Veera ... Fractured relationships ... Kartar-Gurpreet, Ratan-Gurpreet/Kartar, Ratan-Veera ... who will mend them? Ranveera? Nihal?
Liking the characterization of Nihal, waiting to see more of him. Veera is a little firecracker, Ranvi and Moti Chaiji have their hands full with her!
Qabool Hai
Madhubala ... watched the episode, but it was pretty boring. Losing interest.
Na Bole Tum ... yes, it starts today :) and am planning to give it a try.
Ed - watched the first episode ... must say, Megha is really looking so pretty! Mohan is a good actor, but why oh why don't these guys shave any more? Another actor who needs a lawn mower! Like the girl playing Nanhi ... pretty and there is a resemblance to Megha - good casting.
Any others?
Balika Vadhu ... have watched the last couple of episodes ... sent me to sleep! Although I have to admire the way they progress the show slowly and steadily, but its too boring to watch daily.
Edited to add
IPKKND ... some new articles I want to post.
Team Sarun interview with Mamiji
Wow, she is a physiotherapist by profession!
And some of the cast of IPKKND is travelling to Dubai with a play! Now why don't I live in Dubai any more? Would have loved to watch this.
Another one who loved Khushi's character the most, and is a fan of Sanaya's acting. And of course, of the Arnav-Khushi jodi.
Links of Jayshreeji and Abhaji's interviews as well, thanks, Jaya!
Team Sarun interview with Naniji
Team SaRun interview with Abhaji - Buaji part II Part I has inexplicably disappeared.
Interview with Viraf Pheroz Patel. This guy continues to impress me! Shwethu and the others on the Sanaya-Viraf team ... are you reading?
http://www.rangmunch.tv/index.php/kaelidoscope/actors/item/2565-my-plus-is-that-i-listen-viraf-phiroz
He is hilarious and so witty!!! An intelligent guy with a sense of humour ... and good looking to boot! Now I really want to see him and Sanaya together on a show! He does not seem to be entering Kaali after all ... so can we hope?
Liking the characterization of Nihal, waiting to see more of him. Veera is a little firecracker, Ranvi and Moti Chaiji have their hands full with her!
Qabool Hai
Madhubala ... watched the episode, but it was pretty boring. Losing interest.
Na Bole Tum ... yes, it starts today :) and am planning to give it a try.
Ed - watched the first episode ... must say, Megha is really looking so pretty! Mohan is a good actor, but why oh why don't these guys shave any more? Another actor who needs a lawn mower! Like the girl playing Nanhi ... pretty and there is a resemblance to Megha - good casting.
Any others?
Balika Vadhu ... have watched the last couple of episodes ... sent me to sleep! Although I have to admire the way they progress the show slowly and steadily, but its too boring to watch daily.
Edited to add
IPKKND ... some new articles I want to post.
Team Sarun interview with Mamiji
Wow, she is a physiotherapist by profession!
And some of the cast of IPKKND is travelling to Dubai with a play! Now why don't I live in Dubai any more? Would have loved to watch this.
Another one who loved Khushi's character the most, and is a fan of Sanaya's acting. And of course, of the Arnav-Khushi jodi.
Links of Jayshreeji and Abhaji's interviews as well, thanks, Jaya!
Team Sarun interview with Naniji
Team SaRun interview with Abhaji - Buaji part II Part I has inexplicably disappeared.
Interview with Viraf Pheroz Patel. This guy continues to impress me! Shwethu and the others on the Sanaya-Viraf team ... are you reading?
http://www.rangmunch.tv/index.php/kaelidoscope/actors/item/2565-my-plus-is-that-i-listen-viraf-phiroz
He is hilarious and so witty!!! An intelligent guy with a sense of humour ... and good looking to boot! Now I really want to see him and Sanaya together on a show! He does not seem to be entering Kaali after all ... so can we hope?
dia.
ReplyDeleteadd ipkknd too.i know there is nothing more to it,still the way u discussed it in the last TVTW was amazing,left me wanting more,just say how certain things would have been different,say,redemption,BFTP,A baby[which ofcourse never happened:(]others also,do join in when u all are free and in the mood
dia,a more personal request to you,i know u are a wonderful writer[yes,i have read ur one OS:the plan,left me quite impressed]so can u pls take some of ur free time[i know u are very busy,have been following the blog regularly for a long time]and write an OS/SS on how khushi leaves after a very powerful BFTP revelation,arnav realising the truth and redemption,then after 2-3 yrs,finds her with their child but a new khushi who is as smart as ASR and completely unrelenting and his efforts to win them back.....[See it can go on].THIS IS ONE OF MY MOST FAVOURITE STORYLINE WHICH I'D HVE LOVED TO SEE AND I BET OTHERS HERE WOULD LOVE IT TOO AND pls my other friends on the blog can join too.
also,krishnaveni,opti and aarti missing for a long time after nov.finally,IF U THINK THIS IS TOO STUPID A REQUEST,PLS FORGIVE FOR INTERFERING THE DISCUSSIONS.EXPECTING UR POSITIVE REPLY DIA.
A silent reader.
Hey Ratna, welcome to the blog ... and so glad you decided to break your silence! You're not interfering at all ... this is an open place, and we like everyone to post their thoughts here, it makes the place more fun!
DeleteI don't think we will stop discussing IPKKND ever, not until Sanaya's new show starts, and maybe not even then! It was a very special show. Even the actors seem to be missing the show very much. I was really surprised and pleased to read Utkarshiji's interview - her words echoed exactly what I said in my last post on IPK ... about each and every character being unforgettable. That is one thing IPKKND has done for all its actors, not only the leads - it brought them all to attention. The only characters who were slightly ordinary and not very well sketched were Akash and Payal, unfortunately ... they could have been much stronger. It would have helped to take the pressure off the leads too if they had been etched better. Maybe the actors were also responsible to an extent - of all the actors, I think Akshay and Deeplai were the weakest ... but being the weakest in such a strong team is really not an indictment of their talent in any way, it's just that the others were all outstanding. Except for Garima, I have to say ... that actress was also average.
Thanks for your sweet words ... so glad you liked the Plan!
I really don't have the time right now ... but the thought has been playing in my head. Two stories - one on IPK after Arnav dies, with a new entry, Viraaf ... and the other on IPK, how it could have been. If I get time to put them down, I would love to do so. That second one would have Khushi leaving after the BFTP and Arnav's regret and his trying to win her back. I would also bring in either Arnav's father being still alive, or the wicked chachaji - my pet theory for the BFTP, which never happened! Everyone here knows how much I waited for Wicked Chachaji! :D
http://www.bolegaindia.com/gossips/Star_Plus_gives_three_weeks_time_to_Khamoshiyan_to_pick_up_on_ratings-gid-23995-gc-16.html
ReplyDeleteThat is a sad piece of news. Khamoshiyaan was actually OK. The director himself admittted some time back that they had opened too many sub plots. (Gee...I was confused too.) Bujt the show deserves to go on. What is wrong with SP? Do they realise that a channel needs to cater to all types of audience? And all shows cannot fetch a trp of 4.5. Leave that to DABH. There are other viewers who'd love to watch something different. Seriously, this is the best show on SP now (after Veera. These are the only two shows I can watch now.)for a thinking audience and I can never catch it on my screen any more. Have they taken it off air already?
http://www.bolegaindia.com/gossips/Auran_Irani_says_promoting_a_show_is_very_important-gid-23897-gc-16.html
Promote... promote...promote...
It is such a simple thing. Why will they not do it? I mean 4 lions with IPK and now the Khamoshiyaan team. Look at Veera- it is the only show that airs regular promos.
Dia,
Even I feel Veera is the best show on TV right now in terms of quality and consistency, but QH is a more compelling watch for me. The few epis of Veera that I catch leave me in awe. Today, I might have discovered the formula to watch Veera instead of switching off the TV after QH repeat in the afternoon. I follow it up with Housewife and then catch Veera in the next slot on SP. Hopefully this will work. It depends on how good housewife continues to be. I think this must be what SGP was like. It is a comedy and the hero has this major Sallu fixation. He is fun to watch. All the actors seem to be good. Our dear mamaji is there too.
PSH: Looked good when I watched it last week- Thakur Mallik and his mother have a talk after Kuhu's wayward husband is exposed- thakurayin is truly sorry she did not listen to Sugni, thakur is adamant that he will not forgive her no matter what. I guess I will continue to follow it through snippets.
Su,
DeleteYou like Khamoshiyan? I feel they have gone haywire in the storyline, it is too difficult to follow. They do have promos, I see K promos quite regularly, though admittedly not as often as Veera ... but the show is not keeping my attention. I am getting more interested in QH, though I cannot like the female lead! And I cannot fathom Asad falling for her ... the only reason he seems to be falling for her is because she is the FL, otherwise she is too scatty and plain silly to hold the interest of a guy like him. Have only seen a couple of episodes since getting back, so far haven't changed my opinion :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC5Z0yv81b8
DeleteDia,
This is love scene 2. You can follow the love story of QH from here. It might help you to understand Zoya better.She is silly; she is judgemental; she is loud; she is a clown. But she is lovable.
Oh! There are many similarities with IPK, but they have managed to still make it look good.
Khamoshiyan- I will get back to you later with what I liked about it. I haven't watched it for some time now.
wow Asad Ahmed Khan, you managed to make me cry with you today. i never knew i could empathise with a male character.. and zoya.. uff. so sad for her , too. like su said, i love the pace of this serial.
ReplyDeleteJ,
DeleteAre you following QH in IF? It is nothing compared to the IPK forum, but I like Vic Hot's analysis.
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3392235
'Is it good? Is it bad? Maybe a bit of both. Good, because finally, Asad has someone he can show his real side to. A person in front of whom he can scream, rage, rant and just let it out. A person in front of whom he no longer needs to pretend that all is fine and am perfect. Good, because Zoe tried to connect to him even though in those moments she was scared of him. Good, because Zoe in a twisted way, confessed that she cannot see her Jahanpanah all that dukhi.
Bad, because Asad is so frozen in his own sadness that he couldn't see that Zoe was crying in front of him, he couldn't see that the girl he was bashing is haunted by an unknown pain that runs as deep as his. Bad , because unknowingly he closed her doors to her past.
In the last scene today. what gets to you is that how desperately Asad needs to be released from his pain and his angst. So much emotional anger that he could have literally spanked Zoe around like a frying pan , but he restrained himself and just seethed - "Main aapki jaan le loonga."'
su, that was the beauty of their storytelling.. they built up the story so good, that we cannot even protest his actions when he snatches a random paper from her hands and starts tearing it up.. we are so immersed in his grief and turmoil that we cannot but accept that he was blind.
Deleteand her heartbreak.. yes, i missed sanaya's big pools of angst here, but surbhi was good as zoya..the girl who shows nothing on the surface, the girl who acts happy while inside she is a whirlpool.. that one second when he just snatches the paper and starts tearing, it was like a big something broke inside her head.. there were honest tears in zoya's eyes.. she knows that he is upset, but she does not stay quiet.. she tries her best to tell him what he just did..khadoos ahmed khan (sigh.. i almost wrote khadoos singh raizada{i miss himmm}) anyway, Mr. Khan has had triple blows.. knowing the team's propensity towards unbearable cruelty, i wish i knew what was coming..
those little dialogues of her realizing that jahanpanah khan was 'burning man' because of his family situation..I thought zoya was completely oblivious. when did she witness his angst? this seems to be a turning point in the storyline.. almost all the open loops about asad's family has closed. maybe now comes zoya's history?
i i hope they will apply logic.. she still has that friendly chachu's number, she can call up and get the info again
hip hip hooray! i was right, that track has ended!!
Deleteand now it is nainital (uff no..) mangalpur.
love the new title sequence.. perfect for the characters!
Hi Dia and everyone on R&R,
ReplyDeleteLong time. I know. Was very busy with AD and so was away - anyway TV was not much interesting. Anyways a very Happy new year to everyone and hope everyone is settled in the new year quite good. Saw your photos on the blog Dia. The Safari photos were really good. And finally good news for me on AD front. Like I said earlier, Had lot of issues with my manager in AD. The project was mismanaged from a long time and during the tail end of the project the blame was convinently shifted on us(test team) when we did all we could with the limited resources to deliver the project. I tried a lot to stick out with the team but couldn't do so and finally have moved to another team. Some of my team-mates also moved out as it was getting unbearable under the manager to work on the project.
My whole family life started to get affected and on top of it we were blamed for the project not on track - Tell me about it. So finally I decided enough is enough and quit and joined another team. I would be missing out on the bonus that is due in 2-3 months as I worked on this project and the new team may hardly take this into account but seriously there was only so much I could take. Finally the top management woke up and pulled my manager up for task - there ought to be a reason why so many of the team quit and finally everything was known to the top management but it is little too late now. We all asked for some lenience in the delivery dates but my manager didn't agree and we had to work over weekends and over vacation times. Now the upper management had no choice(with 90% of the team quitting) to defer the project for another 6 months. Wish this decision was taken earlier and I would have been with my team and would have gotten the bonus too. But fine either way I thought I need a break from that and now I am in new team. Hoping it would be fun with the new team. So that's that in AD.
Hmm was very busy and could hardly follow any serial for long. Was following on/off PKDH and Veera when I used to have late night meetings at 11PM in night(Half of our team is in US so we used to have this late night meetings to sync up with them in US day time) but was not regular. Used to go on IF forum page to catch up with FFs of my favorite authors and saw the interviews of Naniji, Buaji and LM's second part. The bonding between the cast seems to have been awesome and everyone seems to have had a good time with each other. I loved the way Naniji, Buaji were remembering their shoot times together - It is very rare to get a cast that gelled like a family off screen too.
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DeleteRegarding LM's interview - well I felt he was doing a balancing act. Like not telling the problems that occurred explictly(maybe because he is still working with the same PH and so couldn't say anything against them openly) and defending Barun (saying he gave notice way ahead). Only thing I felt if this interview did anything then it is to show the mismanagement in this PH. LM it seems lost interest in November itself. May be the channel budged in between and influenced the show - but that happens with all of the star plus serials. SP is quite hungry in terms of TRPs and it is a known fact. The PH should have handled it in a better way and this is the only PH which used to shoot in the morning for the telecast in the evening. Most of the times it seems the PH used to scrap of what they shot earlier and used to reshoot before the telecast and hence you used to have so many body doubles in the serial. Why couldn't they plan their story way ahead. I just feel that the PH came up with the idea of M&B and they just had hate marriage followed by past revelation and then remarriage. I think that is the only idea the PH came up with. Beyond that they didn't know what to do and how to handle issues. There were lot of tracks that they could have removed altogether and still could have given an crisp serial. And without the Dadi drama/miscarriage/Sheetal track they still could have given a decent Blast from the past track.
The problem is the story and the actors became much too bigger for the PH. The audience have connected to this show as never before and that was very evident in the fan following across the globe. The channel and the PH had golden goose that can lay golden eggs but their indifference ultimately killed the show. I know many still think that Barun's movie is the trigger for the downfall but it happened way before that. Actually after the first year the interest in the show from the PH was nil it seems and the PH wanted to wind up the serial in June/July itself(my friend said) and due to Barun's movie shooting it got extended. The PH said it had no tracks and hence the channel gave the idea of Bubbly/Masala Mama/Miscarriage to extend the show. I don't know how the channel and the PH misread the whole situation so bad. And LM's interview really pointed out that. The show's premise was "Mohabbhat door jaane na de, nafrat pass aane na de" and now if LMji comes and says that they wanted to go ahead with a second lead then I am happy that the show closed before it became the love story got completely butchered beyond recognization.
One thing that I also felt very evident was that Gul doesn't know ABCD of crisis management. She could have managed the whole issue in a far far better manner but all she tried to do was to paint herself clean and not taking any responsibility for anything. One simple press conference could have done the work but instead of that we used to get everyday TOI articles as to how 'Khushi will move on with Aarav's dad', and 'New man in Khushi's life' which did nothing but riled the fandom up.
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DeleteAfter reading LM's interview I thought maybe the PH would have learnt their lesson and would be better off with their new baby QH so I genuinely went to the forum to check out what is the response of the forum for this serial. I happened to read this post made by Nishi the PH girl
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3364485
Post seemed good enough until I came to the 8th page of it. What all respect I had for this PH was gone there and then itself. Why come online and talk to audience if you can't accept negative criticism. Every PH does the same work, it is not the first set of writers nor the first PH which is producing the show. If you have it in you then do a good job, Else back off rather than ridiculing the viewers and mocking their sensibilities. I hold my dignity as a viewer much higher than anything else. So need I say I am very glad Sanaya is not coming in a new show with this PH. Sanaya needs a way good PH which knows how to project their leads properly and pump them up for awards. In this case I really like Ekta - She always rallies behind the actors of her PH - be it Sushant for Jhalak or Juhi/Urvashi for Big Boss.
I do hope Sanaya comes in a good show. Nothing else is watchable right now and nothing that is definitely debatable. Looking forward to Welcome but that is a reality show so not too much hopes on it. Watching Mahadev in between due to In-laws staying with us. The dialogue delivery of everyone is bad in the show. I had to rewind each and every one's dialogue to hear clearly what they were saying. So right now I am a bhatakti atma who watches shows as and when the mood changes. None of the show's have held my interest for more than 1 week - only exception is Veera but the timings are odd. I don't have this 'oh Shit, I missed the episode - what may have happened' even in Veera. For IPK the wait for the next episode was a torture and the weekends I used to go by only with the various VMs made by Shy, zoha and others. Nothing of that sort for any of the serial now.
So what are you all people watching right now. And what else is the news ? Let me know if any serials are good enough. I will give it a shot until it holds my interest. Wow seems like I have written quite very much. In between the projects so have ample time on my hands for next 2 weeks.
Ok then
Take Care
-Sarada
Sarada, hi!
Deletegreat news that you quit the toxic situation. and good that your company takes enough care to see when something is going horribly wrong, even if it is too late.
"FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES..FOR ME IT'S JUST A SHOW ...U R ADDRESSING TO ME AS IF IT'S MY SHOW ...UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT..." was nishi's reply to some critics of the show., on page 8 of that link you posted. hence i don't want to call her the PH girl. and again, here: http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3364485&PID=72656199�
maybe she is, but after saying that, she loses credibility.
Hi Jaya,
DeleteCan't tell you how happy I am after quitting re. Bonus toh gaya samjho but I got my sanity back man. Actually mine is a very reputed company and they do have this periodic updates on the team - unfortunately the situation went very bad before the higher ups could intervene.
I am all okay with PH coming in and trying to guage the feedback. Everyone wants it. If I am doing a product, I would want to know how it is faring and no need to say that IF is a very big platform these days. People all over the globe are members on it. But the point is the way you deal with feedback. Saying things like "The PH can show whatever they want", "You people need to know difference between real and reel" and "all constructive criticism posts are bashing posts" is not the way.
If she is not connected to the PH then there is no need to vehemently deny the stuff. She can just be a normal IF member with her posts. Whatever it is like I said, I value my dignity as a viewer above everything else and that is the reason I am completely pissed off with the way 4Lions handle their shows and viewers feedback. And then there are some shows like BV which go on and do their work and the TRPs show it. None of the BV team is on social media, they stick to their premise and they are delivering. It is other thing that for us the serial is very slow moving but majority of the people are enjoying it right. They got a second lead way in the beginning of the year and slowly they weaned people from the legendary Anandi - Jagya pairing and dealt with a love story of Anandi with Shiv and see now they have moved on. That is how a PH should work. Not like a group of headless chicken who run around and scramble at the last moment. And if IPK was supposed to be Arnav - Khushi separating at the end(something that Nishi posted I think in IF on a thread "Fate vs Destiny") then they should have gotten in a second lead much earlier and not 2 months before the show was supposed to close down anyways. This scrambling at the last moment cost the PH the show and hopefully they won't do it again but you never know.
title sequence/montage
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i love it. she is flighty and he is solid..
about nishi i wonder.. she says it is not my show.. and then she says "PS Hope you liked the new montage. "
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3393676
about your last point, i think we all know that different people work differently. if the BV ppl work well, then good for them! if the IPK ppl were flighty, their loss.
I do not think any one would strive to make a bad show.. recently saw a list of shows that were on the bottom list for 2012.. and yes, some of them were pretty pathetic storylines.. but does that mean the creative teams and production teams of those shows did not care about their show? if they never came online or not, theshows tanked.. whose fault? the audience's?
btw, caught a glimpse of na bole tum .. cannot digest that girl who is playing the grown up chawanni. she looks older than her mom, and those garish pink glasses (shudder). cute on a child, NOT cute on a non-child. and really? they jumped ten years (i hope it was ten) and the heroine looks younger??? mohan and megha should have come with the plot of another story, not their own story so far in the future. even if it was season 2 like western shows, it should have jumped maybe one year, or something.. personally, without ashnoor kaur(chawanni), the story is zero for me.
Jaya,
DeleteI didn't catch Na Bole the first season around - didn't have colors in my TataSky package then. But the curiosity seems to be quite huge for the second season - maybe this is the first time an Indian serial is coming back with a season just like western shows. I would have personally liked that they continue Mohan-Megha story with the kids in the picture at least for the beginning 3-4 months so that the old audience sticks around. But no idea why they went all the way 10+ years leap for the second season. The actress who plays Megha is really beautiful. I watched Jay Soni's new show Sanskaar but didn't get attached/clicked on for me the first time around. SGP was a different ball game altogether and I was hoping they would show some problems with Jay Kishen struggling in New York. Have to give some time to these shows. Let the story unfold in them and maybe in a month time we will know what the 2 shows are really about.
I read Kinshuk's interview in TC.
http://www.tellychakkar.com/news/there-was-lot-interference-channel-zee-tv-pertaining-creative-calls-afsar-bitiya-kinshuk
Never knew that Zee TV is also an interfering channel. So seems like everyone is out there for their piece of meal and it is like winners take all and losers are left out. The problem is all of the shows try to follow the same beaten path but you have to have the zing factor in the serial for people to get hooked. I think that is the reason the shows are not becoming successful and before the creative team has a chance to rectify the wrongs, the channels are pulling the shows off air. It is a really delicate situation for any PH when they interact with the viewers and interaction should come as a positive plus from the audience towards the show and the PH. Very few PH are able to manage it and looks like this lesson 4Lions need to learn asap.
'Very few PH are able to manage it and looks like this lesson 4Lions need to learn asap.':
DeletePsarada,
I am not an IF member. So I have no clue what happens in the other shows. I thought 4 Lions was the only PH getting any feedback. If other PHs have taken audience advice and have improved their shows, I'd really like to watch those shows.
' Not like a group of headless chicken who run around and scramble at the last moment. And if IPK was supposed to be Arnav - Khushi separating at the end(something that Nishi posted I think in IF on a thread "Fate vs Destiny") then they should have gotten in a second lead much earlier and not 2 months before the show was supposed to close down anyways.':
And what would have happened then? All hell would have broken loose the moment the new guy entered.(Even an ex girlfriend could not be tolerated when she looked seemingly benign.) We would not have had the remarriage with all those beautiful romantic moments. IF would have screamed 'Gul is killing her baby, Barun is innocent' 2 months earlier. The show would have shut down 2 months earlier, without any of those beautiful remarriage sequences. I am quite happy things ended this way. IT COULD HAVE BEEN UGLIER. (AND THERE WAS NO FUTURE TO IPKKND WITHOUT BARUN OR SANAYA. It is time we all woke up to this fact.) SP, Gul and Sanaya did not know this then.
If they had known, they would have wrapped up the show very nicely with Sarun. But only Barun wanted out. The rest wanted to stay on. This was their biggest mistake- I will forgive 4 Lions for that mistake, because no one would have dreamed it would end this way. And the PH would have been the laughing stock of the town if they shut the show because a lead quit. Leads quit all the time, but the show must go on. Unfortunately, this rule is not applicable to IPK. AND IPK IS THE ONLY EXCEPTION. (QH is also fast becoming that exception- 4 Lions better watch out, esp since KSG has already talked about his BW dreams.)
See, this is the problem here. What you envisage as the perfect way to run the show may not be the most ideal way. Why are you calling only the PH headless chickens? How can be SP be let off like that? They are the ones who wanted to retain Barun at all costs (-read -compromise the story) and shut down the show. 4 Lions will get bashed no matter what. I have mentioned this before also. It is a professional hazard of the creatives. They are not on our screens. They make us fall in love with their characters and we fall in love with the actors as well.
And when something goes wrong, we blame the PH.
It is the UNIVERSAL LAW. Mothers are always to be blamed. If a child does not do well, it is the mother's fault. If the mother cannot think, cannot continue to be creative all the time and deliver 24 hours, it is her fault. Unfortunately, you cannot be creative all the time. All talented people need to take a break, some times very often. (I mentioned this last week- A writer takes years to come out with a novel even if he has started out with a clear plot in his head. You cannot expect the PH to come out with 10/10 episodes every day.)
DeleteOn Nishi- This is the woman I wanted to bash after she came out with an anti- Barun post.
Please try to understand one thing. None of these spoiler girls are spokespeople for the PH. They are there in IF on their own. They are NOT Gul's crusaders. What Nishi says is true. She is not in a situation where she can change the script even if she knows what is happening with the story. She is a part of the team, I suppose.
What is she doing in IF?
She is trying to help viewers understand the story from the story teller's POV. She wants the show to do well, because she is a part of it. But she is probably doing it on her own.
What is constructive criticism?
You can criticise the characters and their opinions, comment on the quality of the scenes. But the moment you start criticising the earlier shows...it looks plain ugly.
I used to find this with IPK VMs in YT. Geet fans used to come there and bash the PH. It looks very bad when people can't move on.
And how can you say they have not learned?
In IPK they learned to not let Khushi forgive Shyam and make her live under the same roof as Shyam- which was the major fear a lot of people had. And in QH they have learned to unravel the past bit by bit. We are given a different glimpse very week, unlike IPK where we had only one recurring FB for more than a year.
And it looks like they have a bank of at least 3 days now. So I feel the PH has learned to take the criticism and tried to improve their product.
Ah! Stephy and the TM came to truce, in the end, I think.
‘Originally posted by S.Stephy
Aah yes... I agree a more ideal and right thing would be not to jump the guns and not form opinions about certain scenes or aspects in the show but to wait and see what happens. You and the TM are right in a way about this and I can understand that you are trying to show the situation from the maker's point of view...
But I'm just trying to look at the other side of the coin... And I've been in other forums of other TV shows and I see that this happens a lot of times. Sometimes viewers just react based on what they see from episode to episode. Just to give a general eg: suppose one epi ends with the villain almost about to succeed in his evil ways and you can see some viewers going 'No, how can they let the villain get away with this, etc' and when the next epi show the villain failing, the viewers will chant praises. So these type of reactions are not very unncommon. Some people just react based on what each epi shows and some are more of the 'wait and watch' types. But no matter how their reactions turn out, they continue to watch the show regularly; its not like they hate the show. And I have to admit, there were times where I too have jumped to conclusions and there were other times where I have practiced the 'wait and watch' mantra.
PS: Just to clarify, not trying to argue about who is right or wrong... just tried looking at this from a different point of view and offered my opinion... thats all.’
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3364485&TPN=11
The most sensible posts in my opinion on that thread.
yes, that was an excellent comment.
Deletewell, anyone can be sensible.. but for a forum to come alive, there has to be a few droolers and bashers dont you think?
J!
DeleteI am not joking.
I feel like joining IF just to tell Varma Nishi to let the bashers bash. Healthy or not, constructive or destructive, they get the chaska mater running.
QH came 4 th last week after being stuck in No: 5 for weeks. They really should thank the basherz.
su, did you see this?
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and also, she is repeatedly asking for an audience reactio to the humeiraa situation. meri maano, sign up at IF!
Sarada,
DeleteHappy New Year ... nice to see you back in the new year ... and also good to know that your AD has settled down a bit. Work issues can be very worrying and cause too much tension ... needs guts to decide that enough is enough and walk out, and only later can you decide whether you made the right decision or the wrong one. Best is to tell yourself that whatever happens is for the best ... things do work out in the long run. What your family says is always the best guide - they are the ones who truly have your best interests at heart.
You really have your knife into the 4 lions PH, don't you?! :) I don't know about too many PH's, but I know that the PH of DMG also trolled online forums looking for reactions, and they were also quite sensitive to criticism ... heard that most other PH's do the same, that's probably why tracks do change in most shows, especially now with the ever-growing popularity of online forums. I personally think it's not a great idea to interact too much, or to get too defensive ... what the trolls should do is look out for the few balanced posts ... a difficult job when there are so many unbalanced ones ... and they need to have faith in their story. Which again is easier said than done, when channels are peering over their shoulders all the time and there is constant TRP pressure. It's very easy for people like us to sit back and point fingers - they should have done this or that ... everyone has their own opinion, and no two opinions are the same. How are they to decide what will work? I would never watch SNS for more than five minutes, if that ... I wanted to watch DABH and BV for the subject but got put off by the treatment and the acting in the first and by the pace in the second - yet these are among the top shows on telly today. If they took my opinion into consideration, the shows would be off air by now!
Having said that, I disagree completely about introducing second ML in IPK while Arnav was still there. What purpose would it have served? I agree with Su in this respect - the fans made an outcry the moment Sheetal appeared ... heck, they made an outcry and abused Viraf even BEFORE he made an appearance ... if he had come in during the show, they wouldn't have even given him or the story a chance - as they didn't once when they knew Barun was leaving! They were too busy spinning conspiracy yarns!
And watching Veera, I can very clearly see how they could have taken the storyline in IPK after Arnav's death, and I strongly believe it would have been gripping. So I disagree with both you and Su that there could have been no IPK without Barun and Sanaya. In fact there are quite a few FF's on the forum with stories about Arnav after Khushi's death ... so obviously many people could visualise that happen. Strangely there are none with the reverse ... probably the majority of us are still too deeply entrenched in the old-fashioned view that a woman has no right to move on after she loses her husband. Again going by Veera, I feel IPK would have gone at a similar pace ... first suspicion, resentment, then a slow growing relationship ... tolerance, grudging acceptance of support, friendship ... it could have been really good. Depending on acceptance of the new couple, it could have stayed at friendship and ended there, or gone onto a second relationship for Khushi.
Haven't watched QH (or anything much else) the last few days ... daughter left for Uni today :( so I was busy with her. Will catch up now ... son is still here so will still be erratic :)
Dia,
DeleteGood to have you back.hope you had a good holiday.
Regarding your comments on DABH, I feel it is quite regressive..I watched just few minutes of yesterday's episode and was so disgusted that I put off the tv..this Suraj is a spineless wimp and the mother a holy terror ...the message is all wrong ...in a country where the govt. is trying to promote girl education the mother is shown as belonging to fifth century and if the message isto show women power (even bhabhos husband is spineless)then it is even more stupid ( sorry for strong language ).Contast this with Nani of OPKKND who is all for Khushi working. ..the Dabba service or teaching kids and even participating in mrs.India contest....
I really wish I could write to channel , better stil, the authorities to take this regressive show ofh the air..
I agree with your comment in Veera that when a man gets married his first duty is and should be to his wife and NOT,definitely NOT to anybody else and this applies to Suraj and bhabho too otherwise don't marry..this does not mean that you neglect the parents but it means keeping a balance bet. The relationships.All mothers wish to control their sons lives should NOT get them married.
Sorry. For the rant but feel strongly on the issue of education ESP. Girl education.
Wring after a long time tho. Have been reading R&R regularly.
Thanks for this space..
Riya
Continued..
DeleteTo add insult to injury when bhabho learns about Suraj supporting his wife's ambition to study she calls him a joru ka gulam tho not in the exact words and tells him to jump in the lake and drown himself...can any mother tell her son ESP. So docile a one as Suraj to die ? I am absolutely shocked. Have the creatives been living in fifth century untouched by what this country is today when even the most backward and lowest of low castes I.e the musharsi.e the very very poor who eat mice as they can't afford anything are today trying to educate themselves even in English realising the value of education ..( the latest episode of KBC featured this most backward community in its latest epi )this was an eye opener..tho I had heard of moosa ahaar.
Sorry for the spelling mistakes.
Riya
hey riya, glad to see you! i know you have addressed the comment to dia, but being a regular reader, you will know how much i love spamming. you called dabh the most regressive show on sp..and you wish you could write to the channel against it..
Deleteyou know, you can. hello@startv.com is the email address to contact star. the BCCC has an online complaint system, here
http://ibfindia.com/guidelines.php
look to the top right of the page for the 'submit online' link.
I do not think it is regressive .. the matter of the show is very true in certain parts of the country.. even those families who will struggle to teach their daughters will happily turn a blind eye to the education of their son's wife. I have a feeling that you are unfamiliar to the pace of the serial.. wait and watch, someone or the other will convince bhabo that she is wrong.. and there will be lots of histronics before she gives her blessing to sandhya's education.
also, she is training to be a policewoman(in bhabo's eyes) and tell me honestly, even in the 'educated' parts of india, how many will agree to their DILs doing such a job?
social taboos in india is indeed a hot topic.. and you cannot simply pull everyone into the 2010's by asking them to act different.(su and I were discussing how zoya was treated by the villagers in this weeks episode of QH) the mindset has to be changed.. and i am hoping that a high TRp show like DABH or BV might bring about the change that government and education cannot.
riya, you took me there... ab bhugto
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Riya,
DeleteAdding to what J has written above, DABH is not meant for the section that understands or appreciates equality of sexes.....its meant for sections who must accept the buy-in of "conflicts solved peacefully"......Its like saying a bahu can be anything she wants to be if she has the
"blessings of the family"...I will say revolution has arrived they entertainment on TV in India if they can show a genuine conflict in such situation solved by more radical means including slanging shouting matches, if u will, a period of unease when the conflict is aired in public domain and debates ensue(i don't know what that will do for TRP etc apart from our fragile social fabric). Until then, all we can see will be the appeasement and buy-in sought from elders.
Frankly, its not a question of what is correct..its more a question of what can be achieved within the limitations in our system..Believe me, the moment u show the leads getting a bit aggressive in their pursuit, a large section of the audience will not hesitate to say "Oh...isn't she getting too ambitious"....The reason i avoid watching saas sagas is becos i am not in need of any lessons esp not the warped ones being dished out..but i have no hesitation in saying that even if it helps a small section of our society to become more confident in pursuing their dreams, i would say all this "regressive" effort would be still worth it!!
Thank you Jaya and Rekha,
DeleteI appreciate your views .the first lady police sub inspector in Delhi police way back in the 1960s was the mother of a colleague .also everybody in Delhi is familiar with the name of Kiran Bedi,a renowned police officer who was incorruptible and is associated with Anna Hazare movement.so please forgive me if I don't agree with your viewpoint that the show is not regressive..the no. Of working women today is far more than what it was in the sixtees
And in my opinion TV which has far reaching influence should show progressive ladies ...I gave the example of naniji of IPK., even Buaji had obviously worked as there is mention of getting her pension..
Jaya thanks for the addresses ..I would love to write to them but the only snag is that I don't watch the show ..I just happened to watch the first few minutes as the Promo had talked about the secret of sandhya pursuing her dream was to be revealed to Bhabho and I was curious to know her reaction and was expecting a negative approach. What I did not like was her words to Surat that he should drown himself in the lake ...I did not watch any further as this was enough to put me off.
Interestingly a friend of mine is doing social work in a village near Delhi and part of the work includes running sewing and computer classes for girls..and while there are never more than ten girls for the sewing class there are always more than fifty for computer classes even tho computer class is co ed and there are about ten boys .studyig alongside and women of the village observe long gun ghats..in front of family elders.
My point is India is changing and TV should point to progress.
Rekha you are right that they will probably show the change in thinking of Bhabho towards the end and may be I am impatient as I was for exposure of evil Shyam and for BFTP,bo.th of which were glossed over..Shyam trying to kill Anjali was never brought out, neither was Dadi made aware of the evil Shyam and to me that was what was incomplete in IPK
I do appreciate yor views.
Riya
Riya,
Deletemost shows are regressive, there is no doubt abt that...including DABH...they just can't fit in with our sensibilities...period
i was only saying that the majority of Indian audiences are perhaps in a time warp...which is why u have the usual stereotypes....there is no attempt to revolutionise....in Indian TV, if u have to do it..u have to do it the "sensitive" way.
I get the feeling from DABH, (i don't watch it), as if the lead actress is squirmy about her pursuit (i guess only partly from the point of secrecy). Her greater discomfort would be to be doing something that she has perhaps been forbidden to...I would love it if they chose to take bull by horns and break social/religious dogmas....have meaningful discourse with their elders but the sad fact remains that Indian TV will not bite that bullet..so u have this "wimpy" portrayal..
So, Riya...u r not wrong in expecting..i am just saying that our entertainment mediums will not take the revolutionary route....call it economics or call it just plain horse sense.....
Thats why i stay away from preachy serials becos i don't care for how they deliver their messages. however.if it helps them..well gud for them..if they think that married women can become police officers after appealing to the dyed-in-the wool conservatives and turning them over a new leaf, maybe its time to be delirious watching this mighty revolution even if they come in such silly doses.....
On the point of India changing....and TV having a role pointing to that...personally am little skeptical....becos we always choose the weirdest of stereotypes to show it...
Just a small aside.. the MIL in DABH is a terror by all accounts of what little i have seen of her, her righteousness be damned. I can only feel sorry for a woman who would have to manage a relationship with such a conservative person...
In a similar way, i was shocked to come upon the knowledge that the Sathiya serial's MIL Kokiklaben is being portrayed as a righteous woman (i had all along thot that she was a vamp)...my sympathies with anyone who had such a woman for an MIL... my apologies if i have misread the serial or its protagonist.
So my point is unless TV chooses a more intelligent way to put across any of its social messages i can't take it seriously.
Followed the above discussion with interest ... I agree with Rekha to a large extent. It's a question of perception and the way we were brought up, which determines how we relate to such shows. And for most of us on forums like this one, we already have the advantage of being brought up in circumstances where women don't have to fight for the right to education or careers. It's far more accepted, even is a matter of course. In my family - and I'm guessing the same for most of us here - it was never under question whether my brother and I would receive the same education, it was taken for granted that we would. Neither was it thought that his career needed to be planned, while I would 'get married and settle down' ... both our career paths were equally important. And when I say equally, I mean EQUALLY - both of us followed professional career paths, and I was never pressured to get married till I was well and ready. Fortunately for me, even my in-laws were similar, and never questioned my choice or right to work. Maybe not fortunately- that was my condition for marriage, so I would never have married into a family that thought I should sit at home and look after the kids.
DeleteBut in many homes in India, in fact the majority, this is not the norm. And while educated girls are more accepted now, but many families still feel that the girl's primary duty is home and children, and if she wants to follow her career, she is termed "Ambitious" - Ambitious in a girl is a negative attribute, while in a guy is a positive one. And these double standards hold sway in almost every household in India, maybe to varying extents, but they do.
So it's those mindsets that are being addressed by shows like DABH ... I don't relate to the show, because for me, if my MIL dared to interfere in my career, I would tell her it was none of her business ... but I do relate to the dreams and ambitions of the girl (even though they are portrayed in such a wishy-washy manner!) That's why I said I wanted to watch the show, but because of the way they show it, I can't relate. Basically they are starting off at a different level than where many of us here are ... we want to see a woman actually juggling home and work, deciding her priorities - because that's where we are ... while the level DABH is at is far lower - a woman fighting for her right to an education and career in the first place. Which is not even an issue for most of us. We're lucky in that respect. But many women in India are not - they are allowed to work only because the family needs the additional income, and if it doesn't, the general comment is - "oh, but why does she need to work? Her husband earns enough." Not getting the point that a woman wants to work because she enjoys working, being independent, being herself at her work place, not only wife and mother, which is what she is everywhere else. Her own identity, in other words - her self-respect - and that of her family and kids. My kids love the fact that I work, they are proud that their mom is in demand among family and friends, it builds respect for their mom in their eyes as well, and is also a good role model for both sons and daughters.
There is a exact opposite situation in a new serial Housewife Hai.. Sab Janti Hai. It is a fun one, where reporter Sona marries Chulbul Pandey wanna be and his mom want her 40K salary every month. This girl says she want to be a house wife instead. Mother in law discouraging her in that. Still a new serial but sounds funs with Suhasi (my fav. from Nach Baliye5)
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anyone caught grey's anatomy today? mc dreamy is taking a break from surgeoning, and his look.. beard,hair and all.. awww i thought of sobti. guess he is my version on mc dreamy then.
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sarada, every channel has people in the creative team of its shows.. now the exact type of meddling is different depending on personality of the team, yet i am sure they tend to change the story or whatever according to industry feedback. that is why TRP is so important, even though it is only a thin slice of the total audience.
yesterday, i read reports that QH made it into top 10. http://www.india-forums.com/tellybuzz/wassup/13754-trp-and-grp-ratings-week-2.htm
the TRP chart on IF shows QH at 12th place, but i think the general young population is now watching zee more.. because there is nothing with a fast pace or eye candy on SP or colors.. yes, i know MB and veera are exceptions.. and housewife is fast picking up..
but as far as i can see, a responsive PH can have more responsive audience because there will be more hype for the show online.. (like i first stumbled upon IPK... i saw it, wanted to know the story, googled it.. and yes, there was stuff to get involved in. )
and 4L is pretty good with their finger on the pulse, even if they try mercurial changes to their show because of that. i wont forget our shiddats.
they do get defensive when they are excessively bashed, but then who wont?
Actually for the time being I am sticking only to games. Definitely yesterday's India-England match was too good and also HIL(Hockey India League) is on air and definitely would try to catch more of the hockey matches.
DeleteIPK I think was one of the kind which came, conquered everyone and then was gone leaving a void. The only other serial I really felt bad when going off was SGP - at least the serial was awesome till the creatives were faithful to the original bengali serial.Sometimes try to catch MB and Veera - both have not deviated too much from the proposed storyline till now. Looking forward to what the creatives have in plan for Veera once she grows up but that doesn't seem to be the case for some more time as the children are performing too good and the TRPs are also stable for the show. Just hope SP doesn't butt in for this show in hopes to raise the TRPs higher.
And MB is also awesome given that VD is almost out for 2-3 weeks but still the story is being handled very good - like loops being closed before moving on to the next level and mostly the shooting has been done it seems earlier itself(when VD was available). Yesterday's episode where RK and his mom patch up was done good - slow and at good pace. And anyway once my new project starts, it would be back to the same grind for me so I may not have time again for the new shows. That is how I intend to watch - watch till it interests me and move on and watch only to relax and unwind.
DeleteMB bores me ... reminds me of a bad Bollywood movie of the 80's. The temple scene with RK and his mom, where she randomly breaks into a lullaby when he says mom, I'm tired, I want to sleep had me laughing! Although that song is beautiful.
The scene between Madhu and Dipali was better ... Dipali is a good actress, and it was nice for once to see the heroine not acting dumb, but giving it back to the vamp. Rest - didn't watch, didn't hold my interest. The acting varies - yesterday I felt that Drashti and the girl playing Dipali were good, RK and his mom were bad. Didn't catch the new episode. Nor did I manage to catch NBT.
Veera, on the other hand, continues to hold my interest.
Agree about SGP, that was another show I enjoyed for the longest time ... loved the Badi maa and the family scenes and Suhana's idiocy was funny in small doses. I used to mute a lot of the Ishaan-Suhana parts towards the end and only watch the family scenes, they were good. Haven't caught Jay Soni's new show yet - anybody seen it?
Dia,
DeleteI don't even know why I try to follow a serial for more than 2 days straight. The day before MB was okay and yesterday it felt like I was watching a Manmohan Desai movie(the standard storyline of people missing and reuniting).
Actually the confession between MB and RK, I expected it to be more of a firecracker - it was very pale, don't know if the chemistry was not there or the dialogues was not up to mark - there was something missing when Madhu and RK had the talk about trust and love. Did anyone feel that or maybe I am still going with BS-SI chemistry. I was comparing to the scene where ArHi meet the first time when he is kidnapped. The way Arnav says - Tum Theek ho and Khushi says no and just runs into his arms. There was no words, no dialogue no lamba bhashan done but it conveyed that both the love birds are meant to be together. Didn't feel that in MB. By the first break my interest started to go and finally I closed it off and seems like there was more of RK - Madhu scene in the end of the episode.
Chalo, I am better off without TV then. First SGP was the serial I got really hooked too in SP - used to love the Badi maa character and Supriya was suited to T(Used to love her when she came in a comedy serial with Reema Lagoo Tu Tu Main Main about Saas-Bahu relationship) and it is in one of the ad breaks I saw the first mahaepisode promo of the guesthouse scene(I used to catch the IPK initial promos but only liked the last promo) and that mahaepisode promo was fire and I mean a 440V jhatka and for the first time I caught the whole mahaepisode without moving from the sofa. Breathtaking really and then on the weekend I saw all the 30 episodes at a stretch and fell in love. So I used to have recorder on for 7:30 - 8:30 flat on and used to really relax for that 1 hour. Really miss those days.
Anyways, we are going on a vacation - just Tirupathi for a family ceremony and then some other temples in Tamil Nadu(Kanchi and Rameshawaram) and then when I am back it would be new project and new training and new team. So I guess this is the way I get de-addicted from TV and go on in AD then.
Chalo guys enjoy your time. If I return to TV I will drop by.
-Sarada
i have to say i like 'packed to the rafters' on star world.. it is an indian soap, in australian skin. loving what i've seen so far.
ReplyDeleteOK. Enough of supporting the PH.
ReplyDeleteTime for some 'constructive criticism'.
But first, good news for LM fans. (Don't think there are any here for the man, but we all love his work.). He has joined QH. So poof goes the LM- Arshad fallout theory. They are both co- directing now. And Gul seems to have bid adieu to the director's cap - I think she is taking a break. This means she is probably planning that new show on Life OK.
*shiddat* May good things happen to good people.
Criticism: I am OK with the time tested 'lost in the village' track. I don't mind the repetition at all. I feel they are doing a decent job repeating themselves.
But this:
Zoya is trying to start a convo with the villagers in the tractor- she gets only stares in response. I was LOL with Surbhi's over friendliness and the blank expressions on the kid's face. What I found deplorable was the bg score of domestic animals. Every time they focussed on the child, there was a goat bleating or a cow mooing or a cock crowing...it was not nice. I get it was meant to be a joke. I really wish people wouldn't lose their sensitivity when they make comedy.
LOL su i was thinking the opposite.. i mean, she was indeed speaking to them.. was it that difficult for someone to respond? portrayed india's villagers in a totally unfunny light. at least a question about her wearing mens clothes.. her walking around unescorted.. someone lending her a blanket to escape the cold.. there was a long time of footage.. enough and time for any of these!
Deleteand dont tell me a cotton saree materialized out of thin air, for her to use as blanket!
yes, i get that it was funny, she was among farm people.. who understood nothing of yuppie NRIs.. either the scene was dragged too long, or the dialogues were edited out.
J,
DeleteTo me, that was the excellence in the scene. This is EXACTLY how village people in the interiors of our country behave.(He he..I know because I have been at the receiving end of these stares. I was having a soul sister moment with Zoya there.) For all you know, they might be speaking a dialect and Zoya's polished hindi is alien to them. The men refused to talk. And the women really treated her like an alien- just stares. And the kid- giggles a bit, looks at her mom... and continues staring...Perfect! And Zoya went off to sleep very soon (Ah! She took medicines for her cold...sedative..details!), so there was no question of them opening up further. It was directed very well. I bet they picked up a random kid off the road and told her to be herself!
Veera ... Ranvi and Ratan - it's a toss up who's the better actor! Both are awesome. Little Veera is a firecracker - tells Ratan if you have to scold my veerji, do it gently! And does the situps and kaan pakad just because veerji is doing them, no clue why! As fiercely protective of her big brother as he is of his little sister.
ReplyDeleteRatan is beautiful ... her almost-breakdown that she's not so bad, she got a silk dupatta for Veera and she was going to embellish it herself, but her own son doesn't trust her ... the scene where Ranveera dow the situps and she almost but not quite smiles ... Ranvi catches her, and she firms her face again. Great acting from both. Shagufta Ali is beautiful - the actress and the character. Loved the dialogues between Kartar-Gurpreet - yes, she has the right to demand that she come first in his life, she's his wife ... and for him, his respect for his bhabhi Ratan is unwavering, and he will never shy away from his duty towards her.
Missed Nihal today ... the tangled relationships here give an idea of how IPK could have gone post Arnav's death, with Khushi struggling to manage the entire Raizada family, and support from a mysterious stranger with his own agenda.
Dia,
DeleteVeera is the most captivating show on T.V. these days. I struggle to keep awake to catch it and am never disappointed. Agree that the acting of the two playing Ratan and Ranvi are superb. In fact the entire cast does a commendable job on a strong srcipt with able direction. I doubt the IPK creative team would have done justice to the scenario post Arnav's death because they blew up on all their big tracks be it blast from the past or the whole didi ki saut. They failed to bring up the dynamics between the various characters after giving us a few glimpses of what could have been. Continuity and consistency in characters were seriously missing as they turned all serious scenes into frivolous ones sooner than later. It is to Barun's and Sanaya's credit that they took their characters beyond the script and projected sensitivity despite all the glaring loop holes and inconsistencies.
Now that is where Veera stands out. The way they have shown Ratan's character graph is really touching. Even the Gurpreet-Kartar relationship has been handled with so much sensitivity.
I stopped watching QH two weeks ago and don't miss it. Good that there is Na bole to fill that time slot for me. I find it much more intriguing. Loved season 1 till they brought in the other woman. Although Mohan-Megha relationship was left unpolluted by it, I somehow could not digest that track. Lost touch with the show after that. Looks like Mohan is in some way responsible for Addhu's missing and is trying to atone for it.
Opti,
DeleteI feel that 4 lions would have done justice to the build up of the Sanaya-Viraf track, because of Arshi. They took their time over the build up of the Arshi story, so much so that now I feel slightly surprised at the rush to confession in all other shows on telly ... the Arshi build up was done so well that everything else pales in comparison. Where 4 lions fails very regularly is the climax ... both the Shyam exposures were handled really badly, and so was the pathetic Masala Mama one. The only good track end was the Lavanya track, that one was handled beautifully. Bubbly was also badly handled, ut they did make up for it slightly at the end.
And now we know that BFTP and Shyam were both wrapped up quickly because of factors other than simple story telling. That does not absolve the PH of blame in the ending of the Shyam track for sure - they still could have done it much better ... but for the BFTP, I am willing to give them some leeway.
I am simply loving Ratan's character graph - very sensitively etched. The nice thing in Veera is that most of the characters are positive and very real, with their own insecurities and issues, but that doesn't make them outright bad. Except for Bansuri chachi and her son, of course ... but the rest are all very watchable and relateable. I like the Kartar-Gurpreet relationship as well. Again the director's touch - I remember the way he handled very sensitive relationships in Maryada - exemplary. I loved the characterization of Gaurav there - a thorough gentleman. Here again, we have some characters whose nobility shines through in ordinary everyday situations. Just ordinary people doing the best they can in extraordinary circumstances.
Haven't seen more of NBT after the first episode. Will catch up with it. Yes, Addu has gone missing ... Megha and Mohan have not aged at all, that's the only complaint I have so far. Why make it a 10-12 year leap if they look exactly the same? They look younger than Nanhi!
Dia,
DeleteI doubt they would have done justice to the Sanaya-Viraf track because the track itself was an after thought to keep the show on for just another 2-3 months. It was to wrap- up by Jan or Feb. Their disinterest in the show was pretty visible by the shoddy tracks we have been having post Arnav's return. Now which PH will say the show has run its course and ask for ideas from the audience (and show exactly what the audience don't want to see?). If Sanaya-Viraf were to star in another show of theirs maybe we can expect them to do full justice to the love story but I doubt they would have done the same in this show which has already seen better days.
In a way it is good that they wound it up before butchering the characters because if they had not taken a significant leap, showing Khushi falling in love so soon after Arnav's death would have belittled Arshi's love story. As to showing Khushi cope with the loss, this PH would have tought time handling it because their emotional scenes don't last mroe than a week. So you cannot expect the gradual coming out of the grieving that we got to see in Veera. Without that measured transition, again Khushi's character would have taken a beating. This PH's forte is love story and in IPK there was just not enough time to show two love stories.
I agree with your comments on Veera and NBT. Loved what you said here about Veera." Just ordinary people doing the best they can in extraordinary circumstances." There are very few people in the real world who are snow white or jet black. Most are grey, some less grey than others. Sometimes circumstances bring out the best in a person and sometimes, the worst but everytime there is a learning. The one who is able and willing to learn, grows and the one who doesn't, gets stunted.
DeleteI also love the way they bring out the differences in perceptions leading to difference is actions. This was brought out beautifully in the scene where Ratan asks Moti chaiji how she is able to accept Veera so readily and she replies that she is able to do so because unlike Ratan who sees in the little girl, her dead mother and her own husband's betrayal, she sees her as her chotte chand's beloved sister. So she is able to love her as much as she loves chotte chand.
And who can miss out on the innocence of the kids who can teach more than a lesson or two? Their simplicity, trust and unconditional acceptance is so enduring. As one grows up we lose the ability to trust and accept people at face value. The scene where Nihal was introduced was typical. Little Veera trusts him immediately when he tells her that he was her father's friend and offers him lassi. Ranvi, the older one, is a little more skeptical but he too comes around with Nihal giving a few more details. The one to be most suspicious is Ratan. Sometimes it is good to be on guard and not too naive but sometimes it could be to the detriment of one's own self. that is where judgment plays a role and not everyone is a good judge of characters.
I missed those episodes :( the one with the Moti chaiji-Ratan talk and Nihal's introduction. Will try to find them online. But on the whole, am loving the show - the acting, the characterization, the direction, the pace ... everything.
DeleteSu,
ReplyDeleteOn your statement "In IPK they learned to not let Khushi forgive Shyam and make her live under the same roof as Shyam- which was the major fear a lot of people had."
I would disagree. They showed Khushi personally bring back Shyam for Anjali's sake. This after she knew the guy had tried to kill her husband. They even made her tell Arnav that maybe Shyam has changed and he feels as much for the loss of the baby as they do. Good they retained Shyam as the villian and exposed him. So it is not so much as Khushi not forgiving Shyam (because she had when she brought him back) but Shyam continuing to be the villian which ensured that this track was not as grotesque as what they did in Geet but Khushi's character took a beating in that scene (at least for me).
I agree with Opti ... the Khushi who didn't tell Anjali the truth about her husband mainly because she feared what it would do to Arnav, then allowed Shyam to re-enter the house when she knew he was a threat to Arnav's life ... that was completely out of character for Khushi. I feel they did it to retain Arnav's character at the expense of Khushi's ... it would have been far more plausible for Arnav to struggle between wanting to get Shyam back for Di, and not wanting to because of Khushi, and then finally giving in for Di's sake ... but they chose to destroy Khushi instead. I don't think Khushi forgave Shyam though ... it was more like she brought him back for Di's mental health, and a hope that he might have reformed. However, even that was bad enough.
Delete'then allowed Shyam to re-enter the house when she knew he was a threat to Arnav's life ...':
DeleteDia,
'we had endless discussions on this back then also. So, i don't think I can convince you all about this.
I did not have any problem with it, actually.
First of all, Shyam did not behave like a typical villain. Even when he pursued Khushi, he behaved like a stalker. He had to have Khushi at all costs. He bewildered her with his actions. Even when he had the opportunity to touch her, he never did. He did not demand a hug or a kiss from her to prove her loyalty to him. If it was just a sexual attraction that would have showed. The maximum he did was parade around semi naked in her room.
At the end of the kidnap track, when he admonished her for 'cheating' on him, he really believed in what he was saying. So it was not just the money or her body, he wanted to possess her soul too. His actions were that of a lover, spurned.Forget the fact that he tried to kill her husband, he almost got her killed too.
Why did Khushi forget this when she allowed Shyam in?
1. She witnessed the hospital scene where Shyam came begging, "Saale saab, humein maaf kijiye, woh hamari bhi rajkumari thi." Now, that line is enough to melt any woman's heart. Khushi had just seen the mother break down and lose her mind. Now she is seeing the father of the very same child- he is a cheat, he is capable of murder...but a man who feels so much for his lost child..does he deserve a second chance? Has he not received enough punishment by way of God taking away the life of his unborn child? That too, a child that was born as a miracle when all hope had been given up. Even the most heinous murderer breaks down in front of his child. And Khushi knows the pain of losing a loved one only too well. She knows it can be a life- altering experience for any one. Even then, she only suggested it to Arnav. She did not press him on it.
She walked in to a trap. Shyam made sure he visited Anjali and wanted Khushi to see that he had brought about the change in Anjali.
When Khushi looks at a retreating Shyam, she sees a repentant sinner ( a very vile one), who has accepted the punishment meted out for his sins and wants to help his weak wife move on. He had started thinking beyond his own self. Now when you are a person who wants too see only the good in the world, you are gullible too. That was all Khushi was.
And if you remember, she apologised for her actions too, after the remarriage. She wished she had not brought him back. She accepted it was a mistake.
In a MUCH MUCH SMALLER SCALE,I am reminded of the Mrs. India track and Sheetal track. There too, Khushi was gullible- she believed Sheetal because she seemed nice, she started giving out ideas for the pageant- ASR was quick to spot the dirty tricks. Even after the Sheetal track, where she came out with the statement that she was fooled easily, she repeated child like trust in the Mrs. India too. That does not mean she is a fool. She simply likes to see only good.It is definitely not the ideal thing to do as a heroine; but then, Khushi lived by her own rules all the time. She believed Devi Maiya would deliver her from all evil.
'Good they retained Shyam as the villian and exposed him. So it is not so much as Khushi not forgiving Shyam (because she had when she brought him back) but Shyam continuing to be the villian which ensured that this track was not as grotesque as what they did in Geet but Khushi's character took a beating in that scene (at least for me).'
DeleteYes, Opti. This is what I was referring to also. There was no need to fear Gul would make Khushi forgive Shyam in the LONG RUN and make him and Anjali live happily ever after. Because IN THE LONG RUN, Khushi punished Shyam. I mean, a story cannot go only up all the time. It has to have ups and downs. Sometimes the villain has to win too. When I know he is going to lose in the end, I enjoy the story as it comes.
The fear that Khushi would turn out to be like Geet was unfounded.
Sigh...And anyway, what is the point in defending or accusing when we all know this was not the story Gul had in her mind. I am pretty sure she had a plan on how BFTP should go- I think kidnap was never supposed to happen, Shyam was not supposed to expose himself as murderer to Khushi...so many things went wrong, yet they kept us going. And most importantly, totally agree with you on this, Dia.
Delete"the Arshi build up was done so well that everything else pales in comparison. Where 4 lions fails very regularly is the climax ... both the Shyam exposures were handled really badly,"
All this happened after the kidnap. The bloody thing was not supposed to happen. aaarghh....
Su, actually I agreed with you to some extent back then, and I agree now. Khushi was always gullible, always ready to believe that there was good in people and give them a chance to reform.
DeleteThe only thing I felt was that knowing that Shyam had tried to KILL Arnav, should have made it difficult for Khushi, if not impossible to take the risk again of letting Shyam back into the house. Because Arnav always came first for her, even beyond Di.
In fact, her first suggestion to Arnav was only to let them meet ... even when she brought him back, it was unclear whether it was only to let them meet once, and Anjali pre-empted Arnav's decision by assuming he was allowing Shyam to actually stay on. If they had played it that way, it would have been more acceptable - for me, at least.
Ah well, semantics ... we can argue on this forever ... we can also argue on the proposed future track of Sanaya-Viraf forever ... as I still feel 4 Lions would have done that well :) ... but it's all water under the bridge now. So I am enjoying Veera and letting my imagination take me to a very pleasant place where I imagine a parallel story of Sanaya-Viraf under similar circumstances.
"Kidnap ... the bloody thing was not supposed to happen .. aargh!"
Agree with you there again ... but then, from LM's interview, things started going wrong in November, so even Payash wedding was not supposed to happen so soon. So blame SP and Barun's movie equally ... SP more than Barun actually, they always had the upper hand.
*thinking* now do I really want Sanaya back on SP with a 4 lions show? Considering that if it becomes a hit, then SP will play big uncle again? Or has SP learned its lesson now? Judging from Kaali's TRP's, I hope so ... I get vicarious pleasure every time I see Kaali under 1.0 :)))
'Anjali pre-empted Arnav's decision by assuming he was allowing Shyam to actually stay on.':
DeleteYes, Dia. I agree.I think this was what it was supposed to be.(Especially considering the way Shyam was shunned by the whole family- no one had forgiven him) But they did not emphasise on it much. By then, the tracks were rushed. Everyone was sick and tired of Anjali and Shyam...I think the scriptwriter would have got an ultimatum to finish off Shyam once and for all soon. I always felt Shyam was intended to be there till the end, he was not supposed to be exposed. He had more villainy to him yet. I think the problem was that, he had been too negative to be let off that easily every time.(But that was why I relaxed about Shyam- I felt he was too much of a villain to be forgiven in the blink of an eye in the END.)
Sanaya- Viraf in IPK...I am not sure it would have worked like Veera. In Veera, the story is about the children. They take up all the scren time. Ratan has all the time in the world to move on. With IPK, Khushi would have mourned for a month maximum, even that would have been quite painful to watch. And we'd still be mourning, watching every lovely VM made on them. The audience simply would not have moved on. It is entirely to their credit that they built up the love story perfectly. (Barun said it- Gul should be proud that her product evoked such extreme reactions from the viewers.)
If it had ended the QSQST way, with both of them dying and Sanaya as their daughter...that'd have been bearable at least.
All those love stories where the other half moves on...it usually starts with separation. So the audience knows you are not supposed to hold on to the couple. In case of IPK, we were shown a love story blossoming over 18 months and to snatch it away suddenly- it would have been too painful.
I agree with you that they'd have made a perfect job of it. The trps would surely have fallen for a couple of months, but it would have picked up. But SP (and the PH) would have had a headache on their hands forever. A section of the audience would have never forgiven them.
Su, the last bit is what I feel tipped the balance ... the knowledge that if they continued the show with Viraf, the emails and hysteria would never die down, and the headache was just not worth it. Even if the TRP's picked up or stayed stable, but the negativity surrounding the show would continue, and calls for Barun to "return" or be "brought back" would never end. Doesn't help that the man himself never made his position clear at any time ... even now he says he didn't leave for movies, but just signed one immediately after the show ended. So then Gul and SP would have been blamed for not doing enough to bring him back, regardless of Barun screaming himself blue in the face that he doesn't want to do TV for some time.
DeleteLeap would probably have been the only alternative acceptable to most ... don't know why they didn't go with it. Ah well, water under the bridge ... once Sanaya is back with a good fiction show, we can all move on ... till then we will all keep coming back to the same thing! Good thing Veera is engaging my attention more and more - I always love shows with conflicting emotions, and this one has the bonus of being well written and well acted. A complete pleasure to watch - whenever it gets heavy, the innocence of the kids brings back the smiles.
Veera - when Moti Chaiji prays to Rabji to either bring Sampooran back or give her a sign, I was wondering if Nihal would appear ... and lo and behold, he did! So that's where the story is going to go.
ReplyDeleteNihal saves Veera from falling into the puddle :))) and hands her back to Ranvi to look after.
Ranveera's innocent joy to see their Beeji dancing so happily after so many years :))) The purity of the children's emotions - beautiful! Nihal looking at Ratan dancing, his face inscrutable ...
Veera and her questions for her Moti Chaaaiji :D LOVE their relationship!
Veera says her Beeji is very very 'khaas' ... aww! The little girl senses the difference in the way she is treated and her brother is treated by her Beeji, and she hungers for that same maternal love, without the least bit of jealousy or resentment that her brother gets it so naturally.
Dia, this is what I love about this show, the sheer innocence of little children. In Bible Jesus says that unless one becomes like little children one cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. As you rightly pointed out, Veera senses she is being treated differently but does not resent her brother for it. Instead she doubles her efforts to win over her mom and she seems to be succeeding in it too because Ratan is finding it increasingly difficult to ignore her presence. She also shows that craving for affection with Kartar who despises the kid for what her mother did to him.
DeleteI think Sampooran is dead and Nihal may have come to give the news to the family but overhearing Ratan's conversation with Chaiji where she says that she cannot imgaine life without him and would rather live in the hope that he will be back someday than be told that he is no more, Nihal moves away from the place without saying anything. I do not know if Nihal had a hand in his death (maybe he had inadvertantly caused an accident or something) or he happened to be around when the dying man asked him to take care of his family when he is gone.
I am liking season 2 of NBT although I don't like the grown up nanhi. The actress is too old and looks nothing like the younger version. They are handling a delicate issue - the mental and emotional problems between children and step parents. This PH is really good. They take up sensitive issues and give it the treatment it deserves. The only time I was put off with their tracks was when the Mohan-Riddhima track was playing in season 1. They realised their folly and more than made up in the touching track which had a bed-ridden Megha who attempts to kill herself inorder to spare Mohan and the kids the trouble of taking care of her. The season concluded with her miraculour recovery stage managed by Mohan. I hope they will not disappoint me in this season 2. If they stick to what they are best at, exploring human dynamics in family relationship, I'm sure I'll love the show.
Opti,
DeleteThat was a touching piece I watched.
When Kartar's wife offers her the money, Veera refuses. This woman actually likes Veera and even accused Ratan that she did not deserve any child at all for the way she treated Veera. But Veera has no affection for her, because she had seen her mother crying because of this woman. And she refuses to take the money from her even when Ranvir urges her.
On the other hand, she craves for Kartar's attention- she knows he has been nice to her mother and her brother. But Kartar cannot accept little Veera.
Kind of focussed on Kartar and his wife in that episode- it is easy for Kartar to expect his wife to understand his relationship with Ratan, when he has not yet forgiven Sampooran, the woman and Veera. They are all humans after all.
A very nicely balanced show. And I have a feeling it will continue to rock. SP has a sure winner in their hands.
Sampooran is likely dead, that was what the actor had said in an interview a month back when his contract expired.
I too think that Sampooran is dead ... I read the actor's interview.
DeleteIt could either be that Nihal was instrumental in his death, or was around when he died, and Sampooran charged him with the responsibility of either giving the news to his family, or taking care of his family, depending on how responsible (or not) Nihal was for his death ...
or Nihal is related to Amrita, Veera's real mother, and is here to look for his dead sister's child ... maybe he did not know that his parents kicked her out or found out that she was sick and that's why she ran away from her wedding, or something like that ...
But either way, I think Nihal does know that Sampooran is dead.
Intriguing ... quite a few possibilities. The show is slowly and steadily picking up, I think it will do well too. But honestly, am not too worried about that - as long as it gets decent TRP's and is not pulled off. Don't need it in the top 10 or anything. At 10.30 pm, it's competing with BALH mainly ... what shows on Zee and Colors at the same time?
Answering my own question - Veera is leading in its time slot. The competing shows are BALH on Sony, Punar Vivah on Zee and Parichay on Colors. So Veera is safe for some time - it's doing well.
DeletePV can pick up any time. Veera should be fine if they maintain the same quality. The thing is, I watch the show ONLY for the children. I am not even interested in the story. I am not sure if they can sustain the popularity once the kids grow up. The grown-up Veera and Ranvir have to work really hard to match up to the kids.
DeleteParichay- should have shut down months back. Don't know why they are dragging it on. The thing with Ekta is she makes stupid leaps and twists, but once the story settles after an implausible twist in the tale- the script goes well. Her actors are decent too. It is like you have to turn a blind eye to the horrible inconsistencies for a time period. The same thing happened in BALH with the separation track. Once that idiocy was done with, the show looked good.
The lead actress (Parichay) had an accident recently- a serious one, I read. She will be out of action for sometime. She has gone 'man- missing' in the show. Hope she gets well soon.
PV was doing well, I don't know when and why it dipped.
DeleteVeera - I love the kids, but I like the other interwoven stories as well, and am enjoying watching them unfold. I do wish though that they had a prettier actress for Ratan, especially if they are planning to give her a love interest. She is is great actress, but not for a love story. Am guessing that's not on the cards, the main story will only be Ranveera, and Nihal will be there only to sort out the true story behind Veera. But yes, the test will be to sustain when the kids grow up, right now they are the scene stealers.
I heard about the lead actress of Parichay having an accident - they were thinking of replacing her because apparently the accident was quite bad - she can't work for maybe a year. There was even talk of shutting down the show. Haven't watched it at all, so no opinions on the matter :)
I am glad that they picked Sneha Wagh for the role of Ratan. She fits the part and does a superb job. I have seen very few actresses who are able to convey subtle emotions ao effortlessly as she is able to. The split second where she transits from one expression to the next is simply amazing.
DeleteShe has gained quite a bit of weight since I last saw her in Jyothi where she played a dancer married to a blind guy. Her plumpness fits the character of a rural punjabi mother. I wouldn't mind seeing a love story play out for her. It is not necessary that shows should focus on only good looking slim couples falling in love but as you said the focus is mostly going to be on Ranveera and I simply love these two. After they grow up, I hope they get equally good actors to play the roles.
Ratan fits the character all right, and she has a pretty face ... but I do feel that actresses should look after their weight. I felt that even when she was romancing Sampooran - weight adds years to your age, and on screen, the camera adds a few kilos as it is. So while I enjoy her acting, for a love story, I would prefer it if she was slimmer ... I like seeing good looking people romancing on screen. Am shallow that way :) Besides, Nihal is good looking!
DeleteBut I don't think they will show a Ratan-Nihal romance. I think the kids will grow up and it will be their adult lives in focus. Again the feminist in me feels bad ... why should a woman have to live her life alone if her husband leaves her? Sampooran made the mistake that changed all their lives - added to which, he then left her. What is Ratan's fault in all this? She's the one suffering the most.
But on Indian telly, and especially on Star Plus, they won't show it.
Sorry, I don't agree with you Dia. Actresses come in all shapes and sizes just as real people do. While I have always been on the skinny side all my life (it is only after I crossed forty that I have put on a little weight and look normal), I have my sympathies for people who are unable to lose weight. Since I've seen a slimmer Sneha, I wonder whether she has gained weight to fit the part. Even if she hasn't, I would'nt mind seeing a mature romance play out for her (although I doubt it). As long as plump girls don't wear skimpy clothes and make themselves look vulgar, I don't mind seeing them.
DeleteI find Nihal (Kapil) OK looking, nothing great although he does have a good physique.
Opti, I'm not talking about actresses in general, but lead actresses. I find the newer generation looks after their weight so much more than the older - earlier we had heroines like Hema Malini, Raakhee and the like, who became plump very early and remained so ... then came Zeenat Aman, Parveen Babi who changed the norm. Rekha started off as plump and then groomed herself and looked so much better later. And now of course, they are all very careful ... except for actresses like Vidya Balan who actually go out to put on weight for their roles - like Dirty Picture, she was asked to put on weight for it and she did. But she promptly shed it for her next movie. If you're in the glamour business, then you do owe it to your profession to look after yourself - more so than in any other field. Of course Sneha looks completely the part here, but I saw a mature romance play out in Maryada with Devyani (forget her real name) - the lady was beautiful and graceful, and definitely not pencil slim! Nihal is okay in terms of looks, agree with you there - since he is tall and has a good physique, he looks good on screen.
DeleteYes, lots of women find it difficult to lose weight ... and I have all my sympathies with them too. And if they're healthy, it doesn't matter - the problem arises if overweight is associated with poor health, or bad eating habits. Sometimes it's a matter of body type, and you can't do anything about it. As long as you're healthy, it's your own business, as long as you look neat and well-groomed.
I've been the opposite for most of my life as well ... I was always underweight and struggled to put on any weight at all. And I hated it, because I was prone to syncopal attacks - and because I felt I never looked good in any clothes, I was too thin. My pregnancies helped me to put on weight ... and I'm happy about it.
From a viewer who started watching IPK right around the kidnapping track and hadn't read any of the detailed analysis - the kidnapping track was not that jarring. It seemed to flow with the current theme of the show. Granted it got boring towards the end but for viewers who weren't following the news, I didn't know that the kidnapping track was primarily to accomodate the lead's absence until much later. That said, I am sure the story could have been much different but, personally, they completely lost it after the kidnapping. The slap-ate should have never happened. I kept hoping that Arnav would believe Khushi but still pretend to hate her to bring out the true colors of Shyam. Followed by Anjali's realization that the other woman in her life is "the" woman in her chote's life. It was an awesome setup that the writers totally missed the boat on.
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Very true, Isha ... have to give it to the cv's, they did manage the kidnapping track very well for the most part. It was planned out and paced well, and the reason it got boring towards the end was that it was supposed to end about two weeks earlier, but Barun was called back for more shooting for his movie, so they had to extend it. This I got from the Barun-Gul interview.
DeleteBut after that, they totally lost the plot ... there should have been a huge regret and remorse track from Arnav, and they just went totally off at tangents with DKL. Barun was still shooting for his movie till end July, so his availability was less - maybe that's why they went with a Di-centred track, but he was around enough to have done a RTR, they could have used tons of flashbacks to fill out the scenes. We all kept hoping during the entire three day showdown with Shyam that Arnav Khushi had planned something outside, but that was the biggest let down. He just said - Di, I trust Khushi ... and nothing further at all - neither to Di nor to the rest of the family, except to Nani. That was when Arnav's shatir dimaag truly went missing for good. Or rather, the cv's writing brain did. And they never managed to really salvage the show after that ... it just ran on Arshi chemistry from then on till the end.
QH:
ReplyDeleteMahasangam with PV: It would have been an excellent episode if it was limited to one hour cutting all the crap they showed in Rashid's house. I don't mind the plot of Ayan- Humeiraa marriage, but the acting was rterrible. 3 actors really stood out for terrible acting- Ayan, Humeira and Nussat. It was horrible. I feel they were not allowed any retakes too, with the CVs concentrating on Asad- Zoya. Now that bit was quite nicely done. I feel it would have been better to center it on Asad- Zoya, Yash, Aarti and Co. Ayan- Humeira gave me a headache.
On a friday night, how many people will sit glued to TV for 1 1/2 hours? And they are having another mahasangam on Monday. Please spare us the horror of Ayan- Humeiraa in a 1 1/2 hour drama. We can take them for 6 min in a 20 min epi- not more than that.
On the whole, I don't mind this idea of Mahasangam so long as it is not repeated often. But one hour should be the limit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhumNsjoIx4&NR=1
DeleteVery nicely done funny VM
Watched the QH/PV Mahasangram on youtube - I think the last part is not uploaded yet. Echo your feelings about BAD acting ... the list is longer for me - Shireen, Vidya Sinha, Humeira (the girl is pretty but cannot act to save her life), Ayaan, the two sisters and mother of the runaway bride (they looked as though they were having a hard time controlling their giggles in the beating up), the entire lot in the police station ... Surbhi has improved slightly, but the chemistry is still a big zero. Poor KSG is struggling (never thought I would feel sorry for KSG!) Saw the bride crying to Zoya a couple of episodes back - she was equally bad. Where has Gul picked up her actors for QH?! The good actors can be counted on fingers of one hand - Asad, Dilshad, and to some extent Rashid. I did like the Ayaan-Dilshad scene - despite the poor acting, the dialogues and screenplay was good enough to bring across the emotions.
DeletePV parts - I used to watch this once in a while - so is Prashant good or has he turned bad? And halleluiah, Gurmeet has shaved!!! He still wears those skin tight T shirts - why??!!!
Moral of the story - watch mahasangrams only on YT with ffwd option.
Ah!
DeleteThat is a good idea. I am actually lucky. I was out, so I had it recorded. Even with the ffing the ads (I usually don't ff the show, however bad it looks- the only bit I ever even muted on IPK was the Khushi catwalk on the ramp)- the bad actors got on my nerves.
Dia,
Shireen is supposed to be expressionless. She is very dimwitted. I had trouble deciphering it at first, but I realised later that the character is supposed to be blank and the actress plays that part perfectly. Ayan- I praised him recently. I guess he is learning. But he will need retakes. Humeira- very pretty- the first girl who caught my eye in QH. She cannot do emotional scenes. Soft romance- she is OK.
The sisters of the bride- did you catch the thurs epi? They are giggly girls. They giggled perfectly. I did not concentrate on them on friday, but I definitely felt like commenting that they acted better than the Ayan- Humeira- Nussat trio.(I really liked the short-haired sis. And to tell the truth, I felt the actors in the wedding sequence were better than the ones in Rashid's house. May be it was lack of proper direction. The script itself was over dramatised. Inevitable, I suppose.)
Surbhi- I felt was perfect. Actually, I prefer her to Kritika Sengal.
PV: Prashant has turned bad- after receiving his kid's marrow. (It was supposed to happen, I watch randomly.)
He wants the kid and Aarti back. He even went with his dadi to Yash's house to reveal that Aarti is divorced and not a widow, and claimed his 'wife' back.
Gurmeet with those skin tight T shirts- put me off the actor and the character for a long time.
MB: Some bits of brilliance here and there, but still cannot sit through one episode. How can Drashti be so good and bad playing the same role? She is pathetic in comedy- this is what put me off Geet too. Her comic act looks very forced on to me.
Must watch!!!
ReplyDeleteZoha's vm on Arhi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yf4QNy-ubU
'Published on 28 Dec 2012
Made this VM few months ago in August, but forgot to upload, was resting on my hard disk, thought now that the show is over, people migh enjoy watching it :P'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VwogYxg8m0
Arnav and Khushi vm on Radha (Student of the year)
Have an Arhi- licious weekend!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU8MdAC9vdA
DeleteThe honeymoon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=NiKYmDURDGc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPITCy3Ag9g
beautiful! tfs!
Delete"For those of you wanting to catch a glimpse of what goes on behind the scenes when two of the hottest stars on Indian TV meet, here is a small video. On the set of Qubool Hai, Gurmeet Chuadhary came with his leading lady Kritika Sengar from the TV show Punar Vivaah on Zee TV. Catch them rehearsing a scene together along with Surbhi Jyoti and Karan Singh Grover."
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http://forum32.com/2013/01/19/qubool-hai-lag-jaa-gale/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=qubool-hai-lag-jaa-gale
It is nice watching them all interact, esp the making of lag jaa gale.
http://forum32.com/2013/01/18/qubool-hai-mahaasangam-with-punar-vivaah-bts-video/
It seems they hurried everything else to concentrate on the song. So that explains the bad acting from Ayan and Co. I bet no one bothered with retakes there.