Tuesday, September 4, 2012

4/9 - Epi 334 ... Tum Dena Saath Mera O Humnawaz

Tuesday 4th September

Highlight for me today was the strong understanding and support between Arnav and Khushi in the first scene, Khushi trying to explain to Arnav that he can do what he thinks is right in every instance, he can do everything in his power for his sister's happiness, but there is a higher power which overwrites what we do ... and he cannot re-write fate ...

Karmanyavadhikaaraste ma phaleshu kadachana
You have the right to do your duty, do what you deem is right ... but you have no right to the fruits of that duty ... 

Arnav always put his Di and her happiness ahead of everything, including his own happiness ... in doing that, he unknowingly committed many wrongs, one of them being the destruction of a young innocent girl's life. His intentions were noble, his path was not. Is this the reward for that wrong he committed? That the very sister whose happiness he swore to protect and preserve, today lies shattered, her world in ruins?
When he discovered the truth, he threw out the true villain without a second thought, thinking to right the wrong he had done. But again, another wrong ... still trying to preserve his Di's world, he didn't give her a reason for his actions, or not a strong enough one, leaving cracks in the wall for a certain slippery snake to slide through.

His intentions were always noble, and he received the fruit of that ... he got as reward, a woman, a partner, a soulmate ... a woman who would walk with him on every step of his life, a woman to guide him on the right path, a woman who would be truly his strength, his ardhangini, with him always ... a woman who now explains to him that his intentions have always been true, he has done his best ... but more than that, he cannot do ... for some things are best left to a higher power ...

He can control his own thoughts and actions, but how can he control the thoughts and actions of others? Can he control the evil of Shyam, the gullibility and unbending rigidity of Dadi, the weakness and helplessness of Di?

And can he control his own biggest weakness, his anger? His temper? When it comes to the two most important people in his life, his wife and his sister, he cannot ...
Krodh buddhi bhrasht kar deta hai ... Anger destroys reason ... and that is his biggest weakness. That is where Shyam scores over him, because Shyam always manages to stay cool. That is where Arnav needs Khushi the most, because Khushi also has the ability to stay cool, to keep her head, and not lose her reason to temper.
(The original Khushi lost her temper only with Arnav ;) Now she doesn't even lose her temper with Arnav ... what love does!)

What Khushi achieved today ... she stopped Arnav from withdrawing into his 'peetal bartan' ... she told him  that he might not have succeeded in protecting her from Shyam, but he still can be with his Di, because he is, and has always been her strength ...where earlier, Arnav would withdraw from everyone to hide his own pain, today Khushi encouraged him to face it ... when he said he didn't have the courage to face his sister because he felt he had failed her, Khushi encouraged him to face Di because Di needed him ... his own pain had to be ignored, internalized, kept aside, because there was someone whose pain was greater.
And isn't that what Khushi always does? Forget her own pain in the bigger task of soothing the pain of others. Today she taught Arnav how to do that ...

Rest of the episode was Shyali, Shyam pulling more wool over Dadi's eyes, Arnav bashing up Shyam in hospital, which, although satisfying to watch, did absolutely nothing to prove Arnav's point to Dadi, and everything to prove Shyam's ... good thing Khushi stopped Arnav, pity she didn't make him listen to reason ... because there is no way Anjali will stop worshipping Shyam on the say-so of anybody else ... it has to be Shyam himself who betrays his truth to Anjali ... no other way will work.

Did Arnav's mythical 'shatir dimaag' finally make an appearance? Did he realise that Shyam and Dadi were rather over-friendly for what should be their first meeting?
The confrontation between Shyam-Arnav .., interesting as a contrast to the first confrontation ... then, Khushi was absent, and Shyam sold Arnav the lie that Khushi loved him back ... now Khushi was present, so he tried to sell the lie that he loved Anjali ... wonder if either Arnav or Khushi bought that one. 

And liked the last scene when Arnav tells Khushi to come with him to settle Anjali ... he obviously trusts no one else now.
But again, a decision made in haste and anger ... it seems to be ridiculously easy for Shyam to enter RM at will ... aided by a willing Anjali who tells the nurse Shyam is her husband ... even if Arnav gave instructions that no one is allowed in, if Anjali herself countermands those instructions, what can Arnav do?

Am still pretty lost as to Shyam's motives ... why did he want to lose the baby? Doesn't that snap the last link with Anjali? The only reason Arnav let off Shyam so easy was because of the baby, now the reason no longer exists. And even if Shyam enters RM, he will be watched like a hawk by Arnav, Khushi, NK and Mami, and probably Nani too ... what does he really hope to achieve?

(will update Monday's post over the weekend ... there is lots to write on it, and I have no time! :) )

77 comments:

  1. PH/cvs aap kab samjhenge villains shoes and slow unveiling like a dulhan (AGAIN) is not the part of drama that sells. Having said that its not even drama. Get that will ya????

    A proper show of Heros mukkhas making vilklainwas face blue black is a high voltage drama. Bhy kanjoosi in that, BHYSSSS?????

    PS: Anita Su I din't get time to reply on past post. I teach secondary science. This year only Biology :D

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    1. uffo last and villainwa ... yeh typos bhi na !!!

      Can Nani do a dishum dishum with Dadi .... that will be a sight. WOW !!!

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    2. Sama : loved the look Nani gave Dadi, Nani is our champion naa.....sab kuch samajh jaati hai

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    3. i know Sama - me thought so too!!! but i read here (someone posted it here) that one member of the CT is an ex Ekta Kapoor guy - hence -shoe, ear, hand, shoe, back, floor... type reentry shots shuru ho gaye in IPK!!!

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    4. Mona Ekta is also known for dialogues and proper or mostly overloaded execution when it comes to making kachumber of villain ... though she finds more illogical way to get villain back later.

      Point is why pick up bad stuffs. How long are we fans going to defend.

      I want dil pe tandak behjane wala scene.

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    5. Sama - bio - i always found that very interesting :D - you know my mom taught science to secondary classes and bio to sr. sec for 15 years and those were the best years of her life :D

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    6. Mona, Sama, the new story writer is jainesh, who was in Ekta camp before......earlier the story was to have ved raj's name..........

      Sama : Bio is so interesting......i use to love drawing all the elements.....

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  2. So Did I see bitwa's returning from siberia???
    Did he use his shatir dimaag to make 2 & 2 = 22 abt DD and her damaji..

    Khushi has promised that she will be with him to get anji out of this....
    So shaadi 360 with simple marriage with family? so DD-Garima till the marriage over since ... I don't think DD will attend it giving anji excuse ???

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    1. Oh Aaru that will be such a wonderful wedding. Mandir mein only with what matters :D :D

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    2. sama.. its my SKD to have a wedding 360 in front of DM and family...

      and I would love to see Nani DD face off .. I so want nani to remind DD that she left for Ashram and kids with her..and say that Arnav has to have his Khushi now and don't ruin it .. if she can't take it leave , and its Khushi who can bring anji back...

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    3. They really should give the right and true ones some dialogues ... it is so depressing to see wrong triumph all the time. Specially with a matriarch like Nani. This is absolutely wrong. If they at least showed Dadi wanted to but had no ways to come back to her grandkids, effect could have been minimized... this is plain ridiculous.

      Best part of the epi was -

      "hum aapke saath hain hum dono milkar ..(well I forgot the later par"

      but they are in this together ... AT LAST !!!!

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    4. true true- another high point of the epi - "Jab tak main zinda hoon, yeh 'Meray' ghar nahi aayega!" about time he exerted some rights over HIS house!!

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  3. Anji did not ask Shyamu where did u disappear from behind the curtain...or is it a case of only one Raizada can have a eureka moment at one time...chalo she was in shock...maaf kiya...jab itna maaf kitna yeh toh bahut choti baat hain....

    This week will be about Shyamu coming back to RM...what is the cause of Arnav's change of heart..hysteria from Anji...has all the makings of it...

    whether i like this or not...I guess Arnav can get his brain cells active around provocation given the mukkas he gave Shyamu today so maybe its not a bad thing...i just pray that Khushi does not have anything to do with that decision..thats all..girl stay away from that problem...let the sis-bro decide it amongst themselves one way or the other...

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    1. Rekhs

      I am so praying for Khushi to be all out of it... I so don't want her even propose it ...infact I want to be so against it that it might create a argument among the both... I want it to be ASR dimaag at work .. with NK in loop to protect Khushi from VRL and Akash - Anji...

      but then it to ask for too much ... and CV's don't really take that root...

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    2. Aaru...yeh subtlety ke naam pe logic is in the backyard so...don't expect any shatir dimag to make appearance anytime soon...him having a dimag itself is a big plus right now...

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    3. they will not give ASR dimaag ... that will be the end of their precious villain. Maybe they will surprise me.

      Going by khushis expressions every time carema panned on her when Dadi said "inho ne bhi apna baccha khoya hai" I am dreading khushi proposing it.

      If this happens I want the super 2nd floor se phek dene wala ASR. If their has to be a tiff and ASR has to hurt khushi. I would love it to be for this. He wipes her tears and not agree to her but explains her affectionately what her naive mind cannot see in love for his Di.

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    4. i mean super 2nd floor se phek dene wala KHADOOS ASR!!

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    5. Rekha : Arnav wont have change of heart.....remember what Arnav told infront of Shyam.....he cant come in RM till Arnav is alive....so he'll make sure that Arnav dies....ofcourse Arnav wont die...but accident wala spoiler shayad sach ho jaye....

      Aaru : Khushi already looked phighali hui...Anji ke liye sh can do anything, even tolerate Shyamu leering thats what she did last time naa......

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    6. And if she proposes it....i don't mind if the "super 2nd floor se phek dene wala KHADOOS ASR" actually phenkoes her..idiot girl in that case.....

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    7. agree with u geetu... ASR will be agianst the idea.. but khuhi being khushi may consider the idea.. but i dnt want her to voice it out... she should have all the fbs whr shyam was ready to leave anji, even then she was pregnant.. she knows first hand how unrepentant he is.... she should remember the KN track.. plz CVs do not how a phigalne wali khushi.... show us a smart khushi...

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    8. me two and three ..for 2nd floor se phek dene wala KHADOOS ASR' infact I so want Khushi to be against it ... but then what it looks like she would be the one to make ASR get shyam back,,

      geetu I to was remembering the accidentwala spoiler when bitwa said that shyam will not enter till he is alive .. So bitwa in hospital will be reason to get his entry with no khushi or arnav to stop him..
      Nani will be weak as opposed to DD and Anji...

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    9. LOL- sab Khushi ki jaan ke peechey pad gaye hai - but I am with ya- who ever suggests that should be dropped from the 2nd floor ro get some sense knocked into their head:)

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  4. hello ladies! loong time no see. finally got some time to do some much needed bak bak! missed this place. ipk is never the same without R&R.

    havent read all the updates or comments, so bear with me if i do a repeat of something.

    anyway, first things first, Dia, hope you are having a wonderful time with your family on ur vacation.

    secondly, hope is sandy is and all the unsorted things are sorted now.

    and now, to today's epi. after y'day's dhamaka, today was a bit pheeka, but i must say BS take a bow!!! infact take many. he was fab y'day. i was moved to tears. and tnq CVs for not taking the cliched route of arnav accusing khushi for all the troubles. but instead following up on the trust that took soooo long to build and showing a khushi who is every bit there for arnav. kudos to u.

    khushi reassuring arnav... awww..... will we finally get our sensible khushi back?

    "hum dono milkar di ko sambhalenge" that defo means no separation, right??? plz say yes!

    and as sama said, seriously how many times will u unveil ur villain? i mean, come on, we know who he is.. all those back shots, camera panning to shoes, socks and what not is B-O-R-I-N-G!!

    arnav shyam face off was good. shyam apologising only proves he'll sink to any depths to get what he wants. what i dont understand is WHAT DOES HE WANT??

    he said, "humein ab dar hai ki hamai rajkumai ab kabhi vapa nahi aayegi" with his trademark cruel grin. does that mean he always intended to kill the child? what a scoundrel. why does he want to severe his only connection with the raizadas? as much as i dont want that unborn child to be his hold on the raizadas, i fail to see any logic. may be the CVs have a trick or two up their sleeves.

    dadi-arnav fac-off, lacked intensity on dadi's side. he constant, "damad lost a baby too" was tiing. give her more dialogues plz!

    arnav paid no heed to dadi trying to stop him from hitting shyam, only stopped when khushi grabbed him *haayee*

    mein jab thak zinda hoon, tab thank shyam mere ghar pe nahin aayega!! *SHIDDAT*


    now apart from today...

    hey shwetha, akash getting dialogues and screen time on a daily basis!! during last week, i had thought ki a marriage 360 was happening.... during payash wedding, there was more chemistry betn arHi... and now during arHi weddin, payash looked very cute togethe and had better chemistry *ducks*

    especially during the sangeet (or was it mehendi???) epi, payash looked gud in red and wee dancing away merrily.... both deepali and dogra can shake a leg or two, unlike sobti... poor khushi had to pair up with nk.... but NK was damn good!! arnav, try taking lessons from him!

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    1. Krish ... Hugs!!!

      it was godh barai kum mehendi kum sangeet and probably by the time khushi leaves accidentally haldi pot from kitchen will be all over ArHi so lo haldi bhi khatam ... cut to Mandir 360 :D :D :D :D

      Aaj BG aapse bohot khush hongi ... aur BDJ bhi ... Jiyat raho bitiya !!!

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    2. Krish....gud to have u back...sandy is ok but yet to come on R&R; she is still working out things....really hope things work out swiftly for her....

      BG is not present today...she was having some laptop problem i think, i read her thread on Redux..so i guess she is away....

      Jaya kahan gayi...she would have had a field day discussing blooper here...


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    3. rekha and sama hugs back!!

      and tnx ekha for the statu update on everybody!!

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  5. I really wish bites would use less brawn and more brain..All he has to do is to tell evil jija and precious Di is that they are free to leave RM since RM is his home where only those are welcome who genuinely love the family and are not in the habit of cheating and BACKSTABBING those who love them to distraction ESP. If he happens to younger brother and is the family breadwinner besides providing for all luxuries for spoilt ,selfish sister.

    Sorry bites should read bitwa.

    Sorry for the rant but am really annoyed with Anjali
    ...all show of love and affection for brother is a sham..AS DIA has pointed out earlier if you love your husband so much go live with him .in whatever comfort he can afford to keep you in..why this hipocracy.wanting your cake and eating it too..Had a lot of sympathy for her earlier but NOT now..


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    1. ASR wud never ever ask his Di to move out of RM... not after y'day, cuz he holds himself responsible for all that happened with di. and no matter how much we think that he is foolish to have di with him i think he is justified. you would never give up on ur family for anything, even if they turn out to be hypocrites. di is arnav's only family, he sees his mom in her. anjali mite betray and back stab him again and again, but he would never show her the way out of his house. i personally dnt want him to do that. he donned the role of her protector, so he will try to throw away the parasite that shyam is and restore, rather install happines in di's life.

      anjali's love for her bro is no sham or show. its quite deep and true. but her want of a perfect world dominates all other senses. thats how i see anjali. i see a women who is dependent physically, mentally, emotionally and economically on two men. her world is incomplete without either of them. her husband's infidelity, she can live with. but his absence, she cant deal with.

      she is ready to brush aside everything a a major MU and carry on living in he fake perfect wold where both she and he bother have found their true loves.

      i understand your feelings towards anjali, but i guess she does not deserve this (as in her present situation. no women deserves it). after all, all she has ever wanted was to be happy with her hubby and bro. she had simple demands and was warm and loving towards all...

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  6. BTW, why did ASR not inform anyone about Shyam's visit to hospital...isme kya secrecy hain....

    Aur is it becos as ASR he is not supposed to mouth any explanatory dialogues....aise dialogues where he has to explain or provide info cannot be written as it can't be mouthed by ASR?

    expainiya sumone pleej...

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    1. i think when his dimag started doing the math, he probly assumed everybody was involved in bringing back shyam. he has already over heard a couple of times before that dadi wants shyam back and nani wasn't saying a solid no. he would have then assumed that dadi convinced all other family members, citing anjali's health, as a valid reason to bring shyam back.. after all it was only khushi's word and his decision to throw shyam out. nani only has a fuzzy over view... and in he disturbed state of mind she would def agree to anything to make anji happy... hence the no mention, asuming everybody already knows... he was only making a point that what happened at hosp will not happend again here....

      make any sense??

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    2. have you ever seen a proper dialogue which keeps other informed till date in IPK. That's where they are failing. Like in hospital let the hero make a kachumbar out of villain then let ladies shaant ASR.

      they only give this elaboration dialogues to shyaam which is really disappointing .... we know everything that creep does no need of any dialogues.

      these days I really feel shortage of dialogues even to IPK standards ... though they are wording a lot but they are same dialogues.

      Dadi i guess repeated 5 times today that "inhone bhi apna baccha khoya hai" *yuck*

      I rather hear Mami shrill defense of ASR when Dadi brings in Shyaam. Oh I want Mami to slap him. They have till date maintained this part of Mami. That will be a sight. Oh I want her to claim her rights over Anjali and Arnav. After all she did do all in her hand to make them happy and also protect them along with Nani. Nani has never been able to answer outsiders Qs. It has always been Mami. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE Mami for virtual slaps to Dadi.

      IPK its high time ... you need to do justice to the right ones. We know shyaam is a villain we hate to love but only till he remains villain and every villain has to lose. Not together but one by one. Its 15 months, you need one action delivered which shows makes right and good victorious. Yes thappadgate(s) does not count as I din't see his face blue black in pain. It was more like creepwa making a mockery out of our Hero.

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    3. ur take makes sense....an if u tie that up with his diktat after coming out of anji's room....it makes perfect sense!!tks

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    4. I rather hear Mami shrill defense of ASR when Dadi brings in Shyaam.
      I want Mami to slap him.
      I would LOVE LOVE LOVE Mami for virtual slaps to Dadi.
      Good triumphs over evil.
      Shiddat to all of them!!

      even i'm getting tired of dadi with her constant constipated look and repetitive dialogues...


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    5. Rekha - but how could he have mentioned Shyam's visit in front of Di - what happened between TF & ODB was not repeated to di - so TF was not mentioned infront of her

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    6. Nahin yaar main kabhi bhi logic wale questions nahin poochti kyunki usme aisa khatra hain hehehe maaf kar do

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  7. ok i calculated - the Cvs actually wasted 59 seconds on re-introducing the villain!!!!

    Am not a big fan of Abhas as an actor - but Shyam as a villain sure is smart - i had thouht he would come in all - "ny poor wife - let me support her' type dialogues - but he is too smart - he starts by loosing it with his wife (something he normally never did) - asking how she could let any harm come to their child - how shattered He was and making his wife even more guilty of having not only lost her child but also of letting down her loving husband!!! ONly in the end does he say - sambhliya apney aap ko - after having riled her up so much - must say the person who wrote the character did a good job!

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    1. Yes, Mona.
      I wrote the same thing below.
      Good job on the character!

      Did you notice this in that introduction scene- he entered by DRUMMING his fingers- like the dholak he had just finished playing...to what he had made the whole RM dance... and they will continue to dance...
      What is he? A pied piper?

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    2. pied pier - hahaha - good one - well he def thinks he is one and both the men in the serial do duffer from over confidence!!

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  8. CVs - do try and be a little realistic - after such a major event - no one went to the hos in the morning to check on DI - to change duty positions by relieving ASR etc.? If only you had shown someone from the family visiting the hospital and getting the change of clothes for Di - it would have looked so natural - instead of wasting 59 sec on reinto villain you could have used 30 sec to show Akash com in to esquire about di and get her clothes!!

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  9. Girls,
    Another disconnect in Anji's behavior yesterday - when she is in denial about losing the baby , Arnav's tears are what convince her..

    Implies an implicit trust in him, that while everyone else may lie to her , he will not.If she is able to keep that in the most disturbed emotional state and in face of the tragedy , why does she have no faith in his take on Shyam - where does that trust in his judgement go then???

    Guess the question is to logical for IPK land ?




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  10. No doubt, the episode belonged to two wonderful actors- Barun and Abhaas. ( we are soooo lucky to have such a great team of actors!)

    When 'Arnav met Shyam'- what a POWERFUL scene!
    I felt this was the SINGLE MOST dhamaakedaar scene where the hero and villain came face to face .
    All their interactions in the past was one- sided. Yesterday they were at par.

    Anjali….
    Gul, I asked you to shut her up, not make her look dumb.
    ‘quiet’ and ‘dumb’ are not the same!
    No problem. Anjali’s brain washing continues. I hope we don’t hear too much of ‘inhone’ ‘unhone’ (for a micro second, I was happy to hear dadi lift Anjali’s lines- she said ‘unhone’- she looked like a real fool yesterday- a proud fool!).
    If Anjali develops a spine now, well and good.

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    1. Shyam…
      A master story teller.
      He tells a different story each time to each person.
      He tells them what they want to hear. Did Khushi fall for the ‘mera bachha mera bachha’ line?
      Thank god, ASR did not fall for the ‘mujhe maaf kar deejiye’ line.
      The dhishum lacked punch, especially the first one. Aisa kyun, CVs?

      And the counter attack on Anjali as soon as he entered.
      “This is YOUR fault.” Now she is so guilty, she is not going to wonder about the shadow in her room or where the glass came from or where Shyam disappeared to. CLASSIC! PERFECT!
      He knows how to play her exactly to his advantage. APPLAUSE to the script writer.

      So this guy is not just a murderer, but a pathological liar too. The devil that crept out in that scene where he hugged Anjali- he reminds me of a vile creature- GOLLUM from ‘lord of the rings’!
      Yeh possessed hai ya pagal hai? What has he got in store for Khushi? What NEW STORY to break up the marriage?

      ASR…
      Duuuude, do you know what your problem is?
      OVERCONFIDENCE!
      You know Shyam has influenced your dadi, yet all you do is shift your sister home and put your foot down firmly. You don’t TELL her the truth.
      Kyun?
      “Dadi hameshaa se aise hi hai. She will believe what she wants to believe.”: Is that why you don’t bother with explanations when it comes to her?
      And, is that why you under estimate the villain?
      Khushi'd tell you- "Shyamji bahut chaalak hai, tez hai..."

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    2. Su,
      Shyam is not a pathological liar - he is a very deliberate, calculated liar - he knows exactly which buttons to push where with Anjali and Khushi ..

      Remember last time Arnav/Khushi thought he would reform with the arrival of the baby..so the line there..

      Anjali needs to feel he is the victim - so the its your fault line for her..

      The sambhalo apne aapko was for Dadi only - so she does not start getting angry with how he is talking to her grand daughter in that scenario ...

      Loved Khushi today - her lines , her demeanor, her tone every thing was perfect...this is the emotional core strentgh that needed to be brought out...good job CVs..

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    3. yeah Sri, total calculative, his sambhalo apne aapko came only when Dadi interrupted his blame Anjali session......that acting was good by Abhaas

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  11. Was watching the old episodes over the weekend and in the first rB episode after Arnav finds Anjali and implores "kabhi kho mat jaana" and he tells her Khushi is back - she says "hume yeh har baar karna chahiye, humaare saare kaam ho jaate hai"

    I would not put past Anji to pretend to go silent, to make Arnav bring in shyam..

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    1. Remember Anji is all about the ends justifying the means ..like she uses the contract to force Khushi into the train La gig...

      If she believes this is the only way to get Arnav to reconcile with her Pati parameswar she will do whatever it takes..

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    2. Sri,
      A big YES, All of us love this Khushi.
      When the going gets rough, Khushi gets tough and serious and mature.

      At the end of all drama, when the CVs feel like having a blast, she will be sanaka devi again.( I feel the comedy days may be over in IPK actually,keeping my fingers crossed)

      On Anji:
      If end justifies the means...will she want to force Chhote in to this? Will she not want to convince him of her husband's innocence? She needs a permanent solution to her problem, right. What is the point in emotionally blackmailingbhim- it is not a perfect wrld even then.... May be Anjali's thought process will NEVER start...

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  12. Su and all - i really dont think Anji has been dumb-ed down
    (except the part where she has her miscarriage - her walking despite glass sticking to her feet was plain ridiculous - just 'stupid' is not quite close to how moronic it was!!) -
    Having said that - given her history and her character and the fact that she seriously believes the man she loved, respected, shared everything with is a good guy and only a MU has caused the rift between the 2 main people in her life - her reactions are pretty close to what would normally happen - everyone seems to think she should not give in to VLR - but the fact is - to her, he is also suffering, he has lost a kid too, he who sooo wanted his rajkumari - built a cradle for her, got her gifts, talked about her all the time etc etc - her perfect husband is in pain too

    + she is on thin ice now and needs her husband (emotionally) as any woman would if they had lost a child - for to her - her husband is 'perfect' (and dadi in that sense, is not wrong)
    So (even though on IF people are upset on how dumb Anji is - right now Anji is behaving as she was expected too) - i fear to think what will happen to her when she actually accepts VLR for the devil he is - then she will really break!
    The only thing i cant understand is that if she sooo loves her husband - why does she not walk off to him? why not say - "thank you chotey for looking after me but i need to be with my husband so i am going"!!
    - the only reason i could think of was that to her, both her husband and brother are too imp - she cant loose one for the other and in her mind while her husband 'understands' this and is willing to wait till things clear out between him and ASR - ASR is not that level headed, not that 'samajdar' as her husband is - hence, she needs to stay with ASR so that her ties with him are not broken - with her husband she is sure he is and always will be there with her (by the way he keeps reassuring her!)

    AS for ASR not telling Dadi the truth -
    1- he never shares anything -
    2- As ASR - he took so long to tell nani who was always pro KKG - do you guys think Dadi will accept that 'woh aurat - KKG' was not trying to entice VLR? - he knows his dadi - he cant subject KKG being accused anymore -
    3- plus it is now about Di - the betrayal to di (like the betrayal to his Ma) - he already told Dadi that 'Shyam cheated Di' and that is the whole story in a nut shell - so he has given the facts to dadi - whether she believes it or not - he is not bothered - he knows VLR cheated DI (like Dad cheated Mom) so end of story!

    ok have to get back to real world and work :D:D:D

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    1. Mona,
      I said Anjali is dumb, only because that is the only way to explain her so- called 'blindness', it is the only thing that saves her from bring called 'manipulative'. I totally agree with you that she is behaving within her character now. I'll still call her dumb for all the things she should have connected and did not.

      My only disappointment is that I'd expect her to be totally shocked at the loss of her child- take some more time to recover- the precap seems to show she has alredy partly recovered. Let it be...
      ASR not telling dadi-yes, that is what I find it to be too- perfectly in character.

      "why does she not walk off to him? why not say - "thank you chotey for looking after me but i need to be with my husband so i am going"!!":
      Your explanation is right. Walking away from Chote would mean she has to fight with him- that is not her perfect world.
      She wants both Chhote and Shyam.
      I really hope Anji puts her foot down and walks out of the house- I don't know if that will be interpreted as another 'pressure tactic'- but she should if she really is convinced now that it is a MU. Otherwise too, ASR has not given her a proper explanation for throwing VLR out. It is her husband he threw out, not a worker.
      He owes it to her.

      Why Chhote does not sit down and talk to her?
      I guess when it comes to di and especially since it involves Khushi- he cannot bring it up. He knows he failed her(Anjali) there - he knows it is not 'his' fault that Anjali's marriage ended up like this.(Though he feels bad and calls himself a failure that he could not prevent it)

      Back in their childhood- when Anji fell sick , it was not his fault. But he hid himself. Is he still hiding from her because he cannot deal with that 'hurt' part: he cannot bear to see her sick or hurt and he wants to hide from her pain.

      Did he not try to do the same after the baby was lost too(peetal ka bartan as Dia has put so wonderfully)- Khushi reassured him that he WILL be able to say the right thing to Anjali and lessen her pain.

      I noticed this: Even yesterday, after Khushi's pep up talk, he did not (have to) do it- Shyam ruined the whole mood and the brother was not there to offer support to his sister verbally. The last scene of Arnav sitting by Anjali's side, holding her hand- very sweet!

      Between a husband who sweet talks and says the 'right' things and a brother who has a tendency to run into peetal ka bartan when it comes to emotional issues-ends up 'not saying any thing at all'- why should Anjali not believe that her husband is right and that darling Chhote has simply misunderstood the 'great' man?

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  13. Hey Sama and the other teacher out there - happy teachers day :D - hats off to you ladies for making our (mother's) lives easier!

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    1. Happy teacher's day, Sama!

      Always wondered- what do teachers do on that day when they send the students to take charge of the class and everything else?

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  14. Another thing - did Dadi register that Shyam had come to the house to be in godbharai ? Will she recall that when needed ?
    Will someone in the family ever ask Anji how the accident happened ?

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  15. Mona,
    Thanks or reminding - totally forgot aboout Teacher's day..

    Sama,
    Happy teachers day to you :)

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  16. Happy Teachers Day Sama!!

    Bio was one of my favorite subjects in school:-)...plus my 9th and 10th grade bio teacher had a great dress sense...used to wear really pretty saris and suits:-)

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  17. Happy teacher's day....Sama.....

    Dia..thank u for a lovely edit....

    Gargi....ab toh bachpan se hi suits and saris ko note karte ho..very nice.....


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  18. ****SPOILER ALERT****

    http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3180379

    oh wow..didnt know garima's side of the story would be out so quickly too!! I was expecting it to take atleast a couple of months...or maybe this is just her side and the entire truth will fall in place only after a month or so.. pity that I am missing tonight's epi... :( people please update asap..

    according to new metromasti article/spoiler arhi get married in a simple style (I LOVEEEEE this!!!)...so the truth does not reach their ears so soon..

    also, I would think, CVs would first get ArHi married and then let out the truth...that would be a true test of their marriage..

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    1. MAds, it is quite possible that the past is a recollection for the players involved like Garima's FB so it will not be out for the story but viewers will get some idea....i don't that is a bad idea....considering that the story had to show some element of connect for the lay audience esp the ones who don't know ARHI background well enuf

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    2. Even I don't think its a bad idea...atleast something is moving on the garima front rather than just their hide and seek game..so I am actually looking forward to it..hoping against hope that it is worth the suspense for the past couple of months..

      again, WHY ARE THEY NOT PROMOTING???

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    3. Mads,
      I think they are doing an experiment.
      Will the trps go up without promos???

      Look at all the silly promos floating around- stupid opinio polls- should he should he not- next we'll be seeing MM and NK: "Should jeevika abort the kid or not." NK will type yes and MM will type 'no'.

      WHY ARE THEY NOT PROMOTING???

      The best things are already over.
      ...not a murmur about Anjali losing her child or Shyam coming back to RM or that powerful Arnav- Shyam scene .

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    4. "next we'll be seeing MM and NK: "Should jeevika abort the kid or not." NK will type yes and MM will type 'no'"

      Su, I wouldn't put it past them to even think of that... they are quite capable of doing that.. :S seriously, the amount of times they have promoted other shows!!! Promote your own show, for the love of God!!!

      Seriously, there IS a problem... EVERY show on star plus is getting new promos every week...what is it with these people??!!! Do they not have an episode bank?? Do they not have the money?? What IS IT??!

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  19. Su,

    I am glad u pointed out the scene where Anji starts believing the truth about her losing the child when she sees Arnav's eyes....

    while the scene by itself was great from drama perspective but what stopped me from appreciating the scene really was for the very reason that u mentioned above...

    But i will still give the makers the benefit of doubt on that portrayal becos what they wanted to show perhaps was Anji's implicit faith in Arnav but she perhaps thinks as human, he has made a genuine judgement error about her Shyam...

    This brings to the next logical extension...

    Her faith is restricted to Arnav....becos she seems to have blocked Khushi's "dalile"...Khushi was not just accusing him, she went on to say, he is her ex-fiance....now if Anji has not accepted it, she thinks khushi is a liar, so why is her behaviour so benign towards her....Dia and many others have put forth theories...then Anji is not white as Su, u claim....


    So, Su..what i am trying to say here is that CVs have not conveyed Anji's state of mind well enuf..in fact they have confused us...According to me, they were doing well with her MUing Khushi...it was taking us somewhere but i guess the hullaballoo made them develop cold feet on that.....which is why my mind is stuck on that Anji-Arnav scene after the rose petals ARHI hug incident..I made some peace with Dia's explanation but the narrative ahead has brought me back to that point again......I am a broken record...kya karen..

    Having said that..i agree with u that CVs intended for an Anji to whom her husband's actions will come as a huge shock....whether they have shown that Anji well....i am not in agreement with u onthis...

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  20. Ladies - i may be wrong but i think i have understood why Ahyam wanted to loose the child - ok this may sound cruel adn delusional but here goes:

    Shyam wants entry into RM - right
    Shyam knows Anji is the only way to it - right
    And for that Anji needs to stay in RM in the first place!

    So how does he ensure that - Ensure that Anji is a broken, weak woman - in need of support - needs her family around AND needs her husband for the emotional support as well! - so if she looses the baby - the family gets all protective and will never let her go - while he plays on her emotions - uses them to get an entry into the house and do the damage he wants to ASR and business!

    a happy content anji would have delivered her baby and gone and lived with her husband as a normal Indian wife would (remember the time Anji wanted to stay with TF in 'their home' and she almost tripped so was forced to stay on RM to be taken care of better?) - So for TF to work his plan - he needs his wife to suffer - be broken in mind body and spirit - and he has achieved that

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    1. Mona what you say makes some sense...but I don't know if the CVs are headed that direction...for that matter I wonder if they are headed anywhere at all..now that they have started on about the past, they will ignore all the other loopholes..will just keep going on and on about shyam's entry without clearing his motive... and once the past is out, nobody will even remember in the first place that shyam has a motive! :S pretty much like the speculation of why he is after ASR's money and business after all? Aren't there other businessmen around? Ofcourse, then the story wouldn't have take place, but still .. :P and I don't think that even if shyam has a reason to avenge for what happened to his family or whatever, those reasons will suffice to justify whatever he has done...that is and will always remain wrong.. question is, will the CVs even attempt to think this much?? Or like the ekta kapoor vamps with huge bindis and scary eye-makes up and brains less than a grasshopper are, will let shyam too, wander off without any reall motive.. only difference b/w those vamps and shyam is that Abhaas is atleast a good actor and holds a good screen presence...you can love him or hate him, but cannot ignore him! :)

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    2. "Or like the ekta kapoor vamps with huge bindis and scary eye-makes up and brains less than a grasshopper are..." - hahahaha - Mads that's exactly how i describe them when mom watches those serials - i told mom long ago - check out her makeup - if the lady has too much eye makeup - she is evil !

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    3. Mona,

      "So for TF to work his plan - he needs his wife to suffer - be broken in mind body and spirit - and he has achieved that"

      Totally agree with you.Is this not why he said to himself, "dadiji is useless. You did not even get me in for god bharai. Now I'll do things my way"?

      How can Anjali not love this husband all the more now?
      He forgave Chhote for the slaps and MU and came back for me.
      He got dadi back for 'us'.
      "I know my husband loves me a lot"
      He is my hero- he came for my god bharai even when he knew Chhote would throw a fit if he was discovered.
      I owe him now- if I had just trusted my hubby and gone out of RM,all this would not have happened.

      Like he said, THIS IS ALL MY FAULT.(Even then he is so supportive of me. Do I even deserve this guy? What have I done for him?)

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    4. exactly what i was saying too - she poor thing can only see this - its not about being dumb - its about having faith in the one person you love so much (and lets be fair - if ODG MUed ODB - suspected him of cheating on her - we would have been mad!)

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  21. Rekha,

    "becos she seems to have blocked Khushi's "dalile"...Khushi was not just accusing him, she went on to say, he is her ex-fiance....":

    1. The CVs had to make Khushi talk about the engagement: if she did not, it'd have made her look stupid.
    2. The Cvs could not get Shyam to accept it at that point of time- because they wanted Shyam back after some time. This story was written like this from the beginning.
    3. Like you rightly pointed out, the earlier tracks were just about trust being established in Arhi.
    Once that was done, what is the next logical step? The story has to move forward, right.
    So Shyam had to be exposed, but they cannot throw him out because he is the CUPID.

    4. When they have to show Khushi and Shyam (outright denial- lies upon lies) iin character, and yet take the story forward, who can they play havoc with- Anjali!
    She was never too bright in the past.
    She has serious emotional issues- blocks out things- Gul already described that Anjali has taken refuge in pooja and has never looked at the issues in her life head on. She believes and lives in an IMAGINARY perfect world.(Though when it comes to past ASR is the one who does not want a mention of it. Anjali still mentions her mother all the time.)

    We all know that Anjali at the start of the serial, and before VLR's revelation already is a 'denial' type of person. She refuses to 'see' things, because she does not want to see it.

    We cannot apply our thought process to her and wonder why she does not think like us. She is clingy, not to the extent of having a serious mental disorder.(Dia's real life incidents:
    Why did the parents get their son/ daughter married when a relative had already raised some issue regarding the would be spouse? And it ended in a bitter divorce. Why did they want to be blind and end up in a sad situation? Defies logic- and these are real life people.)

    5. I feel, for the same reason you cannot apply logic to Anjali or wonder why she does not look at this particular question. She blocks out unwanted stuff. She has every excuse to do so.

    6. The sad part is when we look back at Anjali's interactions in the past and term her 'manipulative' or think she clings on to Chhote for the money.
    She manipulated situations to keep her world perfect- it was not just 'her' world- it was Chhote's too- she made sure he did not go against the norms of society or disrespect elders- and that she did for HIS benefit.
    About the money bit: she did want to leave RM duuring the GH track which was when Shyam played the staircase drama.

    This pt6 really clouds our judgement a lot, and it is quite believable if you argue that point.
    This is where I really feel bad for the CVs. Because I know that is not the way it was meant to be.

    I am not a fan of Anjali, I just happen to sympathise with her a lot- may be because I am used to seeing a lot of weird people around me and the things they do to each other and their families, all in the name of 'logic' don't surprise me any more.

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    1. Okay. I've written a lot of rubbish here.
      The point I tried to make is:
      Anjali is clingy and blind. When emotional trauma hits her she goes berserk..tries to kill the baby..no logic..turns to her biggest support who suddenly does not seem to have the time for her when she has hit the pit bottom...and someone offers her perfect world back...NO ONE gets hurt, NO QUESTIONS asked.. she just accepts it.
      This is why I find the script brilliant. It was not just one incident, it was a series of events that led to this.

      If there was doubt before, it is BLIND TRUST now.

      She was not in the mindset to process what happened that night, even if she had the brains to. Someone should have connected the dots for her, no one did. Hence...
      "whether they have shown that Anji well....i am not in agreement with u onthis...":

      I know. It does not matter, if you just get what she is supposed to be- or rather not MU her.
      If the Cvs did not show it clearly- I've always said this- they FAILED in communicating this character to the audience.

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    2. Su,

      I know we have had the maximum discussions about Anji...perhaps even more than the makers themselves...LOL...

      I am trying to go with the flow and while writing it...i am trying to make things clear in my mind too...

      Cvs have shown Anji has a fixation with her perfect world of husband, chotte etc...can't take confrontation well...we r with Cvs till here...lets keep out using bro's money out of this picture like i said....if it doesn't bother Arnav, it shouldn't bother anyone else....

      But at the same time, she is shown fun loving, street-smart (lets not use the word "manipulative") when it comes to achieving her immediate goals and picking up on Arnav's attraction for Khushi (albeit late), knowing how to make Arnav bend when it comes to family rasam-sambhars (agree not all but a few) so u see..not a dumb belle by any stretch of imagination

      So, how have i read her....till now...A woman who wants a perfect world and likely to react badly to unwelcome news, but at the same time, i have not been given any special perspective that she will accept fait-accompli in a drastic situation tamely....Acco to me, she will have mental breakdown

      So when her husband, (pretty much as important to her as Arnav) is accused to have feet of clay... my expectation as a viewer is that she will not accept the situation as calmly as she did....she would show some acts of rebellious behaviour towards someone (K or A)...which incidentally she did....but suddenly in a volte-face....she calmly accepted the actions of all the three players....Shyam...yes i can understand...becos no solid proof given to her, Arnav becos she has implicit faith in him and felt he was mistaken but what is this tame and overt whole hearted-acceptance of Khushi (who is certainly mistaken/a liar)just becos Arnav said I love Khushi....

      So am i wrong here to think that Anji has some mental problem who has this major obsessive need for "all is right in her world" to the extent of blocking all logic...So why should i believe that she will become all ok when the actual truth is revealed to her....here is where i expect either subltety in the narrative to have played a role or some obvious hints given to us....of how this righteous behaviour will manifest itself at the right time? And if all this is only becos Arnav never told her, i am going with a big stick after Arnav.....


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    3. Hmm.. I was wondering how this Q came to me.
      I had not written about the tears in ASR's eyes making Anji see the truth.
      This was Sri's thought. I STOPPED defending Anji and now you made me do it again..this time a MU...*LOL*


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    4. Su,
      I wrote before reading ur next post.....but i do get what u r trying to say...

      I know the narrative can't explain to us "excuse me, we forgot to tell u, but Anji has this problem"

      but somewhere i hope, the CVs can make it less about Arnav wanting to make Anji's world all bright and sunny but little bit more about how Anji has never been able to accept anything wrong with her world....

      becos now after all this, if Anji calmly accepts when the truth is revealed, it will make Arnav, khushi look like complete fools who could not say it as it is....GUL, i hope u have thot this thru.....I want some of my illusions about my hero-heroine to remain so....

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    5. Ok Su....i thot it was ur post...LOL .Chalo Sri's post made me write all this above....mera kuch nahin ho saktha....Sri, sorry....MU ho gaya....

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    6. "if Anji calmly accepts when the truth is revealed, it will make Arnav, khushi look like complete fools who could not say it as it is.":

      Rekha,
      Dia's edit today- her take on peetal ka bartan- beautifully put.

      1, Is this the second time he went in to peetal ka bartan?
      He does not run and hide physically, EMOTIONALLY he still does: He cannot bring himself to tell her the entire truth

      OR

      2. he takes it for granted he has explained well enough for her to understand (read Mona on ASR- dadi), mistakenly thinks his word (I TRUST K) is enough for her.....

      Does that make him look like a fool?
      He is perfectly in character- 'Bas maine keh diya..."

      Option 1: there is a certain amount of weakness in his character which K will rectify.

      Option 2: He is over confident and under estimated the power Shyam had over Di ... and in character.

      K cannot be blamed either way, she was blasted when she tried to do the right thing at the wrong time.

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    7. Su, Dia's description of the almost peetal ka bartan moment is right.....its not a moment we have been clamouring for....its oen of the traits that we have been given glimpse to and so we expect certain situations to play out in that fashion...I always believe that past and present circumstances play out over and over again in our lives...its what we draw from those experiences and what choices we make that determine our future course....

      ASR has been in character pretty much thru out....Gul has almost written him out age by page or should i say her vision is so clear that the writers get him perfect on most occasions and another advantage is he does not speak much so ...not much to decode on his speech...on acting BS has got him down to the toes....

      the only place where ASR falls short is the shatir dimag...which i presume is the shortfall of the script in not thinking out creative ways in which the hero and villain can be thwarted until showdown...

      and we have all agreed ASR is the ultimate hero with flaws galore.....the things that save him are his noble intentions and should i add his attitude and good lucks thrown in gud measure......otherwise pitne se nahin rok pate....

      Somehow all these are leading upto the "i made some wrong decisions in haste" realisation ......

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  22. Hey everyone,

    My system tapkofied will join you all as soon as I can:)

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  23. Rekha,
    LOL - looks like BitwA's jump to conclusions is contagious- woh aadhi baat sunke MU karta hai (tha hopefully)
    Aap aadha naam padhke :)
    Just kidding - this is the second time someone mistook it for Su - so adding another sri to the name to reduce confusion ..,
    Playing fair is not a strong suit of either ASR or Anji - i do not believe Anji is dumb , she is just at cross purposes with ASR ..like i' w said before - she has the highgrpund you trust khusi i trust shyam - let the mindgames begin between the two

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    1. Hey sri...how i wish the CVs went that way....the mindgames way...there would be some real drama not the drama that we have on screen now.....but these guys are chicken...

      Dia and I and many others too were on to that track before the "I love Khushi and I love u Di" confession of Arnav....after that....i am convinced.....there will not be that track...now it will be Durga when all hell breaks loose.....i hope they don't mke it so predictable....i have hopes with this PH.....lets see....

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