Again only after he ended up in jail did he plan the girls downfall - and ended up breaking her engagement - she ended up slapping him in public - which led to the forced marriage.
I guess the build up was so 'tit for tat' (no i am defending the hero - am just saying how it went) - that the flow was well done.
After the initial shock (which DD did very badly) - MB was back in form and the tit for tat began again - she threw away his liquor, his hurt the mother, she forced him to appologise. The thing would have ended but the pictures still got published (the personal pictures were used by MB to force RK) - that led to the 'party' which was the crescendo of the hatred - which led to them actually opening up and communicating.
As for the redemption - once they started talking - and RK got to know his wife, the hatred started dying out things got better - he actually started trusting her - to the point that he defended her in front of all. He did not give a damn for his family so to them he just declared - 'get off my wife's back' but to bittuji, who was his friend, he very clearly explained why he trusted her. so in a way his redemption started then
as for defending her in general - he actually was not rude to her in public (except the party) - all he made her do in public was distribute prasad and run his personal errands like get coffee - plus he never let anyone say a word against her (like ASR)
and what i liked was that the characters have been clearly etched and maintained - if you see the first few minutes of yesterdays episode - you will get what i mean - Disclaimer - again - i only stand by the first few minutes - the rest is all OTT B grade bollywood stuff
oh and the 'testing stuff' - started as a test coz of his own failure to trust (and he got it good when MB got back to him saying he had no right - where she passed or failed, he was no judge) - but this test has now become something he wants to do to get away from the film world (don't ask me why - have not understood that bit at all - though he did dedicate one episode to explaining why - i still cant understand why he has to walk away into the sunset!!)
and you know i have never been a fan of misunderstanding coz to me they defy the logic of being in love and trusting your partner - that's why i was so upset with Gul for assassinating ASR by not letting him to anything about his shaq - for freezing his brain - whereas here RK's brain is not frozen, immediately after the confession, he found out that there was trouble in paradise (read MB's home) and he put 2 and 2 together - did not throw her out - threw out his doubt. same way, when MB found out about the 'test' - she flipped but made peace - not walked out (not saying that KKG ever walked out)
Disclaimer - though the hero is good being snarky and witty, he is not very good in the emotional stuff - and DD is ok but she is no SI - so all in all - the chemistry is nothing like IPK (but then i guess those two did set very high standards)
phew - this was a long one - have loads to do in AD - will be in touch - bye for now
Mona,
DeleteI said more or less the same thing but you said it better. Fully agree with everything you said including where the show lacks.
hehe this is spooky - we write almost exactly the same things (though i thought You wrote it better!) Spooky!!!
Delete'get off my wife's back' but to bittuji, who was his friend, he very clearly explained why he trusted her. so in a way his redemption started then...'
DeleteYes and after that he decided to put her to test. This is the greatest inconsistency for me.
I have written a detailed reply to opti above.
Oh and- ' i still cant understand why he has to walk away into the sunset!!'
Pasting my reply to opti above...Can't help it:-D
Initially! I pointed it out after that episode that he had his mind set on it and someone suggested ‘rhetoric’. He he...Guess I can't use 'gloatwa vey' outside IPK! :-D
'He really wants to get away from all the fame and fortune and live the life of an ordinary man.'
Where was this ascetic nature until Dipali came up with the bright idea? Ah! Dips knows her RK in and out. So much so, she even knows his desires before they start forming in his mind???
Su,
DeleteI don't see that as an inconsistency in character. You had earlier remarked how ASR was disturbed by his past and it is his past which should be blamed for his brainlessness. You also mentioned that RK was a lone ranger. Therein lies the answer for his behaviour. RK had a bitter past. The father whome he loved deeply killed himself. His mom, whom he was next closest too seemed to have betrayed him by remarrying so soon after his father's death and his GF ditches him. So he is basically an insecure guy who is unable to trust anyone with love. Madhu's slight hesitation triggered that insecurity. Had he remained brainless for long I would have had as much complaints against him as you do but thankfully he allowed his brain to work pretty quickly. Even that momentary brainlessness did not go unpunished. He had to bare the brunt of Madhu's rightful anger besides getting knocked on his head.
You are right, it is Dip's goading which had got him thinking of foresaking everything. Why is he doing it? My interpretation is that he has never wanted to be a star. He was basically living his father's dream for him. After he lost his father to death, his mother to remarriage and his GF to his step brother, he was driven more to realising that dream not only for his father's sake but also to prove a point to Dips.
He let that fame get to his head and it is this arrogance that made him behave so badly with Madhu. When she put him behind bars he just could not digest it since he always thought of himself as invincible. But deep down he knows that all the adulation he gets is for the position he has attained. He tells Madhu that he had reached where he has by outhrowing someone else five years ago and soon some else would do the same to him.
Pads says a beautiful line to his mom. When you have nothing, there is no fear of losing anything but when you have everything, you fear of losing it all. RK is at this point. There is a feeling of insecurity which is gripping him and that is what took the better of him when he subjected Madhu to the test. By foresaking everything, he is willingly relinguishing what he may one day lose. This way he feels he can shield himself from that inevitable loss of glory.
Another reason could be he wants to rediscover himself. He is a good painter. He tells Madhu, while showing off their unfinished home, he would like to spend his time painting while he lovingly gazes at his wife. By starting from scratch he will get back that drive to achieve, which at the present moment he may not have as he is already at the top.
Another way of looking at it is he wants to start this second innings with his wife by his side. During his first innings he has attained everything alone. He now wants to walk his life with her, making her an active part of his existence.
Does that sound foolish? Maybe but then RK has always been radical in his thinking and his actions.
Ah! Is this the bit that Mona could not understand. I understand perfectly. In fact, JUST THIS BIT SEEMS TO BE INSPIRED BY BARUN SOBTI. :-D. So, we have a living example to relate to!
DeleteI never called him foolish. I am talking about his sudden lack of IQ in connecting that Madhu loved him, that’s why she did all this for him. And when his dimag came back, even then, it was about connecting why Madhu behaved that way- THAT WAS NOT THE ISSUE for me- the issue was why did he even set that challenge for her. It is just that the way he fell for that challenge after everything he had put her through and knowing the trouble she went through to bring him back to life- that was a Satyavaan- Savitri track. And like I mentioned above, if the challenge had come before he professed his love, he had been unsure of his feelings and her feelings which was evident in the KC – RK style, it would hvce been really good...after all that when he puts her through on emore test- that is hard to digest. (If ASR hadcrumbled at BFTP and let Khushi go- this would be the equivalent in IPK for me. And believe me, that was supposed to happen- and the redemption right after that, so there is no point criticising the lack of a proper redemption track. They were saving the best for the last and the last came too soon...so loops were left unclosed. If SP had given them 2 months to close the tracks...but SP wanted the show to go on without Barun at first, and the suddenly palat ke shut the show down IN A DAY! (At least that is a fact we all know.)
‘Does that sound foolish? Maybe but then RK has always been radical in his thinking and his actions.’:
All this would have been better accepted if the track had not started out with Dips throwing the challenge. That totally changes his motive.
Any way, this means it is love all the way for the couple. And may be I ‘ll be hooked back when the ‘story of middle class aspirations’ start. By then RK will be middle class , so it will be as promised :-D
‘Gurmeet never sang praises of how well the character was written. That is who he is. Vivian too does not need to talk about how well his character is written because people know it.’:
I beg to differ.
Vivian simply does not GET ASKED THOSE QUESTUIONS because RK has never reached the proportions ASR and Asad reached. (Dr. Armaan too, I suppose)
MB is a one man show- it is like a Salman Khan movie.it is all about him...it entertains some people, ... that’s about it for me. AND THAT IS ALL IT SHOULD BE actually, because the difference is the same as that between popular and parallel cinema. If you can bring both under one umbrella- IPK was that sort of an ATTEMPT. And that is why it gained so much popularity.
If you talk about Gurmeet, MSK is more popular than Yash. (Though God knows, Yash has always been in character too- so it is not just the actors). If you take the list of the male iconic characters of telly wood- ASR. Maan Singh Khurana, and Asad would easily be on the top. I am not talking about forums...talking about what gets published. And all three are from the same PH. Speaks a lot about their creativity.
If QH does not do well, ‘ Gul has lost her magic.’
If it does well, all credit goes to KSG. ???
That seemed to be how you summed up IPK’s success.
'AND THAT IS ALL IT SHOULD BE actually,':
DeleteWanted to explain this bit.
It is all about entertainment, not artistic value.
MB lacks sorely in the execution, but the point is, it is entertainment.
At the end of the day, if you measure entertainment only by its success and popular appeal- MB comes out a winner too! 4 lions try to infuse some aesthetic appeal in their product.
Su,
DeleteFrankly I did not have a problem with his IQ because the test did not go beyond a day and his shatir dimaag was back with a bang. They ensured that the issue was brought up and a proper closure was given to it with MB chastisiing him and RK accepting his wrong. ASR brainlessness continued for months and that was irritating to say the least. We can go on and on about this and still not reach an agreement. So I'll rest my case.
I don't like Yash as a character and Gurmeet is a shadow of what he was in Geet. So the credit does go to the PH for creating Maan but they also destroy the characters they create. They come up with brilliant themes and scenes but hopeless tracks and inconsistent characterisation. Geet and IPK had very promising stories but their execution was not up to the mark in the crucial tracks. This PH almost always botches up the climaxes and they turn serious stuff into frivolous tracks. In fact they seem to lose steam after the first 10 months or so.
My stand as far as this PH and their shows are concerned has always been the same. They are a talented bunch (I wouldn't give Gul all the credit or the blame) but they lack focus and tenacity. Their casting was great in their previous two shows. But they get swayed by public opinion/channel and do not stick to what their story is about.
As far as QH goes, I've already said I don't even like their story. The actors (apart from KSG) don't interest me. I don't like their casting this time around.
Opti,
DeleteWas following your discussion and I agree with you on the part regarding 4Lions not having consistency in their shows. I agree with you in that point.
The theme that 4Lions start with are actually good but then they lose their focus and ultimately their characters become mere caricatures of their earlier characterizations. Like when I decided to watch Geet, the story was about a girl who defies everyone for her beliefs or something - the promo was also about something on that lines - she is not a prime minister but she is a village girl who stood up to fight for her rights and they showed DD looking at a plane in the sky. The story started well enough and you have the problem of a rich guy duping a naive girl shown well enough. I thought they would show Geet fighting all odds and going to the foreign country and fight for her rights. They started on that track too - they showed Geet fighting her family and there were real powerful dialogues of DD in that scene when she declares her family to be dead for her and goes on(guess that is one reason why DD as MB is failing for me and I keep on going back and forth on that show). But after they got Geet to Delhi they already had GC-DD chemistry hit and become a craze and they lost their plot of Geet going somewhere and I don't know the whole serial from that point onwards was just couple of scenes in some episodes. Geet was pregnant for the longest time I could ever know but she never had any bump shown and neither was she shown to remember her husband - one who cheated her. And then once she decided to forgive the person who wronged her - there was no point in their tagline. The story lost the appeal for me at that point.
Regarding IPK the moment Arnav buried the past in 1 episode, the whole premise of the show was gone and didn't work for me. The wound was festering on him for 14 long years making him arrogant and averse to love. He simply forgets everything was not something I could have accepted.
Fine - here comes the defense point that Barun was leaving so they had to bury the track. They could have shown that Garima was first love of Sr.Mallik but Dadi didn't allow their marriage to happen and by blackmailing Garima to leave her son, she removed her(Garima) from his son and got him married to Ratna. That would have made Dadi is the person who was wrong - and it would go well with her character too. Dadi was someone who wanted to maintain status and would definitely not accept a low class girl as her bahu and also Ratna when she finally came to know the truth felt deceived that her husband couldn't forget his first love and killed herself. But the truth may have been that both Sr.Mallik and Garima might have just met by chance which Ratna might have read wrong. Had they gone this way they could have given closure to everything. But going the illicit affair they wiped out every character they built in the show - Sr.Mallik, Ratna(turned out to be a weak woman - not someone whom ASR idolized), Anjali - I could never understand her thinking given that it was on her marriage day the thing happened, ASR - turned out to be someone else and not the complex person he was shown to be in the earlier part of the show.
The story and characters were good no doubt in Geet and IPK but the point is once the lead jodi becomes hit then the story is out of the window and the team loses complete interest. Oh yeah the taglines - they had really good taglines for IPK as well as Geet(Hue saabse parayi) but they never adhered to their taglines.
QH I am not following but once the lead jodi becomes hit, the whole focus shifts and the story loses the initial write up.
Opti - one virtual hug coming your way - the one thing i could not get - you cleared for me :D thanks
Deletenow i get why RK wants out - he had explained it but i missed it somehow
Opti,
Delete"ASR brainlessness continued for months and that was irritating to say the least. We can go on and on about this and still not reach an agreement. So I'll rest my case.":
Aaawww...we had the blog going on IPK after a long time. I enjoyed it. Refreshed IPK memories! :-D
I will not elaborate on this point, because like you said, it is pointless argument.
I totally symathised with Khushi and was the biggest advocate for RTR here, I think. But I never accused ASR of brainlessness, beause it took him 6 months or more to accept he loved Khushi. And what happened that night on the terrace- the hug and the dialogue...it was BETRAYAL. And ASR was once bitten, twice shy...many more times when it was the same person he knew he had to keep away from who held that inexplicable pull- he could not deny the attraction- it was always there. But she was TWO -TIMING him. He did not even for a minute think she could be innocent because that is how powerful that scene was for him. And he did not discuss it with her because theer was no point discussing it with a two- timer...she'd come up with some other excuse. Ofc, he should have ideally gone back on her history- but he was UNFORGIVING for a long time.(Just like RK did not forgive his mother for years...) One day, he wondered if he had been wrong and that is when the love story started again. . And it did not start on that kidnap chair.
Dia had initially talked about having a page for fav IPK moments..I had two in mind. IPK was off my mind once QH started, but I feel like writing something with the discussion we had. Heh... heh... I don't expect to convince any one of you, just for the joy of writing about IPK.
QH will be in deep trouble if Gul decides to go with the initial story line...Zoya marrying Ayan- that will be a tough one to pull off...I am waiting to see if she 'll actually dare to do that. The love story is the real appeal for me, with KSG's fantastic performance and the PH's unique treatment (And LM is back too).
BUt Ayan- Humeira is picking up slowly...the casting seems weird actually- particularly Ayan and the youngest sis. NOTHING like the IPK cast where every one fit into their roles.
The good in that is that viewers will not get attached to the characters...so they can leave any time their parts get boring (*wink*). At least, right now, the show is balanced with the two households. I hope the makers don't get carried away with the love story- for their own good. The trps will not close the show down, the monstrous popularity will. It should never come to that.
Ah, Mona! She explained the Sobti part so well :-D
DeleteAfter ages was watching SBS, rumors of Behna show going off air are circulating again. Denied by actors, of course. Interestingly, or coincidentally, was reading about the next SLB movie, RamLeela, to be released around Diwali. So how involved is SLB really going to be with the tv show? He seems to be still busy with his movie.
ReplyDeleteJust idle speculation :)
Dia, behna and khamosiyaan are going to get the axe very shortly. I have doubt how SP will work with SLB on his show. He is one mercurial director and no idea if he will be able to adhere to the TV deadlines. Somehow the show he selected SC is not something that is going to click with the audience so no idea if SP will meddle in with SLB also if the TRPs are not what they expect it to be.
DeleteSarada, we had this discussion on SLB some time back, don't know if you were there. I liked his first few movies - Khamoshiyan, HDDCS, Black ... he concentrated on content there. When he went more into the show and grandeur, like Devdas and Saawariya, he lost his touch. I think we were all on the same page.
DeleteI'm not a great fan of Jennifer either, and have not seen Gautam ever. So I really don't know if I'll watch SC. I'll give it a try, because there is nothing else on tv to really capture my interest these days, except Veera. But honestly, am not expecting very much, because I don't really have much expectation from SLB as director. I doubt he'll be involved in day to day show deadlines, though ... he's too big for that, plus his movie coming up.
TRP's ... ah, more a bane than a boon, I feel! Have had similar discussions at work - the push for quick results, as opposed to taking things slowly and steadily and building a strong base ... being in the health field, I am always on the side of the latter.
Dia,
DeleteI think SLB be in as a director for this show - maybe he will have someone else assisting him in the show but he will be there. SLB now frankly doesn't have much ground left in cinema. His last couple of films did not set the box office cash registers ringing. That is the reason he is coming to TV. I don't think the show would have been touted as SLB's show if he were to not direct it. So yes we will have SLB directing the show - depends on how much he will do.
Somehow the TRP's have made the channels go into this vicious never ending rat race. No one has time to sit down and nurture any good show. The PH are busy to mint money, the channel is busy to topple others at the TRP chart. Bechare cast and crew are the ones that are getting ground in this race. SP, Colors and Zee are in close contest for the TRP race - Earlier it was SP the sole leader for weeks on but now it is fluctuating every week. So I am pretty sure SLB's show would also be on the scrutiny list if the TRPs don't exactly register what the channel honchos are hoping for. And on that note somehow I feel Behana, Khamoshiyaan will both get the axe in 1-2 months.
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3406434
ReplyDeleteAt last got to see Akshay's look in PV.... *whistle* me likes !!
Love IPK forum for this .... they have variety of posts .... searched entire PV forum .... could not get hold of it. Hmpft !
He looks a lot like the later version of Snakewa ... Just lean ...me double likes. I guess I will catch up on sbs if possible for PV now. He is always like an anchor in the group :D
QH - have to say this - there is no need of a maulvi for an engagement - infant an engagement is a cultural thing - nothing to do with the actual wedding
ReplyDeleteps - actually technically you don't even need a maulvi for a wedding!
Mona log samjhe tab na .... My brother offered to perform my cousins wedding rituals as Maulvi was way too late....Murder it would have been if Maulvi didn't arrive within 10 mins of his speaking up :)
DeleteThis was 15 years back .... Not that anything has changed ! The only thing that has changed is my brother has accepted he cannot change others mindset. Its too deep.
:D - Sama - good to hear from you - well actually its different in my family - we do have a maluvi (for nikahs- not engagements) but its just for blessing and tradition, everyone knows and is ok with anyone doing the actual ceremony
Deleteps - don't know where you are from but if anywhere close to central india, you will know what i mean when i say - "have you seen the ghararas they show in QH?" - seriously - who made them??? any UP-ite like me will die before wearing that thing - they seem to be suffering from anorexia (after all actresses ki tarah unko bhi apna figure slim rakhna hain!):D:D
Actually, Mona, I wanted to ask you about that ... the gharara Zoya was wearing ... I have seen it in old Hindi movies, but I thought it had gone totally out. Are such gharara still worn? And do Muslims in India wear them any more? I've had very good Pakistani friends over the years and they all wear either salwar kameez or Western wear, mainly pants ... these are people living in Middle East and South East Asia.
DeleteDia - yes of course we wear ghararas but only for weddings or sometimes big family events. and the gharars shown were pathatic - the gharara (lower piece) is not so tight on the thigh and the bale (the part where the straight half flairs) is on the knees, not 6 inches above. (this is a very modern take on a traditional dress which kind of kills the purpose of the tradition!)
Deleteoh and in pakistan too, gharars are very much a part of the culture - again weddings mainly. Having said that - ghararas are UP/Central indian culture - so punjabi muslim (across borders) wear shalwar suit even for weddings
From Bangladesh Mona :)
DeleteWe wear sarees here .... Girls these days are fascinated by lehengas (which is wonderful but I don't like it to be part of bridal wears as it not part of my culture.... its just the BW fascination for some) but still few. I hope it remains limited to small number.
I love banaroshi, kataan, zamdani and tangail/monipuri sarees for respective occasions. We do wear salwar kameez a lot too. Not the bride though.
Thankfully no mix up with grooms wear. They are nicely in kurtas and sherwani as always :)
Murder of tradition ....here people perform all the bengali hindu rituals at wedding. Its fun but there are also people who believes in it, that's where it gets complicated. Like here in QH .... following the chart of soap making .... as there is pundit present for engagements in every serial so Gautam included a Maulvi .... lol .......... I wouldn't be surprised if I hear from my Indian friends someday down the line hearing of a similar story, though none of them are Muslim. Reel and real life does get intertwined.
Sorry by Gautam I meant writer ... IPK picha nahi chodega :P
DeleteSam, was happy to hear u reel off the traditional weaves...a great part of the sub-continent has such a vast variety of traditional weaves...btw what exactly is kataan...does it have a bit of jute in it? there was a time, i used to pick up jute cotton/silk as i am particularly fond of loom weaves...so is the term kataan is peculiar to ur part of the world?
DeleteAnd talking of reel and real life intertwining most south indians would now tell u that the BW influence is deeply entrenched in the southie psyche atleast in respect of many social functions associated with marriage....much to the surprise of the older traditional generation...u hear of the brides wanting a sangeet etc added on to the already jam packed southindian marriage rituals..hehehe art imitating life alright!!
DeleteRekha difference between banaroshi and kataan sarees lies between the weaving of the saree itself not the patterns... like how many threads used. Not an expert so can't elaborate :) No its not limited to our part of the world. Only jamdani and tangail cottons are solely manufactured here.
DeleteSama - loved that you love traditional stuff- me crazy about traditional stuff as well - hence my facilitation with ghararas asn farshis (and i love designing them any wedding in the immediate family :D)
DeleteAnd for me too - the saree is the ultimate dress - just depends on how you carry it and i love weaves - right from jamdanis (which we get in banarasi stuff too) to ikkat and patola and kanjibvarams and i could go on forever so i should just shut up :D
oh and i did not even realize you wrote Gautam as writer - for i read it as write too (meaning IPK fever is very much there :D)
And Rekha - i totally agree - we have sangeets and manjha (uptan/Haldi) and all sorts of cultural events too but the marriage is just a nikha - a simple "do u take thee" kinds 5 min stuff
Same here Mona ... we have all sorts of functions but basic is 5 mins ook that would be too constricting ... Half an hour leading to Qabool Hai :D
DeleteKanjivarams ,,,, I love them too :D
Update on Khamoshiyan:
ReplyDelete'In closing, Mohit sends across a message to his fans, “Please be patient as many changes have been made to the story line of Khamoshiyaan based on the feedbacks that we have got. Not all shows can become popular from day one, and not all the concepts that get conceived gets successful without facing a challenge. We will from now show what the viewers want to see. So please look for the changes before jumping into conclusions. I am being positive and hope that Khamoshiyaan does well in the future.”'
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Actually I got to see a 2 minute segment of Khamoshiyan today and was surprised to see Mohit. This show had a lot of potential. They ruined it by not focussing even a bit on th elove story. I was constantly asking the Q, "where is the hero?"
He mentions entire tracks have been changed.
They were planning on a love triangle and Gauri is forced to marry someone else for some reason. I have not given up on the show, though I don't get to watch it. Hope it does well for Mohit's sake. SP cannot pull off very show on their channel, right?
Arjun Bijlani has already made his entry in Kaali.
'The story so far in Kaali has been emotional with the death of Nimai. The makers now plan to bring in more lively tracks with more of romance.'- Every one wants to do romance?
SP seems to be getting into trouble- among their promising shows, only Veera has done well. The ghost of IPK haunts SP!!!! *spoooooky*
In a very mean way, I don't want Kaali to do well at all :))) You know why!!!
DeleteYep, everyone wants to do romance ... but besides that, I don't think political shows have ever done well on TV ... anyone can remember anything to the contrary?
And SP made a big mistake IMO, by putting on Kaali just after Khamoshiyan ... both are pretty similar in basic premise, about small fiefdoms in smaller towns, run by corrupt and evil tyrants. They just had Ruk Jaana Nahin on a similar premise, but it had college politics as the base - I honestly don't know how popular KH and K can become.
I liked the points Sanaya made in her interview about content on TV ... I think it's very relevant and correct. She said that some people HAVE experimented on TV, but in many cases that experimentation hasn't worked. Until it works, people will be scared to experiment and will stick to the same old content.
She also said, and how true this one is - "Another important aspect would be to bring in originality in our content and our work."
There was more originality and experimentation during the days when DD was the lone ranger - shows like Buniyaad, Hum Log, Nukkad, Yeh Jo Hai Zindagi - we remember those shows even now. After that era, came a whole host of shows, most of which are popular while they're on air, and are completely forgotten once they go off.
I think SP and all channels, for that matter, should have different streams of content - some geared at the average saas bahu audience, and some at a more aware urban audience, the audience which currently prefers the Western shows on Indian tv because their content is more relateable for them.
I did hear that SP is alarmed at the failure of Kh and K, and is planning a revamp. Even PKDH, which is on the lines of IPK, in terms of love story in a rich, urban setting, has done okay in India, but hasn't taken off at all in the overseas market - as seen from the latest UK report. Not to the extent of IPK, for sure. I'm surprised Kaali is doing so well there though :((( well, comparatively speaking.
Dia,
DeleteI remember earlier political shows had content and it was done well. I don't know if you remember Tamas - by Govind Nihalani. It was done very well. Actually my dad was an ardent viewer of that show. Even in that era when there were no good equipment the show was quite a gripping one. The problem with today's show is that none of the shows adhere to the tagline with which they start. Everything eventually becomes the same routine and that is why you don't remember the shows when they are off-air.
Take Yeh jo Hai - everyone knows that it was a daily sitcom with satish shah coming in different avatars every episode. Till it was closed the show maintained the premise. I think I remember they got Yeh Jo Hai season 2 but they changed the format and it was not that of a hit. The channels should now think about different shows to cater different audiences - both international and national audience. The channels have to come out of the 'one serial will satisfy everyone' mentality as it is not the case.
Definitely SP will have to go for a revamp.I expect it to be mid year and most of the shows would be gone by that time.
Dia,
Delete"There was more originality and experimentation during the days when DD was the lone ranger - shows like Buniyaad, Hum Log, Nukkad, Yeh Jo Hai Zindagi - we remember those shows even now."
*applause* I think they were all done by products from the Pune Film Institute. That was a different era altogether! There was innocence in everything, and I guess trps did not decide the success of the shows.
Comparatively, I feel Sony is the only one that dares to experiment...they come out with different concepts and strictly seem to keep saas- bahu shows at bay. Kudos to them! They are ahead of their times and confident about it.
I have to say that even though I am not Ekta Kapoor fan, her best show BALH was bagged by Sony. And if you disregard certain gross anomalies (temporary) in characterisation, it is quite watchable. (It took me so long to come to terms with it, but I have finally forgiven Priya for scooting off to Dubai letting her family believe she was dead!)
Writing this here rather than in the post below about Zee Cine Awards, because the points about originality were raised here ...
DeleteMovies among the awards today ...
Kahaani
Barfii
Paan Singh Tomar
Agneepath
English Vinglish
Vicky Donor (both debutantes)
Nice!!! Also good to see that these got critical as well as popular acclaim.
Pity that among the 100 crore club, most of them didn't figure. Instead we got Bol Bacchan, Rowdy Rathore, Dabangg 2 ... I forget the rest ...
So is the masala Bollywood movie making way for some good cinema? Or can they both co-exist peacefully ... after all, with an audience of over a billion in India alone, not to mention overseas, there is plenty of room. And there will always be a difference of taste for the 'masses' and the 'classes', with some overlap, of course.
And coming to the point of bringing this up here ... can the same thing happen with TV? Would need another debate completely - maybe we'll do it some time :)))
Su, regarding your point above - I think Sony and Colors are the same business house, so they keep Colors for the saas bahu, more traditional shows, and Sony is targeted towards an urban, more modern audience. That might explain the experimentation on Sony. Sony also did the YRF shows, which were completely different from the rest of the shows on all GEC's - they were definitely geared to the urban liberal audience, and what was most unique - they were time bound. Take a look at Kismat, Rishta.com, Mahi Way, Seven ... all were really good shows. Compared to those, what they have on air these days isn't that great. But I think because of that, they're not so bothered about TRP's ... KLTK has been on air for ages, with really low TRP's, but because it has a niche audience, they won't take it off. Having said that, Sony is doing very badly these days, it used to do much better earlier. All its recent shows except for BALH have dipped badly. Only their weekend shows Crime Patrol and CID are doing well for them.
Deleteoh! my heart warms to see the blog active again. BG, tussi great ho! ROFL commentary!
ReplyDeleteakash bitwa will have no probs doing the snarky character.. saw a bit of him today, loved it. he was the brightest thing on that show today. an ditto sama, i like his look!
did you guys see this interview of barun's?
http://video.india.com/tv-gossip/3811/barun-sobti-to-play-a-lead-role-in-mitali-ghoshals-new-movie.html
saw the tail end of today's welcome.. sounds like they had a fun party tonight. and now i know it was all about stereotypes. dia, saw the article that said it topped UK viewchart for that channel.. now how will they explain the ratings drop once sanaya is off the show :)
Jaya, I so want the ratings of Welcome to drop next week ... just to show SP a thing or two! :D
DeleteI STILL haven't seen Akash bitwa's entry ... not with full stereophonic sound :))) Have to catch it today!
i agree Jaya - but we now need not 1, not 2 but 4 shows to reach to 90 odd posts when one good IPK episode would mean Dia having to make two sheets!!!
Deletemona, that's the point.. we had IPK close to our heart.. forget why,even the producers did not know, but it touched us all in some crazy fashion.. and we could not get enough of the discussion.. nothing good enough to catch our eye and trigger discussion, on tv right now...
Deleteveera is very clear... no shadowy areas at all.. every eyelock is explained, every sigh is explained, every tear is given its due.. very tight script, very well directed.. = really enjoy watching it, but no room for discussion, only prediction, as opti wrote below.
BV, Dabh (anybody watching that?) Balh, Pkdh, too slow to watch..
MB, QH,PV, nothing much to talk about, except gushing and bashing..
khamoshiyan, I dont want to spend the time to make sense of the convoluted plot..
housewife.. i dont like the tone of their speech.. too preachy.. that is where IPK was different.. no one preached there, it was truly urban. (only preachy character, dadi, even the other characters hated :D )
na bole tum.. the actress playing the grown up ashnoor totally turned me off..( i would have thought chavanni grew up to be a smart confident girl.) And mohan as an old guy! (why did he agree to that! part of his USP was the boyish guy, who refuses to grow up..) sorry opti, but i did not watch even one full episode.. only glimpses.. so am not qualified to comment. (did you know ashnoor got the role of devi durga's childhood? (forgot the channel)
Veera is such a patakhi ... she can very well apply the sandalwood paste herself, but she wants her Veerji to do it for her! Ranvi spoils her silly, and she makes the most of it. It's a good thing Ratan is so strict with her, otherwise she would end up a spoilt brat!
ReplyDeleteSN - she's adorable anyways!
Love Chaiji ... sulking because Veera can't have halva and has to eat khichdi!
Ranvi has khichdi just because Veera has to eat it ... awww, love this kid! The way he makes her eat through high fives ... double awww!!!
The squabble between Chaiji and Ranvi as to who will sleep with Veera ... triple awww! As Ratan looks on disbelievingly - just how old is Chaiji?!
Ratan's internal conflict showing so clearly - her mamta and love for Veera ... but she can't allow herself to show it at all. All because of that promise she made to herself?
Nihal-Kartar ... nice. Subtle, understated, emotions deep under a seemingly calm surface ...
Last scene - Ranvi sees Veera sleeping next to Ratan, Ratan's arm around her ... and his sheer joy at the sight ... multiple awwwwwww ...
Dia,
ReplyDeleteVeera is the only show I love unconditionally these days and they have never let me down. Every single episode is so full of those aawwwws you liberally splatter in your review and it always leaves me teary eyed, with a lump in my throat. This is one show I cannot write about clinically because there is so much emotion in it, I end up chocking each time I try putting my thoughts into words. So this will remain the one show I'll enjoy watching without actually discussing the intricacies which make it so lovable to me,.
Opti, so true ... this is one show I don't want to analyse or even discuss, I just want to watch it and enjoy it. Completely heartwarming and sweet. And each and every actor is good, can't point at even one who is average or mediocre. They are all uniformly excellent in their roles, and the characterization is beautiful.
DeleteAgreed ... I just love and adore it. "Veera tu meinu daant rahi hai !! " Awwwwww
Deletelaugh with me .. NK and nannav scene
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dog5NOIJ1sQ#t=245s
a VM from Dlovescenes.. someone who uploaded all the love scenes definitely knows how to mix em up.. hilarious VM
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUtGcOt0VaY
alternate link
http://www.garytube.com/watch_ZUtGcOt0VaY_-_THE-END-OF-ARSHI.html
Team Sarun did an interview with the entire IPKKND cast, except for Karan, who was out of town, and Sanaya, who wasn't well, plus her dog had just died, so they didn't want to press her. BLE, am depending on you to post the links when they appear :)
ReplyDeleteApparently the supporting cast was touched that they were also remembered so much. Must say again, whatever their faults, 4 Lions definitely hit the jackpot in casting for this show. The only two weak actors, relatively speaking, were the second Garima, and Sheetal ... Even the Prakash's and the waiter at the restaurant of the first Arhi meeting were good - we actually remember them all!
sanaya talking about the new zing magazine
ReplyDeleteclick here
See she agrees with me .... there were much better pictures. Zing guys were confused with the pictures, that's it. That's the reason they leaked it .... much like Sanaya's last PH who always gauged audience response ..... people mostly liked her in the white dress so that's what they used. The ones I liked was with the smoky make up, where they emphasized on her eyes.
DeleteJaya mubarakaan ... BBE se BLE :D
DeleteLOL sama, abhi there are no bloopers to watch, toh BLE naam qubool hai!
Deleteteam sarun index:
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3409168
teamsarun on twitter
https://twitter.com/TeamSarun
First of the predictions on R&R apparently coming true ... the new SLB show will take the slot of Kaali. The first of the three non-performers being targeted - this one not being axed yet, but probably being moved to a different slot. Wonder how long it will survive. Still running the lowest TRP's on SP.
ReplyDeleteJennifer is the lead ... so will have to wait for Sanaya for a while longer :(
This was on SBS ... so probably Jenni being lead is confirmed, time slot might still be speculation, will be confirmed soon enough.
At first I thought Kaali is going off-air and I was like fate cannot be this cruel ... Viraf was supposed to enter Kaali late Jan or early feb, So they are moving it I think to 11pm slot like that of Maryada or maybe if Khamoshiyan continues with their troubled production matters, maybe they will axe that.
DeleteWatched Colors Screen Awards a couple of weeks ago, and now watching Zee Cine Awards ... while Barun and Sushant have made a lot of noise and news moving from TV to films, have to hand it to Ayushman Khurana - he's made the move quietly, noiselessly and oh so effectively! And judging by reactions, he seems to have made quite an impact. Am happy for the guy, I liked him as anchor, and on stage he has a very pleasing personality, coupled with a great stage presence and sense of humor. Liked him the best of all the newcomers - probably because I've only seen his movie, and not the rest :)))
ReplyDeleteAnd was that Ranbir and Deepika together ?! Aylo!
MTV does not count as TV not in that sense really ... Ranvijay has done a lot of movies too. They have seasoned shows in MTV. Much like western world. :)
DeleteAyushman has done much better for himself than Ranvijay though. Really liked Vicky Donor. Lets see what future holds. Just watched SOTY .... Jeez all three of them super crap !! They are loved and adored to no limits by everyone everywhere by media. Aiyyo !!!!
Who is Ranvijay?
DeleteI saw Ayushman as anchor in a couple of shows on the GEC's ... has he been on MTV also?
ROFL ... I didn't know that John Abraham's name in Race 2 is Armaan Malik. Any DMG fans here? :))) Obviously DMG was bigger than I thought!
ReplyDeletejust yesterday, i chanced upon DMG on tumblr.. and was planning to watch it from next week.. good? bad?
DeleteHow do I answer that? *rofl*
DeleteIt's a desi Mills and Boon set in a hospital. If you have seen KSG only as Asad, give this a watch - you will be surprised at the difference. That's why I say he's a very good actor. He actually made Armaan Malik a household name - much like Barun made ASR.
DMG had a lot of good things the first year or so. It had three lead girls - by that I mean, the lead heroine walked out twice and was replaced - I caught most of Shilpa Anand as Riddhima phase on YT, watched the Sukirti as Riddhima on TV, and she was my favourite Riddhima, I switched off when she left and Jennifer became Riddhima - couldn't accept her. But honestly, of the three, Jennifer was the best actress. Shilpa was the worst actress, but she was the prettiest and most popular.
The guys were all VERY good, their bromance was fantastic. Especially after Rahul became friends with Armaan. It was a fun show.
so definitely must watch.. thanks for the rec!
Deleteif anyone else wants to watch, the link is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xCQD69bi90
Jaya/Dia,
DeleteNever liked DMG much. The only characters that stood out for me were Mohnish and Pankaj(Dr.Atul). Loved Mohnish's portrayal of Dr.Shashank and his relationship with his daughters - his own and adopted. Dr.Atul was the best friend anyone can have. Somehow KSG never clicked for me. The story kept on meandering into something and somehow there were lot of tracks that could have been taken to more meaningful heights but it was never to be. I used to switch on/off and whenever I used to be in the serial could never hold my interest for more than 1 week. The songs were damn good and still my favorites - especially the title song sung by Sonu Nigam and Ishq leta hai - too good. I was in between projects when Jennifer was the 3rd Riddhima so caught in when the DMG season 2 started - after the brief exit of Jennifer and KSG. Liked the Yuvi - Naina story but the creatives couldn't do any justice to their story.
Then when Jennifer came back, the creatives got Riddhima married to Sid and then the logic flew out the window. The creatives played Einky pinky ponky with Riddhima, Sid and Armaan and I pretty much lost interest and I could never go back even to re-watch the remaining episodes to see how they closed the show. You can watch the show for the classic trip/fall and dupatta scenes but now after IPK they look very childish to me. But there are very good VMs and movie trailers made on the serial and frankly they are much more creative than the serial.
Somehow Atul was my favorite character - used to love DD as Dr.Muskaan but her track was on/off. After DMG, Pankaj seems to have gone missing on TV. Haven't seen him on any show. Loved the stern Keerti and the earlier gang of Dr.Sapna, Dr.Atul, Dr.Riddhima, Dr.Anjali. You can watch the serial for the bromance and the fun elements of friendship and there are some quite good scenes.
This brought back a whole lot of memories :)
DeleteWatch this - a really fun scene with the bromance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm8R0ehZuU8
totally unrelated - for those in Delhi (not sure if the others get the same edition) - check out Brunch (HT Supplement) - it has a brilliant piece on changing times - how we Indians have (or have not) changed over the past 64 years -
ReplyDeleteof course its not 64 years - more like the last 20 (since 90's) - could not help laughing through it all - a must read!
dont know if this will work but just trying :
Deletehttp://paper.hindustantimes.com/epaper/viewer.aspx
It did ... thanks, Monu! Very cute read!
DeleteAlso read the article about the Delhi theatre scene - what a change over the last few years.
Mona, thanks for the link.. brought back a lot of old memories!
DeleteJust watched the Veera ME ... LOL at Veera raising her eyebrows at Balbir ... soooooo reminded me of Khushi!
ReplyDeleteAnd Ratan trying to hide her smile at Veera's words, Veera putting kala teeka on Ratan ... sweet! Ratan looks really pretty when she smiles.
I feel that Ranvi and Gunjan will be a couple when they grow older ... Balbir will be villain, with ample help from his mom. The way they're laying the foundation of the character of each person, starting from childhood, I'm looking forward to the leap when it happens ... each character is being etched beautifully. But the kids are so sweet, that am really not in any hurry for them to grow up.
SN - even though I would be happy if Sanaya did get to play grown up Veera ... now that she's not in SC or Daag.
Yes, Dia. I too think Ranvi and Gunjan will be a couple but poor Gunjan will always be left craving for love and attention. She had never got it from her brother or her mother. Her father was too hen-pecked to openly support her. She may fall for the one man who will always put his sister over her.
DeleteOpti, there is going to be a huge tangle of relationships for sure. Ranvi simply adores his Veera, she comes first for him. Now if they get Gunjan as his love interest, then what you said above happens, but poor Gunjan will not say anything to Veera. She will suffer in silence and never get her due fully.
DeleteOn the other hand, if Ranvi gets another love interest, who resents his putting Veera as priority over herself, then there will be the making of a triangle between Ranvi, Gunjan and the girl, who could be a vamp in the picture. And then once that girl exits, then Ranvi will recognise Gunjan's worth better. But this is a fairly typical scenario, so I don't know if they will go this way.
What I do visualise is Ranvi being overly possessive about Veera always, in which case what happens when she falls in love? Especially if it is with a guy from outside the village, maybe someone she meets at college? And in the meantime, Ranvi picks out his best friend as a good match for her ...
There is lots of potential for emotional conflict even when they grow up, so I'm looking forward to that part. And all this is before we even bring in Veera's murky parentage.
But before that, I'm looking forward to the Nihal mystery unravelling ... loved the way he took over coaching Ranvi. Ranvi misses his father a lot, he was very close to his father, but the poor child is forced to grow up and worry about his mom and sister ... I hope they have a good actor for the grown up Ranvi. Someone who can portray the mix of vulnerability, softness and protectiveness that Ranvi will be.
Aylo!!! Quitting news ... though this one was just a matter of time :( And his fans are rejoicing. Poor Mohit - he was really badly sidelined in his new show, he's made the right decision.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.india-forums.com/tellybuzz/buzzin-hot/13829-mohit-segal-confirms-on-quitting-khamoshiyaan.htm
Arey, replace the girl, she's the worse actor. Definitely cannot carry the show on her shoulders.
Anyway, I wasn't watching Khamoshiyan, and not planning to watch it now. Another show getting ready to bite the dust?
well, i dont know why he thought he was the hero of the story... it was pretty clear that it was the girl's backstory, from the start.. i thought mohit would be a guest appearance for the beginning month... why did he think otherwise?
DeleteI thought it was touted as Mohit's comeback show? He came ... and he went ... ;)
Deletekhushi is utterly flustered and nervous in front of arnav.. hilarious scene
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fHXvsOlVRc
Heck, Jaya, every time I think I'm done with IPK, you post such scenes and I go awwwww all over again! This was sooooo cute ... flustered Khushi and incredulous Arnav, worried La and sulking Anjali ... and gust of wind. And as usual, Arhi's entire concentration only on each other, and rest of the house oblivious!
DeleteWhen you watch these, you realise QH is really not a patch on IPK.